i assume its due to some legal stuff but theres no info on it anywhere

I know this is a well documented beef but I was living nearby during this time and might know some hidden info that isn't know within drill. In truth it kind of died after Incognito died in 2018. Let me know if you enjoy the thread and I will make a Part 2 (2017) and Part 3 (2018) and Part 4 (2019 - Present). I can also do threads on 67 beef, 410 beef in particular if requested.

Background:

Moscow 17:

Notable Members: Incognito/SK, GB/Get Bands/Rage, Screwloose, Loosescrew, Ruth, Mayski, KnockoutNed, JetBlack, KT, TTP/Twin Too Peak (Twin K x Twin D), Rizzy Rampz, Ted Matic, M.Y, Reepz (RTB)...

Territory: Brandon Estate (SE17)

Allies: Browning 17 (Browning Estate, SE17), AY17 (Aylesbury Estate, SE17), Harlem Spartans (Kennington, SE11), has other allies...

Zone 2/Hitsquad:

Notable Members: Narsty/Kwengface, Denz/DSqueezo (HSQ) , Mad Max (HSQ), Preacher (HSQ), 6ix (HSQ), Trizzac, Skully, LR/Lil Reekz, Suge Mike, Shay Squeeze, RM Sav, Snoopy (HSQ), LD/Lil Denz (HSQ)...

Territory: North Peckham Estate, Gloucester Grove Estate, Willowbrook Estate, Yellow Brick/Bells Gardens Estate, Goldsmith Estate, Southampton Way Estate, Unwin Estate, Ledbury Estate (SE15).

Allies: YPB (Peckham, SE15), PBG (Peckham, SE15), has other allies...

Certain members were generally close with each other due to school and family ties. Trizzac and Suge Mike (Zone 2) are well-known to be cousins with Incognito (Moscow 17/Ex-Queens Road) and Trizz would often sleep at Incognito's house with Mayski when they were children.

Trizzac and Kwengface/Narsty can be seen in SK/Incognito's song "Rico" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWcSY_ieIBM

Members on the Brandon estate would rep MOB (Mandem on Brandon) or just rep the block at this time. Original members include Rizzy Rampz, Screwloose and Rhyno. Mayski and Loose originally repped a gang in Lewisham before switching. GB used to rep 150 as Young J Boy and Ruth & Ted Matic used to rep CT. Incognito also used to rep Queens Road.

Whereas members in Peckham, would mainly chill in the Bells Gardens Estate and surrounding areas of North Peckham. They would rep 365 which was mainly a rap group but members were well known to commit crimes such as street robberies or burglaries, once of which was Preacher.

Preacher "MMTV My Session" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BXuw0LSVs8

Preacher & Riddz "Mental Bars" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN_bk2NayZA

The only members of any historic Peckham gangs who repped Zone 2/HSQ were Shay Squeeze and I think Denz who used to rep PK/Peckham Kids. One of the main members of PK was Reekz who is LR's older brother.

September 2015 - The Death of MK/Moe Kwenga (AY17) https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/15/mohamed-dura-ray-stabbed-newington-estate-south-london

MK would be stabbed on the Newington Estate in Kennington by a group of China Walk members who remain unidentified as the case remains unsolved.

Both Moscow 17 and Zone 2 members were close with MK and would start beefing China Walk as a result of his death. Denz (HSQ) would often pay tribute to his friend and his death is one of the only ones which was not later dissed on the infamous "No Censor."

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Suge Mike (Zone 2) was also shot at a house party at the end of 2015. People often blame it on Incognito because he was at the event but it was Brandon olders who were involved.

2016:

Moscow 17 was formed when older from the block SP17 dropped "Moscow" with CDai (AY17). CDai would later receive 10 years for stabbing Karim (Peckham) in 2017 when Karim snitched on him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15FxRlbfe-E

The younger generation of Brandon were generally around 15 -17 years old at the time and as Incognito was around 20 - 21 he would be the boss of the gang. He was also the richest on the block and have several drug lines that made him a lot of money compared to the others who were mainly runners at the time. He was closest to JetBlack and would often chill with him but was often seen chilling with younger members of the set such as GB and M.Y.

Zone 2 would form around the same time. Hitsquad would be created later and contains the most active members of Zone 2, who used to duel rep the sets. Zone 2 is currently extinct and most members now rep YPB, PBG or HSQ.

The beef at the start of 2016 because of a personal beef between Loosescrew and Preacher when Preacher burgled Loose's family friend/cousin. Loose was looking for Preacher after the incident and they agreed to link up in Burgess Park (Peckham). I wasn't there so I can't confirm exactly but I heard that Loose won the fight that was agreed. There still seemed to be some beef between the two and it apparently didn't solve the issue as they still hated each other.

Tizzy T was close with Preacher and tried to get Loose to squash his beef with him but Loose didn't agree.

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February 2016 - Stabbing of Crimez - The first major stabbing in the beef that Moscow 17 committed would take place on Albany Road in Walworth. Loose and JetBlack would be illegally driving a car when they spotted Crimez who was a well known member of Zone 2 at the time. Loose tried to pull up to him to apply some pressure but Crimez did not want to talk and found him aggressive. Loose chased after him and ran him over then JetBlack got out of the car and stabbed him. Crimez would snitch on them both and they would both he arrested for GBH and were remanded to YOI Feltham. Loose would buss case but Jet Black was convicted.

This has regularly been mentioned by Loose in his music including on his most recent song "Industry Rappers":

"Long time I ain't seen Crimez but truthfully I don't want to see him that boy is a rat."

Early 2016 - Stabbing of Tizzy T - One of first stabbings in the beef was one of the worst. Preacher would catch Tizzy T lacking in Walworth and run up to him, stabbing him one in the chest. Tizzy T would die on the scene for around 15 minutes but paramedics would resuscitate him and he would survive.

This has regularly been mentioned by Zone 2 rappers including Mad Max on "Facts":

"Tizzy T died and woke up b."

April 2016 - Stabbing of Loose - Loose would be walking through Peckham without a knife when he bumped into rival gang member 6ix. Loose claims he started to fight 6ix and beat him up but 6ix would pull out his knife and stabbed Loose several times. A video would be taken and posted to YouTube showing the aftermath but has since been taken down.

June 2016 - Stabbing of Rizzy Rampz - Rizzy Rampz was infamously stabbed at Burgess Park in June 2016 when he was attending a fair, allegedly with his mum and sister. RK/Teej and 6ix would be cycling through the area looking for opps when they spotted him. Rampz was stabbed seriously as was captured in videos of the incidient where you can see him trying to hold his stomach which had been slashed.

Article - https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/burgess-park-stabbing-boy-15-was-chased-through-funfair-by-knifeman-before-being-stabbed-in-front-of-shocked-families-a3264606.html

The incident has been rapped about several times including when Mad Max rapped on "Facts" "Rampz got chinged in front of his mum like omg."

Preacher also rapped on "Kreep and Kweng" "Me and Denz got like 4 each. 6ix and RK got him in front of his mum and his sister that's naughty."

July 2016 - Stabbings of KnockoutNed - KnockoutNed has been stabbed twice by Mad Max in the beef with Peckham, the first of which and took place in Camberwell McDonalds in his leg. Allegedly Max would receive the drop from someone who recognised Ned so Max entered knowing he would catch Ned lacking.

Article - https://southwarknews.co.uk/area/camberwell/young-man-stabbed-last-night-last-night-inside-camberwell-mcdonalds/

The second stabbing allegedly resulted in Max stabbing Ned in the neck. He bragged about it on "Facts" when he said "Who was there to back Ned when I splashed him up in Mac D's... if I see him again gonna knock him out x3, Ultimate Team. 6ix and ? chinged Older Base and Lil Base together on the high street."

The final bar references when 6ix and another Zone 2 member stabbed Base (Wooly Road) and Lil Base (Moscow 17) in 2016.

July 2016 - Stabbing of Preacher - Just days after the stabbing of Ned. Tizzy T and Screwloose would get the drop on Zone 2 members who were playing Football in Burgess Park. They spotted Preacher with Snoopy and others and immediately targeted Preacher. Tizzy T would knock him onto the floor and stabbed him in his back. Screwloose also claims he stabbed him in the stomach. Preacher was seen afterwards trying to search for the ring he always wears which had been knocked off in the attack. Snoopy ran away and left him which is the second time after KK (B-Side) stabbed Preacher at a house party in 2015.

Article - https://southwarknews.co.uk/news/crime/three-teenagers-among-victims-knife-fight-burgess-park/

The incident has been mocked multiple times in music by Loosescrew and other Moscow 17 members such as Screwloose who rapped in "Tools" "Tizzy that's bro from young, for him get one in your lungs, I swear I gave him one in his tum, in Burgess Park that was all maud."

Tizzy T would later get charged for Violent Disorder and flee for Nigeria where he remains on the run till this day as a rapper in a music group called BTM BadBoys- https://www.reddit.com/r/ukdrill/comments/naru21/when_moscow17_tizzy_t_put_zone2hitsquadypb_ps_on/

Tizzy T (BTM Bad Boys) "See No Evil" (2023) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1FwGid4BMU

Summer 2016 - Stabbing of Rhyno - I can't remember exactly when but Rhyno would get stabbed during the summer of 2016. He was chilling on the mains with Screwloose when 6ix, Chin and Denz would spot them. Screw escaped unharmed but Rhyno was brutally stabbed.

November 2016 - Stabbing of Trey - Towards the end of 2016, Moscow 17 started to get a lot more active in the beef after taking lots of losses in 2016. In November, TTP and GB would ride out to North Peckham where they spotted Trey (YPB) and stabbed him.

GB was well known to be active in the beef by this point and would allegedly stab Kran (YPB) and Rash (YPB) with other Moscow 17 youngers around this time.

Music:

By mid-2016, Zone 2 would start to jump on the UK Drill wave which was blowing up in the UK at the time. Their first song was a direct diss to Moscow 17 named "Zone 2 Step" and it was filmed on the Brandon Estate and contained their whole gang in the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz0nZ9qrbGs

Zone 2's main rappers at the time were Narsty, Preacher, Trizzac and Skully. They would drop more regularly and had a larger selection of rappers who had better flows and deliveries that Moscow, including Preacher who would often be cited as the Best Drill Rapper, competing with MizorMac and AM (410).

Moscow 17 would soon respond with their own anthem named "Moscow March." The music video included Harlem Spartans who were close with Moscow at the time such as MizOrMac, Jazzy and Bis.

Moscow's main rappers at the time were Incognito, GB, Loose and Screw. They would receive around 100-200k views per video but Zone 2 would receive around 400-700k and sometimes up to 1m depending on the quality of the song.

2017:

I will do a Part 2 covering 2017 if there are requests to do so.

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Apart from his brother. Are any of the other guys even 156

The comment with the most upvotes in 24 hrs wins

1 single year, if you mention others I’ll take the first year mentioned as answer

How Lil Patch 🕊️ ended up in the river is definitely one of the biggest mysteries in the Croy sides of things.

Any legit accounts of hooligan firms clashing with street gangs ?

Who was the first rapper to use 'bine' in their lyrics, and who popularised it in the UK, would be interesting to see what you man think

🔑 - South West London War

LPW “LIL PATCH WORLD” 🌍 (💙/🩵/💜/💚)

Allegedly the LPW/STK batch stretches through croydon and is made up of gangs like:

•TF (Trap & Finesse) or 5th / Woodz, SE25 💙 •STK (Shoot To Kill) or Shrublands Town, CR0 💙 + •SBV (SellHurst Block Villains) or HellHurst, SE25 💙 •VP (Valley Park) or 430 [switched to STK], CR0 💜 •NDO (No Days Off) or 27 / Woodz, SE27 💚 •WHR (White Horse Road), CR0 🤍 •W (Waddon), CR0 🩵 •730 (CR7), CR7 🧡

•730 Started to beef GLane (🩵) who are an EBK batch affiliated with RAQ (❤️) causing 730 to link up with STK/LPW gangs.

This side of the war is clicked up with nearby alliances like:

“O-31” (Wandsworth road): •TOG (Tape Off Gang) or 17Wano, SW8 ❤️ •8th (Wandsworth Road), SW8 ❤️ •CB (Count Bundles), SW8 ❤️ •ABG (Albion Blood Gang), SW8 ❤️

37 Gang (Clapham Junction): OJB (Original Junction Boys) or Junction, SW11 💛 SYS (Save Your Souls), SW11 💛 Block 10 (Junction), SW18 💛 RR (Road 2 Riches), SW15 💛 Philly (Philly Road), SW19 💛

The “G.A.S” Alliance (Brixton, Clapham, Tulse) •RSG (Road Side Gangsters) or 198, SE5/SW9 ❤️ •HOS (Hop Out Squad) or 28s, CR0/SW9 💜 •AD (Armed Defence) or 150, SW9 💜 •GBG (Get Back Gang) or 150, SW9 💜 •OC (Original Crashers) or 410, SW9 💚 •CO (Cassava Only) or Loughborough, SW9 🧡 •HT (HighTrees) or TreeTop, SW2 🩶 •UTH (Upper Tulse Hill) or UpTop, SW2 🩶 •CT (Clap Town), SW4 💜

•Notable Rappers Include: Teeway (TF/5thWoody), TapeDat (STK/LPW), SL (VP/430), Siru (NDO/27Woody), Dottz (TOG/17), Burner (OJB/37), RA (RSG/198), Sykes (HOS/28s), M24 (GBG/150), AM (OC/410), YA (CT) & Mayhem (UTH)

These sets all share most of eachothers beefs with opposing gangs such as the other side of Croydon, CP x GIP, 300 x RAQ, 2216, RAW, 417 etc.

“ANTI LPW” (🖤/🩶/❤️) [*Idk too much]

The other side* of Croydon beefs with LPW, but doesnt have a strong link up and most of these gangs beef eachother. Gangs like:

•SplashSet ❤️ •#0 (Hashtag O), CR0 ❤️🖤 •#00 (39th Fieldway), CR0 🩶 •MH (Monks Hill), CR0 🖤 •KWO (Kelvas World Only) or 25, SE25 🖤

*Im not too sure on the specific but most these lot beef amongst eachother but i know they all beef with LPW and fuck with 2216 X 417 X TeamRAW as well.

25/KWO is clicked up with nearby alliances like:

“Team RAW” (CripSet): •STW (Stockwell) or StockHell, SW9 💙 •MB (M Block) or ABM, SW9 💙 •DB (Dead Bridge), CR4 💜 + PO (Pounds Only) or Pollards Hill, CR4 💜

417 Gang (Mitcham X Tooting): •4thIsh (4th) or MTown, CR4 🖤 •UGD (UGLY) or Tooting, SW17 🖤

“2216” Alliance (Hillside): •OBG (Original Bleinham Gardens), SW2 🖤 •ONP (Original New Park) or 674, SW2 🖤 •OSG (On Site Gang) or 674, SW2 🖤❤️ •SAD (Spot and Drop) or 67, SW2 ❤️ •RP (Roupell Park) or 67, SW2 🖤 •LTH (Lower Tulse Hill) or CUG (Creep Up Gang) or 86, SW2 🖤 •GID (Get It Done) or 55, SW16 🖤💙 + •GIP (Gipsy) or 019, SE19 🖤 •CSC9 (Central Shooters) or 19th, SE19 🖤💙 •CP (Crash Point) or Crown Point, SE27 🖤 •SWC (Westow Hill), SE19 💚

•Notable Rappers Include: Trapx10 (RG/25), CFigz (STW/RAW), Reekz (MB/RAW), Bash (UGD/417), LD (OSG/674), DopeSmoke (SAD/67), C1 (LTH/CUG), KTrap (GIP/019), DoRoad (GIP/019) & 36 (CP)

“EBK” (🖤/❤️/🩵)

Both the 2 sides war with eachother, as well as the EBK link up sets which include gangs such as:

•KuKu (Kennington Ku) or 300, SE11 🖤 •HS (Harlem Spartans) or 300, SE11 ❤️ •SIRAQ (Somerleyton Iraq) or 727, SW9 ❤️🖤 •GLane (Green Lanes) or CR7, CR7 🩵/🧡?

•Notable Rappers Include: OBoy (KuKu/300), Loski (HS/300), SD (HS/300/727), SR (RAQ/727), Poundz (GLane/CR7)

(Que the Stay in school u dont wanna end up like me 🤓☝️)

[Emojis represent gang bandana colour which makes it easier to picture the sets]