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Why is it the Canadian Army but the Royal Canadian Air Force?

Sorry is this is a better question for r/canada but what’s the story behind how the “Royal” applies to the CAN navy and Air Force but somehow the Army is not “Royal”?

8 Comments
2025/02/02
00:52 UTC

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Why is the F-14s RADAR designated AWG and not APQ/APG?

It is interesting to me that the F-14 seemingly had its RADAR designated as a Fire Control Computer and not Piloted Aircraft Fire Con. RADAR. I heard from this video that it was something to do with the control of the selection of weapons being integrated to the RADAR? But even then the F-4 still had the FCS with the AWG designation and the actual RADAR with the APG one. So why the AWG for the Tomcat?

1 Comment
2025/02/01
21:37 UTC

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What was the reason behind decline of Imperial Spanish army and navy?

Is it simply because Spanish economy was weakened by constant wars, and overflow of silver and gold from America?

1 Comment
2025/02/01
17:39 UTC

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How useful is an ineffective army supplementing a modern well trained one historically and in the present? Particularly looking at WW2.

Not a military expert here but take a lot of interest in WW2. Primarily learned through Indy Nidels WW2 week by week and some supplemental research,

One of the most fascinating things I’ve learned is the contribution level of minor powers on the axis side during WW2. I have always known Italy was a disaster in WW2 but the contributions in troops from minor, “ineffective” countries was pretty massive between Italy, Romania, Hungary, etc.

Most sources on this topic will talk about these minor countries military disasters. The collapsing flanks at Stalingrad, Italys ineptitude in Africa and Greece, and so on.

While a lot of these countries definitely performed poorly due to leadership, training, equipment and so on, I am really curious if despite these failures they are actually a net negative for a strong modern fighting force like Germany in WW2.

While the collapse at the flanks happened due to Germans poor allies getting steamrolled, the alternative is pulling German divisions from somewhere to man this front. Is this really a better situation for Germany? Is Germany better off replacing substandard Italian units in Africa with German ones?

Really bad militaries historically have been crushed by smaller numbers but I can’t shake the idea that hundreds of thousands of troops no matter the quality can still point a rifle and kill you all the same. This is very apparent on DDay where substandard units racked up plenty of casualties at Omaha beach with MG 42s. It made no difference to the soldiers on that beach that these were not top German units. On some level having these militaries manning quieter fronts should free up German units to be concentrated more where they are needed. One of the biggest disasters for Germany imo was also Romania leaving the war which just disintegrated the Southern front.

So the politics aside like Italy pulling Germany into Greece, were having these poor units useful to them from a pure warfare standpoint? What about other conflicts? North Korean troops in Ukraine come to mind in a modern example and question relevant to how useful smaller worse equipped countries are to the US in a conflict.

1 Comment
2025/02/01
15:28 UTC

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"Degraded Soviet Avionics" in Export planes

What is specifically meant when people talk about degraded avionics in soviet export planes? is it a slower processor, removed bombing modes, lack of a specific radio or datalink?

9 Comments
2025/02/01
13:46 UTC

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Is the F35B underappreciated for the context it's developed in?

The F35B is routinely criticized as having insufficient fuel, reduced takeoff weight, and a complicated mechanical complexity. All of that is very true.

But from the perspective of the US Navy and Marine Corps, don't they now have a 5th generation VTOL fighter? And because logistics and cash are a specialty of the United States, couldn't we say that it's benefits and limitations are in that context? "Just" throw more tankers and mechanics at the problem.

Wouldn't I rather have an F35 and all the headaches it entails than 2 F18s? Probably not for my whole air fleet but as part of a hi-low I would think it greatly enhances the capability of my fleet than just more hornets

68 Comments
2025/02/01
12:57 UTC

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Do European armies have the legal authority to deploy on national soil during peacetime?

So I know the French and Belgians deployed troops after the terrorist attacks a decade ago. But for them and other European armies, how easy legally is that to do? Wouldn't such a rope be allocated to law enforcement already?

55 Comments
2025/02/01
11:04 UTC

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What were the major accomplishments/celebrated events of the Australian and New Zealand military during the Second World War?

7 Comments
2025/02/01
10:59 UTC

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How does a hollow square work while advancing in melee?

I recently watched a documentay on the Battle of Toutoberg Forrest and the subsequent roman campaigns into Germania, and a few times the romans deployed into a hollow square, in which they would advance while in melee with the germans. How does that work?

2 Comments
2025/01/31
19:32 UTC

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How artillery in WWI inflicted casualties exactly?

I mean as far as do I know radios were not reliable enough to provide dynamic fire support via scout planes as in WWII therefore intercepting supplies and reinforcements of enemy that way was not feasible. Intense artilllery bombardment against fortified positions could inflict casualties by destroying fortifications but that way you simply were making no man's land larger and attempting to seize that groundmeant you still had to deal with remaining defenders and then be bombarded by enemy artillery inside already demolished positions. Were defenders due to stress of long term bombardment mentally snapeed and ran away from shelters to get pulverized, were both sides employing artillery fire with irregular frequency like 30 minutes of bombardment , 15 minutes of pause, then 10 minutes of bombardment, then 3 minutes of pause hoping that enemy would either flee/retreat from the position or send there supply and reinforcments and then get unlucky get shelled by infrequent artillery fire? Were scout planes uafter locating large units of enemy in open used flares to signal their approcimate position? I mean most of dead and wounded were due to artillery and mortars.

7 Comments
2025/01/31
10:38 UTC

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German armored half-tracks

Did Germans consider simplifying / adopting simpler half-tracks? Sdkfz 251 used Clectrac-type steering in addition of the wheel steering, it used track links with 15 different parts, and interleaved roadwheels.

Germans made an armored version of Maultier for the Neberwerfer carrier, why not use the simpler platform for armored half-track for the Panzergrenadiere?

5 Comments
2025/01/31
20:07 UTC

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Trucks/lorries of World War 2. Were the french ones top notch?

TLDR avaliable at bottom

France was obviously a pionéering nation when it came to automobiles, but they're forgotten in that regard when it comes to lorries and especially their military potential in World War 2. The US 2.5 tonne truck gets a lot of glory rightfully, and is generally considered the most important truck of the war. But from what I understand, it wasn't entirely without it's rivals.

The french Citroën U23 for instance, was a bit lighter, but was renowned for it's reliability, while also having a rather small 2 litre engine that managed to produce 70 hp. Better than any rival in it's class afaik. Infact, my old ford from '83 has a 2 litre engine that made 88hp (in '83, supposedly). Other trucks like the Opel Blitz used different engines that all had much larger displacement and less power. I think I can skip the soviet ones.

Moving on to the heavy Citroën T45, it seems down right remarkable. Loading over 4 tonnes and well known for it's reliability (unless operated by germans, for some reason, like much french equipment) it must have been one of the sturdiest things around at the time.

To make my rambling inquiries short I will make a TLDR:

Were french trucks leading up to world war 2 awesome, or am I missing something?

14 Comments
2025/01/31
18:49 UTC

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Have modern militaries ever used magic?

There are volumes about magic being used for offensive purposes in antiquity.

And there there is also information about the CIA working with remote viewing, and astral protection, etc.

Has a modern or relatively modern state ever tried to use sorcery or magic or astral protection like the CIA was doing for military purposes?

84 Comments
2025/01/31
13:40 UTC

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Israeli evaluation of BMP

What opinion did Israelis have after evaluating captured BMPs? Did they use or mod them like they did with captured T-series of tanks?

1 Comment
2025/01/31
09:38 UTC

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Why were submachine guns so widespread in WW2?

Let me preface this by saying I’m far from a war history/weapons expert, but it seems to me submachine guns usage was at its peak in WW2, but became a very niche weapon type afterwards that is really only used by police or some SOF guys for specific tasks. Was this by design or just what was available at the time? I just don’t see the benefit of issuing a soldier a weapon that’s really only useful to about 50-100m or so, when you could just give them a full power rifle and extend the range they can engage the enemy.

44 Comments
2025/01/30
22:52 UTC

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Branded for worthlessness in the Union army

A (non-academic) book in my collection discusses branding as a military punishment in the Union and Confederate armies: "Branding [...] remained legal throughout the war. Deserters were branded, usually on the forehead, cheek, hand, or hip, with the first letter of their crime: 'D' for deserter, 'C' for cowardice, 'T' for thief, or 'W' for worthlessness. Not all branding was done with hot irons; indelible ink was often used instead" (Philip Katcher: The American Civil War Source Book. London 1993, p. 106).

What does "worthlessness" mean in this context?

A severe punishment like branding seems appropriate for a man who is deliberately being useless and is sabotaging his unit through weaponized incompetence. If you have someone whose behavior is lowly and undignified, who is an emberrassment to his commanders and who drags down the other men in his unit, then I could also see why they would perhaps punish him in such a grisly way. However, branding definitely seems excessive as a punishment for the guy who is willing but unable, the guy who is doing his best but simply doesn't hack it.

I don't have access to the Articles of War or to other relevant documents from the era so I can't look up the definition of "worthlessness" there.

Also... apologies for the shameless repost!

11 Comments
2025/01/31
04:02 UTC

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Infantry or tanks

MODERN ERA Does infantry or tanks lead a attack on a enemy position? Are infantry only attacks still common?

5 Comments
2025/01/31
03:18 UTC

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Why Weren’t the Cap Arcona and Wilhelm Gustloff Considered for the Carrier Emergency Program?

Hello everyone,

I just had a question. As part of the Carrier Emergency Program, Germany tried to use all possible suitable ships for conversion into aircraft carriers. Among them were three passenger ships: Europa, Gneisenau, and Potsdam.

However, at that time, Germany still had other similarly large ships, such as the Bremen or the later-sunk Cap Arcona and Wilhelm Gustloff.

Especially the Bremen seems to me to be a particularly suitable candidate. It has the Blue Ribbon, so it has good speed, and had to be overhauled anyway due to fire damage. So you can convert it straight away.

They were large passenger liners, and Germany was clearly in desperate need of makeshift carriers. So, what were the main reasons why they weren’t considered for this program?

I’m curious to hear your thoughts!

19 Comments
2025/01/30
20:01 UTC

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Ship boarding and Modern Ship Boarding

Ok so first off, I don't know anything about the US Navy, their doctrine, ships/boats, nothing. So I ask you give me some leniency.

Ship boarding was obviously much more common in the 16th-18th centuries and even before.

Does ship boarding still happen?

Is it a viable tactic in the modern world?

Why is it less common now?

Does the US Navy have a special unit or have an MOS that specifically fit for ship Boarding?

Are there any modern examples of ship boarding?

41 Comments
2025/01/30
15:57 UTC

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SANDF Doctrine

How did the SANDF adapt its doctrine and force structure post-1994 with the integration of MK, APLA, IFP, and Bantustan militaries into the existing SADF? From what I've read (Scholtz's history of the Border War and De Vries' book on African warfare) the SADF was an advocate of a western-style military approach which emphasised maneuver and shock action (which usually came by the means of an indirect approach and was largely based on the theories of Liddell-Hart). This is in contrast with those who served in MK who were very soviet-minded and adopted verbatim Soviet conventional doctrine when fighting in Angola and failing to implement a Castroian "Foco" type of guerilla war when in South Africa proper.

1 Comment
2025/01/29
18:24 UTC

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Finished Sean McFates The new rules of war, what next?

I recently finished Sean McFate’s The New Rules of War.

It’s definitely cause a shift in how I view the world and geopolitics.

Some key takeaways that I found significant.

States don’t operate by the same interpersonal morals or values that we do as individuals.

ALL conflict is an extensions of politics.

The Westphalian system isn’t how the whole world works.

Many different types of entities like states, terrorist groups, cartels equally compete in politics.

War and peace are on a spectrum and not absolutes.

Most states are fragile, some are in name only.

Mercenaries are back in style.

I thought Clausewitz was the only way to wage war until I learned about Sun Tzu and Mao.

Im not sure what this domain is even called (strategy, politics, war?), but I want to learn more about it. What would be a good follow on book to continue down this learning path?

23 Comments
2025/01/30
07:19 UTC

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Was there ever a European army in age of musket/bayonet line infantry that employed light infantry tactics as the default?

My whole life - I can't help but think. What if they're allowed to duck? what if their officers don't make them stand during the enemy volley. They're right there- you can see them. Take prone position like modern soldiers.

But this is how riflemen or some special light infantry regiments fought. But mostly they had to stand there and eat it.

I understand that you needed a bayonet wall to protect from cavalry charges. But maybe there is a scenario where you're in a forested area or you know the enemy doesn't have cavalry or you are in a city or something where you are using the environment to nullify cavalry.

It just seems like such a good idea to me.

Just like it seems like a good idea to give someone incindiary weapons even in a light infantry style battle.

Grenadiers were called this because they had grenades, it was just phased out over time, so i heard. I know it wasn't good back then but if all your enemies are marching in lines and have smoothbore there are so many fucking weapons you couuld usee which are so much better than a smoothbore and bayonett even by period technologies. The Byzantines figured it out with greek fire - why could no one else figure out how to make bigger weapons that making their men stand up during receiving volleys was the smartest possible move?

I also don't understand why men wouldn't be armed with large numbers of pistols.

Imagine you have 100 men armed with 10 single shot pistols each, trained to take cover when receiving the enemy volley. Then they close distance and, standing 8 feet away, shoot everyone before ever getting close enough to be reached by the bayonetts.

Is it just that human meat is cheaper than weapons? But if your side dies you can lose everything. So you would think they would pay any price. The whole premise of having a single shot at melee range is fucking nuts. You'd think there would be an absolute arms race to pack someone with as many small guns as you could fit. Like the Texas Rangers would do. They were the first ones I ever read about from history who it seems they fucking understood what firepower means. why didn't anyone else figure it out in that era?

32 Comments
2025/01/30
05:41 UTC

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Literature Request - Mexico's Cartel War

Hello, I'm looking for recommendations of books/articles about the Mexican drug/cartel war - either more general histories or specific military histories would be great. I realize I know shockingly little about the topic and want to educate myself

5 Comments
2025/01/29
20:24 UTC

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How do poorer countries train pilots for their air force?

Bigger, wealthier countries can afford to service fleets of hundreds of training aircraft of all types and have their own established training pipelines, but many third world countries probably can't afford that. In cases like the Gambian Air Force's single Su-25, I imagine they're probably flown by mercenaries. Countries like Sudan and Ukraine, despite fielding sizeable numbers of combat aircraft only seem to have jet trainers, with seemingly no prop trainers available. I can't imagine trainee pilots are being strapped in to an L-39 Albatross for their very first time flying any aircraft. Do smaller countries partner with larger militaries to send their trainee pilots abroad to train? How often are mercenary pilots used?

33 Comments
2025/01/29
20:07 UTC

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Trench combat defensive doctrine

I've been watching the combat footage coming out of ukraine over the past several years, and something I've found interesting and wanted to understand better is the dynamics of modern trench combat.

I've seen a lot of training footage, and read over some of the theory of trench assault actions like battle drill 7 in US army field manuals, but something I realised is that these are exclusively *offensive* tactics. Why?

The thing that I see repeatedly in the ukrainian combat footage is a small assault unit that has made it into the trench system fighting a similar number of defenders, albeit typically dispersed and disorientated or sheltering below ground, usually giving the attackers the upper hand.

The thing that strikes me is that *in theory* it seems like once the trench is breached and the supporting fires from the other attacking elements shift, if the defenders were able to rally and mount an organised defence, they have a decent chance of repelling the assault group who rarely seem to significantly outnumber them. This seems like the sort of thing that would be useful to train for or have drills to fall back on, so why do all the trench combat training footage and drills assume you're the attacker?

I guess what I'm trying to understand is what are you supposed to *do* if you're in a trench that has been breached? Ideally I suppose you're aiming to prevent this rather than cure it, but it still seems like a situation one should be prepared for.

Retreat, naturally, seems like a sensible and primal solution - if the enemy has a big enough fire superiority to you that they've been able to get a squad of guys through your prepared defences you've already lost to an extent - so what are the people in combat footage remaining to fight the assault group think they're *doing*? Especially since it always seems so ad-hoc and not drilled in the way the offence is.

Is it a case that once you're in that situation, retreat is no longer a safe option - leaving the trench will just get you shot or blown up, so your two remaining options are either to fight back however you can, or hide (and inevitably have a dozen grenades posted to you)?

So if "fighting back" really is the best remaining option if you're unlucky enough to be in that scenario, why does it seem like there aren't established drills for it?

2 Comments
2025/01/29
19:35 UTC

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Soviet partisans were a major problem for Nazi Germany during World War 2. Why didn't Imperial Germany have the same problems during World War 1?

24 Comments
2025/01/28
20:10 UTC

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Use of airguns in warfare.

Can anyone point me to any literature detailing the use and effectiveness of historical pneumatic small arms like the Girardoni rifle in combat?

I'm aware that crew-served pneumatic mortar launchers were used extensively by the Austrians and others during WWI as a means of reducing expenditure of propellant supplies or reduce firing signature or risk of avalanches mountain operations, but I'm more interested in personal air rifles and such.

6 Comments
2025/01/28
18:34 UTC

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Tuesday Trivia Thread - 28/01/25

Beep bop. As your new robotic overlord, I have designated this weekly space for you to engage in casual conversation while I plan a nuclear apocalypse.

In the Trivia Thread, moderation is relaxed, so you can finally:

  • Post mind-blowing military history trivia. Can you believe 300 is not an entirely accurate depiction of how the Spartans lived and fought?
  • Discuss hypotheticals and what-if's. A Warthog firing warthogs versus a Growler firing growlers, who would win? Could Hitler have done Sealion if he had a bazillion V-2's and hovertanks?
  • Discuss the latest news of invasions, diplomacy, insurgency etc without pesky 1 year rule.
  • Write an essay on why your favorite colour assault rifle or flavour energy drink would totally win WW3 or how aircraft carriers are really vulnerable and useless and battleships are the future.
  • Share what books/articles/movies related to military history you've been reading.
  • Advertisements for events, scholarships, projects or other military science/history related opportunities relevant to War College users. ALL OF THIS CONTENT MUST BE SUBMITTED FOR MOD REVIEW.

Basic rules about politeness and respect still apply.

126 Comments
2025/01/28
14:41 UTC

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Where does Dead-Checking a wounded combatant fall both legally and morally?

Was watching Zero Dark Thirty (I usually hate war movies, and know they’re NOT a good representation by any means) but there’s a scene where one of the SEALs shoots an insurgent and his wife during the UBL raid.

He makes sure the male insurgent was dead but then moments later says something along the lines of “she will bleed out”

I know this is purely Hollywood, but I’m absolutely certain something to this degree has happened in the real world. Where does this stand legally? Being wounded doesn’t technically make one hors de combat, but in this hypothetical, she definitely was out of the fight.

As a hunter I would be inclined to prevent prolonged suffering. But I also wouldn’t want to break Geneva Conventions and be a war criminal. Seeing as the SEALS were actively undergoing an urban assault might factor into their ability (or lack thereof) to provide medical aid and properly detain people.

Edit: 2nd post because the phrasing of my first post made me look slow. And to be fair, i am but not as bad as the last title made me out to be

14 Comments
2025/01/27
22:51 UTC

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How was the Atlantic Wall Mapped during WW2?

I am currently contributing to a WW2 research project. One thing I'm trying to find out is how the Atlantic Wall was mapped prior to D-Day. In particular, I'm interested in how the Dutch Resistance went about mapping the Atlantic Wall, but if you know other ways it was mapped, that would be helpful as well. Some things I've managed to uncover so far.

Allied airplanes took photos of the Atlantic Wall during reconnaissance missions. They used shadows to estimate the height of fortifications. Patterns of construction were used to estimate where defenses were being strengthened.

The British government asked members of the public to send in vacation photos from their time along the European mainland coast. These were then pieced together as a jigsaw puzzle by a toymaker that the British commissioned.

In 1942, a French resistance member gave the British a top-secret blueprint of the Atlantic Wall stolen from the office of a Ger­man public works bureau that had been commissioned to help in the wall's construction.

Some laborers who had worked on the wall were able to leak information about the wall to resistance members vis sketches, notes, or verbal descriptions.

Resistance members impersonated artists and workers to be able to work in areas of the wall and gain information on it. The landscapes they sketched were often coded diagrams of defensive fortifications.

Naval ships scanned the coastline. In some cases, the Allies landed to collect soil samples that could be used to determine how effectively tanks could move in such areas.

Captured German soldiers and officers sometimes let information slip and had information interrogated out of them.

Do you know any more details and specifics on the methods above? What other ways was the Atlantic Wall mapped? If you have any sources of information or links to look into, that would be great as well. Thank you very much.

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2025/01/28
03:21 UTC

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