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A dedicated place for thoughtful discussion about the state of the world as it stands today and how we are coping.

A dedicated place for thoughtful discussion about the state of the world as it stands today and how we are coping. We would like to gear this sub towards a focus on often casual, sometimes serious, but always fundamentally supportive conversation between people who are concerned about collapse. Generally, posts with the most traction are the ones seeking support and so you will find the support in the comments not the OP.

Rules:

  1. Please practice empathy and respect when addressing other members of the community.

As of now, both links and text posts are allowed. We may want to limit it to just text posts in the future if it's determined that doing so would be best for the community and the sake of the subreddit's direction and traffic. Articles, video, or music that have helped you cope positively are welcome.


Many of us have or are currently coping with depression. There's evidence that depression may lift the veil on some key cultural myths, via depressive realism, and many of us have come to grasp collapse concepts while in a depressed state. We have an elevated risk of suicide. This subreddit is not capable of offering suicide intervention, but the outstanding people at /r/SuicideWatch have taken up that mission. Please be advised that there are also phone and chat suicide prevention resources available to you.

The concept of collapse is terrifying and deeply troubling. Arguably, there is still for hope for survival and adaptation. Civilizations and climates have collapsed before. While this one is likely to be extreme, it is helpful to remember that we are all the descendants of previous survivors. We evolved from lifeforms that survived previous mass extinctions. We are all descendants of humans that survived the numerous known civilization collapses. These are slow moving phenomena that often take generations to play out. Hopefully we can live well in the shadow of collapse and make the most of foresight.


Please enjoy your stay and share what's on your mind!

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If Trump gets elected are we totally fucked?

I'm very worried that if Trump is elected, project 2025 will basically eliminate all chances we have at doing anything about climate change. I know Biden hasn't done much better at all and is actively funding a genocide but it seems like somehow he is the lesser of two evils and I don't want to throw my vote away. Does anyone have any advice or consolations or anything?

5 Comments
2024/06/24
08:36 UTC

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I feel like life was never in the cards for me so I dove headlong into awareness and my personal collapse.

I feel like the biggest Doomer hipster when I choose to point out that I've been a collapsnik for 20+yrs and as a millenial it's basically been since middle school. The awareness it itself is a crutch that keeps me from personal growth.


Pretty soon after 9/11 my stepmom bought me a copy of Adbusters magazine (r/thirdforce) an anarchist publication. A few years later I started reading Crimethinc. In an effort to be open to new ideas I read Ancap publications Liberty and Reason. I believe I've outgrown adbusters but always get a subscription as an Xmas present. I've met the editor in chief in an effort to collaborate. I don't think they pay such a broad legion of contributors like they used to. The 2002-2011 still sticks out in my head as the peak years, some standard quality journalism.


Adbusters was the media foundation that thought up Occupy. They were espousing climate doomerism well before Al Gore. They were foreseeing social collapse as early as 2003. They were great on the Iraq War and heavily critical of Israel and neoliberalism. They warned that Facebook, Twitter et al would wreak havoc on our collective unconscious. They are the main reason I never have used a Meta product. They predicted the rise of Trump too. You name it, they saw it coming.


At the time I started reading it my dad was migrating through all the major conspiracy theories. For someone who worked in media, he's not particularly media literate. More set in his ways. He knocked up the ad lady while married to my mom and my sister was born shortly after 9/11. My dad, aunt and uncle were all inspirations for my work in journalism--work I'd hoped would be a career. Covid 19 had other ideas.


I often pin my life events to each issue of the magazine I was on. I read Hipster: The Dead End Of Western Civilizafion, right after my first stay in the psych ward. I read The Whole Brain Catalog during my second hospitalization. I read Carnivalesque Rebellion after my rehab stay and right as I was about to turn my life around and have my productive 20s getting both undergrad degrees in less than 4yrs, and inexpensively as well . The magazine prepared me for my major as did life. Social Sciences rely heavily on research as narrative, like an ethnography. It seemed like there were lots of kids from small town Carolina and I was from a big city. I took the major more seriously than most of the kids did. The gender studies kids in the major took it seriously but they had a unitary focus. They weren't trying to absorb info and argue with professors or be an unabashed class clown and teacher's pet in my favorite prof's classes.


It was a writing heavy major and I've always loved to write. I was always surprised at how bad other students' papers initial drafts were. Not only could many students fail to understand my notes but they weren't able to understand my writing. I don't think the problem was me and lexical density.* It just was the level of writing. My mom taught me how to write when she was in school and I was in middle school. I hadn't quite understood that I benefitted greatly from that, and reading a lot of 20th Century Fiction she owns, and also benefitted from the 60vr/wk paycheck. On top of all that though, Adbusters magazine taught me how to read. I also think it added a certain lyrical quality to my writing. That and Calvin And Hobbes deserve much credit. The cartoon and the magazine espouse a similar POV too.


I decided to turn in only one draft per essay and to do it immediately so I didn't have to workshop. I was always cutting these sideways deals in college, filing appeals up chains of command to get a hard science prereq, get exemptions to attendance policies. I can't directly credit Adbusters with that and it didn't serve me. I am not the best collaborator. I was doing standup comedy so when we'd have group projects I'd volunteer to be the presenter and would wing it without working with my group I was an arrogant lil bastard and an alcoholic drug addict. The friends I had in my major were smart and also partied hard.


I grew up without an illusion of a normal life. Drugs and alcohol since age 12. Benzos since starting college and a lil bit of speed on top. Whole region was awash with illicit opioids and heroin, and loose Rx pads at Urgent Care. I chose not to review and relive my biggest traumas in this post but they are there. A lil snippet that just came to mind is that bizarre couple years where my mom was in a relationship to someone with relapsing/recovering alcohol and crack cocaine addiction and me being disowned by my dad's family from ages 16-22.


Back to his conspiracy theories. I believe the sane ones. I've reported on so-called conspiracy theories that are pretty much true. I jumped into collapse awareness looking for the truth that was bigger than building 7 and that didn't come with corporate sponsorships.


I lived ages 12-27 by the seat of my pants because there wasn't a future to enjoy. I had so many wacky and wild adventures in my life. It's no coincidence I quit drinking at 27. I have almost died a few times. There was a meme about groundhogs day during the early covid pandemic. The movie was a good analogy for the massive mindfuck we were experiencing. What bugged me though was that my first and only true mental breakdown started on Groundhogs Day. It was my meme before it was societal. I've felt like I was at the end of my life my entire adult life and some time before that. There's a saying about carpe diem and living each day as if it was our last. The problem with it is that it will turn into a Groundhogs Day situation. Except we live the last day of our lives, over and over.



Edit: Okay so there's a certain degree of lexical density.*

I think my more lexically dense shitposts occur when I've had less sleep than average but still in a mood to write. Also I've been losing nights of sleep regularly since quitting booze. I lose on average maybe 3 nights a month. There was a time when wage slaving away that I'd lose 2 nights a week.

2 Comments
2024/06/23
20:07 UTC

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I like this meme. It reminds me of how people treat each other on the weekly voice chat. Sunday 1900 UTC. Goes a few hours. OK to arrive late, leave early, speak or type (we understand certain environments are not safe to speak out loud) or not. Just respect the space.

1 Comment
2024/06/22
20:20 UTC

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I am no longer as hopeful technology or scientific advancement will make the world better

Each advancement has both pros and cons. These sometime seem to cancel each other out.

E.g. nuclear energy discovered: clean nuclear power at the cost of nuclear waste proliferation, war, and MADD.

Go backwards in time and it seems to apply to everything: atificial intelligence, internet, plastics, gunpowder, electricity, fire, human brains, etc.

We will never get to “a better world”. Just different.

8 Comments
2024/06/22
18:22 UTC

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We deserve the collapse heading our way.

I don’t what other way to say it but I’m okay with a collapse. Every day I see how shitty we treat each other let alone Mother Earth, I used to freak out and see how to prevent it. I’m coming to a conclusion that we’re at the point of no return and anything we do to try to prevent is just delaying it. Enjoy life and those around you

22 Comments
2024/06/22
17:16 UTC

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Anyone else “doom spending”?

I think I’ve basically been “doom spending” for the past year or so. Got the car I want, an acre of land I’ll never realistically use, a bunch of my favorite sneakers, and generally just eating the food I want.

I basically feel like treating myself since I’m alive now and I don’t think the future will be good or even happen potentially. Things are already clownishly unaffordable so I think I said fuck it internally.

95 Comments
2024/06/22
16:15 UTC

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So much going on in life and the world, don’t know which way to go with my families future.

So, we were established in another state. Had a house and we were surviving. Started raising chickens and some other things. But we decided to sell the house. Pack up and move to a new state.

The new move was for many reasons. Primary being for our children and their future. We moved to a higher COL state. But in a more northern climate with better schools, safer towns, more opportunities.

The problem is. The town we love, and where we have 1 family member who’s a HUGE help all the time. Is insanely expensive.

Me and my wife are fresh small business owners. We moved up here and both started our businesses (in professions we were already in). So right now we are STRUGGLING financially and this town is making us feel like we will never own a house again. Nevermind one with actual property to try doing some small self sufficiency stuff.

And that is really bumming us out. We feel like the potential is there, like if our businesses take off really well. We could definitely buy a house here. But it would be half the house we could buy elsewhere for the same price.

if we went like 30-40 minutes away… we could buy exactly what we wanted with more property for much much cheaper. But we then take a hit also cause the schools aren’t quite as good. The areas not quite as nice. Our kids fell in love with the town we live in. And our relative doesn’t wanna see us move far.

Really don’t know what to do.

6 Comments
2024/06/22
14:51 UTC

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Invitation from Prof Guy McPherson / The Peoples' Forum for Cooling the Planet

June 25, 2024, at 2 p.m. EDT / Invitation from Prof Guy McPherson / The Peoples' Forum for Cooling the Planet / Zoom Meeting

Prof Guy McPherson has just released a video. It is an invitation to act.

There are too many factors and far too much chaos ahead for anyone to know for certain what state the earth will be in following the collapse. 

I would rather fight than not fight, even if I know there are only horrors ahead in my lifetime.

Most likely, there will be habitable regions of the planet. Even if the conditions are not survivable for humans, even if only extremophiles remain, I still think every square inch of a potentially life-sustaining environment is worth fighting for.

Or maybe it is worth organizing just so we have some say in how collapse happens. I'm sick of the super wealthy fucking over every living thing on this planet while the reasonable people are silenced just so a handful of delusional psychopaths turn our only home into a toxic wasteland. Seriously, why are some of the stupidest people on this planet LARPing as space explorers with impotent rockets while our planet turns to ash? If we organized and took collective action, I think we could change at least *some* things for the better even if we are too late to save civilization.

I'm going to join this forum. I want to support anyone that is trying to do something. 

Even if you're not planning to be an activist, maybe there will be opportunities to find community via this effort. Please consider joining and volunteering.

Here is the video invitation from McPherson.

Here is the information that was posted along with the video:

Invitation to A Peoples’ Forum for Cooling the Planet  (PFCP)

Everyone is welcome to join us.

(The link is on the video.)

We will meet every Tuesday, at 2 p.m. EDT, in our Zoom room, starting June 25:

Our first discussion is a special Volunteers’ Pre-meeting for PFCP.  During the first hour of this pre-meeting, we will present an introduction to PFCP, as well as an overview of the various volunteer opportunities (e.g., hosting breakout rooms, providing Zoom support, providing specialty consulting, etc.).  Even folks who are merely curious about the possibility of volunteering are welcome to join us, with zero pressure to sign up to volunteer, ever.

After the first hour, we will collaborate on planning for the first General Meeting of the PFCP ( A People’s Forum for Cooling the Planet ), which will happen one week later.  This is but the first of many opportunities to get volunteer orientation.

General Meetings of the PFCP

We will commence weekly General Meetings of the PFCP (always on Tuesdays, starting at 2 p.m. Eastern, and always in the same Zoom room, link above).  The first General Meeting will start with introductory statements and presentations by the initiators of PFCP, notably including Professor Guy McPherson.  These presentations will be recorded and uploaded to this YouTube channel.

Goals of a People’s Forum for Cooling the Planet (PFCP)

The goal of A People’s Forum for Cooling the Planet (PFCP) is first and foremost to answer three fundamental questions:

1.  Can we cool our planet in time*?  

2.  If so, how can we accomplish this, technically?

3.  And if we can accomplish this technically, then how do we accomplish the needed full-scale technical implementations politically, culturally, socially, economically, financially, story-wise, media-wise, PR-wise, green energy-wise, and all other relevant dimensions-wise?  (In other words, are we wise enough, as a species, to collectively snap out of our collective delusions, addictions, and associated omnicidal trajectories to pull this off, if indeed it turns out to be feasible technically?  And if so, how . . . including “who does what”, “who pays for it”, “who is informed, consulted, etc.”, and “whose permission / buy-in should we seek for which parts” ?)

*In time for what?  The short answer:  In time to stop, and then reverse the runaway overheating of our planet, and in time to stop the simultaneous runaway destruction of our biosphere (driven mostly, at this point in time, by runaway overheating), including the mass extinction event we are in the midst of.

Beyond the preceding “Big Three” questions, we will delve into myriad of other topics.

Bottom line:  We are setting out to do our part, as humanity (as opposed to "as government" or "as academia", etc.) to cool the planet.  As "the people", that is.

***

Format of A People’s Forum for Cooling the Planet

There are two distinct phases of the format of A People’s Forum for Cooling the Planet (PFCP), as far as your experience of it, as a participant or volunteer:  Phase I and Phase II.  These two Phases are not “sequential phases”, but rather, “phases of your experience”.  You are welcome to jump back and forth between Phases I and II as often as you like, spend as much time as you would like in each Phase, etc.

Phase I:  

Phase I is all about ALL of us (initiators, volunteers, participants, etc.) getting connected, meeting each other, and getting related to each other and to the topic space:  planetary overheating, and its opposite — cooling the planet, and everything related to that undertaking.

Phase I will include:

  • Introductory statements, presentations, and Q&A
  • Q&A with Professor Guy McPherson
  • World Cafe events
  • Other networking and educational opportunities, which will be ongoing, both for newcomers and regulars alike

Phase II:

Phase II consists of an unbounded network of conversations happening in parallel.  Phase II is designed to be as close as possible to the original Forums in ancient Greece and Rome, in which anyone could either listen in on, or participate in, any conversation within the boundaries of the Forum.

There are two major differences between the Forum in ancient Athens, and this PFCP:

1.  Location:  The PFCP takes place on Zoo m, and specific conversations take place within specific breakout rooms, to which all participants have access at all times, just as was the case with the ancient Athens Forum.

2.  Topics:  The conversations in PFCP are focused on all topics (and subtopics, etc.) related to the Big Three questions posed above, as well as the myriad related topics such as these (same link as above):

27 Comments
2024/06/22
03:13 UTC

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Do You Still Go On The Main Sub?

More of a curiosity question. I've been trying to limit my time on there for about a year and a half and I keep spending an unhealthy amount of time on there. But how much time do y'all spend there? Do you go on there at all anymore? Or does it bring you some comfort to get on there which I know for some it does.

Personally I wish I could take a fucking break from it. But I feel like I might miss something if I don't and I've already waste enough precious time on my phone, I feel like I've run out of time to do something different sometimes though. I want to engage with life as much as I can. I've pretty much reached acceptance this is more of a frustration. Maybe I need to get off there completely (not burying my head in the sand mind you), but it's like addiction to all the news and my phone. I know it's a privilege to be able to take a break which makes me feel conflicted on what to do, but I want to engage with my life for however long I've got and staring at my phone is not doing that. I wanna meet people, do things, help out where I can. It's frustrating as hell.

(Also to add, I am not bashing anyone who finds comfort on the main sub. Everyone has a different way they choose to engage with this stuff and deal with it. Just venting a bit)

23 Comments
2024/06/22
02:19 UTC

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I find it funny

That so many people close to me are so paranoid that they are anal about locking doors and being “secure” because they are so scared of other people. I had to borrow some money the other day from family being in a tight spot (I had money in the bank and no way to retrieve it) and even though I live with them And could pay them back in several days, they weren’t comfortable borrowing me a small amount because “it would dip into their savings and that stressed them out.” They make 170k btw.

But can’t be bothered to even admit collapse is a problem. Trying not to lose my fucking mind my dudes.

28 Comments
2024/06/21
20:27 UTC

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Just found out my city made a "Retail Task Force" which is basically a SWAT team that goes and stop shop lifters.

Not only that but the local grocery store now has roving security outside and about 5 or 6 guards walking the aisles. There have been thefts of food and essential items in recent times.

If this isn't a sure sign of collapse, I don't know what is. These guards were never hired before.

People can't afford to eat so they resort to stealing so they won't starve and companies care more about their bottom lines, and governments would rather punish people for starving and poverty than helping them.

57 Comments
2024/06/21
18:19 UTC

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An artist some of you may find comforting.

Hi, I don't really frequent this sub much, but I keep tabs. I spend much more time in /r/Collapse. Still, I think it's more appropriate that I share this here, so here goes.

There's an artist I really enjoy who is somewhat collapse aware, and she touches on it in a few of her songs. I'll also disclaim that she's my personal favourite when it comes to vocalists, for her voice, which is unique. So while I think these songs that touch on collapse lend relevance to share her work here, I think the potential for enjoying her work in the context of coping with collapse extends beyond her songs about this issue. OK enough with the preamble.

I'm going to link to my favourite renditions of songs. There are also studio versions available. YouTube is also a great source for her early work.

The Seed

The quote Aurora paraphrases in this song is frequently misunderstood due to the dishonest way in which it is shared. The 1972 quote originates with Alanis Obomsawin an Indigenous filmmaker from Canada of Abenaki (not Cree but close) descent. Most often we see the quote shown in memes with vague attributions like "Ancient Cree proverb" or other nonsense and it is unfortunately due to sexism.

"Canada, the most affluent of countries, operates on a depletion economy which leaves destruction in its wake. Your people are driven by a terrible sense of deficiency. When the last tree is cut, the last fish is caught, and the last river is polluted; when to breathe the air is sickening, you will realize, too late, that wealth is not in bank accounts and that you can’t eat money."

Exhale Inhale

This song touches on the stress and anxiety of collapse.

And not specifically collapse-related, but one of my favourites. I'll link to a full set as it's the very first track and my favourite rendition of the song. Even if the first two don't grab you, this one might.

Infections of a Different Kind

Another of my very favourites concerns time. It's not judgmental, it just acknowledges how excruciating it can be.

Dance on the Moon and the full set because it's great, too.

And lastly, this one might be most fitting for this sub.

The River

I'll stop now. Just hoping to spread the love, so to speak. Many of her earlier songs deal with death and dying, so they may be of particular interest to people here, too. I'd be pleased to offer more suggestions if they're wanted.

Hang in there and try to have a good weekend.

11 Comments
2024/06/21
17:11 UTC

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How would you explain collapse to the doctors in the realm of grippy socks?

In psych ward. Recurrent alcohol abuse patterns with all the bells n whistles.

During my first doctor visit I done a collapse rant that came off as clumsy babbling.

I'm not great with explanations or staying on tangent (rewrote this post soo many times). Could have pulled out my phone and read that weekly collapse update thing to them.

But in the context of where I am It's pretty easy for them to dismiss claims of "the end is nigh" and dole me out a diagnosis of fuck knows what.

It's not my first rodeo explaining the usual doomerisms to doctors. But I'd at least had a smidgen of hope for a decent future in the back of my head previous times that they could coax out of me.

That hope is completely gone now though, dunno when it left. Future is dire. Suffering and extinction yada yada.

But anyway

Off to rehab next week. Been to several a few times. Mostly longer than 3 months with decent recovery lengths between relapses. Learned much and the foods nice. 5/7. Had many a new rebuilt Me. Optimistic and full of beans!

Most of the recovery stuff is individual focused though. Feels like BP gaslighting individuals as the drivers of climate change through their fucked ad campaign thing. Or not, idk. Probably just me wanting to blame society but i absolutely do fuck myself over through my actions and take full responsibility for my shit.

I just want the possibility of a future back. Fuck this sucks. Fuck. Oh well. Shit happens. Gotta accept i guess.

40 Comments
2024/06/21
09:26 UTC

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Feeling of impending doom

It’s like I’m frozen, just sitting here waiting in limbo for some big event to happen. I can’t shake this feeling of dread that has totally consumed my existence. Nevermind the environment! Our masters have systematically taken all of the fun right out of life, and turned it into this complicated maze of neverending BS all in the name of “progress”. I call it the bureaucracy-ization of everything. The red tape. The bloated administrative processes. The infinite paperwork. The constant hoops you have to jump through to do anything these days. This stuff just sucks up your time and there’s no avoiding it. Worst part? It’s only the beginning.

Also, have you talked to people lately? Atomized and controlled by algorithms leaving them unconnected to their communities. Stuck in their own little bubbles. Angry at the system but taking it out on their neighbors. Petty tyrants everywhere that want to bring you down to their level. Dealing with the public is rarely a pleasant experience anymore. Now, it’s just another chore in our busy self-important lives. What have we become?

And don’t even get me started on the next chapter of this ridiculous American political saga about to go down. That’s where a lot of this sentiment actually stems from I think. Watching in absolute horror as we inch closer and closer to the most pivotal election of our lives. And who are the choices? Joe Biden and Donald Trump...

How do I wake up from a living nightmare?

28 Comments
2024/06/21
01:44 UTC

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I want to start studying collapse, but I'm a bit overwhelmed.

I hate the idea of living in denial or blissful ignorance. A few years ago, my existential crisis occurred as a realisation of the inevitability of collapse. I tried for a few years to sort out my mental health and to some extent i did, but this still hasn't resolved how empty and lost i feel. I feel like I won't be able to truly live in this moment if I don't come to terms with collapse. I want to begin by reading https://collapsewiki.com/ as well as the reading list on r/collapse . However, I still want to learn critical thinking and to remember these texts.

  1. How can I learn critical thinking when studying a topic? This'll be my first piece of independent research as I am 19 and haven't investigated anything else yet

  2. How do I summarise the texts and research I read to be able to remember it or to have it in a note form that can be reffered to easily without having to re read the entire text?

Those who are knowledgeable in the fields of collapse and critical thinking and social analysis, I would really appreciate your advice, as well as anyone's really. Thank you.

28 Comments
2024/06/20
19:00 UTC

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What to make of different theories, approaches, and mindsets when it comes to collapse?

Hello everyone, hope you're doing well.

Time for me isn't necessarily set in stone. There is no official playbook in which humanity is guaranteed a positive outcome in this world as it is. By that same token, there is also no guaranteed negative outcome. I try to keep an open mind, especially as it relates to this.

One thing that bothers me in this phenomenon, this raw visceral torment, is...who is right? By all accounts, looking into past r/collapse posts, especially as it relates to COVID, it is clear that many believed the end of world was at hand. It did not happen, or at least, not a sudden and impactful death of it all. I also see, usually in more conservative and far right places, this idea that what we are experiencing, in regard to climate change, is "normal", and that's it's all just weather. Of course, I try to keep an open mind regardless.

There was also a new subreddit made mention to me, optimistsunite. Whether they take themselves seriously, or desire to make fun of and deride so called "doomers" makes no difference to me. In the end, they believe that the time we are in, is the best that it has ever been for humans on a grand scale. So much so, that the issues brought up by climate change, wars, famines, resources vanishing, over population and a population that is quite old in some countries, and so on, are all ultimately things which will be conquered eventually by technology, breakthroughs, science, and so much more. So who is right? Will the world collapse or no? And if it will, when?

Of course, you have various religions, philosophies, and a plurality of beliefs all consuming and being consumed by the same information. My concern is how much of it is true, how much of it should I take seriously, and how much of it ultimately matters for all. The weaponization of information and the weaponization facts means that what should be fundamental truths, turn into dangerous political games of manipulation.

It does not help that there is the replication crisis, in which many studies and even results are actually not repeatable, which is important in the scientific method, especially as it pertains to reaching the truth. I am currently planning on being a therapist, and the countless medications that have obvious and horrible effects on people, all the while having poor research behind them, astounds me. You can have one medication, an antipsychotic, "proven" to be effective in one study. Then in the next, it fails completely. Other alternative forms to trauma and mental health, like EMDR, IFS, somatic experiencing, dancing, yoga, all work, and are actually demonstrated repeatedly to work. Yet most insurances will not cover it. I'll let you decide why an addicting pill is preferable to permanent treatment. Once you get cbt, which is often used to justify a system of trauma and financial exploitation, you then have the playbook by which the mental health industry ultimately is responsible for the same pathologies that it "claims" to treat.

The reason I bring this up, is because I wonder how much of what we take as truth, especially in light of this subreddit, is actually true. And how much of it is false. And how much of it is simply driven by propaganda. Where history is to be made, propaganda will be made. Where help is to be offered, money will be offered.

I sometimes wonder, looking back at what we have done to this planet, to other animals, to the plants, to our own solar system, in which we have left trash in out orbit, to what we do to each other...do we even deserve a second chance?

I will never forget, when my anthropologist professor once stated, that one pan cultural phenomenon in human beings, is the unique propensity and creativity we have towards being horrifically and violently cruel to one another.

Human nature...cruel, vindictive, unjust. Whole governments being established to prevent individual creatures from gaining power. Yet all governments it seems fail to do this. No government has ever gone for an alternative to this, to address the flaws in human nature. To make all beings truly equal in both body, soul, and mind. If you have a complete and whole human being, who is lucid, knowledgable, and emotionally sound, the needs of government, life, and needs in general, change dramatically. Your needs are the needs of all. To share and be interconnected. Not just between ourselves, but the whole world as it were.

In the end, whenever I'm done writing this, and whenever I am done reading another book, or studying another topic, I am left more confused than I was prior to starting this adventure. I do not feel as though my streams of consciousness musings will warrant any fundamental change in my life, especially since I contemplate ending it.

I wish I could no longer think. I wish I could die. I still could too. The only reason I have not ended my life yet, is because of my puppy that I have. Sweet thing. My family, especially my mom, constantly complain about her, that she does nothing, that she isn't useful. How little do they know that she is the only reason I am alive.

To view any life, and creature by what it can produce...capitalism. evil. I will never understand how we have gotten to this point, of reducing a human being, a micro and macrocosm of the whole of creation, into nothing more than automatons, slaves to our own fictional creations of wealth, power, and prestige.

In the end, I don't find myself fitting into any system. It feels as though as if I'm Caine, wandering through the wandering. I don't know. I am 25 years old, and I feel like an old man on his death bed, barely kept alive by life support. I have my own religious beliefs, and even then I still feel alone isolated, stagnant.

Do I have hope? Probably not, no. Perhaps we can choose to lead humanity away from this darkness. That would be nice. But I do not consider myself a Moshe Rabbeinu to lead in such a task. I like being alone. I like being in nature. I do not like it when I am in the city. I feel the anger, the sadness, the stress. I see the homeless, discarded like dirt, like trash, like they're not even there. I see children abused, people like Genie the feral child. I see the mentally ill, the fosters who age out of the system at 18. These are features, not bugs. The government, the system, and society at large choose this. Why...I do not know.

It's late for me, and in the morning I don't expect to read much in replies here, especially since what I said could be perhaps be the ramblings of a madman. I don't deny being one. I thank you for taking the time to read this.

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2024/06/20
06:47 UTC

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My neighborhood lost power for like the 5th time in two months.

It was super dark, so I sat on the porch, lit a candle, and smoked some weed. It's kinda nice but I can't stop thinking about how it's gonna keep getting worse and worse forever. Happy juneteenth

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2024/06/20
03:06 UTC

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June Deep Adaptation Newsletter

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2024/06/20
02:54 UTC

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Happy Father's day.

I need to rant about my conservative dad. It's not that he's conservative, I have a lot of friends who are conservative but just don't know any better. It's the fact that he's the worst kind of conservative, the kind that blames people of color and single "welfare queen" mothers for his personal problems. The kind that's racist and selfish but still thinks he's a good person. The kind who never admits he's wrong.

I've made an effort to cut toxic people out of my life, it's just better for my mental health but I still feel obligated to give him a call every now and then. I've come to dread it and always feel drained afterwards.

It's so infuriating and I can't help but blame him for how shity my life has been and how shity the world is. I know it's not specifically him but he embodies everything that has lead us to this current predicament. More importantly it's people like him who will keep us embedded in this path and block any progress that could save us. He recognizes that things are bad and getting worse but he's always been a pessimistic bitter individual who would rather bet on the end of the world than make any effort to have a positive impact.

Talking to him completely crushes my spirit and makes me lose any hope for humanity. Mostly because I've been arguing with him my entire life and he never budges, he only gets more racist, more reactionary, more extreme.

I'd like to thank this community for just being here, it's sad but I feel closer to you guys than my own family. Thank you for showing me that there are still decent and intelligent people in this world.

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2024/06/19
02:06 UTC

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The big problem with "community"

I know people are tired of hearing me talk but I keep hearing about how we should focus on community.

Here's my problem with community. It traps you. And since it traps you, it abuses you. Every single person in my life who feels "entitled" to my presence takes advantage of that. "I can be mean to you because you're family", "You have to give us stuff because you're family", "You cannot complain about what we give YOU because you are family", "You have to do what we say because we are family", "We can be petty because we are family".

Now imagine that multiplied over an entire community. And this is the SOFT stuff. Imagine stuff like physical abuse, sexual abuse, you name it. A billion cults and prisons spread all throught the world, filled with weirdos, the different, etc all suffering in silence.

So far every job I ever had treated me better because I can simply walk away. Thats what I fear more than anything: not having the ability to walk away. Keeping my doors open is all I have. I suspect this is why my family is insisting i buy a house, so I can be trapped.

With collapse there is no transportation, no communication, nothing. Just islands of suffering. This is what community means to me. What makes you think is so good?

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2024/06/18
13:47 UTC

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Last Week Tonight covered the American presidential election this Sunday - but John Oliver said something off-topic that really got my attention

Recently LWK covered the 2024 presidential election in the US. The episode itself is worth a watch, as always, but Oliver goes on a tangent about dating apps and it made me pause (the show but also my brain)

Oliver criticized a new dating app specifically for conservatives (and let's be honest, Christian conservatives). He joked that we don't need a new app for that because "as any woman will tell you, go to any guy's profile and if it says Moderate, it means I'm secretly right wing but I wanna get laid".

Oliver is right on the money, but I have noticed the same thing as a guy, and its the main reason that even though I've looked on some apps, I've never met anyone in person.

Girls are just as sneaky. Their profile might claim they're a leftist but 90% of the time they just mean democrat - and the other 10% is just vague expressions that are supposed to imply leftist ideals.

They also end up being far from leftist, but they also wanna get laid. This is rural Kansas, this is what I'm working with.

I mean I get it. We are a lonely culture and these apps weren't designed to bring any sort of true lasting connection, otherwise you'd delete it lol.

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2024/06/18
00:17 UTC

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How do you imagine things get better?

I know it’s important for our mental health to acknowledge reality. And the collapse is breaking over us now. It’s not something that we can pretend might not happen because we are in the midst of it presently.

However, collapse isn’t all or nothing. Humanity, in all likelihood, will wind up in a situation none of us can predict. Whatever is coming, it is far too complex and far too outside our understanding to say with any certainty what the outcome will be.

Total annihilation of life on earth is almost certainly not going to be the outcome.

Collapse of civilization and modernity almost certainly will be the outcome.

The range of possibilities between those two statements which I believe to be well-supported by the evidence, is as vast as the distance between stars.

We all understand that if there had been true leadership and/or the collective will to avoid collapse, we could have had a very desirable outcome in which there was enough for everyone and the biosphere remained intact.

We didn’t get that and it’s absurd and agonizing beyond words

But that middle ground, wouldn’t it still be worth fighting for? Doesn’t every .01% heat rise matter?

When you think about how things could change for the better if only enough people took action, what could that look like? How might the coming chaos be harnessed for the benefit of all living things?

What would you do to change things from a societal-level perspective?

Is there a way to wake people up from their fear-based denial?

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2024/06/17
05:53 UTC

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Side hustles and collapse

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2024/06/17
02:17 UTC

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Literature recommendation: The World Goes On by László Krasznahorkai

Usually the book recommendations in this sub are fact- or advice-based, so I figured it might be good to switch it up and recommend this apocalyptic literature. A book filled with strange, collapse-pilled vignettes that I think would resonate with many of you here. Gave me "collapse support" in a different way from those other kind of books...

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2024/06/16
19:30 UTC

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I literally feel no joy in this hellscape, relate?

Hi folks, ill keep this short but im just wondering if anyone feels the same. I think we all know what's going on around us thankfully.

Yea i just don't get any of this at all, i literally feel nothing towards anything even if its "entertainment" i live frugally and prep in a way. I realised in my teens that objects meant nothing to me.

The business as usual makes me feel sick it's like being in the "They Live" film on steroids, constant consumption of plastic shit just to keep the masses sedated and docile.

They will protest in the streets for things abroad but sit for things that affect them right here and now.

Man i don't see a future, these elite class are borderline pissing me off, these "laws" and "morality" only serve them at the top.

Keep everyone thinking they will go to hell if they even fight back in a "V" way.

All i want is a brotherhood now, a pack. This shit is on us to build, perhaps that is our purpose.

Rant over i guess, sorry its a mess 🤷

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2024/06/16
14:23 UTC

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Beyond Kid-Fear: Relationship Fear

Just like how we fear having kids for the sake of the doomed situation they will grow up to suffer-- Are relationships in general becoming something to be avoided?

If circumstances and quality of life and life itself will become threatened by collapse- how could you fall in love to begin with when the grief of seeing the person you love the most suffer is almost guaranteed? The moment you truly love someone is the moment you suddenly have everything in the world to lose. And everyone is about to suffer.

The only plus side is that maybe teamwork has the possibility of outpacing a solo life, in terms of survival and prosperity.

Otherwise, whats worse? Seeking a friend for the end of the world, or Avoiding a joyful relationship altogether because the grief of their suffering and their loss would make the joy worthless?

Does it depend on the person? Some of us maybe feel joy stronger than we feel grief or vice versa, making the choice easy.

For me, something about collapse awareness made me give up the usual game entirely.

Would love to hear your thoughts. Cheers

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2024/06/16
04:34 UTC

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Heat wave blues

Just fucking sick of these temperature abnormalities. Gonna be like 95 all next week in the fucking northeast. Im chronically ill and heat sensitive and thank god we have AC but am i just never going to be able to go outside? What if AC craps out? Is this just what it’s like now?

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2024/06/16
02:10 UTC

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"Just enjoy the life you have left!" How?

Thing is I am not motivated by the things most people do. When I was a kid, I was endlessly praised as a gifted kid. I dreamed of changing the world. I dreamed of impossible wealth, endless fame.

Now I don't care about that. For the past two decades I knew that we were doomed before I was even born. My main dream now is to make enough money to stick in a bank and no longer have to do anything again in my life. But even that is boring. So what do I do with my life?

My career has hit a wall. I am getting more unproductive by the minute. I can only work if I have tight deadlines and someone telling me what to do. Not a trait that employers value these days. At some point, ChatGPT can do my job. My own family has compared me to it.

I don't care about sex. I have my hand and I don't dare to risk having children.

I don't care about travel. I am afraid I will get mugged, and every time I suggest wanting to go somewhere, my family insists in coming and ruining everything.

I don't care about helping others. I just don't get any pleasure from it. People will simply thank me and leave. I mean nothing to them. I only want to help those who would die for me so I could do that in return.

I don't care about nature. I'm sorry but it's so FILTHY. Just animals eating, killing making each other suffer. The only thing noble about them is that they don't know they are in pain. That's their only quality I envy.

My hobbies are losing their shine. Movies and games are all getting caught in a terrible cycle of just draining money from you. Art is dying thanks to late stage capitalism. Pretty soon there will be no creativity left, just an endless repeat of IP. I don't want to create my own stories. People will probably hate them.

I don't care about religion. I see it as nothing more than a way to make people justify their own horrible nature. Ever notice that with the exception of the coerced and the disturbed people don't join religions that claim their own lives are sinful? People zero in on the aspects of religions that allows them to hate the people that they already hate, not do the things they already don't do and hate the ones that do them? People talk about a God that loves them. I'd rather have a God that hates me and tells me how I can be better, without any irrelevant details about "don't be attracted to this person" "don't eat this thing" etc. Just pure morality based about not harming others. Why have anything else?

The only thing that gives me joy is when I can break through my executive dysfunction (that every professional I go to insists I do not have and that I must be making up since I am so "successful") and make something at my job that gets me a "good job!". Something that proves that I am

In the end, I think I am no better than this monster and the ones he represents. Except my "number" is not money, but grades. Ranks. Anything that shows I am smarter than you. Know more than you. Am better than you. I am polite, I genuinely care about being nice to people, but never in the long term. And even that I wonder if it's another number.

Or maybe I'm like this dude. I also cannot understand not being driven by external validation. I mean, in that case what is the point? If I can simply make up internal validation I can simply say I am enough and stay in my room and rot! Maybe I am pseudo religious because I believe at some point there WILL be a Man With A Stick who will punish you for your failings. Maybe it's a deity, maybe it's vengeful people from the future, maybe aliens, whoever. Or maybe it's my wish for some amount of justice in this world. Honestly, I often wish the system from The Good Place was real. Even if it sent us all to Hell. We deserve it. I would gladly burn and be tortured for all eternity if it was in the service of some entity that is pure justice. I want to suffer at the hands of those with true justified authority, not random would be tyrants or bandits or bullies.

Therapy has not helped me. What do I do?

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2024/06/15
16:44 UTC

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