Christian Heaven is scary... (And don't just tell me that it isn't real or that there's no proof that it exists....). It is endless praising, worshipping and servitude to God. The same God that came up with the system of eternal torment. All your friends, family members and the people you care about who never believed in the gospels will be tortured for eternity in hell, while God brainwashes you in Heaven to be stuck in a permanent state of joy in spite of that happening.

There won't be any pleasures to enjoy for ourselves (no movies, TV Shows, comedies, cars, jazz music, techno, hip hop, rap, no cars, no imagination and drawing, etc.). Heaven is seriously dull. It is nothing but an everlasting worship service at this point... One of the worst parts about Christian Heaven is there will be no marriage, no relationships, no ties we will have with people, except God!

The Bible even talks about everyone in heaven being God's bride in Ephesians 5:23 (AGAIN, CREEPY!!), which is honestly sad. All earthly relationships will be moot, and the worst part about this is that there will be no marriage, no romantic relationships, nobody we can truly connect to... it's so SAD!!!!! (Matt 22:30). Spending eternity in wo ship is both boring and creepy....

Real or not, Christian Heaven is a terrifying place, and its almost as bad as hell. We are being tortured for eternity in Heaven through eternally conditioned servitude to the supposed Creator of th Universe. Spending eternity in serving someone is honestly SO HORRIFIC!!! I can't even.... I desperately hope this place (as well as its alternative) are not real, but if they are and I'm wrong, then In screwed then 😢😭

Basically what the title says. I'm planning to limit contact with my parents soon. But as with most Christian parents, who think that your lack of belief is a "phase," they'll ignore it and pray over you. Y'know, say things like, "oh, you know your first love is Jesus, right?" (I was fucking 14; if anything that was "religious grooming" ffs). Or things like, "you are my sister in Christ before you're my daughter."

Christianity, gotta love it man. /s

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i can NOT read that so let me type it here!

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Dear (hypothetical) sister, I love you. I know you go to church and call yourself a Christian, but you don't understand the meaning of Christian. I was just like you, but then I saw what the Bible really says. God created Adam and Eve perfect. They only had one rule, which they broke. Because of the rule they broke, all of humanity became sinful. God sent Jesus to restore humanity after we became sinful. To become a Christian, you actually have to follow Christ. When I learned this, I accepted it immediately! (not in the actual assignment, but i wanna note that i accepted it crying in fear 2 years ago. i was literally only 13. why are we doing this to little children??) Will you accept it immediately? Will you admit that all have sinned and Jesus died for the sins of all, even you? Will you accept that God it your king and you need to trust in him to be saved? Will you renounce the things of this world and follow God? I urge you to start now.

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writing this assignment for bible class made me sick. i literally started going off about how cruel and stupid the gospel is, then i remembered i have to keep my good image for my bible teacher because i just love him and dont want to be a disappointment. so i'll do that part here!:3

but like - imagine a just god who doesnt punish children because of the parents punishing all of humanity for what the first people ever did🤡

"just accept that god is your king" had me terrified. i was an object for 2 years:/

jesus dying for us is such a gaslighting, emotional manipulation by holding some good deed over my head thing. did i ask for john to fucking die because ally ate something that she wasnt supposed to and *I* was supposed to suffer for it?

god shouldve made the forbidden fruit stinky. also, if they dont know what's good and what's evil (bc they havent eaten the fruit of knowledge of good and evil), how are they supposed to know that eating the fruit wouldve been evil??

i was so temped to write at the end "just so you know, if you don't, you'll have to eternally burn in the fires of hell! oooo~ spooky~" but it's an assignment

also im writing a gay wattpad story to recover from toxic homophobic ideologies spread in my church and school:3

Hi friends! Just a little anecdote that made me chuckle a big but also realize how far I'm come in healing (but, as always, still moving forward)

My city had a huge snowstorm last night. Not unseasonable, as we usually do in February, but almost double what we normally get. BF and I decided to go for a walk and admire the sunset at -2, and went to the cafe down the road for a cup of tea.

Two strangers sitting nearby strike up a conversation with me about the snow while partner goes to the bathroom. Pleasamt enough, until one of them says "beauty like this really makes you believe in god."

Then I glance at the table in front of them and see the bibles.

He then launches into how god creates beauty through weather to give us his blessings. I smile politely until he's done and my response is simply, "we'll have to agree to disagree on that point."

You could tell he was waiting to pounce. He raised his voice and said "You're don't believe in god?"

I didn't blink or drop his gaze. I said "I believe your journey has been different than mine and you are free to believe what you want and I am free to believe what I want. Right?"

Well that wasn't in his script. He stuttered slightly and went "Yeah" and then suddenly became very engrossed in his bible.

Once our tea was ready, I wished them of both a good evening and walked home through crunchy snow.

Check Rabbi Daniel Lapin's teachings on money, completely dispels all the Christian guilt about it without using any theocratic basis, just logic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2CVMXQGs64

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX5JYwn6lgw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed_hhvVuGXQ

I recently watched one of those "experienced hell" testimonies, and someone supposedly saw an 11-year-old girl there with Adolf Hitler. Are you fucking serious? A precious girl with Hitler in hell? If this is factual, which I hope it is not, that is just another reason I despise Christianity. Most pastors will go to hell for sinning, as even mentioned in the bible; it is a death cult. An 11-year-old cannot even discern full right from wrong if they haven't received the gospel; it is not just God who throws them to hell. FUCK THAT!

Aunt Dorothy said, "See you in hell," to those who have seen Krampus—my favorite quote.

It has taken a year to detox from this faith, and I am still deconstructing. My God is now Satan and has been met with oppression by ex-Christians saying I am swinging to the other extreme. I do not worship the evil Satan is portrayed by in the bible-I worship him as a liberator. I am now open-minded and not as closed-minded as I used to be. He is not evil-he is a liberator and a misunderstood deity.

Be sure to watch this video and let it strengthen and validate yourself into why, yet again, Christianity is a death cult.

The biggest contradiction in Christianity is this: God turned his back on his son on the cross and allowed him to get murdered, yet he mentions how evil murder is. He sent an evil spirit into King Saul and a death angel to murder tens of thousands of people overnight. He can do no wrong-and everyone else does. What a pathetic narcissist!

I used to hate non-Christians; now, I hate Christian theology and do not hate Christians. My hate count is at 0, as I now love everyone. My heart is getting free; Satan is helping.

But whatever you do to get out, realize that if you think for one second Jesus loves you, you are being deceived. Don't let these idiots prey on your weaknesses. I have BPD, and they used that against me.

Atheism, Islam, Hinduism, and Judaism all support it. I DO NOT support forced Christian doctrine.

Hail yourself and Hail Satan!

Here is the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqLGD4WfJeA

It always feels like their talking down to you with the whole "I prayed for you". And it's the way they go into poor, starving country's and promise them richs in heaven and eternal life then after they turn Christian say "look at what Gods doing" like no you just converted a bunch of desperate and uneducated people into Christian's using promises of things they don't have as well as saying "if you don't believe me then go to hell". Of course, they don't say this straight up, but its sugar coated or implied.

Another crazy thing is them acting like they know everything because of the bible, and when they ask how I think the world was created I always say "I don't know" because no one knows. Nobody knows everything but yet Christian's act they do and look down on you for it.

Lastly this is more personal but most of them suck, I go to a Christian school and the same people who tried getting me expelled for being gay are praying and worshipping in front of me every friday because of the schools chapel thing. I never bothered anyone and even my friends and outsiders though it was really random. Anyways just ranting lol

It was basically what my religious trauma brain thinks the end of the world will be. Like meteor showers and flooding and devils coming up to earth. And I didn't want to go to hell so I started "repenting" in my dream. It felt real and I thought I was gonna die a horrid death and be sent to hell while begging God to forgive me. When I woke up I just had to sit there and think. In real life, I don't think I'd ever go back to believing in God, but my dream made it so I was practically begging. What the fuck

At best, the Christians applauding the trauma of ICE barging into classrooms and workplaces are sociopathic but at worst, they're flat-out racist and just love seeing all the brown "undesirables" rounded up. Recently, the people of Los Angeles took to the streets to protest the arrests of immigrants. I made the mistake of scrolling the comment section of YouTube and it was just people happy to see others persecuted. Aside from the fact that immigrants do all our "dirty" jobs, treating people like vermin is EXACTLY how the Austrian ex-painter operated.

I caught my grandfather googling, "The only way 1 can communicate with god," & I'm just baffled at the obvious mental masturbation shit like this is b/c considering all the ways people supposedly have communicated with & supposedly heard from god, IDK there was only, "one way," like WTF does that even mean?

It never ends.

https://apnews.com/article/new-orleans-saints-catholic-church-sex-abuse-77f92deb50e6333fa04a9db1897f8171

Highlights:

• Saints executives were so involved in the church’s damage control that a team spokesman briefed his boss on a 2018 call with the city’s top prosecutor hours before the church released a list of clergymen accused of abuse. The call, the spokesman said, “allowed us to take certain people off” the list.
• Team officials were among the first people outside the church to view that list, a carefully curated, yet undercounted roster of suspected pedophiles. The disclosure of those names invited civil claims against the church and drew attention from federal and state law enforcement.
• The team’s president, Dennis Lauscha, drafted more than a dozen questions that Archbishop Gregory Aymond should be prepared to answer as he faced reporters.
• The Saints’ senior vice president of communications, Greg Bensel, provided fly-on-the-wall updates to Lauscha about local media interviews, suggesting church and team leaders were all on the same team. “He is doing well,” Bensel wrote as the archbishop told reporters the church was committed to addressing the crisis. “That is our message,” Bensel added, “that we will not stop here today.”

My cousin suddenly passed. He was like my brother (and I’ll miss him dearly 💔)so I went to church for the funeral.

My cousin was not a Christian but his mom was. I had no problems with the service being held in a Christian church and services were performed to a degree. Funerals are more for the living than they are the dead so it would make sense to have it with the mom’s support base and community.

My cousin also wasn’t a fan of the pastor because he felt the lady was manipulative to his mom.

The service started and holy fuck was it traumatic. I would say a small but significant amount of people there didn’t know my cousin but these peel people, they are screaming, talking in tongues and all this stuff that was taking away from eulogizing my cousin. There was one lady in particular that was screaming whatever to bring attention to herself and we the family, looking at this woman crazy like STFU.

They are began gaslighting everyone and reminding them they’re pretty much shit without Jesus. Much of the service they spent proselytizing to get people to come to Christ and less time in celebrating the life of one of the smartest and naturally talented people I ever got to know and proud to call my family.

I’m sure all churches don’t do this but that was weird and that’s definitely not what my cousin would have wanted.

I haven’t been in church so long I forgot the anxiety attacks I use to get from random wailing and screaming and the emotional and mental gaslighting.

Some of my family say this is normal and expected. At a Funeral they want to save souls and they thought it was a decent service. I thought it was traumatic. I’m just happy I was able to say my goodbyes to my cousin.

So, this will sound insane, but almost every time in my life something bad happens, it is right after I watch pornography or insult God in some way or whatnot. Like, so much so it feels impossible to be coincidence. And yes, I know, "the human brain is wired for pattern recognition and make patterns out of chaos" but this feels TOO much too be coincidence.

How do I shake myself of this thought?

I want to say it's was called Exodus or something, but there were stories of people leaving various religions, from evangelism to mormonism be left, and it was the people who left telling their stories.

If it's any more help, I remember there was a two part episode of a younger woman telling her story that I vaguely remember, I believe she left the mormon church, I'm not 100% on that though.

This is all I remember of it. I'd say it started coming out about 8ish years ago, and I originally found it on this subbreddit. It helped me alot as a teen deconverting myself and I'd love to go back and watch some of them, but I am unable to find them.

Any help in finding it is much appreciated!!

Hi all,

I’m curious to know about other people's experiences of leaving Christianity. I grew up trying to follow its teachings — praying, reading the Bible, and doing my best to be a good Christian —but I never really felt better for it. In fact, I ended up feeling worse. My depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts got so bad that I felt like I couldn’t take it anymore. I was tearing my hair out, literally. It was a dark place, and I felt completely lost.

I couldn’t talk to my Christian family about it (even though they was Lukewarm) because I knew they would just tell me I was being stupid. So, secretly, I explored other religions (Atheist, Satanist ect) and eventually converted to Islam. I still keep this a secret because I’m young (14), and I understand some people may say I’m too young to make such decisions, but honestly, I don’t care. Christianity caused me a lot of pain, and Islam has brought me healing.

I had so many hate comments off Christians all because I left.

My own Orthodox Friend threatened to execute me, this was a guy that posted daily Bible verses and teacher the 'Love and Light of Christ'.

I also got r*pe comments as I was only 'unpure' and 'filthy' anyway now.

They called me a t*rrorist and other words similar.

I'm just glad I had 2 Muslim Friends to help me go through it all.

Now, I’m curious to hear your stories. Why did you leave Christianity? Did you have similar struggles, or was there another reason? Did you like have to keep it a secret?

» I’m also looking for historical evidence as to why Christianity might not be true—not just the “how could Jesus walk on water” kind of argument, but real historical reasons or contradictions. «

Looking forward to hearing your perspectives. Thanks for reading! 💞🩷💞🩷

I just asked the Orthodox subreddit if there were LGBT+ friendly priests because I have a gay Orthodox friend who is seriously suffering under the bigotry of his Greek Orthodox Church. I wanted to know if there was anyone within that church tradition that was affirming of LGBT+ people because I think it would be very powerful for him to hear an authority figure tell him he is not a piece of shit bound for hell.

They immediately assumed I was troll which I am honestly a little surprised about. I expected hate on the post of course because christians are the most hateful group I’ve ever encountered. But to not even allow discussion? It’s interesting. I think it really showcases the fragility of their beliefs if they are too afraid to even engage with an atheist. (I am trolling them a bit now. I think it’s good to give the cultists a little excitement every once in awhile)

Anyway, I’ll ask the same question here. Are there progressive Orthodox christians out there? I’ve searched google and I found a website of testimonials from gay Orthodox christians, but I am really looking for an authority figure who isn’t a hateful piece of shit. Or really just any resource by an Orthodox figure that doesn’t have the ‘gays must die’ narrative. My friend is in deep, and I feel like he will not respond to anything I try to tell him unless there is some ‘religious authority’ behind it.

Seriously tho,why? It's like they don't like taking risks... Even the most daring songs sound bad

Did you notice every religion thinks they have something special?

Muslims 72 virgins

Mormons their own planet

Christians are raptured

Jews of course God's favorite

Jehovah witness 144,000

have you ever felt something just wasn't right but you couldn't pinpoint what it was? how long did it last? what was the last straw?

I'm working on trying to maintain a good connection with my family. Even though we differ in core values and beliefs. Much of my family is christian And their ideas about God that I hear are still disturbing me, As I Am still healing from religiois Trauma and conditioning. I wonder if it is worth mantaining relationships or if I should distance myself from them to protect myself.

When I hear them talk about religious ideologies. My reaction is a disturbed heart. And I want to argue with them. It would help if I could learn to not get triggered. When I hear them talk about religion but it is so irritating and disturbing to me.

I can't get their emotional support to heal from religion. Instead they gaslight me when i talk about my religious trauma and they tell me i should try christianity again. They are blind to the damage that the teachings and the ideologies of the bible have done to me. So it feels like i'm all alone in the Healing journey.

it's difficult because it feels like i'm alone. I struggle to spiritually connect with people and the universe. The people I can connect to the best Are the ones who have moved away from religion and are healing.

when i was in the church

i could not open my eyes

i felt very guilty

i wanted to cry

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Someone on here recently asked if MAGA all goes back to religion. The short answer is yes, the long answer is trump has created a new religion. A cult centered around himself and the unifying myth is God endorses trump and his sycophants. This article explains it way better than i can here on reddit. But we are in a new dark age and the 21st century crusade is in full swing. Heretics will be targeted. First they oust leaders then they target the helpless. First its immigrants and then they come for you and me. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/maga-god-religion-donald-trump.html

I once heard that the majority of people who convert to islam, eventualy deconvert. My question is if we have statistics about other religions. I'm mainly interested in christianity, but I am also curious about other religions. What is their szatistics about converts, who renounce their faith? Thank you for your time to answer.

This is fucking stupid.

Me and my best friend were playing a fucking FISHING game, right? And he made the horrible mistake of joining Discord servers dedicated to it.

He entered a giveaway which he won. A red flag already was only having 30 minutes to claim the prize but he was able to reply anyway. So they started preparing the in-game free rare item he won.

Then some guy pointed out his profile picture (it was a character from Undertale) and said that it looks gay. Then they start asking him about his sexuality. He then defended himself, saying how this doesn't need to be answered but they kept pushing him to answer so he said "Yes, I'm gay, what about it?".

The admins seemed to be really upset over this so they went on a mission to be an amazing representation of god. So they started spamming Bible verses and kept telling him to "GET OUT".

My friend defended himself saying that god loves everyone regardless of their sexuality (Yes, my friend is literally religious... and he's being treated like shit by religious people. ironic.) and this statement angered them a lot so they quoted verses at him such as "Ephesians 4:29".

They then called my friend a liar saying "That thing says it's gay and a Christian" and this same person kept flooding the chat with "God made rhe man for the woman and the woman for the man". This person then introduced my friend to "Matthew 19:4" which has literally nothing to do with sexuality but I bet he felt really smart.

I was so fucking annoyed at this, especially because my friend is a believer himself. This is fucking inhumae and caveman behaviour.

May I also point out that one of these mfs were called "Nigg3r hater" with an e instead of a 3 and they changed this name right before showering my friend with the love of Christ.

In the end, he did not get the reward.

Keep in mind this was a fucking server about a game where you catch fish.

I just wanted to rant about this, it got me really annoyed. Sorry for making the story short but we left the server instead of dealing with this shit.

Wait I know this title sounds hella fucking stupid. I have a point to this.

I just don't understand how good-faithed, genuinely good hearted Christians really believe in Jesus when there are so many other people traumatized and hurt by religion. The concept of Hell and Heaven feels truly shallow. I know there are really smart people that reason their ways through this, and I get that, but the fact that most of the world aren't Christians and will burn in Hell to their beliefs is a bit funny, no?

On the other hand, I don't even know where to begin with ill-minded people, leveraging Christianity. I don't even think I care if they believe or not.

For the people who believe in Christianity because they went through a lot of suffering and the religion helped them, what do I say to them?

My point to this post is that I have a Christian friend who has strong faith to their religion. But she has been kicked out/bullied by Christians from 3+ communities, but she still remains hella strong in their faith. No offense, I do think my friend is hella fucked up in her own way, but I feel like religion in itself is fueling such a bad environment.

By a "bad environment," I mean mindlessly putting trust on pastors. Believing that prayers will eventually solve every problem. Trust that miracles occur (and they do). Thinking that life on Earth is truly meaningless. Believing that relationships end and ultimately Jesus is the only thing that's meaningful.

Okay I KNOW this is what Christians believe. But seriously? Like... seriously?

I want to tell my friend to live an actual fucking life and wake up to reality (to put it really short), if that makes sense. That relationships matter. That life on Earth matters. That these sufferings are real. That friends and family are important. That pastors are manipulative. That churches and Christians are just fucked up. But I'm afraid that I'm gonna lose my friendship in case she puts Jesus over everything else in his/her life. I feel like she's delving deeper and deeper into isolation with Jesus.