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I know that the Doctor has a really high kill count, but I wonder what the kill count of each individual Doctor is and which one has the highest (probably War or 11) and which one has the lowest (probaby 14 or 15).
So, what is the kill count of each individual Doctor?
I'm trying to do a character study on him and I'm not quite sure where to start
Im in the minority in that I think The Deadly Assassin (TDA) is bad. Most of it is the Dr running around nightmere land with some surealist elements. The Time Lords are all made into idiots. George Pravda can't act. Is it meant to be a surpise that Goth is the baddie? Cause that disgise is paper thin.
But other than the rule of 12 the biggest impact it had was with the Master. It killed him. The Delgado Master and all subsequent versions are not the same character. And every single master episode after this is based off Peter Pratt. Same way that Davros's character would be based off the destiny version not the genisis version. But not to the same extent.
What can I say the Master has gone from being a gentelman baddie like Morriarty or Dr No to being Dick Dastardly.
"You dr so insufferably (snarling noise) good, so insufferably (snarlying noise) compassionate"
"Hate (chuckles gleefully) hate is strength"
"This accursed planet"
Thats how good villians with depth talk like right? Like remember in Shawshank Redemption when the warden spits when he says the word "charity"? Like Cobra Commando.
Please please explian to me why Anthney Ainley is "crap" but Peter Pratt is "good"? They are both written and act like the baddie in a Crash Babdicoot game. I know why, its cause Pratt was pre 1978 so therefore can do know wrong. While Ainley was JNT so is instagarbage.
Ok not every fan thinks that, but certinly the 60s and 70s get away with stuff that if the 80s 2000s 10s and 20s did would be toren to shreads for. Like revenge of the cybermen gets more leeway cause 70s, when its clearly worse than Sliver Nemisis or Nightmere in Sliver. But Ill save that rant for another time.
The master is meant to be a dark version of the dr right? So that works with Delgado. In what way is Ainely like Davison C Baker or McCoy? How is Roberts like McGann. Ill give you Simm is like Tennant but Gomez is nothing like Capaldi (baring the Romantic surnames) and Dawan is nothing like Whiterker.
Look Delgado wasnt the deepest villian, but he was threating charming menacing even funny at times. The other Masters are just cardboard, directionless. In fact ironically TDA dose give the master a goal of wanting to survive past his natural life, a common motovation for DW villians. But after Logopolis the Master's goal is...? No one seems to know.
I challenge you imagine Delgado in any other the other Master episodes. One of the few were i can see it is the five doctors. Where he is written by a Pertwee era writer. Ie someone who gets the character is more than just "bhwahahahaha blow up the orphange, kick that old lady to death bwahahahaha". Hes just so Flanderised.
At least the Rani comes with themes of animal testing or could be a Josef Mengele or Madem La Laurie figure. Ie themes substance. The post Pertwee master has none of that.
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I said it about Paradise Towers, but it arguably applies even more here: Delta and the Bannermen works primarily based on vibes, rather than anything substantial. This means that Delta and the Bannermen is probably one of the best examples of a Doctor Who comfort food story.
After a scene on the Chimeron home planet and in an intergalactic car park, the meat of this story takes place in 1959 rural Wales. And the whole thing has the very sleepy small-town feeling, contrasting against a backdrop of intergalactic conflict and genocide. It's a weird combination but it works. Unlike Paradise Towers I can't honestly say there's even an attempt at dealing with any bigger ideas – none of Andrew Cartmel's ambitions of a more political Doctor Who are coming through here. In spite of theoretically heavy subject matter, Delta and the Bannermen is a relaxed story. Its two cliffhangers can hardly be called as such – they're sort of mid in terms of their levels of danger and are resolved without much fuss.
And it kind of works. This is a strange story to talk about, because there's not a whole lot going on here, it's just this consistently enjoyable experience. The plot is theoretically about Delta, the Chimeron Queen, last of her kind, escaping on a tour bus that arrives on Earth to have her baby and hopefully save her species. What this story is really about is Shangri-La, the small Welsh camping ground where that inter-galactic tour bus lands, and the people who live and work there. It's about Billy, Shangri-La's mechanic and amateur rock and roll singer, who falls in love with Delta and her child, and goes off to live with them. It's about Ray, the girl with a crush on Billy, who loves motorcycles and is no slouch as a mechanic herself, realizing that Billy will never love her back, and coming to terms with that. It's about Weismuller and Hawk, two bumbling American agents (of what agency? I have no clue) in Wales who are trying to track a missing satellite that America just tried to put up, and being charmingly bad at that job.
And even saying that Bannermen is about those things feels off somehow. Like, none of these characters really react to the existence of aliens. It's not that any of them believe in aliens before the events of this story, but rather, once they're convinced, it doesn't seem to materially affect them in any way. This is taken to extremes with Goronwy, a beekeeper who seems to know more than he lets on. He doesn't by the way, he's just a beekeper with kind of an odd attitude towards life. Because the Chimeron society is kind of like a bee colony, there are certain things that he does have a special insight into, but in reality he's just a beekeeper.
And that sort of perfectly describes the vibe that this story exists in. There are moments of high tension and drama, hell the story opens up with a very intense battle scene showing Delta escaping as the rest of the Chimeron die to protect her. Gavrock, leader of the Bannermen comes off as a standard issue evil military type, but hey, it works for what's it's trying to do. It's not that the story never goes to a very serious tone. But that Welsh pastoral quality kind of dominates the whole thing.
The character in the secondary cast who gets the most focus is undoubtedly Ray, and there's a reason for that: it was seriously considered that she'd be the next companion. In fact, there was a strong consideration that Delta and the Bannermen would air last in the season, in order to write of Mel and introduce Ray as the new companion. However, the production team preferred the potential companion from that story, Ace, and so Ray as companion remains as a "what if".
As you might expect, the fingerprints of a character who was thought could become a new companion are all over Ray's writing in Bannermen. She is in many ways the main character of Bannermen. While Delta and Billy's romance arguably has more plot importance, it's Ray's crush on Billy that the story is really interested in establishing. And because the whole thing is building up to Billy getting together with Delta, that means that things are naturally going to end with Ray being disappointed she couldn't get together with Billy. But while it's sad for Ray, I kind of like how this all turns out, even without Ray getting to travel in the TARDIS. There's a kind of maturity in an ending that doesn't put the idealistic and starry-eyed heroine together with the handsome local rockstar (okay, even with the qualifier "local", rockstar might just be pushing it). Billy and Ray were friends growing up. That doesn't mean he's going to want her.
And meanwhile, Ray is just a delightful presence. Admittedly, outside of her crush on Billy, not a lot of her character gets revealed. Even stuff that seems like it might be a bit more about her than Billy, turn out to be related to that. Her interest in mechanics, bikes, even rock and roll to some extent are all attributed to her wanting to get closer or growing up with Billy. The way I wrote that makes it sound like she's either a stalker or really pathetic, but honestly it doesn't play quite that way. The read I get on it, is that Ray just ends up hanging around Billy so much she picks up a lot of his interests. I'll admit, I do wish that Ray was a bit more independent than she was portrayed, but it does still play that she genuinely likes bikes and is genuinely a very capable mechanic. And Sara Griffiths gives her a really good performance that makes the character come alive. Which is just as well because, as stated before, we spend a lot of time with her.
A lot more than our romantic leads, Delta and Billy. In a different story, I might use this space to complain how rushed their romance feels, as, while they do get a nice little picnic scene and a motorcycle ride through the country, given that Billy ends up genetically altering himself to be more like a Chimeron and leaving Earth by the end of the story, you could definitely argue they needed more time together to really sell the romance. But because the story focuses more on Ray, their romance kind of happening off screen actually weirdly works in its favor. What we're seeing isn't Billy and Delta falling in love, it's Ray losing Billy (not that she really ever had him). You see her disappointment every time the lead couple are together. It helps that Billy and Delta are both charming enough characters, and David Kinder and Belinda Mayne have some solid on-screen chemistry.
Delta's story is a bit involved mind you. She's the last surviving Chimeron, as in the opening scene we see the Bannermen killing off all the remaining Chimeron who are sacrificing themselves so that Delta can escape. And because the Chimeron society seems to work a bit like a beehive, she actually stands a chance at keeping her species going…if she can protect herself and her daughter. The Bannermen, for what reason it's unclear, have decided that genocide is a necessity, and so we have our conflict. Delta is, more than anything else, a character trapped. All she's trying to do is survive, and keep her daughter safe. Throughout the story, you really do find yourself feeling for Delta, which ultimately makes her a positive presence.
Our villains for this story are the pretty unremarkable Bannermen led by Gavrok. There's really not a ton to say about these guys, they're standard issue military villains. Apparently in the original script their backstory was a bit more fleshed-out, as they were meant to be from a world that they had overpolluted to the point of inhabitability, motivating their invasion of the Chimeron's world. I'm not exactly sure why that would lead to them going on a genocidal campaign against the Chimeron Queen, since the first episode opens with the Bannermen kicking her off of her own planet after killing all the other Chimeron. Maybe he's worried about the story getting out and getting him in more trouble? Regardless, this information is left out of the story, and while I do think it's probably better off for not having what would have likely been a pretty tacked-on environmental message, it would be nice to get some sense of what's motivating the Bannermen's pretty extreme methods.
I will say that Don Henderson gives a surprisingly strong performance as Gavrok. He was apparently very enthusiastic about doing Doctor Who, and even suggested that the Bannermen have purple tongues, which was implemented. As for his performance, there's no particular thing that makes it special, he's just pretty menacing and a fun presence on screen. Gavrok himself is as bland as the Bannermen he leads, but is elevated thanks to Henderson's performance.
The Doctor does get a little bit more interesting material than he got in his first two stories. We're starting to see tiny hints of the characterization that will define the 7th Doctor in popular consciousness. He's not manipulative or even particularly strategic in this story (at one point his plan consists of show up, yell at the villains, and then get away with the hostages before someone stops to think "hey can't we just shoot this guy?" and it works). What we do see is a Doctor who knows more than he's letting on. He seems to know about the Chimeron Queen's escape going into the story, although whether he intentionally got himself and Mel caught up in the events of the story, or just happened to be aware of Delta's history is unclear. And we do see the Doctor play things a bit closer to the chest than he did in previous stories. Also, his friendship with Ray was fun, they would have made a good Doctor/companion duo.
And as for Mel…I guess she buddies up to Delta pretty effectively? Actually, her sheer enthusiasm for going to a classic rock and roll period of Earth could have been fun, but ends up being a bit too much, just kind of cringeworthy. And that's all I got, kind of a nothing story for a character who's had a lot of those.
But like I said, Delta and the Bannermen is kind of a nothing story…it's just got this vibe to it that makes it weirdly enjoyable. There's really not much going on here, but it's just a fun time, and a pretty easy watch. And that's kind of all there is to it. And you know what? It's been a while since we've had a good comfort food story, so I'll take it.
Score: 7/10
Next Time: The Doctor runs into an old friend. Well I say "friend". More accurately, he runs into a con artist who worked for the Master one time.
What are your favorite responses to “it’s bigger on the inside?” Mine is from the Christmas Carol episode: “Yeah the color really knocks the walls back.”
Started with the 2005 remake and I'm loving it so far, can't wait to get to david tennet since I saw the clips of him, he's what sold me on watching the show, but after the episode "dalek" I realized it's connected, so how much do I need to know? Does the original series cover anything important about the time war etc etc, or will everything be explained eventually?
Does anyone have any update on the Sylvester doc that was announced to be in post-production about a year ago? I think it was going to be called Who’s the Real McCoy. I haven’t seen any updates on it and was wondering if anyone knew anything.
Are there stories featuring giant monsters? Specifically, are there stories where the monster is a physical threat and is active for most of the story?
The Beast the 10th Doctor fought was in chains (Toby/Ood were the main threat). The moon egg was...an egg. It did hatch but that was at the end. I guess the giant robot factory cyberman kind of counts and so does the Robot from the Fourth Doctor story.
But are there comics/ audios/ novels that don't get limited by the TV budget?
Sontarons are usually treated as clowns. Semi joke villians. Or pound shop Daleks and Cybermen. But Sontarons could be intersting, if they had a code of honour. Like the Samuaria or Spartans or the Klingons from Star Trek.
So rather than being one dimensional "destroy destroy" bad bads. They could have values and belifes different from ours, backwards or even retrograde to us. But they would be intersting. Instead of being comedy versions of Daleks and Cybermen.
Just watched “Invasion of the Dinosaurs” (3rd Doctor and Sarah Jane story) for the first time now that they’re uploading a bunch of classic episodes to YouTube and was shocked by how great it is. Yes, the dinosaur effects are as bad as people say and action scenes involving them are the weakest part of the story. However, that’s actually a pretty minor part of the serial! Some elements that seem to have fallen out of the public consciousness:
• The Doctor and Sarah arriving midway through a catastrophe and having to navigate London under military takeover to return to UNIT
• Some incredibly strong characterization and interpersonal conflict between 3, Sarah, the Brig, Mike Yates and Benton
• Political commentary about an idealized “Golden Age” and corruption in the government/military
• A truly beautiful mind-f*ck of a cliffhanger halfway through that recontextualizes the whole story and adds a great new time-travel idea to the universe
It’s ambitious and compelling with a great handle on its characters and ideas. One of the only Classic Who stories I happily binged in one sitting. I can’t believe I hadn’t heard much praise for it before!
Now I just want to know if there are any other brilliant classic stories I’ve missed out on. Not the famous all-timers like “Genesis of the Daleks” or “Caves of Androzani”, but ones that seem mostly forgotten. What are your favorite deep cuts?
TL;DR “Invasion of the Dinosaurs” is great despite the fandom only remembering its worst aspect. What other obscure classic stories are your favorites?
By which I mean stuff like how in the old Star Wars EU prequel-era Obi-Wan had several love affairs with different women seemingly because different writers wanted to write the idea of Obi-Wan having a fling and didn't coordinate with each other and it led to something really dumb. Doctor Who's timey-wimey nature means that stuff like this is much easier to ignore, but putting that aside, what's some stuff you've read (or found in passing on the Tardis Wiki) that made you go wtf?
For me, this thing I found out about last night when looking stuff up about Torchwood made me audibly go "You cannot be serious".
In my ever-growing Doctor Who video and audio collection, I've gathered over fifteen hundred individual stories, and I'm attempting to (briefly) review them all in the order in which they might have happened according to the Doctor's own personal timeline. We'll see how far I get.
Today's Story: Lost in the Wakefield Triangle, written by Vin Marsden Hendrick
What is it?: This is the third story in Big Finish’s anthology Short Trips - Volume IV.
Who's Who: The story is narrated by Katy Manning.
Doctor(s) and Companion(s): The Third Doctor, Jo Grant
Recurring Characters: None
Running Time: 00:16:35
One Minute Review: The Doctor and Jo are visiting Forest Farm in West Yorkshire with the intention of buying some rhubarb. As it happens, the residents were already expecting a doctor, albeit one of the medical variety. One of the farm's employees had been found that morning in the forcing shed, unconscious and feverish. The Doctor surmises that the man is suffering from acute oxalic acid poisoning, but this isn’t merely a case of overexposure to rhubarb leaves; something alien has claimed the shed as its own.
Forcing sheds are inherently creepy places—illuminated only by candlelight and filled with the groaning sounds of sun-starved plants. The first four and a half minutes of this Short Trip take full advantage of this setting, placing the listener in the shoes of the unfortunate farmhand who falls victim to the rhubarb. The rest of its runtime isn't as compelling, and Jo is absent for most of it, apparently having gotten lost on her way to the shed. However, the resolution to the conflict is entertaining enough. An odd detail is that the comatose worker was discovered when someone heard his phone ring, which is the only indication that this story doesn't take place in the 1970s. Did the Doctor hop forward several decades in time just to buy the ingredients for his Rhubarb Charlotte?
The same trio responsible for bringing "Pop-Up" to life is back for this installment. Katy Manning's narration never disappoints, though I cannot comment on the authenticity of her West Yorkshire accent. Meanwhile, Daniel Brett and Martin Montague do a fine job with the music and effects, both here and throughout this and the previous volume.
Score: 3/5
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basically, as the title says. i heard that some novelisations of the 7th Doctor’s TV stories introduce characters or lingering plot threads that the VNAs build on.
which novelisations, if any, are recommended to read before the VNAs? or will i be fine just having seen the TV episodes?
I am mostly interested in 8, War and 9.
What audio books of 8 would I need to listen to, to get the full story from the TV movie to the Night of the Doctor?
What audio books of the War Doctor would I need to listen to, to get the full story from Night of the Doctor to Day of the Doctor?
Lastly, what audio books of 9 would I need to listen to listen to, to get the full story from Day of the Doctor to Rose?
So a few days ago I read a book called 'The Soft Machine' and I quickly noticed a similarity between it and The Silence plotline.
So in The Soft Machine there's a chapter where the main character is sent back in time to the Mayan Classical Period in the body of a Mayan. While there, he falls immediately under the control of the Mayan priests who operate something called The Control Machine which allows them to control the minds of the Mayans.
TL;DR, it ends with the main character inserting a message into the Control Machine: "Smash the control images. Smash the control machine. Burn the books! Kill the Priests! Kill! Kill! Kill!" which leads to the Mayans rising up to kill he priests and end their control.
Now, isn't this a lot like the ending of the silence plotline? Both feature a religious order secretly controlling everything, both are beaten with the main character splicing a message into the minds of the world to kill the priests... Coincidence? Or could they have been inspired by this book?
Something I’ve never understood / worked out. In Journeys End (or maybe even in The Stolen Earth) Dalek Caan states that he teleported into the Time War and rescued Davros. This subsequently allowed them to build their new empire.
But why would Caan do this if his eyes had already been opened regarding the horror of the Daleks? If he was plotting their demise, why help them out in the first place??
I was watching The Great and saw my boy Adam Godley as the Archbishop, and thought he would make a great Master. Thoughts? Or who else from The Great would be good in Doctor Who?
I've just read the latest Neil Gaiman article. It's truly abhorrent.
What are the chances that the BBC might take action to remove his episodes from iPlayer due to this?
Hi all! For the last few months, I've been working on creating the most complete watch order of the entire show, from 1963 to the present day. I've included every spinoff, minisode, bonus feature, and other tidbits, with the exception of anything behind-the-scenes, so nothing like DW Confidential, and no Big Finish, novels, or etc. This is JUST the TV series, and any related extras. The wilderness years section in particular is pretty bare. If you notice anything missing, please let me know in the comments! I want this to serve as a living resource for anybody.
What are some of your favorite emotional moments in the show where the Doctor really shows his age? Also, who do you think plays the “sad old man” best?
I’ve always wondered this. Obviously many Time Lords choose to go by titles and hide their true names (The Doctor, The Master, The Monk, The Rani, etc.) but some of them go by an actual name as opposed to a title (Rassilon, Romana, Susan) so I was just wondering, is there a canonical reason for some Time Lords choosing a title? I haven’t seen that much of classic Who but in the revival there’s never really been a clear explanation for this.
First question is sorta just the title how was the time war actually fought because I’ve listened to the big finish John Hurt War Doctor range and it sorta just seemed like a traditional war with battles? Also any recommendations big finish or other media for time war stuff are very welcome
Doctor Who on the surface has always been one of those shows that has been quite drama free, so I was just wondering whether anyone has any behind the scenes gossip they've heard about in person or online?
This is rather common knowledge but my mate got talking to someone at one of the comic con's who had a behind the scenes role for series 1 and 2, and he went in to a good amount of detail about why Eccleston left during s1 - (pretty sure everyone knows this already) but apparently series 1 was a very badly run production - they were almost always behind schedule, major issues with directors, stunts were being performed that were way too dangerous, heavy rewrites were happening on set, and a lot of footage was being deemed "unusable" - apparently Piper didn't care as much as it was one of her first productions so she didn't know much different, but as everyone knows since Eccleston was a much more seasoned actor, he was incredibly unhappy with how the show was being run.
But the sad thing is, according to this person my mate was talking to, Eccleston still did genuinely enjoy doing the show regardless of the production issues, his main issues came from RTD, Julie Gardner and Phil Collinson. Whilst they weren't directly involved in some of the issues, for Eccleston their inability to take any responsibility, sweep everything under the rug, and back each other up as if they were in some sort of clique was the big issue - and it wasn't just Eccleston who wasn't having a great time - some of the production staff who had smaller roles also felt that RTD, Gardner, and Collinson were all in over their heads and the show lacked a true sense of authority who knew what they were actually doing.
But it was mainly RTD, Julie Gardner's and Phil Collinson's reaction to his criticism and the show's issues that led Eccleston to leaving. He understood that they were probably struggling a bit with it being their first major series and he was apparently very sympathetic and understanding of that, what forced him to leave was the arrogance, their lack of accountability, and the decision not to do anything about the issues at the time.
Things did improve vastly for series 2 though after a few warnings and help from the BBC, but by that time Eccleston had unfortunately lost all respect for RTD, Gardner, and Collinson, so the damage was done.
The guy my mate was talking to how he does unfortunately still hear some not so great stories today - not as bad as the s1 stuff, but just how some lower production staff do feel as if Doctor Who is still being run by a bit of a clique (RTD, Gardener, and Collinson at the centre) where RTD has essentially surrounded himself with yes-men.
But hey, I'm pretty sure that stuff is already widely known - does anyone else have any behind the scenes gossip they could share?
I also heard about something going on during the set of The Caretaker between Capaldi and Gareth Roberts…
Hi everyone,
I saw there are lots of Doctor Who comics, but not all of them are publicated in Italy (and translated).
After many hours spent searching on the internet I found a complete list of Titan Comics Doctor Who volumes (here it is, if you need), unfortunately there are no informations about which of them are translated, when and in which lenguage.
Is there eny list of the italian translated comics, so that a fan can understand what he/she can buy and what he/she will never find.
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Originally I stopped on capaldi I loved the actor hated the doctor same for jodie but on rewatch I actually love them now but the current guy just doesn't do it. It took time for me to like jodie and even longer for me to go back to capaldi (couldn't handle the s7 and s8a the writing was kinda all over the place).
Capaldis mad doctor through me to much and being cuckoo er and clara love the character but the early writing with her was not great However the acting stood out amazingly.
Jodie look she had an uphill battle on day one but she reminded me of eccleston a little more. I did hate how the doctor for an entire season was just being thrown left right and back making her actually come off as the idiot of the group but regardless of how you feel of the lore change or additions she did a good job telling the story again regardless or timeless child and other stories. She takes getting used to and to be fair the only thing that really stood out in her run was the spy master which I hated how they just yeeted Missy out of existence but he really stood out and was just fantastic.
But the new guy I can't seem to figure out why it's not hate it's just I can't seem to get behind him. Jodie and capaldi yeah I hated them at first but I found enough redeeming qualities this time I'm struggling to why is this. Am I missing something to explain why they seem to be ignoring that it's a brittsh show and barely watch British.
Is joy to the world at least better seeing as specials are where it's at in doctor who.
Edit I probably used hate to loosely more strong dislike.