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Discussion of Esuno Sakae's (the creator of Mirai Nikki/Future Diary) ongoing manga, Big Order.

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  1. Discussions should be in some way or form related to Big Order.
  2. Do not use link shortening services.
  3. NSFW posts must be tagged in the title as NSFW Example: [NSFW]So I just found some pretty Hot Pictures of Ren! <3
  4. If the topic will holds Spoilers please make sure the Title doesn't list the spoiler and label the Title as such. Example: [SPOILER]I still can't believe what happened to Eiji...

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does anyone have a context regarding this scene?!

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2024/06/20
07:22 UTC

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Where does the ova start in the manga?

I have been looking for an answer in yearss I mean I watched the ova and I understood nothing. Eiji just went through multiple time loops or idk... one of them was apparently he slept with rin, I was so confused.

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2021/12/22
05:05 UTC

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I reviewed Big Order (and two other not-so-great works of art) - Is Big Order "So Bad It's Good"?

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2021/10/04
23:31 UTC

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Nsfw did the mc fuck his sister?

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2021/08/02
22:52 UTC

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My thoughts on Big Order and an analysis on Big Order

I've been hearing about how bad this series was and how nothing made sense so recently I gave it a whirl. Surprisingly enough it was actually pretty easy to understand and everything was laid out clearly in the manga.

Gennai's plan was quite easy to understand, he wants to grant Sena her wish, to reunite their whole family together as he stated in chapter 32 and at the same time, having the gate open would simultaneously render her illness null and void as when the gate opens, the spiritual essence would flow from the gate and merge into the physical material world, as stated in chapter 43, and thus simultaneously granting every single wish, as stated in chapter 31 by Daisy, as the spiritual world would take priority over the physical realm when the two world merges. It's stated in chapter 32 that their mother is already dead, so the only way to make them reunite together is if their Mom is somehow brought back to life which can only happen if the gate is opened and the wishes and desires of everyone in the world can be fulfilled and the spirit takes precedence over the physical. Sena states in chapter 39 that the feelings of a great many people will be shaken. Transmitted to the ground they will flow into the ley lines. This was then stated to become the power to force open the door. This means that in order for the gate to be open, it requires a great amount of emotions, spiritual energy to flow directly into the ley lines, a great spiritual disturbance that will force open the gate. It was then shown that in order to fully generate those emotions, the fastest way was complete and utter destruction which will generate enough fear, despair and hatred that those feelings itself will flow into the ley lines and force open the gate. When Sena made her wish, the world was devastated as a result, trying to generate enough spiritual energy to open the gate. However only some of the energy entered into the ley lines as there was nothing guiding it or forcing all the spiritual energy into the ley lines. As a result the gate never fully opened but it did open for a short moment due to the damage from the great destruction which did generate some spiritual energy that flowed into the ley lines but the gate closed almost instantly as mentioned in chapter 29.

It wasn't shown if there was a slower way to open the gate other then causing enough hatred, despair and fear which counts as spiritual energy to force open the gate. However judging by Sena's reaction (where she clearly did not wish for the world to be destroyed and if there was another way to open the gate, it most likely would have been taken instead) after the first great destruction, most likely the only way enough spiritual energy can be generated to open the gate is with another great destruction. This is what Gennai is aiming for, he wants to fulfill the wishes of not only Sena but everyone in the world, and it wouldn't really matter how many people die in the process because once the gate opens, you can simply wish them alive again and it will be like no one ever died.

This is where project pentagram comes into the picture. It is stated that in chapter 24 by Hiiragi that the pentagram encompasses five spiritual locations: Ibukiyama, Ise, Kumano, the Old Ise, and Awaji-Sama and that two shrine maidens from two of these locations are already dead. These five locations form a pentagram which is directly underneath the middle of the ley line that goes from Mount Fuji to Izumo. The entire goal of this project was as described by Gennai himself in chapter 25, to condense the spiritual energies of the five places mentioned above and to release the power of the pentagram to cause a second great destruction. Then enough spiritual energy will be generated (the spiritual energy are the negative emotions that arise from the people who suffered in the second great destruction) which will then be channeled to the gate and it will be enough to force open the gate. Gennai plans to cause the second great destruction by converting spiritual energy (thoughts, wishes, emotions etc) to physical energy. This will be done by using the same technology used by the Hosimiya Institute before the first great destruction: transformer coils. Unlike Hiiragi, Gennai was focused on large scale transformer coils. These coils can, as stated by Hiiragi in chapter 45, convert mental energy into physical energy. Gennai essentially created a super large scale transformer coil in order to convert large amounts of spirit energy into physical energy and plans to release it, essentially causing a second great destruction. This was stopped when the gate was destroyed by Nehara's order and not enough spiritual energy was generated so only a small place was destroyed.

Gennai also started to kill the shrine maidens as part of his plan, and later when Benkei was looking at the shrine maiden's dead body, he stated in chapter 32 that with this all the locations at the tips of the pentagram are unleashed. This suggests that the shrine maidens actually restrain the spiritual energy and prevent it from accumulating and interfering with the material world. Therefore in order to convert all the spiritual energy into the physical energy, the shrine maidens in these five locations have to die.

Sena was later plugged into something that will drain her life essence and open the gate. Sena is most likely used as the catalyst for this whole thing. As stated in chapter 30, when she was plugged in, the flow of the spiritual energies of the pentagram were all connected to Sena and she is the key which will help to inject the spiritual energy into the gate. Sena has immense spiritual energy as seen when she devastated the whole world ten years ago, the strength and power of her wish was very impressive that the scale of the devastation was extremely large so Sena most likely can channel all the spiritual energy of the five locations forming the pentagram, it's quite likely that anyone else's wish will have a much smaller destruction. Gennai, knowing this, decides to connect Sena to the gate and the transformer coil and uses her spiritual energy to help in guiding the spiritual energy to convert into physical energy with the transformer coil, and then aid in guiding the resulting spiritual energy from the second great destruction (the spiritual energy is the hatred, despair and fear that was formed from the second great destruction which flows in the ley lines) to the gate which will flood open the gate. Later on when Hiiragi reveals his own transformer coil, it was revealed that it had a control unit DAISY which was attached to it, this was shown in chapter 45. This leads me to believe that Sena is also connected to the transformer coil as a control unit, to help guide the spiritual energy and convert it to the physical energy to ensure that the great destruction is executed properly. In chapter 38, Sena did also mention that she knows the gate isn't destroyed because she was also previously connected to the gate which meant that Sena was also connected to the gate.

I think I've covered what probably confused most people who were watching the anime, as it wasn't explained as well in the anime like the manga. Sena's plan should be easy enough to grasp for anyone who read the manga, it was essentially she was painting herself as the villain to create a world her brother Eiji can live in. Sena is essentially still the catalyst for her attempt in opening the natural gate of Mount Fuji, this was due to her previous connection to the gate and the ring Sena has, and in her attempt to cause the third great destruction, she will use the ring around her neck and will channel all the spiritual energy gathered from others towards the opening of the gate by converting it into physical energy. Unlike her father though, Sena instead plans on triggering a great destruction by ramming a train equipped with a 10 Tonne- bomb into a mountain and causing a great explosion which will generate enough spiritual energy. Sena's plan is a lot more reckless then Gennai but it was also faster.

For this manga, forgetting a single detail will probably lead to you not understanding the rest. Every single detail is important in this manga.

Thoughts on anime vs manga:

I feel like overall the manga covered things a lot better, and also has a much different tone then the anime. The anime seems much more humorous then the manga. Especially with the wire raping of Rin in the first episode which never happened in the manga. The anime also only covered half of the manga while cutting out some important monologues in the manga like Eiji thinking to himself, that he wants to earn the Group of Tens' trust and their respect instead of enslaving everyone to his will. Eiji is also much smarter in the manga, and while he still does dumb things I found that they made overall a lot more sense to his character.

The main characters, Rin and Eiji also seem quite different. Rin in the first two chapters is much more analytical, seeing the ground changing into Eiji's domain and she is much more quick witted, and takes more risks, willing to blow herself up with a grenade just to push herself out of Eiji's domain and prevent herself from getting controlled unlike the anime when she didn't do anything. Rin is able to dodge the cars Eiji throws at her, while simultaneously keeping an eye on the ground and avoiding Eiji's domain. She did lose to Eiji in the end but it wasn't nearly as one-sided as the anime showed it to be. Rin is also a lot less psycho (at least that was my impression of her) in the manga then the anime.

Eiji also seems a lot less OP in the manga and he is a lot more knowledgeable on how orders work. Instead of in the anime when he tried to control the stone god and found out it didn't work because his order couldn't control avatars, Eiji already knows that fact in the manga and didn't try to control the stone god. Eiji is still prone to failure, and sometimes he moves by reflex and does panic sometime however he does seem to act according to his own morals, and only compromises his morals when Sena is in danger or needs help. Eiji is also a lot more cautious, he doesn't like using his power and doesn't want to hurt people with his power so he typically refrains from using it which was shown in chapter 1 and 2. During the Hiroshima arc in the manga, Eiji didn't start off by controlling the gangs, he is much more careful of his identity being revealed as other people like the UN already knows his powers and Eiji has no idea how far this knowledge had spread and so it makes sense that he would be much more careful when dealing with unknowns considering the fact that the whole world hates him. He doesn't want to kill anyone but he also doesn't want to be killed. I would say that this is a pretty smart move considering Eiji's situation and his morals.

Rin on the other hand, is much more moral and she also gets along with Sena much more. In the anime Sena pretty much told Rin that Sena would never hand Eiji to Rin while in the manga, Sena told Rin to forget about Sena herself and that Rin should just run for it. Rin thinks to herself that she will come to save Sena which is definitely not how it was presented in the anime. Rin overall is much more cunning and cautious too, loyal to no one in particular. She was willing to backstab the group of ten if their actions goes against her own morals. This was shown in the Hiroshima arc, when Rin kidnapped that little girl who can neutralize nukes and essentially was bringing the girl back to her family. Rin seemed a lot more moral in the manga then the anime and she wasn't nearly as psycho in episode 1 when compared to chapter 1. The anime cut out virtually the whole Hiroshima arc, leaving only the beginning and the end, while the manga showed more of what these characters think. I had heard that Rin was compared to Yuno from Future Diary, but the two characters behave completely differently. There are times where Rin is ruthless, and I don't think she enjoys killing but she also behaves in a moral manner most of the time.

Other comments:

Overall I thought the series was pretty well done, it definitely has a bad reputation but after putting some thought into it I thought it was pretty clear what the character's motivations were, what their plans were. So in the end I give it a 8/10. It's hard for a manga to actually hook me in on chapter 1 like this one did and I'm really glad that it just jumps into the action in chapter 1, I'm not a fan of slow progression for stories.

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2021/05/05
19:25 UTC

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I thought it was something decent but I was disappointed enough to stop midway through the anime(episode 5)

Waw this anime sucks. Like holly shit, how do you watch this?
Is there an invisible wall I can't see stopping him from using his powers to his full extent( of one thousandth) ?
Why don't you order hiiragi from using his powers against you ? why don't you order them to tell you their plans ?
I see this sub reddit was created in 2013, so I would guess the anime diverges around the end considering it's a monthly manga series. I am currently on episode 5 and it's this bad.
An order who is capable of erasing nukes(don't quote me on this). How convenient. Introduced concept of danger and erased in the next episode or so.

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2021/02/14
18:47 UTC

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help finding Sakae Esuno's other works.

Does anyone know where I can find an English scanlation of Sakae Esuno's latest completed work, 'Tantei Akechi wa Kyōran su'? I scoured the internet but could only find the raw Japanese or translations into Spanish or German.

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2020/11/13
02:32 UTC

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I read earlier that the anime strays from the manga.

Where in the anime does it stop being canon and where do I continue reading?

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2020/10/23
22:34 UTC

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Anyone still on here?

Spoilers

This place pretty dead. But anyways just finished the anime, honestly pretty good. But I have a question so at the end when the Eiji wishes for a world where Sena could be happy. Did it just put the world back to normal or did it create another universe just like what Gannai and Daisy were talking about? Another universe where they win but their original one was still changed by “her” or if they said god to where everyone could have their wishes granted? I only ask because one it seemed like it was way to happy of an ending, I like a good happy ending and all... but idk the world seemed to have just believed Eiji and forgave him pretty fast.

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2020/06/17
11:55 UTC

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Is this series Finished?

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2020/05/23
09:40 UTC

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Just watched this show and its amazing!

I get that the series are old and this sub is pretty dead but i decided to post anyways...

This show got me hooked. Altough the OVA seemed to me like a complete mindf*ck and I could not get a grasp of what was going on. Anyone could give me some insights about the OVA?

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2020/05/19
05:13 UTC

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Big Order Made Shorter Playlist

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2020/05/11
00:01 UTC

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Eiji's Power Limitations

When Eiji is restricted to 1/1000th of his original power, does that ever get reversed?

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2018/03/03
02:15 UTC

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Big Order Anime

I started watching Big Order out of nowhere not knowing anything about it. But, when I started the series off by watching the OVA before the anime itself I was like "WTF" is this shit. But as, I started watching the anime I started liking it but gradually changed towards loving it. I started liking the characters with Eiji and Iyo and Kurenai.

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2017/07/16
19:03 UTC

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Song name in episode 5

Does anyone know the name of the song that plays in episode 5 at around 17:00?

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2017/03/02
04:24 UTC

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Big Order Review

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2016/09/26
23:31 UTC

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Episode 4 power definitions? (Spoiler?)

Either his true power got lost in interpretation or something cause so far non of this show makes sense. Its like the manga creator give him a really OP "be god wherever you stand" and then either forgot about it or chose not to use it. Couldn't he just order the nuke to not detonate, order the civilians to not hate him, order the rock god to just stop existing? I don't get it, the power is so vague that you think it would be able to do anything yet it ends up doing nothing, except making a "wall of air pressure".

If his power is meant to be a more defined thing or if I have misunderstood it in some way then please inform me.

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2016/05/06
19:25 UTC

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Me after watching Episode 3

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2016/05/01
04:03 UTC

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My Only One Concern for this upcoming anime adaptation

The Only concern I have with Big Order anime is that the Manga is not finished I'm Kinda worried that this will only stick to the manga for a certain point then go off the rails and go anime only but The Future Diary Anime was made a year after the Manga finished and took 4 years for the Manga to finish however Big order is comming upon 4 years as well I have no knowledge of Big Order never read a Manga Chapter so I have no Idea if it is close to ending or not for example Fullmetal alchemist Manga was almost Finished when Fullmetal Alchemist Brother hood's first episode came out I just Hope this Anime Does not turn into a Deadman Wonderland or a Akame Ga Kill OR will this be a 12 Episode anime then get a 12 Episode Season 2 or what? as far as I know studio Asread Anime Studio behind Future Diary and Big Order has not made any Anime Only Endings

What are your thoughts on this matter?

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2016/01/05
00:27 UTC

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Big Order 2016 OVA Offical Ending Song

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2016/01/02
23:15 UTC

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A bundled OVA with the Limited Edition of the eight volume releases on October 3rd in Japan

The hype is real boys! Let's hope it gets a full series as a follow-up.

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2015/02/24
22:41 UTC

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[NSFW]This is a Proper Way to Tag a NSFW Post!

So um... I say Eiji wear Swimming Flippers at the HQ... That is Totally NSFW... How did he even not get caught wearing them!?!

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2015/01/23
04:20 UTC

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