Dabu made this post for SR1 so I figured I'd make it for SR2 as well. There was probably more drama and hurt feelings on this rankdown than SR1 (myself included) so hopefully this thread doesn't start anything.

Borneo: Kelly is too low, I wouldn't have her endgame like SR4 just did but she has one of if not the best story in Survivor history and I find her to be a good narrator most of the time.

Australia: Not nearly as bad as SR1 but still too much white-washing of Australia's obvious flaws. I really don't see Colby as an endgame character when you have to take historical context into account and he's so simple compared to other Survivor greats. Jerri making it into endgame should happen more often though.

Africa I cut Lindsey at 49 and while it's not a terrible spot I have her in my top 30 now so obviously I wish I had cut Keith over her. Lex is a little high because I think his story ends pretty weakly; he's the main villain but there's no downfall he just gets sick and then leaves while everyone praises him. he's still a great character though so whatever.

Marquseas Neleh is a little high but she would have gotten to like 40 if i hadn't made a deal so I'm glad I did what I could. Gina at 79 is also a little eyebrow raising.

Thailand Not educated enough on the season to comment

Amazon I'm glad this is the one rankdown where Deena got her due, surprising considering how anti-Amazon Wilbur and Fleaa were. Christy is too low for such a great character but other than that I don't have too many issues surprisingly

Pearl Islands N/A, we got the order and placements perfectly. Maybe Burton could have been higher with a more passionate writeup but that's a nitpick.

All-Stars Not educated enough to comment

Vanuatu: Twila not making endgame is a crime and I still don't get the justification. Other than that we did pretty good here

Palau I think Katie is a top 50 character, she was a victim of yickles though so not much anyone could do. Very happy I got Tom to endgame still.

Guatemala Jamie should have made top 100, he was a victim of me wasting my refresh (yeah that was a mistake) and the stagant pool. Hope he finally gets there in SRV.

Panama Terry and Danielle are too low, both of them offer a lot to the season and are fun characters. Terry's writeup was like the one time Wilbur disagrees with SURM though so I guess I'll take it. Courtney's placement is pretty much perfect but she got a shit writeup which sucks.

Cook Islands Not educated enough to comment but I can't imagine anyone should've done much better

Fiji Not educated enough to comment, I'm eager to finally rewatch it soon so I can finally chime in on the Alex debate.

China Peih-Gee is too low but that's small potatoes compared to her placement in SR1. I think Jean-Robert is pretty overrated, we've seen this character so many times before and he doesn't really offer anything new or interesting to the role, I would defintely have a lot of people over him, including Ace who I think is a more interesting version of the character.

Micronesia: Not educated enough to comment.

Gabon: I have Sugar in my top 20 but I got her all the way to 58 and objectively her placement is fine. I think we got Gabon pretty much perfect actually, happy that Wilbur rewatched it after the rankdown and thus didn't get Crystal/Sugar out too early.

Tocantins I think we got this one pretty much perfectly too, the cast placements match my personal placements more than any other season. JT really is boring as fuck in Tocantins btw.

Samoa not educated enough to comment

HvV lol still proud of myself that I got Parv in top 100, not sure it was worth selling my soul for it but I made a promise to /u/Parvichard before the rankdown that I would do it so I couldn't turn my back on a friend. I think we got this season pretty well too. EDIT: Oh actually nevermind Rob is way too high, he's just RI lite in this season

Nicaragua Jud was the dumbest inclusion in the endgame, he's clearly not on that level and he's not even my favorite of the season although I like him. There was nothing I really could have done though, except maybe nominate him before Wilbur/Hodor made their pact. CHASE was robbed as fuck holy shit

RI Who cares

South Pacific Brandon and Coach were pretty robbed for bringing some really dark sociological themes into the show and making it a story-driven season rather than a big moves one, I find them both fascinating. Albert is hilarious so I wish he had been higher but I don't care about that as much.

OW who cares. Glad we gave Kim a low ranking.

Philippines Russell Swan is too low, he's very arguably the best premerger of all time and not even making it into the top 4 was pretty dumb. Other than that I'm fine with everything.

Caramoan Who cares. Dawn 2.0. really isn't a great character though, sorry.

Blood Vs Water Monica should be higher, she's not top 100 good but maybe somewhere around 150 would have been better.

Cagayan Glad I gave Tony a proper ranking instead of blindly putting him in the top 30 and that I gave him a writeup that evaulated his strengths and weaknesses, also happy he didn't get idoled. Everything here is good aside from Jefra lolololol.

SJDS Jaclyn is too low, she should at least be like top 60. That was the worst offender of Hodor just blindly nominating people based on amount of screentime instead of trying to look at how much they bring to the season, which in Jaclyn's case is a ton. Sorry Hodor, you def gave the best writeups. baylor was robbed as fuck, Missy was robbed as fuck, Jeremy was robbed as fuck. not too great of a track record here

Worlds Apart This cast is a fucking joke, like everyone is too high. I will never understand the Hali idol sorry fleaa.

Tagging my fellow rankers /u/WilburDes /u/KeepCalmAndHodorOn /u/ChokingWalrus /u/fleaa.

I've completed (and updated) my list of all 615 characters of Survivor (I'm missing 4, not gonna bother looking unless someone tells me about it). Colours are tiers.

Here's the link.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZtKMDHZZvEzg_cFGkEzCkGSMtoi1NTI9iK667l2gNlA/edit#gid=0

So Australian Survivor is now finished. Overall, I ended up enjoying it a lot. It almost felt like a time capsule of sorts, with half the cast being throwbacks to Borneo while the other half seem like something straight out of a modern season. Which created some really great contrast and dynamics that gave the season a very unique feel and vibe which is very impressive. It does have some weaknesses — some of those early merge episodes were pretty tough to get though, and there were too many twists and the merge swap twist in particular basically decided the season, but thankfully the cast manages to allow the season to overcome many of these flaws. Overall, in comparison to US seasons, I’d rank it #14, just below San Juan Del Sur and just above Guatemala.

Cast ranking:

24. Andrew: I really tried to like him as a villain, I really wanted to adore his downfall, but I just… couldn’t. His constant confessionals about how much he was running things and how much everyone else was clueless was more Hantz-esque generic rubbish than anything, and the worst part was how obnoxiously repetitive he was. His stupid analogies are mostly cringey and aren’t enough to make up for the rest, and by the end I was just waiting for him to go away to the point that I couldn't even enjoy his blindside. Maybe I’ll look back on him more fondly but for now he’s the only one I dislike in this cast.

25. Bianca: “I’m a private investigator and we need to take out the big threats” — aaaaaand she’s gone.

26. Barry: Idk if this guy knows how to talk to the cameras. He could’ve been ironically hilarious if he had like any semblance of TV presence but not so much.

27. Tegan: Mildly charismatic for someone so irrelevant and her relationship with Nick was fun, but there’s not a whole lot there.

28. Peter: Seems like an interesting guy and his story is actually pretty tragic, but overall, meh

29. Evan: his ineptitude was pretty amusing and he was gone nice and early.

30. Kylie: She’s scrappy and a fighter and there are lots of things I do like about her, but she’s pretty much like the annoying soccer mom that you want to like because of how much they try and how genuinely nice they are, but things that they say and do are just annoying.

31. Sue: Sometimes sanctimonious, sometimes forgettable, sometimes fun and quirky. I like her voice and her mention of obscure things like “Blind Freddy”. Her relationship with JL was also very sweet. Overall though, kinda disappointing.

32. Rohan: A mildly fun villain (although I think the NSPV contributed a lot more to his role as villain than anything he actually did) and his boot was pretty incredible.

33. Jennah-Louise: MORP Sally Schumann type early on, the invisible for some reason, then came back to tell people to make big moves and play the game. Sometimes she did fall a bit too much into that Cambodia Ciera category, but overall she does seem like a cool person and positive presence on the season.

34. El: I wish we saw more of her because I think she had an Ami Cusack-like edge to her, very calm and collected but also willing to be more cutthroat while hiding behind a sweet young motherly persona. Arguably the best player on the season as well.

35. Kate: I wanted to like her more than I did because I love her story and her fight, but most of the time she just wasn’t super interesting other than generic “good person” stuff. It’s like if Gina Crews lasted a couple votes into the merge. Her boot episode was also my least favorite of the season. Still pretty good though and I really liked her relationship with Conner.

36. Kat: Her relentless Rohan hatred was pretty hilarious, while sometimes she seemed way too smug for someone so useless her cockroaching her way past vote after vote was a fun side storyline. There were plenty of times where I’d say to myself “oh man I keep forgetting Kat hasn’t gotten voted out yet”.

37. Conner: Like Kate, I wanted to like him more than I did, and I think their relationship with each other was great and I admired his determination and genuineness. It was hard to watch him try to keep morale up at Vavau. Unfortunately he didn’t end up leaving much of an impact and left fairly uneventfully.

38. Phoebe: Kinda gamebotty, but for the most part her LaGrossa-esque scrappiness added a lot to the season and she is unquestionably the star of the post-swap. Her relationship with Kristie in particular was a great storyline and she’s basically what Kelley 2.0 fans think she is.

39. Des: Just about everything you could ever hope for and want out of an incomprehensible old man who ends up as first boot.

40. Craig: It’s really nice to see a gay guy who can both dominate in challenges and also talk about how someone is looking down on him saying “go girl, go girl”. He also was a really strong and enjoyable player, delivering many other great lines along the way, and his fruitless idol hunt was actually pretty enjoyable thanks to his strong camera presence. Great narrator, gone too soon.

41. Brooke: It’s like Kim Spradlin developed a personality through some edginess and cockiness before being blindsided by Chelsea at F7. Liked her a lot and her reign of terror wasn’t so bad because of the setup for her downfall.

Note: I think all of these 6 would be in my overall top 100. The top 3 would be in my top 50 and are all really close.

6. Sam: What a mess of a person. Like he’s this meathead who talks a lot about mateship and honestly and loyalty while being so clueless and inept and smiling pretty much all the time even when bad things are happening to him. His many bromances were fun, as well. I bump him down a bit because his extreme hatred of Nick was more unpleasant than funny. But for the most part I like him.

7. Flick: Idk a bit harder to describe why I like her, but I do. Her charm and aura made for somehow both a solid villain when she was in power and a solid rootable underdog in her final days, and it was done in a way that doesn’t feel disjointed or random.

8. Matt: Such a genuine guy. Just wants acceptance but often unintentionally makes it so other people don’t see him as he sees them, as shown by his amazing stuff in Kylie’s boot where he talks about never having a best friend and never being fully accepted. Having his allies talk shit about him as he was so earnest was often hard to watch, but I think that’s for the better in terms of him as a character, and I liked how he kept fighting to the bitter end. Great addition to the season.

9. Nick: I was surprised how much I loved this guy. He’s like a young Jonathan Penner who isn’t really a bad guy and means the best, but something about his personality makes him appear much more toxic than he actually is and really rubs people the wrong way. Seeing him have to overcome that and fight for his life was some of the best stuff on the season. People say he got too much airtime, but I really don’t think it was that bad, and his thirst for vengeance on Vavau could’ve been annoying, but I actually enjoyed it. His jury speech was fantastic and I think he’s the best confessionalist of the season by a wide margin. And that goes without even mentioning his story with his mother and his accidental idol and subsequent last stand. Love him and him being 3rd speaks to how great these top two are.

10. Kristie: Man, what a ride. The Kristie Bennett experience really isn’t something you can put into words because good lord is it all over the place, in all of the best of ways. She had some great relationships with Lee, El, and Phoebe, among others; she broke down on day 2, on day 54, and many times in between; she tried fishing using Rohan’s underwear what the fuck; she gave cocky confessionals about doing well despite it usually being completely unjustified; she gave some great confessionals about the subtleties of Survivor and how to actually play it; she had a story of winning for her dad only to have him come watch her win the FIC and then win the game; and so much more. I mean you really can’t define Kristie because there’s just so much… and the fact that she won is just absurdly bizarre and amazing at the same time and a perfect cap to the experience.

11. Lee: But as great as Nick and Kristie are, this wasn’t really a question. Lee was a PERFECT FTC loser, as all season long we see him being set up as this honest, moral figure, all the while doing things that everyone other than himself and El see as hypocritical and obnoxious and borderline bullying. He’s almost like a Tom Westman with none of the charm that helped Tom manage to pull off the shit he did. People compare this season to Palau with the Ulonging, with sole survivor Steph/Kristie winning, and now imagine if Steph went to the end with Tom and Katie and Tom was unable to own his actions and realize that they pissed people off. Throw in some Andrew Savage morality talk, a fascinating dynamic with Kristie, and the perfect ending to his story after his “inferiors” like Nick and Sam cause him to lose and you have one of the most well-done stories I’ve seen on the show in a while.

So I watched the first few episodes at the time, but I eventually stopped because I had some stuff going on IRL and it was too much of a time commitment. I've decided to head back to it now since I've had some more free time and I've heard good things for the most part. I came in knowing the winner and much of the boot order but not a whole lot of the story behind the boots.

I just finished the premerge and have pretty detailed notes for each episode, but they're mainly for myself to reference than anything. If anyone want to see them just lmk.

Overall I'm enjoying the season so far, but it's not without its flaws. Namely, the twists. I really didn't like the Nick/Conner swap at the time (I grew a bit more fond of it on the rewatch), but hadn't seen the other twists with the next swap and the Sue kidnap which were so much worse. The second swap in particular really set the tone for basically the whole season by being like China's kidnap but somehow a million times more unfair. There also have been some episodes that have dragged a bit at times and it does feel like they're too long much of the time.

That being said, I think it has a lot of strong points as well. While I listed the length of the episodes as a negative, it does also allow for sufficient time to develop the characters, which is great because the cast is what has elevated the season and made it enjoyable in spite of the weird stuff the producers are trying to do. Everyone has some semblance of a story and I have an idea who almost everyone is, and that's pretty damn impressive in a 24 person cast. It's a likable and interesting group of people and almost nobody feels redundant and/or pointless. I like how the fleshed out characters also make for less gamebotiness, and the gamebottiness that does exist usually enhances the characters in a positive way. There's not too much focus on idols and vote splitting, not too much false suspense, and a general vibe and attitude that I really enjoy, which probably comes in large part due to the nature of Australians in general. Of course, I've heard the season kind of starts sucking around this point, so we'll see how it shakes out, but if forced to rank it against the US seasons I'd say it lands solidly in the 8-14 range so far. It's especially a godsend in comparison to the annoying meta of MvGX and Game Changers.

Anyway, cast ranking, starting with the departed:

1. Craig: It’s really nice to see a gay guy who can both dominate in challenges and also talk about how someone is looking down on him saying “go girl, go girl”. He also was a really strong and enjoyable player, delivering many other great lines along the way, and his fruitless idol hunt was actually pretty enjoyable thanks to his strong camera presence. Great narrator, gone too soon.
2. Des: Just about everything you could ever hope for and want out of an incomprehensible old man who ends up as first boot.
3. Phoebe: Kinda gamebotty, but for the most part her LaGrossa-esque scrappiness added a lot to the season and she is unquestionably the star of the post-swap. Her relationship with Kristie in particular was a great storyline and she’s basically what Kelley 2.0 fans think she is.
4. Kat: Her relentless Rohan hatred was pretty hilarious, while sometimes she seemed way too smug for someone so useless her cockroaching her way past vote after vote was a fun side storyline. There were plenty of times where I’d say to myself “oh man I keep forgetting Kat hasn’t gotten voted out yet”.
5. Rohan: Partially because I think it’s funny to put him one spot below Kat but he was a mildly fun villain (although I think the NSPV contributed a lot more to his role as villain than anything he actually did) and his boot was pretty incredible.
6. Evan: his ineptitude was pretty amusing and he was gone nice and early.
7. Peter: Seems like an interesting guy and his story is actually pretty tragic, but overall, meh
8. Tegan: Mildly charismatic for someone so irrelevant and her relationship with Nick was fun, but there’s not a whole lot there.
9. Barry: Idk if this guy knows how to talk to the cameras. He could’ve been ironically hilarious if he had like any semblance of TV presence but not so much.
10. Bianca: “I’m a private investigator and we need to take out the big threats” — aaaaaand she’s gone.
11. Andrew: I really tried to like him as a villain, I really wanted to adore his downfall, but I just… couldn’t. His constant confessionals about how much he was running things and how much everyone else was clueless was more Hantz-esque generic rubbish than anything, and the worst part was how obnoxiously repetitive he was. His stupid analogies are mostly cringey and aren’t enough to make up for the rest, and by the end I was just waiting for him to go away to the point that I couldn't even enjoy his blindside. Maybe I’ll look back on him more fondly but for now he’s the only one I dislike in this cast.

Of those remaining, I don’t want to give my full thoughts just yet since there’s still more to go, but here’s how I’d rank them from the premerge only:

1. Nick
2. Kristie
3. Lee
4. Flick
5. Sam
6. Conner
7. Matt
8. Brooke
9. Kate
10. Kylie
11. Jennah-Louise
12. El
13. Sue

Although I do like everyone from 1-10, and 11/12 are good when they’re shown, which hasn’t been much recently.

Since I'm currently on spring break, I guess its a good time to rewatch a season. Haven't watched Micronesia in forever.

Pre-Rewatch Cast Rankings

ERIK

JASON

ELIZA

CIRIE

OZZY

PARVATI

PENNER

JAMES

ALEXIS

AMANDA

AMI

MIKEY

FAIRPLAY

TRACY

KATHY

YAU

CHET

NATALIE

MARY

JOEL

Gonna be pretty busy the rest of the day so I'll look at all the pregame material later tonight, but here's my pre-pregame info cast ranking:

1. Cirie
2. Aubry
3. Tai
4. Sandra
5. Varner
6. Michaela
7. Tony
8. Debbie
9. Ozzy
10. Hali
11. J.T.
12. Andrea
13. Brad
14. Troyzan
15. Sarah
16. Caleb
17. Zeke
18. Malcolm
19. Sierra
20. Ciera

First time actually bothering to rank the characters and write little blurbs for each, so here goes nothing.

18. Brooke - It's always hard for me to remember anything about him considering he was barely present in his only episode. I noticed him way more in the reunion.

17. Mia - She yelled.

16. John K. - Yeah he's a mechanical bull operator and ridiculously handsome, but besides that there isn't much there. He seems somewhat douchey, but not enough to stand out.

15. Lisa - Meh.

14. Brady - He earns points because a coconut falls on his head in one scene and I love that.

13. John P. - Giving me a chuckle with the "we got amber" scene is really all that puts him this high. He's fine, but not much stands out besides that moment.

12. Dolly - Dolly's adorable and bad gameplay is pretty much always fun to watch.

11. Chad - Overall fairly uninteresting, but he seems like a really likable guy, has the "leg up" scene with Chris, is kinda badass when he pulls himself back up the big structure in the first individual immunity challenge, he has good reaction shots, and I enjoy his stumbling and mumbling after he drinks the kava in his boot episode.

10. Bubba - Every night I dream about what it would've been like if Bubba made it further. He's just a fun presence all throughout his 5 episodes. His boot episode is especially great for his character with "think about the merge," the prayer scene with Rory, "build a bridge and get over it" (I actually think that we only hear other people talking about the night before when Bubba said it, but still I like the line), and him talking about always having his family on his mind when he's out there, which he talks more about in his final words.

9. Leann - Leann isn't a huge presence, but there's a lot of enjoyable tiny moments that you get from her like the earthquake confessional, her adorable celebration after winning the coconut chop challenge, her drunken conversation with Julie in the helicopter, a 5 second clip of her dancing with Julie, and her laughing hysterically during the final 7 immunity challenge before telling her best friend that they should just stop. On top of that she's on the receiving end of one of the best blindsides in 33 seasons.

8. Julie - I mainly like her for her role in Chris' revenge story, even though their friendship wasn't highlighted all throughout the season his betrayal of her is still effective. The only other stuff that stands out in my memory is when she was flirting a bunch on NuLopevi, her FTC questions, and a few nice moments with Leann.

Also I want to point out an editor joke from the rites of passage in the finale. When they get to Julie's torch you hear her talking about which parts of herself she wanted to expose to others, and as she says that you see a shot of her tanning on the beach with her bra off. It's basically nothing, but it seemed fun when I noticed it.

7. Rory - I absolutely love Rory's small arc of getting out of Yasur alive. He hides his disdain for Ami until the merge where he tries to take out the queen and fails horribly. Before that on Lopevi he created a little conflict, and the fact that he complained about the women's "CLASSLESS" behavior after winning only to then act the same way when his tribe wins is pure gold.

6. Scout - She's got some really good voting confessionals, the moment where she's singing near a visibly pissed off Sarge is hilarious, and her constantly referring to Eliza as "little one" is... something. I enjoyed seeing her role in the final 7 flip, and I like her line "I told myself that I'd play with honesty and integrity... and if that didn't work then I'd lie, cheat, and steal." Also it's nice that even though she clearly doesn't stand a chance in any of the physical challenges she still tries her hardest.

5. Sarge - Probably too high for him but whatever. Besides Rory he's the star of the Lopevi tribe as their de facto leader. His shirt at FTC is ridiculous. "You are messing me up!" is now a stand out quote for me because of the Survivor Historians.

4. Eliza - Seeing her cockroach her way through the game is always enjoyable and her constant paranoia is somewhat endearing, plus she's another character that provides conflict no matter where she is. Aside from her stare downs with Ami and Chris as well as whenever she's yelling at Twila there aren't really many specific great Eliza moments, which is part of what I look for. Regardless Eliza's still an excellent personality on this season.

3. Ami - A great complex villain. You see her eliminate her first victims in Bubba, Lisa, and Rory without any mercy, and next thing you know she's happily dancing with her girlfriend. Plus her relationship with Eliza was highlighted in her final episode and still seemed genuine despite the fact that Ami tried to vote her out in the previous episode. The fact that there's still two people ahead of her says a lot about the season.

2. Twila - She can't not be Twila. She's raw and genuine all the way to the FTC where she has compelling answers and the best closing statement that I can remember. She really gets across the regret that she feels for swearing on her sons name and it makes her an amazing tragic character to place with the likes of Ian.

1. Chris - I love everything about Chris. Obviously for starters he has one of the most unique stories out of any winner, but then there's so much more. Chris has this way of speaking that's absolutely impossible to translate to text well. Typing a quote of his in all caps is too much, he isn't yelling (at least most of the time). Just putting an exclamation point on the end isn't enough. Make certain words bold? Nah. In every sentence he says he emphasizes half of the words, and for some reason that helps make every single one of his confessionals enthralling. His countless quotes are good enough on their own, but it has to be Chris saying them to make it as great as possible. That's how it is with everything Chris touches, he turns silver to gold. He has this over the top-ness that his amazing victory celebrations only add to. It's especially great when after winning final 3 immunity you can tell that he wants to celebrate just as much as he usually does, but he's so worn down by the challenge that he can't jump around at all.

Also near the end of the game he's honestly pretty brutal with his constant lies to Julie and Eliza, but does Chris give a shit? Nope. They voted out his allies so they had it coming. His lack of mercy is extremely compelling and makes his opposite approach to the final tribal council even better. The quality of his postmerge content is too good for me to drop him down for having less premerge airtime. He's got a great story, a colorful personality, and killer soundbites. Daugherty's the best character in Vanuatu and that's a fact.

Right now it's probably my favorite season, but I'll be doing a Pearl Islands rewatch soon so that could change.

20- Stephenie

Stephenie doesn't really do anything bad, she just doesn't really have an impact on anything other than showing how tough the season will be by injuring her shoulder on the first challenge. There's more of the full of herself, GuatSteph here, and I don't mind that, and her being targeted by James, because he thinks she's the cause of her tribes always losing is kinda funny.

Where did we rank them? Is this appropriate?-

442/575, 18/20

This ranking is totally fine, falls in the range of irrelevant, boring characters. A bit higher than I'd have put her, but 442 and 482's difference is not significant at all.

19- Sugar

Kinda liked Sugar's annoyingness to the tribe at night, by talking too much, otherwise, brought nothing to the table. Stood out in first challenge for Sandra pulling her top off.

Where did we rank them? Is this appropriate?-

505/572, 20/20

Definitely a bit low I think, I mean, I still put her 19/20, but I did kinda enjoy her enough to put her above 500 at least.

18- Randy

Randy doesn't really do anything this season. He has a few lines, like "you like beating on an old man, don't you", or how Survivor is like the real world, but nothing much.

Where did we rank them? Is this appropriate?-

361/575, 16/20

Not sure why he made it to 361, he doesn't really do anything. Is it residual appreciation from Gabon? I really don't know, he'd fall in to the 400-500 range for me filled with generally underedited people or early, overall, irrelevant boots.

17- James

I really didn't like James on this rewatch. He's mildly funny at times, like during banana etiquette, but for the most part, I feel like he's not fun to watch. He's above the other 3 because he's not irrelevant, and he's good sometimes.

Where did we rank them? Is this appropriate?-

299/575, 14/20

This is too high. I don't think I had a good picture of what I thought of James 3.0 during the rankdown, so I didn't care, but I think I would have tried to actively get him out sooner if I did.

16- Candice

I don't mind Candice, although she did allow the villains to basically clean sweep to the end- Danellie, but I think she's mildly enjoyable. She has little things that make me enjoy her, like when JT and James are going to race, "are you serious???", and her exchange with Sandra before the tribal where she proves that she would flip are both good Candice, and character wise, there's nothing bad. Her early alliance with Cirie is also interesting.

Where did we rank them? Is this appropriate?-

491/575, 19/20

I think that's low, because I don't think Candice did anything that bad, honestly, most of what I think of is either good or neutral, but the only reason I have her this low because her flip messed with what I think would be a better storyline in HvV.

15- Cirie

Cirie is always fun, but she was really minor in this season. She's here because Cirie doesn't do much this season, she is key in the first few votes, allying with Candice, but then gets the boot because she has connections and is a threat.

Where did we rank them? Is this appropriate?-

301/575, 15/20

Seems fine, if maybe a little high for a pleasant, but overall, unimportant character.

14- Tyson

That blunder though, voting himself out. Tyson's a good character, has fun lines like about Colby's masculinity, or "I guess the Heroes were waiting to wallop us, they must have loaded up on steroid sandwiches, they were all crazy-eyed and it was almost scary to look in their faces, not it was intimidating... I was worried for their sanity.". Or mocking Coach while trying to comfort him. Less Tyson, but still Tyson.

Where did we rank them? Is this appropriate?-

238/575, 11/20

Perfectly fine ranking, for a hilarious character put in a minor role because he's a pre-merger because he did something stupid, but that adds to the Tyson story here. I really like this Tyson. Really wish I could have put him higher, but he's not as relevant to the season as those above him.

13- Danielle

Danielle went up here, because I like her in scenes like getting frustrated and arguing with Russell in her boot tribal, as well as her catfight with Amanda. Her speech telling Russell he won't get any votes is good. Danielle is actually a pretty decent character.

Where did we rank them? Is this appropriate?-

421/575, 17/20

Yeah, I definitely think this is too low. Danielle is present, and isn't a bad character, which means I think she should at least be around the halfway mark, around 300.

12- Russell

Russell is a huge storyline in HvV. Its fun to laugh about how wrong he is about so many things, especially as we get down towards the end, but Russell's also pretty terrible, too much like Samoa Russell in the pre-merge especially. This Russell is a mix of good and bad, so I'd rank him about right in the middle.

Where did we rank them? Is this appropriate?-

253/575, 12/20

This is appropriate, a little above the halfway mark.

11- Tom

Tom is the underdog of the heroes tribe, creating some strategic tension in the Heroes, idoling out Cirie, getting annoyed with James, which I felt the same way about. He's someone adapting to a newer game, and is successful at it, but just doesn't get in with the right numbers. I think Tom could have been really good had he lasted longer.

Where did we rank them? Is this appropriate?-

10/20, 209/575

I think this is a pretty good placement for a really good premerge underdog character on the Heroes, and a bit of the audience's voice at times, someone who's adapting. When he was originally nominated was crazy early, and a certain someone kept trying to get me to cut Tom, but I obviously refused. Near 200 seems good.

10- Rob

Rob vs Russell is a good pre-merge storyline, and this is a good version of Rob, from trying to be the hero, then passing out, observing how terrible his tribe is, and generally being the hero of the villains before falling to the villain of the villains is a really good, but short story/arc for Rob.

Where did we rank them? Is this appropriate?-

9/20, 169/575

Good placement for a solidly good character.

9- Courtney

Very minor presence, but makes the most of every second of it. For how little her edit was, she has a lot of mentions in my notes, which take note of things I find important in an episode. She has her mocking confessionals, one liners, glares, and everything you love about China Courtney, but less of it.

Where did we rank them? Is this appropriate?-

7/20, 123/575

I honestly think that's a bit high for a character who has such a small presence on the season, but considering how well that presence was used by Courtney, I guess I can see it.

8- Colby

Colby still has the charisma, the charm, the good confessionals and everything, that alone makes him a solidly good character, but his older version isn't as physical, and that gets us the frustrated Colby that's also good. Colby's just an always good character.

Where did we rank them? Is this appropriate?-

166/575, 8/20

This seems just about right, he's a solid character with nothing bad about him, and has the charm.

7- Amanda

Probably my most questionable decision, but I really liked Amanda on my rewatch. Her love for James, even though I disagree, how she said there was an etiquette for eating bananas, the catfight with Danielle, her interactions with Parvati before the JT boot, when she told Jeff "OK, Jeff. I know you've been waiting forever to do this, so just do it Jeff.". I just really liked watching Amanda on HvV, to me, it felt reminiscent more of China Amanda which I really liked. Lots of moments I enjoyed.

Where did we rank them? Is this appropriate?-

279/575, 13/20

Maybe appropriate, but personally, wouldn't have her that low. I know I cut her, but before my rewatch. I think she should be quite a bit higher, at minimum top 200.

6- Rupert

The tie-dye pirate. He's still Rupert. Never been a huge Rupert fan, but he's always been good. The hero, the ultimate hero. The broken toe. The gruffy voice.

Where did we rank them? Is this appropriate?-

119/575, 6/20

Seems completely appropriate. Same position, about where'd I put them.

5- Jerri

Really liked Jerri this season. The Coach relationship early on, flipping on Rob to Russell, then ending up being the person Russell took out right before the end. She's older, is pretty much the same, but looks heroic in comparison. Her first individual challenge win.

Where did we rank them? Is this appropriate?-

86/575, 4/20

4- Coach

3- Parvati

2- JT

1- Sandra

So, yeah, it took me a pretty long time (almost a month), but that's best I can do with my spared time (plus only really watching on Weekends, so.)

My overall thought of the season is that it's still really great as everybody remembers: the cast is very strong, almost everybody is very likable, it has good villains, heroes, fun emotional storylines, decent amount of comedy, pretty great and well-rounded edit, and a satisfying winner with Michele, who yes, I ended up liking more on the re-watch. I don't find much problems within the season other than maybe wishing for a slightly different Aubry-edit and I fucking hated that jury-removal twist, but alas, let's get to the rankings!: (BTW Don't tell /u/DabuSurvivor that I'm ripping off his "comparing to where we ranked them", lol)

18) Anna - Not a lot to say about Anna pretty much, she was my least-fav going in, and she's my least favorite now. Not a bad character, just slightly gamebotty plus her being booted in one of the weaker episodes of the season doesn't really help, so.

Rank Given: 17/18 for KR, 410/575 overall. Do I agree?: It's Anna, so.

17) Peter - Yeah... idk why but I just didn't really enjoyed Peter overall, he started out pretty fun and I had high hopes for him, but like in my first watch, I just got kind of nothing, it was pretty lulzy how bad he was at Survivor, but he himself wasn't good enough for me to justify rank him any higher in such a good cast.

Rank Given: 8/18 for KR, 208/575 overall.

Do I agree?: EHHHH I mean I would have him way lower, obv, but I can sort of kinda see what other people see in him even though I really don't.

16. Nick

17. Debbie

18. Caleb

19. Darnell

20. Lizbot

21. Neal

22. Julia

23. Joe

24. Cydney

25. Michele

26. Alecia

27. Jason

28. Aubry

29. Jenny

30. Scot

31. Tai

Reasons later. /u/DabuSurvivor /u/Slicer37 /u/fleaa /u/WilburDes

The main sub is pretty split on the two seasons and I do think everyone here prefers KR almost unanimously, I wanted to get people's takes on the two seasons. Is there a decent gap between the two seasons?

I'd think off the top of my head, KR is #7/25 and MvGX is around #15-17/25.

If I think about it, HvV is the season I probably remember the least, so during the next week or so, I hope I can finish it, or else it'll have to wait until February.

Starting the premiere tonight, will record my thoughts here.

Rankings going in:

1. Sandra

2. Coach

3. JT

4. Parvati

5. Jerri

6. Rupert

7. Courtney

8. Colby

9. Tom

10. Rob

11. Amanda

12. Tyson

13. Russell

14. James

15. Danielle

16. Cirie

17. Randy

18. Sugar

19. Stephenie

20. Candice

I just made this list on the spot, of what I think right now, but it gets the general sense. From about 14-20, not really sure, all of them fall into the "meh" category for me.

So I decided that I will re-watch bunch of seasons... and I'm gonna start with one that I actually like and haven't seen in a while... Koah Rong.

I just re-watched the premiere and it was even stronger than I remembered. I'll go on each tribe indvidually:

Beauty:

Definitely the least entertaining tribe so far, Michelle I thought was a bit too UTR for my liking, and despite Anna being the "biggest character" from the girls in this episode, she was clearly unmemorable. Nick didn't do much aside from his funny confessional, Caleb was okay, and Tai was obviously great.

Brain:

It was fun seeing Peter's douchey journey starts here, and Joe/Debbie made better impressions on me than I remembered. Lizbot was still Lizbot, Neal wasn't as interesting as I remembered, and man Aubry was fantastic, looking forward to liking her more in this re-watch.

Brawn:

Definitely the most entertaining tribe, from Alecia the underdog to Jenny who was the absolute star in this episode (can't wait for the next one!) and Darnell being a fun first boot I couldn't ask for more.

Definitely a solid premiere for a strong season.

It's back! [Episode Six] (https://www.reddit.com/r/survivor/comments/5jjkik/survivor_tavarua_episode_sixhell_is_other_people/) has been posted. /u/willseamon /u/qngff /u/GivePopPopYourHair please upvote, reply, respond, and do what you need to do!

Hey guys! If you guys could quickly give me five minutes of your day to support a fun project of mine, I'll super appreciate it!

Because the S34 casting news seems to be bugging and/or annoying everybody, I thought of a fun exercise which may entertain us during this off-season and alleviate some of the tension. I decided to do a FANTASTY Boot Order for the S34 Cast. Essentially, I’m trying to simulate a season, with coherent storyline and some fun surprises which arise from this cast. Feel free to predict the boot order and to discuss whether the right moves were made. Hell, vote for who you think was the player of the week!

The link is [here] (https://www.reddit.com/r/SurvivorRankdownII/comments/4m1vyx/survivor_tavarua_please_support/), and please upvote, speculate, comment and support! One episode will be posted each week. And hey, I'll post links to each episode in this thread in the SR2, so everything is handy and compartmentalised for you.

I welcome Winner Betting and Speculation. Please, have fun!

I finished up my final exams and I'll have a lot more free time over the next few weeks, so figured why not rewatch some Survivor. So I'm gonna go with the only two seasons (other than MvGX) that I've seen only once: Cambodia and Kaoh Rong. Refresh on some S34 stuff and get some updated thoughts on the characters.

Anyway, Cambodia. Currently sits #26/33 on my rankings. How will the cast hold up on the second time around? Is there anything worthwhile in the postmerge? Is Varner a lock to stay at #1? How obnoxious did Spencer's edit really get? Is there any way Kelley will manage to entertain me or not fall in the 20 spot in my final cast ranking? Stay tuned to find out!

First one got archived so here we go, posting about Amazon next!

I need some time to solifify mine, but I think Jay's at the top, and Rachel's at the bottom.

Hoping for a good one, but expectations are low, going into this 6 person finale.

Well, double boot. I think the Sunday vote was pretty silly, why not take out David?

Adam wasted an idol, Will I really still have no opinion on even after this breakthrough. I just didn't feel engaged with this episode like I have been with most episodes, I don't like it that much.

Well, that was a great ending. Definitely two very good episodes, and I kinda wanted Zeke to go home, but rocks are great too.

Taylor's gone :(... but Jay and Adam are both better and have more depth as characters and players than Taylor does, so probably better for the future.

That blindside though... that was great.

Thoughts going into a merge:

But Jay would have Michelle, Will and Taylor... so its 4 3 Millenial split there. Jay and Will would probably have Bret and Sunday too, since they pretty much saved them. I think that Jessica/Ken scene plus the one with David on the meetup with Taylor associates both with Taylor. We have Chris and David with Zeke.

Jay, Will, Taylor, Michelle, +Bret, Sunday, Jessica, Ken.

Hannah, Zeke, Adam+ Chris

Basically David has a choice I guess? I would more closely associate him with Chris and Zeke over Taylor, so I guess its a 8-5 split?

Go

Good episode.

I still have Michelle as winner, but definitely not as high. Although, didn't Michele (32) have a episode like this in one of the swap episodes, except she didn't go to tribal?

How does everyone feel about the characters so far?

Well, that was a very surprising result.

I missed the part before the first commercial, so idk about that, but this was a pretty good episode I think. Ratings would be 2>4>3>1 so far.