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Have you ever had a question about what would have happened if history had gone a different way? Ever wonder if a historical event had gone differently? Here's the place to ask!

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(Extremely unrealistic) What would happen if Mussolini was competent at literally anything?

Like i get this is for actually historically physically plausible scenarios but still

Obv OTL Mussolini was basically a dimwitted shouting thug who rallied a couple other thugs to bully and intimidate his way into power via the march on rome and then proceeded to screw everything up,and now whenever he is mentioned in a ww2 documentary its just him pulling weird faces and funny mocking music playing in the background

But what if,by some chance it somehow managed to happen,that Mussolini actually knew what the hell he was doing for half a milisecond? What would change?

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2025/01/31
20:14 UTC

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What if I could go back in time

What if I could go back in time and had brought gold, silver, jewels, etc with me. Even though no one would know me wherever I located to, would having “riches” protect me from any local harassment or suspicions? Just viewed as a weirdo foreigner. Or would I be viewed as a witch and possibly targeted, whether by the town or by the nobility? Does riches protect you?

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2025/01/31
20:10 UTC

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What if Lincoln was assassinated in 1864?

Lincoln had seen John Wilkes Booth perform at Ford's Theater prior, on November 9th 1864. Booth ignored an invitation to visit the president between acts.

What if Booth had been armed, accepted the invitation, and shot him then?

6 Comments
2025/01/31
17:01 UTC

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What if the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was worse?

There were three aircraft carriers ordinarily stationed at Pearl Harbor that weren't attacked because they were out at sea.

Other important facilities at Pearl Harbor such as Naval repair facilities and fuel storage weren't hit.

What if they had destroyed all of that?

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2025/01/31
15:17 UTC

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What if Hitler was an officer in ww1?

What if Hitler was an officer in ww1 and he went to officer cadet sch and receive a proper officer training in the traditional prussian way?

He would get to learn about battlefield tatics, strategy etc.

Even if he were to only remain as a junior officer in the military, when he became a furher later in his life, with all these officer training he wouldnt have made the mistakes he did as in our timeline that cause the german army dearly. That means no diaster at stalingrad, no battle of kursk. And of course, no 'stand fast, hold your ground, fight to the last men/bullet' order.

Instead hitler as furher and commander in cheif would know how to think flexibly and it will be much much harder for the allies and soviets defeat the nazis, germany might have a better chance to win the war.

My point is that to command the german army effectively as furher, and commander in chief and not make those mistakes hitler did as in our timeline, u would have to be at least be an officer before in your career, even being a junior officer is better than corporal hitler.

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2025/01/31
11:25 UTC

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Could Germany have survived (economically) without war?

Knowing what we know now, and ignoring the particular psychologies of those involved (Hitler in particular) as well as potential future attacks (by the Soviets), could Nazi Germany have survived, economically, had it stopped to consolidate after Czechia became part of the Third Reich?

Let's give old Moustache McGenocide the benefit of the doubt and say he keeps stealing from the untermensch and, moreover, adds new peoples (like the Czechs) to that list as time goes on, thus allowing the complete replacement of Czechia with "Aryan" Germans.

In time, most Eastern European powers would drift toward Fascist ideology (the alternative being Socialist) and Germany could even assist Italian adventures in Greece (which would probably fail thanks to an allies that are both wanting to stem the growth of Fascism and willing to get involved, unlike in Spain). France would potentially fall to Socialism, which immediately returns British attention to the dangers of that ideology, giving Germany yet more breathing room.

Ultimately, could Germany have successfully fixed its economy under such circumstances?

11 Comments
2025/01/31
11:04 UTC

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What if the Founding Fathers never implemented the Electoral College?

Say at some point, they changed their mind on creating and adopting the Electoral College during the 1787 Constitutional Convention. What will the outcome be from this and will we have more major political parties because of this?

6 Comments
2025/01/31
06:01 UTC

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What is Germany didn’t attack the USSR in WWII and went for Turkey instead for its resources?

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2025/01/31
00:24 UTC

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What if Britains and France stood up to Hitler sooner?

Was the attack on Poland the optimal time to intervene?

With 20/20 hindsight would it have been better to try and defend Czechoslovakia?

20 Comments
2025/01/30
20:53 UTC

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What if italy joined The Central Powers and lost?, what would the peace deal look like?

Italy in our timeline joined ww1 in the side of The Entente and won, and i have seen many alternate timelines like them losing ww1 with The Entente and Italy joining The Central Powers and winning, but i have never seen a timeline where they joined ww1 on the side of The Central Powers and lost, so i ask you people, what would have happend if they lost alongside The Central Powers and what consequences would have fallen on the italian nation?.

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2025/01/30
20:49 UTC

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What if Orland Steen Loomis lived to serve as Governor of Wisconsin?

In OTL, Orland Steen Loomis of the Wisconsin Progressive Party won the 1942 Gubernatorial Election, but died of a sudden heart attack about a month before he was to be inaugurated. He was succeeded by Republican Lt. Governor-Elect Walter Goodland.

What would have been the ramifications of a Loomis administration? Would he have seeked reelection in 1944? Would he have had a shot at a second term?

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2025/01/30
15:55 UTC

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In the final days of WWII, Germany gets modern day vehicles and aircrafts

In the last days of the Battle of Berlin, Germany receives 20 Leopard tanks, 8 Eurocopter Tiger and 6 Eurofighter jets. All operators of those vehicles and aircrafts are 21th century nazi sympathizers. How will the battle go for the Germans against overwhelming numbers from the Soviets and Allied forces with these new weapons?

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2025/01/30
12:37 UTC

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What if British Retain Heligoland?

1890, the British made the worst geopolitical mistake and handed over a very small island known as Heligoland(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heligoland?wprov=sfla1 ) to Germany.

The island lies in the North Sea 69 kilometers from Germany and was a route under British rule between 1808 and 1890. And in 1890, Great Britain got Zanzibar and Wituland(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wituland?wprov=sfla1 ) , Germany got Heligoland which the British surrendered in 1890.

For now, the small island, barely 1.7 km in size, doesn't seem to matter, but it could help the British in World War I and the so-called blockade of Germany(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_Germany_%281914%E2%80%931919%29?wprov=sfla1) and North Sea Campagne (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_warfare_of_World_War_I?wprov=sfla1)

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2025/01/30
11:25 UTC

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What if the Japanese only attacked British and Dutch holdings in Asia?

Essentially just asking if it was possible for Japan to forgo capturing the Philippines and conducting the attack on Pearl Harbour. The obvious problem is they become substantially more vulnerable if America decides to declare war anyway, but would they have done so if not directly attacked? Additionally, would this affect the European theater substantially consider how the US entered the war? Would they delay their entry or would it not have occurred at all?

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2025/01/30
11:18 UTC

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What if the Greece and ANZAC troops were much stronger and more suppiled during the Battle of Greece in 1941

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2025/01/30
08:22 UTC

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What if the nazis decided to go for Moscow instead of Stalingrad in 1942?

What if the nazis decided to go for Moscow instead of Stalingrad in the summer offensive 1942?

The obvious choice would be to close the pocket around vzyma salient, trapping another 500000 soviet troops in the salient. The pocket near kharkov also gets crushed as in our timeline, netting the germans another 300000 soviet troops. The soviet defense around moscow gets torn open and the road to moscow lays open.

Army group center consisting of the 9th army, 2nd and 3rd panzer army approaches moscow from the north, forming a northern pincer around the city, while army group south consisting of the sixth army and 4th panzer army approach moscow from the south, with their start point at kharkov, they swing north towards moscow, the two army groups then met east of moscow, closing the pincer in and around moscow trapping yet another 700000 soviet troops in moscow.

Winter is soon arriving, the germans have already surroundered and trapped most of the soviets inside moscow. All they have to do is to clear out the pocket, which they spend the rest of the year doing so. Soviet counter attacks are weak and futile. Also the 17th army having captured the crimea now arrives as reinforcemnts to help clear the moscow pocket. Bloody street fighting in moscow takes place (but not as bloody as the one in stalingrad in our timeline). After 3 months of intense street fighting,the soviets having been surrounded at their captial, and being cut off from their supplies, finally surrendered.The germans finally captured moscow and planted the swastika in the kremlin.

Stalin barely escape the city in his undergrond train as the germans surround the capital but even he could do little to save the captial. The german frontline then pushed 100km east of moscow. But now having taken moscow, they could set up winter defensive position and fend off the weak and feeble soviet counter-attacks for the rest of 1942.

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2025/01/30
05:33 UTC

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What if John C. Calhoun had become president?

Andrew Jackson had a bout of serious illness early on in his presidency, when Calhoun was still Vice President.

What if Jackson dies and Calhoun is sworn in?

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2025/01/30
05:14 UTC

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What if James Madison had died when the British attacked the White House in the war of 1812?

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2025/01/30
05:04 UTC

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What if the Knights Templar had declared war against the Kingdom of France in response to King Philip IV's arrest of Grand Master Jacques de Molay?

The Persecution of the Knights Templar was an event that happened in the Kingdom of France under King Philip IV, since he was deeply in debt to the Templars for his wars against Britain. He ordered the arrest of all the Templars in France, including their Grand Master, Jacques de Molay. The French Courts accused the Templars of heresy, idolatry, sodomy, and being secretly Muslim. Most Templars were burned at the stake and became extinct in France. However, what if things were different and the leaders of the Knights Templar immediately declared war against the Kingdom of France in response to the arrest of Grand Master Jacques de Molay? How would the Knights Templar fair against King Philip IV's Army?

Scenario 1: The Knights Templar simply wants to break Grand Master Jacques de Molay out of Prison, fight their way out of France, and escape into the Papal States, where they'll be safe.

Scenario: The Knights Templar want to overthrow the Kingdom of France and create a Theocratic State, not too different from the State of the Teutonic Order, headed by Grand Master Jacques de Molay.

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2025/01/30
01:06 UTC

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What if the second amendment of the US constitution had never existed?

Would the British have tried to retake the United States? Would the United States become a constitutional monarchy?

14 Comments
2025/01/29
22:08 UTC

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What if in the aftermath of 9/11, the US dropped an atomic bomb on Kabul and called it a day?

Maybe a few so literally no building in the city or outskirts is left standing and no one within left alive.

And the US says, "Alright Taliban or whoever wants to run that joint. Good luck with all that "

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2025/01/29
21:02 UTC

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Did the USA “Allow” the World to Be Democratic, or Would Hitler Have Taken Over Everything If He Won?

I’ve always wondered , since the Allies won WWII, the USA had the power to shape the post-war world. They encouraged democracy in some places but conveniently ignored it where it didn’t serve their interests. But what if things had gone differently?

If Hitler had won, could the Nazis have taken over the entire world, including British colonies and Asian countries like China and India? Did they even have the manpower and resources to pull that off? Would Nazism have spread beyond Europe, or would Japan have taken control of Asia while Germany focused on its own empire?

And that brings me to the bigger question: Is the world really democratic because the USA “allowed” it to be? After WWII, Western Europe and Japan got democracy, but other parts of the world weren’t so lucky. The US had no problem supporting dictatorships when democracy wasn’t convenient for them. They backed coups, propped up oppressive regimes, and only promoted "freedom" when it aligned with their interests.

And if the Axis had won, what would have happened to Africa, India, and the rest of Asia? Would Hitler have tried to exterminate non-European races, or would he have just let Japan rule them? The Nazis considered many non-white races as "inferior," but would they have had the resources to carry out mass exterminations outside Europe? Or would they have been too focused on holding onto power in their own empire?

So was the post-war world truly a victory for democracy, or just a shift from one form of control to another?

6 Comments
2025/01/29
18:06 UTC

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What if hitler died in 1939 just before the outbreak of ww2?

What if hitler died in 1939 just before his invasion of poland and the outbreak of ww2?

And gobbels became the furher of germany. How would things turn out? Will there still be a second world war.

Also i read somewhere that if hitler died in 1939, he will be remembered as the greatest statemen in history.

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2025/01/29
17:14 UTC

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What If Nazi Germany Deployed Chemical Weapons?

I read recently in my studies on chemical warfare that Hitler stockpiled and produced over 10 tons of sarin, tabun and soman during WW2. What if in a desperate attempt towards his downfall, he ordered these munitions to be used? Could it have aided them more than harm?

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2025/01/29
13:25 UTC

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A WORLD FOREVER DIVIDED: What if the Cold War Never Ended?

An alternate history where the Cold War never ended.

We all know how significant the Cold War was in shaping modern geopolitics, but have you ever wondered what the world would look like if tensions had remained high between the US and the USSR? 🤔

What are the potential consequences of a continued Cold War ?— from global military dynamics, economic systems, and technological race to the social and cultural implications. Could we have seen a world where the space race never ended? What would have happened to global peace? And how would this alternate reality shape our view of the present?

I’ve packed the video with research, theories, and visuals to present an in-depth yet engaging analysis, presented in a documentary style. If you love history, alternate timelines, or geopolitics, I think you'll really enjoy this dive. 🎥

Check it out here: [**https://youtu.be/TMqIR3u2yXo**\]

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on what you think would have happened if the Cold War never ended. Any additional theories or ideas are welcome! Let’s discuss!

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2025/01/29
08:13 UTC

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What if Warsaw pact invasion of Czechoslovakia cause guarrila war or low Low-intensity warfare

The invasion of Czechoslovakia took place between August 20 and 21 with the aim of disrupting the reforms of Dubček who wanted to liberalize the country and get a better economic position.

In principle, the invasion was non-violent as both sides prevented the scenario of the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 where 3,000 people died and the Soviets were somewhat successful as later Czechoslovakia did not try to change the directive and harm the Soviet influence similarly to the Czechoslovak people. But in this scenario it will be different.

In this scenario the post-invasion becomes a rather brutal affair as there will be strikes and protests which the Soviets will try to suppress. Then there will be organized attacks by Czechoslovak anti-Soviet groups on Soviet soldiers, political, diplomatic and security representatives and so-called raids and escape campaigns against the Soviets and later also the Czechoslovak army which cooperates with the Soviets.

How will this change the history of Czechoslovakia? How will the war go? How will the Soviet Union? Will the West help anti-Soviet groups? What will be the new relationship between the Soviet Union and the West?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact_invasion_of_Czechoslovakia?wprov=sfla1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Spring?wprov=sfla1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_%28Czechoslovakia%29?wprov=sfla1

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2025/01/29
07:21 UTC

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What if the Lancasters fight longer

How different would the Wars of the Roses be if the Yorkists had won at Losecoat Field but the Lancastrians won at Tewkesbury?

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2025/01/29
03:17 UTC

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What if the coffee bean was never discovered?

Aside from life being pure hell.

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2025/01/28
23:56 UTC

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What if Ron Paul had somehow won the 2012 Presidential Election?

You might see echoes of today in very unconventional cabinet picks and heavy-handed attempts to get rid of bureaucracy. On the other hand, Paul seems like a very pleasant guy and doesn't care that much about immigration or cultural issues.

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2025/01/28
22:56 UTC

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Would you choose current timeline, or timeline where Stalin became good person and would not sacrifice millions of Soviet people in fights vs nazi?

Stalins trolley problem.

9 Comments
2025/01/28
08:16 UTC

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