You know that feeling when something is so obviously dumb that you draw a blank, mentally. The other person thinks they've "gotcha." My family often posts things like this on social media and I usually stay silent because of this "dumb-block." Sure silence is often the best answer, but I'd like to share it with you guys and see what retorts you came up with.

Picture shows John McArthur with a smug expression and a caption reading, "The Bible is the most offensive book in the world. No-one escapes, it damns the whole human race." (I can't seem to post it but perhaps that's just as well, looking at his smug countenance.)

P.S. I can't stand Johnny Mack, and even if I were a Christian I couldn't.

"Family-friendly" when talking about specific media is frequently a dog whistle meaning "Christian".

A lot of family vloggers (which I'm against) who aren't overtly Christian are very much coded as being Christian. Like, they often are shot in/with Christian aesthetics: white or pastel clothing, "inspirational" quotes, trad-wife adjacent staging, etc. Stuff like this has been foisted upon me, as I have no interest in family vloggers. But I do like seeing terrible people's downfall and I love watching a good YouTube documentary about an awful person fucking around and finding out.

As someone who likes to make sure I'm doing appropriate exercises when I go to the gym, Tik Tok and Reels have been recommending exercise-based content. On the surface, that's perfectly fine. It's good to follow form when doing exercises so I don't fuck up and I like learning about new exercises to incorporate into my routine. But, gym culture in general is super Jesus-y, and I've never figured out why. And it's to the point that, even if a content creator affiliated with fitness/gym content is not themselves religious, they still have to give a wink and a nod and appear Christian-adjacent if they wanna have any kind of success.

What are some facets of society that you've noticed are Christian-coded and how does this come across?

As a 5-6 year kid, I used to open my eyes during every group prayer and look around to see if other people were actually taking it seriously. Are we actually talking to someone?

They told me that 8 people took care of all the animals in the world aboard a wooden boat, and I felt guilty for thinking that can't be real. The farmer living down the road spent all his time caring for 100 head of cattle and had never taken a single vacation in his life.

When I was 13 I diligently read the Bible cover to cover because I was sure that would finally teach me to believe. I asked them: if God is a spirit, why was he walking in the garden with Adam and sitting in a tent with Abraham? Why is he jealous of other gods if other gods don’t exist? Some things aren’t literal, I was told. But other things certainly are. Let the word of God speak to you. Ask and you will receive.

As I got older I felt more and more deficient. Every day I went through a mental ritual of combing through all my thoughts. For every sinful thought, I prayed over and over for forgiveness. But my guilt kept growing, because I secretly didn’t think prayer was legitimate, because deep down I thought God didn't exist. But I kept going because if I was truthful to myself, it would have meant I was a bad person. The worst sin, and the only one worthy of eternal damnation, was unbelief.

One day well into adulthood, I gave up. It turns out there is no God. It turns out I was mentally ill. I had OCD. And thought crimes aren’t real crimes.

“Just believe in Jesus and you will be saved. It’s a simple choice. Just read the Bible and let him into your life.”

Well, I tried. It wasn’t that simple. Some of us are born left-handed instead of right-handed, some of us are born gay instead of straight, and some of us are born with no capacity for religiosity.

When the day of judgement comes, God will smite me like he once did the fig tree. It didn’t have any fruit because it was exactly the way he created it.

I am a youth trying to understand the other side of Christianity that people deep down, intrinsically question.

Hello everyone! So as a young child, about 11 years old, I would watch these Kent Hovind videos about dinosaurs and how they still exist and all that. I thought he was so cool and smart. I loved watching them. The tapes were at my grandmothers house and I would watch them every time I went over there, thinking I was learning so much. I was a big fan.

Flash forward to me being 16 years old. I had all but forgotten about the man. Hadn't watched his videos in years, didn't ever think about them. Move on to me being in my early 20s and I had family members talking about his debates with people. Talking about how he "destroyed stupid evolutionist" and the like. I had no interest in watching the videos as I was still very new to learning about evolution. I didn't see the point in watching a debate on the topic, as I would have to look up everything that was said to see which side was telling the truth.

Now lets look at my late 20's to modern day at nearly 33. I have an uncle who is obsessed with the man, and acts just like him, as we will get into later on. And this uncle is always talking about his debates and how he wins every debate and everyone who debates him is just stupid. By this point I had a functional knowledge of evolution. If not, I am at least close to that, I know enough that I can hold a base level conversation about it. When people get in depth about it, I know enough that I can keep up to some extent. I might not be able to add anything to the conversation other than questions, but I can follow along and, mostly, understand what is being talked about. So I decided to start checking out some of these debates.

The first thing I noticed is how much of a smug ass hole he is. He scoffs at everything he does not agree with, he 100% misrepresents what people say, he keeps asking the same question over and over despite having already gotten an answer to it(because he thinks the question itself is a slam dunk for his case), he insist that anything that he does not agree with is a "religion" and a "cult" when he CLEARLY has no idea what the words even mean, and he lies about what science teaches, and he strawmans every point. All the same things my uncle, who worships him, does. Kent clearly thinks he is the smartest person in any room he is in. My uncle is the same way. All these things make people not want to have a conversation with you. I have a cousin who agrees with our uncle on the base level of most of his religious views. Even she says she can't stand talking to him about it and says that he thinks he is so much smarter than he is, which is not at all.

To farther get into some of what was covered above... In one of the debates he is in, with Grayson Hawk, Grayson Hawk talked about the big bang in his opening. Because Kent seems to think it is part of evolution, for some reason. And when he talked about the big bang he gave evidence for the big bang. When it gets back to Kent, dude starts by saying "you skipped right over cosmic evolution. Where did space, matter, and time come from?" Grayson attempts to inform him that none of that has anything to do with the big bang. For Kent to just re ask the question. Greyson attempts to explain in another way, just for Kent to re ask the question. Then Kent starts going on about how "if you can't answer where that all came from you don't have a coherent religion" Just to get back into asking the question again every time Grayson tries to move things along, as the answer has been given. So that he can say the thing about "you don't have a coherent religion" In the process claiming that if you can't say where it all came from, nothing else you say matters. As well as being snarky as hell in the process. And he kept coming back to this question the ENTIRE debate. Throwing in "tell me where it all came from or admit you don't know and we can stop the debate, I win"

Though out the debate he also keeps saying "If you don't know where it all came from you are living in a fantasy land. "Oh we have this magic land beyond the clouds." There is no magic land beyond the clouds." When Grayson never mentions such a thing at all. I would also like to commend Grayson on not saying "Isn't a large part of your belief about a magic land beyond the clouds?" and just sticking to representing what he has to say. Kent also makes the assumption that the audience is uneducated on the facts when he says "No one in the audience is going to know what you are talking about" sort of tipping you off that he is banking on no one knowing the science, allowing him to say what ever nonsense he wants.

And this was just the most recent debate I watched with Kent in it. This is one, single, debate with Kent doing all these things. And it is nothing new, he does this stuff in every single debate he is in. I have never seen a debate with him not doing this stuff. That's not to say I have seen them all, I only watch them here and there when I have nothing better to do. Though, from my random sample it is 100%.

I am super embarrassed that I was ever a fan of this man. And I am embarrassed for my uncle that he is a 50 year old man who has some major hero worship going on for the man.

In closing, Kent is snarky, smug, idiotic, self absorbed, ass hole who has no desire to convince people who do not already agree with him. He only wants to get people who already agree with him to support him and give him money so he can keep doing that same old shit over and over.

PS: Sorry this is so long of a post. I was going to write something short when I first thought about writing this post. Things got away from me and here we are. I think a lot of my hate for the man comes from the fact I used to like him and I hate that fact. I needed to do this, if you read the entire thing. Thanks! If not, I don't blame you at all. It is all over the place, it is overly wordy, and it is all in all poorly written. I just sort of let my fingers do what they wanted.

I don't know what I was doing every Sunday, but it damn well wasn't paying attention to the pastor. I was off in my own world, and thinking my own thoughts.

I know that I’m not actually regressing. I’ve been through a lot. From a free spirited teen to a hell fearing Christian, then back to a peaceful agnostic/atheist. I’ve always had a lot on my mind.

What I’m referring to here is how different I am now. Leaving Christianity meant leaving a more “mature” verbiage that came along with it (as I’d constantly quote older Bible translations).

I went from being super serious at all times and speaking like an older pastor to giggling and smiling nonstop (I’m so happy to be out in the real world) and saying things like “OMG!”

I went from dressing up in clothes that a person older than me would’ve worn to dressing up like I’m going to the club wherever I go!

I know I’m catching up on my earlier years and I want to honor that, but sometimes I wonder if I’d age regressed or what?

Is this a common experience?

But I don't care.

Today, I went for a run at a local park. After stretching I needed to pee and headed to the bathroom. There, I found a pocket Bible and pamphlet for a local church on the sink waiting for someone to give it a new home. Well, I found a new home for it. The trash can right next to the sink.

I think that i made the park a little better than it was when I first got there today.

Wow, just wow. Expected a documentary, got a horror movie about brainwashing and indoctrinating children instead. I thought I had it bad growing up, but this was on another level entirely. I found myself cringing through much of the movie, especially when the little girl awkwardly shares the gospel with the woman at the bowling alley. Also, that pastor who led the camp is a demon.

I’ve been reading a little about Christians judging people’s reasons for leaving the religion.

THEY ARE ALL VALID. EVERY REASON. Whether you read the Bible and simply don’t believe in it, whether you think Yahweh fucking sucks, or whether you think life was unfair to you and a God wouldn’t do that, it doesn’t matter.

Be glad you got out, escaped indoctrination, and formed your own opinion. Just wanted to share this as the holiday season continues.

Hi guys, I’m looking for advice or even just understanding for my situation. I have IRL people who I can talk to about this and they are supportive, but no one who really gets it.

My dad is an evangelical Christian and a Republican, but (to sum it up as briefly as possible) he’s not a hypocrite or an asshole about it. His beliefs (mainly that nonchristians will go to hell, being gay is a sin, Christians are the truly oppressed ones, rapture is right around the corner) bother me to the point that they are constantly on my mind when I’m around him even though he is more than willing to avoid all discussions of politics and most mentions of religion. Basically he’s willing to concede to whatever I ask to have a relationship short of actually changing his beliefs, but the fact that I know he has these beliefs makes me feel tense and anxious even during neutral or positive interactions.

Luckily we don’t live in the same city and we don’t text or call, so this really only applies to visits that happen a few times a year ( I have a good relationship with my mom and my husbands parents live near my parents). I guess I’m just wondering if anyone has successfully managed a relationship like this or maybe I’m just looking for a reality check from people who understand. I swing back and forth between being mad at him and feeling bad for him because it really makes him sad that being around him stresses me about so much and I wish I could just manage to have a neutrally amicable relationship that didn’t bother me so much.

...and I agree. but isn't that the point? if the bible is the word of God, and modern christians followed the new testament, why shouldn't all of it be followed?

this was my train of thought at 14. it was 2021, a high school freshman. the year prior I became hyper-religious because it was the "end-times" according to the YouTube prophets my mom watched. mixed with what's likely ocd and a strong rule-following tendency, I begrudgingly became pious. i took christianity seriously, and I hated it.

christmas and birthdays were loaded with guilt, since they had pagan origins. i always felt like shit going to friend's birthday parties, or getting christmas gifts. even now at 17, christmas' magic is still gone.

because of verses of wives "keeping the home"(Titus 2), I figured...why try in school if I was gonna be a housewife?! i stopped having career goals, decided I'd have 6 kids, and did less work. now I'm trying to apply for colleges with a 3.3 gpa. I'm smart; i could've done better. I'm mad I slacked off.

(and, yes, I fell down the tradwife rabbit hole on tumblr. i hated the racism and sexism as a black girl, but I was still intrigued.)

because of verses on purity and "it is good for a man to not touch a woman", my dumbass decided I'd "date for marriage" (1 Corinthians). i even felt guilty for daydreaming about kissing.

the worst part of the Bible for me was Romans 14: the personal convictions chapter. if you believe something is wrong, even if it's not explicitly a sin, and you do it anyway, it means you've sinned.

i didn't know I had ocd at the time; i thought the holy spirit just liked giving me random ass rules for no reason. because I had to follow the Bible, I had to follow this principle, so I had to follow my self imposed rules.

so! guilt for not wearing dresses and for eating bacon! i had to pray to God in old english if "He told me to"! no secular music past 8pm on a saturday, and no homework on sundays!

no drawing girls who had masculine features like me, because women "were supposed to look like women"! to that extent, I felt guilty for having stubble, broad shoulders, and a deep voice! if I felt like I had to confess a mistake to specifically my mom, I had to do it! even if my mom didn't know about said mistake!

and, no disobeying God's special order to spin in a circle every time I walked into my bedroom.

I'm sure you can see why I left the religion.

a few days ago i begun reading the bible just to take notes of my doubts, thoughts (on biblical phrases and/or christianity in general), contradictions (explicit and implicit) and absurdies.

also a bit of the biblical world. e.g., did God create the world twice? On Genesis chapter 1, God (Elohim in the hebrew version) creates the world and life (including humans, man and woman), but suddenly on chapter two the "world" (just Eden and Middle East) resets and now it's Elohim YHWH who's in command. that's... a bit off to me.

I also took notes of the rules in Leviticus, such as:

Don't eat pork, rabbit, camels nor anything that swims and doesn't have fins and scales (Chapter 11). They don't do that. (also they called bats birds...)

Menstruating women are impure and everything they touch also is (15: 19-20). They don't follow.

Don't steal, deceive nor lie (19: 11).

Don't use the name of God to sustain lies (19:12).

Judge with justice (19: 15).

Don't associate with those who gossip (19: 16). Gotta preach this verse to the church ladies out there!

Don't cut your hair nor your beard (19: 27). Jehovah's Witnesses didn't follow this, until the GB allowed brothers to grow beards.

When I read those I was like: They don't follow any of these, why only 18: 22?, even when they have that Jesus teaching to love your neighbor? Prejudice and hate make them cherry-pick and twist whatever verse they desire.

And also: Don't mistreat strangers (19: 31). The Republicans seem to only open Leviticus to be homophobic I guess.

And it gets worse. Flat noses are considered flaws by Yahweh (21: 18). And my thoughts when reading that chapter:

"If these are flaws, why would Yahweh, with all of his omnipotence, let humans be born like that? He could just say a word and everyone would be perfect." (Also totally not racist, trust me bruh, God told me).

My theory is that he does want a weak, powerless creation, the less we know the better, but when Adam and Eve ate the fruit from the Tree of Life, they became like God and, according to God himself, would live forever (Genesis 3: 22). So he lied when he told the humans they would die if they ate the fruit, because he didn't want to share his godly powers (that he barely uses). Could be a reason why he banned witchcraft from Israel, considering that the pagan magic from Egyptian sorceres was capable of replicating two of God's actions on earth (the stick turning into a snake and the waters bevoming blood). Magic gives power to humans, and Yahweh doesn't want humans to have such power, so he demanded any magician in Israel be killed.

I'm reading Numbers now, started with the OT and already regret it. Because MOTHER EARTH WHAT A BORING BOOK!

anyways, i might keep posting my views on the Bible here (if I still read it). Stay safe yall!

This is an actual conversation I had with my cousin. I asked her what her proof of god was and she told me "When I was an older teenager I had no money and no food. I didn't tell anyone about this, I just prayed. And your mom gave me some money. That's proof of god"

I'm sorry, fucking what? My mother, who knew you where a teenager on your own, made the logical assumption that you could use some money and gave it to you and that's proof of god? Not just any god, proof of your god?

She said some other stuff too like "I have felt him in my life" but was unable to prove that what she felt was not just strong emotion. Or "Remember when our uncle was sick and the doctors didn't know what to do. Then he started getting better and the doctors didn't know how? That's proof of god" He is very sick again, his health took an upturn for about a month. And they DO know how to help him. Or rather how he can help himself. He needs to quit smoking, he has been smoking since he was 14 and smokes over 2 packs a day. They have told him "if you don't stop smoking it will kill you." Rather than quitting the smoking he is trusting his god to save him. And I get how hard it is to quit that, I quit smoking a few years back only to replace it with vaping. I am working on quitting that now. Though it is the hardest thing I have ever had to do. The difference is, I don't have 3 grown kids and 2 young teens who still rely on me to be there for them.

This is getting off topic a bit. I didn't want to talk about him not quitting without saying I understand how hard it is. Back on topic. Another one of her proofs is "Look all around you. The trees, the grass, the birds. They are all proof of god." But refused to acknowledge that they could be proof of anything other than god. Or any god other than HER god.

Why is it that every "proof of god" is either an unverifiable personal experience, a sick person getting better, or "look around you"? I mean, I can tell you why. Because there is no actual proof. It just boggles my mind that xians think that these things are real and legitimate proof of their god. Though if someone uses the same tactics to prove any other god, it proves nothing.

Title covers this post. Not much more to add other than, keep being you! You are doing fine, your feelings are valid, and you are beautiful! You don't need some magic man in the clouds to validate you.

My brother is a very accomplished doctor. He is one of the hardest workers I know. And he cares about people individually for sure. We grew up Christian. I was first to leave the church. He has always been devout. He tended to vote Republican but he occasionally votes for democrats. I know he voted for Biden in 2020. Well, he voted for trump this year. Wtf. But there’s one obvious reason why: he has always admired Musk. Get him to talk about cardiology and he’s a wizard. I asked him a bunch of questions about voting for Trump and he says things like: “Biden broke everything.” “Woke mindedness.” Lots of woke. “Tired of school boards shoving pronouns down our throats” (why do they love to say that??). Says that Kamala’s p diddy party activities are worse than Trump with Epstein. Doesn’t think Trump is actually going to do any of the things he says he’s going to. “The constitution will keep him in check.” (Does he think the document is literally magical?). “Biden didn’t do enough to unify the country.” He thinks RFK jr is going to be good in charge of health. Doesn’t care that ACA will probably get repealed.

I bet My genius/dumbass brother is going to volunteer himself for human trials of the brain chip project when it becomes available 🙄

I have tried to talk to him about politics, even though we end up arguing so much. We tried just not talking politics for a long while.

Im going low/no contact with him for the foreseeable future. There’s just no getting through to him. Xianity is truly brain warping. I don’t understand how anyone, especially a smart person who should know better, could stomach voting for trump.

Satan help us.

Honestly unless you gave away all of your possessions and lived a life of a saint intent on following Christ then you aren't a real believer at all. If these people truly believed the absurd shit the bible says God is then they would have dedicated their lives to doing nothing but following Christ in every way possible. I don't know how these frauds even get away with never reading or knowing their bible, let alone living a proper life in dedication to God. "But it's SIN, God will forgive me for being so lazy" Like no... he fucking won't. If they read the bible they would realize that Jesus wasn't fucking around when he said his followers that didn't support immigrants wouldn't go to heaven. Jesus was crazy with the kind of shit he said, but nobody even knows about it. "If you love your mother or daughter more than me - you are not worthy of me" - Jesus Christ

Fucking frauds. -- and if they DO love Jesus more than their daughters then fuck 'em anyway. In either case they are horrible hypocrites or terrible people living in a fantasy world. TY for reading my rant.

I don’t know if there is really a God but the idea of Him that I grew up to messed me up big-time. I don’t know why I posted this but I just feel like I wasted my whole damn life believing in God. F*ck religion! Who invented this thing?!

Bruh bc why? I'm just on youtube enjoying life. I use it for few things, but mainly rain sounds, meditations, and random music (usually instrumental or broadway). But I get these ads that are like "take a moment and pray with me". It doesn't matter how many times I block them, there's always a new ad so I can't actually escape them. What about what I watch makes them think I want to pray? If it was any other religion making ads to ask others to pray, it would be seen as terrorism, but because it's Christianity it's okay? Fuck that shit, I don't want to hear it. It feels like the mentality that mental health doesn't exist, only praying will help you. I just want to block it but I can't!!!

One of the biggest issues I’ve noticed with Christianity is how subjective it is. Everyone seems to interpret it differently, and what’s considered “sinful” or “acceptable” often depends on who you ask. Here are several examples:

1.Movies like Harry Potter Some Christians say Harry Potter is sinful because it involves witchcraft. Others say it’s just a harmless fantasy story.

2.Video Games Some Christians believe playing video games is fine, while others claim it’s a distraction from God or even a tool of the devil.

3.Being Gay Some Christians say being gay is a sin, while others argue that God loves everyone and being LGBTQ+ is perfectly okay.

4.Drinking Alcohol Some Christians say drinking is completely sinful and forbidden, while others think it’s fine as long as you don’t get drunk.

5.Listening to Secular Music Some Christians say it’s wrong to listen to non-Christian music, while others think music is just music, regardless of its message.

6.Celebrating Holidays Some Christians think celebrating holidays like Christmas and Easter is fine, while others believe they’re pagan and shouldn’t be observed.

7.How to Pray or Worship Some say you need to pray formally or attend church services to worship God, while others say casual or personal prayer is enough.

8.Clothing Choices Some Christians believe wearing revealing clothing is sinful, while others think modesty is a personal choice and not necessarily tied to faith.

9.Dating and Relationships Some Christians think dating is acceptable, while others believe courtship is the only proper way to pursue a relationship.

10.Birth Control Some Christians say using birth control is sinful because it interferes with God’s plan, while others think it’s a responsible choice.

11.Divorce and Remarriage Some Christians think divorce is an unforgivable sin, while others believe it’s acceptable in certain circumstances, like abuse or infidelity.

12.Women in Leadership Roles Some Christians think women should never preach or lead in a church, while others believe gender doesn’t matter in God’s calling.

13.Tattoos and Piercings Some Christians say tattoos and piercings are sinful because they “defile the body,” while others see them as a form of self-expression and art.

14.Working on Sundays Some Christians say working or doing anything other than worship on Sundays is sinful, while others believe it’s fine as long as you honor God in your own way.

15.Parenting Styles Some Christians believe in strict, authoritarian parenting because “spare the rod, spoil the child,” while others promote gentler, more understanding approaches.

16.Science and Evolution Some Christians completely reject science, particularly evolution, while others believe evolution and Christianity can coexist.

17.Money and Wealth Some Christians think wealth is a blessing from God, while others believe being rich is sinful because it distracts from helping others.

18.What “Sin” Even Means Some Christians define sin as breaking specific rules in the Bible, while others think it’s about your intentions and how you treat others.

It’s interesting how people claim to follow the same God and the same Bible but end up with completely different rules for what’s “right” or “wrong.” If God wanted everyone to follow His word, why is it open to so much interpretation?

What are some examples you’ve noticed?

For those who are ex-christians and now believe in another religion or faith, I have some questions:

1-What do you believe in right now?

2-What exactly happened that made you believe in THAT faith other than christianity?

3-Did you still hold the unconscious fear that God would punish you and fear of hell?

I wonder if y'all kept praying for very trivial and/or weird shit if you were a believer as a kid.

I used to keep going to church to pray for "Minecraft" and for Mort from that one Madagascar movie (you can't blame me, look how cute that little guy is).

idk just came to my head

My girlfriend and I just got together last week. She was raised Buddhist, but does not practice. Her mother is a Catholic. AFAIK, my gf has never practiced Christianity.

We converse a lot, as new couples do, and she mentioned how she almost acts like a mother to young trans kids in her workplace. I took the opportunity to tell her I am bisexual since she all but said she’s an LGBTQ+ ally.

Her response was as loving and supportive as I ever could have hoped for. She said she wasn’t worried about it and capped it off with, “We love who we love, and that's what matters.”

If she was a practicing Christian, I would have been extremely concerned because I wouldn’t feel comfortable telling her my sexuality. I have a hard enough time telling members in my own family that I’m bi, but she is the person I’ve probably told the quickest.

Besides the LGBTQ+ acceptance, she’s just a kind and a curious person. Qualities I don’t associate with Christianity at large today.

I hope this relationship lasts. ❤️

If you read a Bible verse, like let's say... Ezekiel 5:9-10

"Because of all your abominations I will do to you what I have never done before, the like of which I will never do again.Therefore, parents will eat their children in your midst, and children will eat their parents."

It shows that God's punishing Israel's disobedience through cannibalism and basically slaughtering them ruthlessly. Verse 9 shows that he NEVER punished them like that before, yet he DID in Leviticus 26:29 and Deut 28:53-57. Which means, GOD LIED!!!!

Yet even when you read the passage the Christians excuse passages like this with...

"Out of context! Read the chapter!"

Read the chapter, but....

"Out of context! Read the entire book!"

You read the book surrounding the verse but ...

"Out of context! Read the entire Bible cover to cover!"

And the most unsurprising one which I BET will be used...

"Out of context! Read the Bible cover to cover and believe in everything it says with all your heart and mind and soul!"

I SWEAR the only way anyone understands the Bible is if they believe in every word it says, according to Christians.... UGHHHHHHH I can't even with these people anymore..... There's just no reasoning with Christians, because they would also boil it down to "GoD wOrKs iN mYsTeRiOuS WaYs" if they don't even want to bother answering at all.

Sheesh....