I’ve finished season one and I’m confused as to how detevtice ambrose found out it was the Frankie’s father that poisoned her to get rid of her memories? How did he piece it all together

I didn't like Percy's character. I found her pretty boring and almost annoying. I didn't like how much Ambrose's inner voice was personified. They wanted to create a little effect, but for me it only added a touch of unnecessary artificiality.

I also found that the season lacks plot twists and complexity.

Season 1 and 2 often mesmerized me with the quality of their plot twists. Season 3 on the psychological aspect. In this one, everything was much more predictable and less surprising.

I also didn't quite understand Lou's character. Sometimes a friend to Ambrose, sometimes almost an enemy. One time he removes him from the investigation, and an hour later he lets him come back. I found the character too stupid for my taste.

Anyway I didn't get the intensity of the first three seasons.

It's just my opinion. On the other hand, I remain really impressed by the quality of the acting.

Okay okay okay ... I am really late to the game! I watched this show when it first came out mostly because it has Jessica Biel in it (as a Producer ! yay go Jessica aaaaaaaand as Cora Tanetti in season one).

Not gonna lie: I watched the first season 4 times now and the other ones... not so much. Not saying they were bad but to me the first season had smth. (besides Jessica Biel) the others couldnt provide.

With all that said, I am currently on a rewatch (of season 1 of course) and since I had been watching 7th heaven before that (our favorite 90s show that introduced a veerryy young Jessica Biel) I have come up with quite the whacky theory !

Here it goes: 7th heaven is Cora Tanettis make believe world!

Cora Tanetti grew up in a horrible home.

Her mother was a devote christian who made her believe that she was responsible for her sisters sickness and that by sinning she would make her sister become more sick and eventually kill her. Cora had to pray A LOT ! by her mothers command, live by her super catholic houserules and was forced to live her life around the religion. (On my first watch I thought they did it so well how they made us believe what happenend to Cora was connected to some sort of obsessive religious shenanigans).

Secondly Cora only had ONE sister, that she later realized is the only accomplice in her home.They were kept apart in the beginning but when Coras father is sick of sleeping in her room they have to share a room too. This fact isn't liked by Cora at first but they grow close over time later becoming super dependent. Also Cora was super lonely in her childhood years and had nobody to play or talk to basically.

Third: Drugs: Cora thinks for a while, when she's trying to figure out what happenend to her that she was addicted to drugs, such as heroin and so on. We later find out that she took some Coke and other stuff when she was with JD but we also know that Cora was never addicted or had a problem with it - besides from her addiction of Sedatives that was inflicted upon her by Frankies father. So basically Cora has had a tough relationship with drugs - but not on her own choice.

Fourth: Men: When Cora tries to make money she basically ends up being a Sex worker, and in her visions we see a lot of snippets that are also connected to sex. I think it is safe to say that not only her experience in the hut with JD and his stupid fucking friend (I hate this guy), Frankie and her sister, but also her twisted relationship with her sister (who basically begs her to kiss her and lets Cora touch her in veeeery unsisterly places) got her to a place where sexual relationships in general are just hella confusing and a not at all safe place for her to go.

Five: her mother and her father : In the series Coras Mum is the one who is SUUUUPER religious to a point it is actually hurting everyone around her while her dad is the one that is challenging those rules. (In questionable ways but never the less).

AAAAAAAAAND now hear me out !!!

7th heaven is a show that is about A HUGE family, with a CHRISTIAN father, a mother who is not so strict with religion and loosens up a little bit once in a while. The show heavily focuses on "problems" like Drug and substenance abuse, but mostly in THE MOST INNOCENT ways EVER SEEN ON FUCKING TV! (you all remember that episode with the joint ? good times)

Mary Camden (played by Jessica Biel) is (in the beginning at least) a super athletic, well behaved student, with a TIIIINY rebellious mind who lives HAPPILY with her FAVORITE sister Lucy in a room - (for a fact I have always wondered why they choose to keep on living together when Matt moved out and they moved in the attic, but they just LOOOOOVED living together)

There are 5 !!! Siblings in the beginning (later 7) who are very much looking out for each other, hate each other a little bit, but all in all it's all just very lovy-dovy-happy-family-nothing-can-happen-to-us-if-we-stick-together kinda stuff.

Mary Camdes story line has a lot of innocent, ridiculously over the top played out things happening that are connected to her being kinda obsessed with boys and and getting married, having sex and so on.

Basically what I am saying is:

Cora Tanetti in her understandably fucked up mind, trying to cope with everthing that happend to her made up an alter Ego Mary Camden who has everything she always dreamed of and could have never imagined to have:

A functional NORMAL relationship with her sister who she loves, lots of other siblings to rely on and interact with, a functional social life where it is easy for her to meet and date men that in the beginning of the show don't try to hurt her.

A hyper innocent kinda relationship with drug "abuse" , nowhere close to what Cora Tanetti had to experience.

A loving and strict but able-to-loosen-up-once-in-a-while-mom Annie Camden, because Cora can't stand the memory of her abusive mother.

And for the last part of my whacky theory: as 7th heaven goes on the show becomes more and more crazy (which of course has nothing to do with bad writing :D) but is only related to the fact that Cora can't hold up her made up world and snippets of her real live are starting to seep in: e.g Robbie Palmer trying to seduce Mary to have sex, close to raping her, Mary meeting people who actually have a real problem with drugs and substenance abuse aand her character getting into (still) innocent trouble compared to Cora but nevertheless. As well as Mary Camden loosing focus as the seasons go on, which I interpret as Cora Tanetti geting sucked back into reality. Maybe if 7th heaven would have gone on for 11 more seasons we would've gotten there :D

Okay. that's all.

enjoy this theory and sorry for ruining 7th heaven :D

from the beginning of the season, I began to dislike him because he represents a certain sort of personality that some men I have encountered seem to have. he believes that he is a part of something bigger than himself, something that the "general population" doesn't understand or care enough as they should, and he isolates himself in an egotistical bubble that shields him from acknowledging his privilege and admitting his mistakes. it's precisely Nietzsche's theory of the ubermensch which he attempts to apply himself to. in reality, I think the majority of mature, intelligent people can easily understand his/nick's philosophy, but are able to disconnect the existential dread it posits in a way that nick and jamie were unable to. i'm sure this also has to do with their trauma and upbringings. however, it doesn't make either of them special- just ill. I also can relate to some of the things he said, such as experiencing intrusive thinking. but overall he's just a pompous idiot.

he's unable to recognize what he's done (murder, etc... I just watched the scene where he spits on ambrose and it infuriated me) and refuses to accept help. he is manipulative, whether he is aware of it or not. he does not deserve sympathy. he clearly needs psychiatric help but does not deserve leniency. the only satisfying scene i've watched with him it in is when leela calls him out on his privilege. it's a shame he didn't seem to get it though.

fuck this guy lol, he makes me so mad I had to write this. testament to the show's writing, though.

Almost done with the first two seasons. Loving this show. Have seen Bill Pullman act in a variety of shows and movies for a long time. By far this is his best work.

EDIT: I screwed up and started with Season 4 😂😂. Thanks to poster who set me straight on this. Now I can go to ACTUAL Season 1 ! (No Sonya, I am told. Yay!)

I’m at the early part of Season 1 Epi 1.
I need to know if Sonya is a permanent major fixture. I love Bill Pullman as an actor. But whoever is playing Sonya put my teeth on edge from first scene. Please tell me she’s not a major player in the series. 😥

Just finished the first season(mindblowing btw), and I was confused because I thought they were the same actor. Would only found out after that they were different.

Also would appreciate if y'all told me which season to watch next.

The loose end: the weird women moaning in the water at night, as mentioned in this post.

Clearly they were part of whatever witchy self-help thing Em Castillo was running, right?

But here's what I thought was going to happen, which would have made for a better (IMHO) ending:

1. When exploring the boat Valerie in episode 6, I thought Harry was going to stumble across Percy -- alive and in hiding.
2. In episode 4, Percy's family identifies her body, but they're told it's been in the water for a week and looks terrible. It's quite possible for them to misidentify the body (although I admit the mole on her chin is pretty unique).
3. After discovering Percy alive, Harry learns that Em Castillo helped Percy fake her death. A would-be killer (her uncle? Brandon Keyser? CJ Lam?) confronted her at the boat house and followed her to the lake, but she faked suicide in order to throw the killer off the trail. Percy begs Harry not to reveal that she is alive, but he promises that she will be protected and tells her family.
4. Once her family knows, everybody knows (it's a small town, right?) and then whatever killer was pursuing Percy succeeds. Now a truly haunted, miserable, regretful Harry must track this killer down.
5. Maybe Uncle Colin found out Percy was getting involved with Em Castillo's witchy self-help stuff, or with a secret cult of Bazegw, and -- driven by newfound religious mania -- decides that she must die ... ? I was really hoping that there would be a lot more about the witchy sea cult.

Anyway, I very much enjoyed this season. Thanks for reading.

Just finished all four seasons.

I really liked them all. I'd say 3 was the weakest but I still liked it.

Never even heard of this series until about a month ago. I never really respected Bill Pullman as an actor, but he won me over as Harry Ambrose. He pulled off the sad tortured man very well.

Wish there was at least one more season with a bit more closure to his character. It woulda been nice to see him at least a little happy, but all we know is that he chose not to kill himself.

I noticed that season 1 with Percy seems like backwards from season 2? Because in season 1 Ambrose is retired? I am only on season 2 episode 2, so please no spoilers, but does the show go backwards? Am I making sense? So confused 😂😂😂 P.s. where is his gf in season 1!? 😂😂

So I got the idea that Jamie was very directionless in life and through Nick he learnt this philosophy of "There is no morality, no laws, no rules. Everyone who abides by these is "faking" and not truly living life, everyone lives in fear of death, instead we should get near death and INFLICT Death upon others to TRULY LIVE"

Am I correct with that Summary? That both Nick's and Jamie's entire idea of life was to embrace the death and decay of it all, instead of trying to escape and avoid it.

But then why did Jamie cry and beg like a child when he got shot? Was this to show that no matter what their philosophy was or how much they tried to convince themselves that this is how humans should truly live, that at the end Jamie was still a Human who at the end of the day wanted to survive, relate to other people, have a family etc. instead of constantly "living on the edge" ?

Have almost finished all 4 seasons. First of all, Jessica Biel and Carrie Coon are incredible actors. (Also would highly recommend watching Jessica in the show Candy, and Carrie in The Leftovers.)

Second, I really appreciate how Sonya isn't some classic girlfriend like "you're retired Harry stop worrying about this case pay attention to meeeee"--she's a perfect match for Harry and so patient with him. I haven't quite finished S4 yet though.

Hi. I am currently watching The Sinner and I think it's an amazing show. I loved S1 and 2 and I'm currently on S3. S3 is great, I love the plot and the characters. However, I think Jamie Burns is too much sometimes. He infuriates me and some things he does don't make any sense.

They don't explain what's wrong with him, what's the mental health problem he's struggling with. Is he having an existential crisis due to the birth of his son? Or was Nik's influence on him too much and he's just trying to re-create the energy Nik brought into his life that kept him on edge?

Also, I don't think he is grieving because he said Nik was a toxic person in his life so, he tried to stay away from him. Does anyone here know what's wrong with this guy?

This is probably my 3 or 4th time watching all seasons through. I know this sub is pretty inactive - I wasn’t a redditor on my first watch through and I wish I was but I do have to add;

(S4) Stephanie Lam’s grief as a mother is gutting. Cindy Cheung did an incredible job portraying the loss of a child. I have known close grief for a majority of my life and very rarely does a performance bring me to watering eyes, let alone tears. The scene showing the Lam’s seeing Bo after the fight pulled me in so many directions. Mike Lam’s reaction was really good, but Stephanie’s… wow.

This show has been incredible in pulling at strings and emotions. There are very few that give me this wide variety of feelings and emotions - yet still giving an accurate representation (based on my own experiences, I know we all live different realities) of the events. I’m sad that we cannot expect more seasons… but glad to have seen the seasons we’ve been provided.

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I just finished the show and need to get this off my chest.

I think I‘d rank the seasons as follows:

1. Percy
2. Cora & Julian (I can‘t decide, love them both)
3. Jamie

What I really enjoyed about the show is that every season (at least for me) represents a hardship/negative feeling and they all tie in with Ambrose‘s character.

Cora is about trauma in general and how it never quite lets go of someone. Even when we try and push it down, it always comes back up until it‘s worked through properly.

Julian is about trauma as well, specifically childhood trauma.

Jamie is about the meaning of life and the feeling that nothing matters. If these ”nothing matters“ thoughts aren‘t dealt with, they can lead people to depression and doing horrible things.

I like season 4 the most because it is the culmination of all these things: guilt and the depression it causes. Percy took her own life because she could not handle the guilt she felt and had no one to turn to. After everything that happened to Ambrose, he feels the same way, hence why he cannot leave this case alone, even when everyone tells him to. Unlike Percy however, he gets over his hardships and the show ends with a shot of his face, determined to keep living, no matter what happened in the past.

I felt The Sinner was a very touching show. Eventhough it hit its low point with season 3, it picks itself back up and makes season 3 important through season 4. The ending delivers a message, that one must never lose hope, even after going through the most traumatic of experiences, and I respect that.

Damn, this was kind of long, sorry about that. But these are my thoughts on The Sinner. Definitely an underrated show in my opinion :)

Bonus: I‘m a nerd for these kinds of things, but what if the title The Sinner doesn‘t only mean the person of each season, but is also how Ambrose feels about himself: a sinner that has yet to pay for the things he has done. Maybe I‘m reaching, but eh, my post, my thoughts lol

I just need to know...why, seriously why did they include that one super uncomfortable scene between her and her sister? Y'all know the one right?...in the bed?

Honestly, I love the show and I'm excited to watch the next season but I can't figure out what that scene added other than shock value. And yeah sex sells of course...but I'm not sure if that was the point here.

Was it to show that Pheobe could have no other experience except with her sister, so her sister had to show her? Did Pheobe just need to know what this was like?

I'm confused and had to ask. Sorry to make y'all reconsider this ridiculously unsettling scene but I'd love some input! Thanks!

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All the other times somebody off camera was following her (the alley, the bluff, the mall, the club, etc) are explained, but I don't seem to recall an explanation for this one. Can't be Bo; it's on film. Can't be CJ; he would have followed her. Unlikely her uncle or father; the family say they didn't know she left the house, and they too would have followed/grabbed her. If it's Brandon and she's leaving his empty nicotine gum pack where Ambrose found it, why was she scared and bowing to him like the office clerk was with her black rock-looking object?

I hate coras sister shes the reason for everything that happened to cora

Ok Scottish white girl with freckles here! Am I mental or is JD not blonde? Is that just because I’m Scottish and blonde here is like a pale yellow (like my daughter) or is American blonde fuck all like the Celtic type I’m familiar with? Just on season 1 e4 and loving it already! No spoilers please. Thanks for any enlightenment.

Recently finished all seasons, wishing there was more of this series.

1. Percy
2. Julian
3. Cora
4. Jamie

Percy was undoubtably my favorite. I like how it tied into Ambrose’s own struggles in a meaningful way. Felt more profound.

Julian is a close second.

Cora is as intricate of a puzzle as Percy. Left all the questions answered like with Percy.

Jamie is the only one I felt I did not like. It could have ended 3 episodes early and I think that would be enough. Why was Jamie so compelled by Nick? It’s almost as if a supernatural force was compelling him. It doesn’t seem to make sense. Lots of questions left unanswered. Also Sonya is the worst character in the show. Her emotion doesn’t match the scenes she is in and seems wildly bizarre. Her wanting to “connect with Jamie” makes no sense given that she spent all of Part 3 being a living, breathing red herring that was terrified of Jamie. Also in Part 4 she only serves as a roadblock to anything interesting.

Interested how others rank the seasons. Too bad the show is done, I really enjoyed it.

What else should I watch? I'm currently watching cruel summer too.

Soooo good compared to season 3. Wtf

Sonya is so peculiar to me? It’s like her emotions don’t match the situations she’s in? She’s so unusually passive it’s almost annoying LOL does anyone get what I mean 😩