/r/assyrian
A platform for both native and non-native speakers of the Assyrian language and its various dialects to discuss the plethora of dialects under the umbrella of the Assyrian language.
ܫܠܡܐ ܥܠܘܟܘܢ - Shlamalokhon - Peace be Upon You!
Assyrian (commonly referred to as Syriac) is the language spoken by the modern day Assyrian people and is natively spoken in what constitutes Assyria (Northern Iraq, South-Eastern Turkey, North-Western Iran and North-Eastern Syria).
The Assyrian language is classified into two dialects belonging to the Eastern Aramaic family and includes the Western Syriac dialect of Turoyo and the Eastern Syriac dialect of Northeastern Neo-Aramaic (NENA).
This subreddit also serves as a platform to discuss the Akkadian, Aramaic and Syriac languages which have heavily influenced the modern Assyrian Aramaic language.
At r/Assyrian, we promote the Assyrian language to everyone across the world who is interested in learning the Assyrian language. Feel free to ask any questions.
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RinyoTunes - Cartoon channel designed to educate children in Syriac
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Sub Rules.
be somewhat nice.
no new accounts unless you are asking language questions
follow sitewide rules, and dont block people for disagreeing with you.
/r/assyrian
Hi, I’m a singer who is studying the language conversationally. My mother was adopted by Assyrians, and since my grandparents died when I was young, I thought learning the language would be a good way to try and connect with that side of my family.
A local performing arts company is doing a concert, and since I’m learning the language, they’ve asked me to find a song in Assyrian to sing. The biggest problem is that I need sheet music I can give to a pianist, and I’m finding almost no options. Does anyone know where I can find some good sheet music? (at a reasonable price)
Do Assyrians consider her one of their own? Aren’t Chaldeans and Assyrians the same but separated by religion?
Shalamalukhun, just wanted to say be very careful there is someone lurking on these sites who has bad intentions for our community.
They keep making these baseless and very generalised and exaggerated claims about us and portraying us as this very uneducated and very toxic, very ignorant and backwards people.
I understand our community has problems and it is very sad that some people have had negative experiences or feel left out. Though making generalised and misleading claims and throwing your own people under the bus is not the solution to our problems.
I am actually as an Assyrian very offended by some of what was said, such the endless hatred and insults towards both Assyrian men and women.
The community I grew up in was one of kindness and love and very supportive. There is nothing wrong with our culture or religious beliefs and I don’t like racist attempts to portray us as backwards or uneducated.
The overwhelming majority of the men and women in our community are great people.
In a time where we have many divisions due to sectarian differences and tribal differences we do not need more unnecessary division.
It is okay to marry outside the community and if you have I am happy for you, though attempts to discourage or portray marrying other Assyrians as wrong or bad is misleading, divisive and destructive.
It doesn’t take any effort to be kind or understanding to other people especially other people in our community, it’s easy to give in to feelings of anger or resentment based on bad experiences. Though this can cloud judgement and wrongfully throw everyone in the same basket when most people are not like that.
The nature of the content i saw is not designed to unite but to divide, that is the end result of that narrative.
Regardless of our political views, gender, religious beliefs, age, personality or interests at the end of the day we are all apart of the same community.
As an oppressed and marginalised people we do not need to make life hard for each other but should be building each other up.
That is all I have to say.
Shlama. I am doing research for an upcoming project and am interested in the Assyrian pantheon and Mesopotamian mythology. I've found lots of books on the subject matter, however, I want to stay away from problematic authors. For example, authors who question the continued existence of our people, etc.
Any names I should stay away from? Any names I should look into? I want to fully vet my sources as best as I can.
Baseema!
Hi All,
Wondering what the English names are for the two card games "kon-kan" and "mas-tar". I've found a game call Conquain but not sure if that's the one we play. It's been like 20+ years since I've played either.
Thanks
25yr old female… I speak Assyrian very well but not fluently (I’m learning again), I dance better than all of you 🥰🫶🏽, cook even better. I’m half Cumeta half Urmygneta… this is what I go through in 2024
Should I? Is it worth learning, I feel ill never use it.
What is the difference between West Syriac and East Syriac?
Professor Michael Wingert 215 Likes 3,308 Views Oct 14 2024 #aramaic
#assyrian
#syriac
"West Syriac and East Syriac are two major dialects of the Syriac language, which is itself a form of Middle Aramaic. These dialects evolved in distinct geographic and ecclesiastical settings, with West Syriac primarily used in modern-day Southeast Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, and the Holy Land, whereas East Syriac is associated with regions of Iraq and Iran. West Syriac became the liturgical language of the Syriac Orthodox Church and other related Christian groups, while East Syriac was used by the Church of the East and its offshoots"
"The most noticeable difference between the two dialects lies in their pronunciation. In West Syriac, the Aramaic /ā/ vowel shifted to /o/, as seen in the pronunciation of the word for God, which is Aloho in West Syriac and Alaha in East Syriac. East Syriac retained older vowel pronunciations, staying closer to classical Aramaic phonology. In addition, West Syriac often pronounces the letter "taw" (ܬ) as /th/, whereas East Syriac keeps a more conservative pronunciation of this consonant"
"Another distinction is found in the scripts used by the two traditions. West Syriac employs the Serto script, which is more cursive and rounded, while East Syriac uses the Madnhaya script, a more angular style that remains closer to the classical Estrangelo form shared by both traditions in earlier periods. These script differences reflect the varying liturgical and cultural environments in which each dialect developed"
"Both dialects were shaped by their interactions with surrounding Aramaic dialects. West Syriac evolved under the influence of Western Aramaic, particularly in the Levant, leading to notable phonetic shifts. In contrast, East Syriac, spoken in Mesopotamia, maintained stronger ties to Eastern Aramaic and was influenced by Persian and other eastern languages"
"Today, both dialects continue to be used in liturgical contexts, although West Syriac is more common in Syria and Lebanon, and East Syriac is preserved in Iraq, Iran, and parts of India. However, the modern usage of East Syriac faces challenges due to political and religious upheavals in the region."
"In essence, the split between West Syriac and East Syriac reflects broader religious and cultural divides within the early Christian world, with each dialect preserving distinct elements of the broader Aramaic language family."
"NOTE: In some traditions, the ܪܒ݂ܵܨܵܐ ܐܲܪܝܼܟ݂ܵܐ, rḇāṣā ʾărīḵā is known as the ܙܠܵܡܵܐ ܦܫܝܼܩܵܐ, zlāmā pšīqā and the ܪܒ݂ܵܨܵܐ ܟܲܪܝܵܐ, rḇāṣā karyā is known as the ܙܠܵܡܵܐ ܩܲܫܝܵܐ, zlāmā qašyā."
#syriac #aramaic #assyrian
Hi I was wondering if anyone could translate this for me? I think it might be in Persian but I’m not sure. Thanks 🩷
I'm currently travelling in the Tur Abdin region and sharing daily on X my findings and impressions. Once I come back I can do an AMA if the subreddit is interested.
Hello everyone, I came across a book by someone named Mlle Chaumont who states, “it is well known that the term "nasraya is the usual designation of Christians in the Aramaic-speaking Churches.’ I did further investigation in dictionaries of certain Aramaic dialects such as Syriac and read that apparently the term “Nasraya” (Nasoraean) in the Syriac dictionaries it is stated that nasraya means, among other things, 'Christian'. Since I do not know Syriac, is it possible for someone to transliterate the words that are in Syriac into English that have been translated as Nazarene? Below is a photo attached from the book, “A Compendious Syriac Dictionary” by Payne Smith.
Also does anyone know Aramaic (non Mandaic) sources that call Christians “Nasraya” (not Nazoraeans)? Thanks
Hello, I came across a text in a couple of books that apparently in the book Julian Romance on page 146, there is a line where the Pagan inhabitants Harrän feared that when Julian will leave their town, "the dark night of Nasrayuii" could fall upon them. I was looking after the Nasrayuii in the text and below I have attached page 146 which is supposedly where the term "Nasrayuii" and I was wondering if anyone can point out which sentence it is in because I don't know an ounce of Syriac. If the term "Nasrayuii" does not occur in here, then does anyone know where it occurs in the text? Thank you.
https://archive.org/details/iulianosderabtru0000juli/page/n127/mode/2up?view=theater
Maintaining the culture is a priority for many Assyrians. If you are opposed to your child marrying a non-Assyrian, would you cut ties with them if they did so? Is culture more important than family?
I keep on hearing that the numbers of Assyrians are decreasing. Is that because Assyrians aren’t having children?
Growing up in America, I heard horrendous stories about close relatives ostracizing family members who chose to marry non-Assyrians.
What kind of monster disowns their own siblings and blood kin because they chose to marry somebody from outside of the culture? And to think that these people consider themselves Christians, is even more abhorrent.
Xenophobia (hatred of “outsiders”) has no place in any culture. And those who align themselves with this type of ethno-nationalism, shouldn’t be surprised when they notice that their numbers are decreasing.
Hello
I want some history Books that talk's about Assyrian history
Hello all. I'm an English man, 18 years old. I have a very devout perspective on my Catholic faith, and recently I began to talk to an Assyrian woman (aged 20) in Dohuk, Kurdistan. She's very proud of her heritage and also very religious. She's complimented me a lot and espouses how she finds me attractive. I have heard, however, that marrying into an Assyrian community is virtually impossible or otherwise extremely hard.
I do think that the distance we have from each other is a reason to believe she wishes the long term for us, however I have heard that Assyrian women can engage in short term relationships (not something I'm interested in) or that some Middle Eastern people engage in this sort of behaviour for the sake of a visa, or even that parental objections pose an obstacle to her marrying outside of her ethnic background. May God forbid these to become reality, I do see a future with her.
These worries have haunted me for a little while and I'm looking for advice. Is this pairing feasible, will marriage be something that happens after a long time or rather something that I should be looking forward to after just a few visits? She speaks basic English and I know some Arabic, although my next steps are to learn the script properly and probably later in life to learn her dialect of Syriac. I have always been interested in Christian and Pre-Islamic Middle Eastern cultures.
May God preserve you in His infinite mercy. Thank you all in advance.
Hello, I am looking for the corret way(s) to say and write ofc "Divine will" or "God's will"
There are more variations like "Sebyonokh d'Alaha" or "Sebyonokh Alaha", "Sebyonokh Alahiya" or "Re'yana d'Alaha" or "Mutsa d'Alaha" would somebody be able to explain the difference to me?
I kno wnothing, but I am most inclined towards ܨܒܝܢܟ ܐܠܗܝܐ and ܨܒܝܢܟ ܕܐܠܗ