"Art is never finished, only abandoned."

We all know how bad X-Men The Last Stand turn out, with its rushed and convoluted plot, bloated dialogue, and underusing many great X-Men characters, but I read this post that someone else made and I give credit to this Devon guy for this great post he made, basically simply take Jean Gray out, and make it set up the Sentinels instead of the Dark Phoenix. But I want to go a bit further in a few other areas that could have fix the movie, but also an idea that I felt could have made all of this possible.

https://www.reddit.com/r/fixingmovies/comments/bwwqmy/fixing_xmen_last_stand/

Here is the link I am referring to, and it has all of the things that I fully agree with, but now to make some own additions to this whole thing. I will list a few things that they should have done in order to make this work.

First

Make Magneto go through with this goal in X2 with humanity in this movie as well. And while we are at it, make the Brotherhood of Mutants a true threat this time to humanity.

Okay, here is something that disturbed me with this movie. Magneto at no point of Last Stand stated any intentions with humanity other than just destroying the cure and making sure it cannot be used on mutants. But in the second movie, he attempted to kill all humans in the finale thanks to how the humans will tried this, and decided to do the same thing with a Dark Cerebro when William Stryker tried to do the same thing to mutants. That basically crosses the point to him being a genocidal maniac. Here, what would he do when he was done wit the cure? Enslave humanity, kill them all? At no point was this ever explained or revealed, and usually the villains reveal their motivations at some point. Yes he said “Nothing can stop us” when he was done with his speech about their plan, but what then. If this was supposed to be a trilogy end, then end with the very highest stakes for humanity outright, and what better way than slaughter. I even had the idea of a speech that could work.

"Well today my mutant brothers and sisters, I have finally come to a realization of the homo-sapiens and their rule on this planet, and how our people have to suffer. They seem to think that we want their cure to become normal again, well I say that now I have fully understand the horrors of their race. That as long as they continue to fight back, and oppose our people and our mission. We will never truly be at peace. So, if their race wants genocide, then we will give them genocide. I today share no more sympathy for their race, as they are the true virus of this world, and we are their cure. Once we destroy the cure, we will cleanse the planet of their kind right down to their last human, man woman and child, and then the future of our race and and humans born afterwards will know not what we have lost, but only what we have given them. A new world for mutants, and the humans will know who their gods are, and what we given them. A graceful utopia for mutants."

And here this statement kinda balance his somewhat good side as he will make sure that new humans born after this event will know not what was lost, but only what the mutants have given them, and him getting his ultimate revenge on humanity. Because as long as they exist, they will continue to fight back, and as long as that happens, their kind is never safe, so if they want slaughter, give them slaughter, make them suffer the same pain. The movie could even start off with him just furthering mutant safety with the usual subjugation of humans, but as the film goes on, he comes to realize that extinction will be what is needed to safe his kind, and certain actions from other characters can fuel his rage to where he goes to his breaking point with humanity. Simple put, make his goal in X-2 the goal of this one, one way or another.

Second, if you are going to kill off Charles Xaiver, make it permanent!

Charles was the soul of the X-Men team, and really his goal with mutant and human relations being co-existing, and to kill him off during the film’s second act and then suddenly a post credit scene confirms he survived and then the next movie comes and then we get him alive somehow without any explaining is just bizarre. No wonder why Days of Future Past retcon this movie at the end. If you are going to kill him off, make sure it is with good reason, and that he doesn’t come back. Yes he his mind powers, and we all know Magneto isn’t going to kill his best friend unless forced too somehow one mean or another, and that comes to the next point that I am about to get into, and really just the whole bread and butter on this whole thing. I mean the could have worked it in somewhere in the link of the guy’s suggested fix he could have done.

And now, the big one.

Maybe this would have been a good film for a new villain.

Alright, here is my idea for how all of this can come together. A different villain, in my idea. A human government official who wants to see that all mutants are killed or contained as he feels that a war will end in their extinction, but he has a completely different plan than any others to come to mind. Also, have Bolivar Trask and mention William Stryker’s death as a motivation for this character. The plan is actually more of psychological warfare. For my post here, the character’s name is Arthur Everton, not in the movie, but what I am doing. A high ranking government official like Vice President or something like that, who wants to see the mutants contained or killed. But he wants to do it in a different way. He knows that they will lose in direct warfare, so he plans a psychological use. His plan would involve the “Cure”, the Sentinels, the Brotherhood of Mutants, and his government powers. A good reason for his revenge is that he is an anti-mutant man, but has a daughter who is a mutant, and a deep secret that he keeps from everyone is that he loves his daughter along with his wife, even though the kid is a mutant. They hope one day that she can be cured of her powers as she was hit by constant bullying and what not, so bad to where she was homeschooled most of her life. During a family trip one day, the psychic attack happened from X-2 occurs and he gets into a car crash that kills both his wife, and most of all, his mutant daughter who he loved so much and was never abusive. This fuels his anti-mutant hate even more, so he swears revenge to ensure that they know their place. He also against the humans who are trying to take a pacifist approach to things and would only go to war if they are provoked, so his plan would be to provoke both sides, specifically Magneto and his Brotherhood. He does extensive research on several mutants and knowing that certain events will occur because of the cure, begins putting his plan together, suggesting that the Sentinels will be used for those who refuse the cure (also make the cure for good), making the announcement of the cure public to keep his good nature in check, and somehow during one of the battles in the first or second act, he kills Charles with a gun bullet, and then does everything to erase the evidence, succeeding even, stating that while he will never get back his family, he will at least get his revenge by forever destroying mutant and human peace, and his death will be the trigger of it all. Then after some times, he then leaks certain info somehow to Magneto, and at this point he becomes enraged and plans to slaughter humanity then, and then when he sees them coming and the X-Men battling them without their leader in Alcatraz, everything starts coming together as he planned. Those mutants the X-Men will protect, and the Brotherhood will destroy, and while the humans ally with X-Men, he then sets off the Sentinels to kill any mutant by installing a virus that will ensure that his work can never be undone. Now still, some point the heroes and villains find out what he is up to, and he either dies or he goes to prison for crimes, but he ends with this statement. “Humans and mutants could never co-exist, and thanks to everything I have done, it is over. I have won, the deed is done. Mutants and humans are now permanently at war with one another, and with the Sentinels, the mutants will never survive. Accept it, it was going to fail, and I made it fail. I played you all.”

Also, Cure becomes permanent.

Need I say more, if you lose your powers because of the dart, you don’t get them back, simple.

I can go on and on and on, but what do you think?

Hello guys. So, this is my attempt at fixing a F4 Movie.

OK. The movie begins and we see Reed Richards sitting outside a room of Board of Directors of the Baxter University, waiting for his call. He is called inside. The Baxter University, which is operated by Government officers, knows about him because previously he has made some innovative technological inventions with his best friend Ben Grimm, which have come in the news. He is offered to build a portal to the other side of the universe for space exploration, at a fixed amount of fees. He agrees. Hoping to hit the mark this time after many fails at building a portal, he begins to write his notes for the portal. But the Baxter University already has some previous notes, written by a mysterious D.V.D. He is asked to build his portal from these notes and fix some of its problems. He calls Ben to the Baxter, and together they begin to build the portal. Its almost complete. But there are some gravitational pull problems. The Head of the University, Franklin Storm, calls his children, brash Johnny Storm and a calm and beautiful Sue Storm, who are experts on the subject, to help them out.

The portal is built. The spacecraft is launched. It begins to orbit a strange planet. As it is orbiting it, it gets close to its Sun. The Sun of that planet launches invisible, harmful rays at the spacecraft. The spacecraft suddenly stops because of this. The crew gets out to check the engines, but are struck by these rays. They become unconscious. After a few hours, Sue and Ben wake up, only to find the team is just lying in space. They help on Reed and Johnny on the spacecraft, and Sue decides to pilot this back to Earth. Ben begins to notice rocky features on his body, and Sue begins to generate small force fields. The spacecraft crashlands on Earth through the portal they built. Reed and Johnny are taken to the hospital for medical help. Ben notices that the rocky features are increasing on his body, his hand now feels heavy, so he runs away from the Baxter University to his home. Sue stays to look after the rest of the crew.

While operating on them, the doctors discover the powers of Reed and Johnny. Reed's hands and other parts of the body begin to grow in size unnaturally, and the heart rate of Johnny increases at an abnormal rate. Sue, while in her room, discovers her powers when she generates a force field to pick up her books fallen on the ground. At the same time she learns that she can become invisible. She goes back to Baxter to find the operation rooms of Reed and Johnny destroyed. They have been contained in a special room. She goes to talk to them and discovers that Reed can now stretch his body to immeasurable distance and Johnny can fire up his body. Confused and bewildered, the trio runs to Ben's house, only to find half of it destroyed by the New Ben. They take Ben to the University and discover that their bodies have been altered due to the atmospheric powers of the different universe. They separate from each other, but since they are not able to control their powers, they wreak havoc wherever they go. They basically become dangerous criminals type of people. They return to the University and Reed is struck with a brilliant idea. He believes that if they want to be accepted in front of the eyes of people, they need to control their powers and save the people from all types of danger.

Reed sets up a new laboratory at Baxter University to control and practice their powers. They begin to get better in their powers, but one day, Reed and Ben have a fight because Ben nearly destroyed the lab with his powers. Reed and Johnny have a same kind of fight with each other. Sue tries to calm an irritated and angry Reed down, but he buggers her off as well, upsetting the entire team. The next day, Baxter University is attacked by the forces of Latveria, who are their to steal the notes used to build the portal. Since Reed is the only one in control of his powers right now, he stops one of the men attacking secretly, and takes him to his lab.

The man reveals that he has been sent by the King of Latveria, Victor Von Doom. Reed asks The University about their involvement with Victor, cause why else would he attack them. In a flashback it is told, that before Victor became the King of Latveria, he was at the Baxter to study. He was apparently working on a portal that can take us to the other end of the universe. He was really greedy, and arrogant. When the portal was completed, he demanded a huge amount of money from the Government, but the Government shunned his need for more money, so Victor decided to quit altogether and leave. But the Government took away his portal notes before he can leave so that they can hire someone else to build the same portal from scratch. Doom Victor Doom (D.V.D) was Victor's codename, and that's why his notes had that name.

Victor came back to Latveria, and took over the kingdom after his father died. He wanted to take revenge from the Baxter and decided that he will build the portal first to beat the company's progress. He wrote new notes since his old notes were at Baxter. The portal was almost complete, except for an unsolved equation, which was in Victor's old notes. That's why Victor ordered an attack on Baxter to steal his old notes. Reed and his team, even though at odds with each other, decide to go to Latveria to investigate this case.

Before they reach Latveria, Victor had already completed his portal and travelled into deep space. He meets an ancient being called Galactus. Galactus is a cosmic entity with a hunger for different types of worlds. He was really after Earth, but he didn't know where it was. He has an advanced level of telepathy, so he can control minds. When he learns that Victor is a being of Earth, he begins to control his mind, and make him lead a way to Earth. Victor comes back to Earth, still in control of Galactus, and begins to build an even bigger portal to let Galactus come to this galaxy.

Reed and others land in Latveria, but are attacked by the defense forces set up by Victor Doom. The fight goes on and on, but there is no cooperation by anyone of them because they are currently all upset with each other. The portal is expanded. Realising the threat is bigger than they imagined, the group teams up and they manage to defeat the forces. They ask Victor to shut down the portal, but since he is under mind control, he doesn't listen to them, but then Ben beats him to the ground brutally. Reed, Johnny, and Ben travel to outer space to defeat Galactus, and they engage in a psychedelic space battle like the one in the comics. Sue stays back to shut down the portal. They defeat Galactus and before he can rise up again, Sue destroys the portal, all the while destroying the entire Latverian Palace. All of them return to New York, and have presumably became heroes because the battle at Latveria news was all over the news. The team is now called The Fantastic Four by everyone, especially the kids. Reed settle outs his differences with the team, and confesses his secret crush to Sue, who says that she would think about it.

MID - CREDIT SCENE - Victor wakes up in a hospital, and decides to vow vengeance on the heroes.

So guys, tell me what you think about it. Overall I think the characters will be like this. Reed will be the Peter Parker like nerd. Sue will be another nerdy girl. Johnny will be Tony Stark-like quippy smartass. Ben will be a grumpy Hulk-like character.

My first thought about halfway through the original Tobey McGuire film: "I would be enjoying this so much more if Spider-man was being played by Jim Carrey and the webs were coming out of his butt." Next: Venom needs to suck some juices. Spider style. Wrap up a bad guy, knock him out with some venom so you might keep the PG-13 rating, then, bad guy smoothie. Finally, where is King Pin?

As all those who cling on to franchise rights (Fox/Sony) eventually need to reboot their franchises all over, is it not time to come up with an "origin-story-free" reboot? It seems that Sony is doing that with Spiderman, so how could Fox achieve the same with their Fantastic Four franchise?

Personally, I believe people are sick of seeing the same origin stories over and over again, with only slight variation. Could a new FF film not use a "cold open", and flash back to short glimpses of the origin story later? That is a method that has successfully been used in the MCU more than once.

In doing that, the film could even open at a point in time when the FF have split up in anger, because they blame each other for their fate. That would lead to the (extremely common, I will admit) scenario where they have to come together to stop a threat, etc., etc. But it would not only cut out the origin story, but also the fall-out that leads to the split. Saves an endless amount of time that could then be used for the actual plot and for character development.

So, I should first note that Fantastic Four was a pretty good movie, in my opinion. That said, here's what I would have done with it, at first pass:

• First of all, 'it's clobbering time' does not come from Ben's abusive brother. Also, the Thing wears pants.

• First act same as the film, mostly, but with more Easter eggs and hints. Victor von Doom is working on the project to save the world, and show Victor being anxious about the project being militarized, and rather than having left and coming back he's considering leaving; he talks about the worsening tyranny in his homeland, Latveria, and brings that up as why he doesn't trust the US government. But he hits it off with Reed, and Reed convinces him to see the project through. Also add an easter egg about further worlds beyond Zero, a "negative zone". Also emphasize the risk - in particular Harvey Elder, a leading researcher at Storm Labs who died while experimenting with teleportation.

• Victor pitches the idea of going on an unsanctioned trip during drinking, but Reed brings up Ben, and Sue winds up coming in the first group instead of Victor. Reed recommends a 3-2 split, so he, Ben, and Victor make the first transfer (by lots) and the Storms the second.

• In the Impressive CGI Land of Zero, Victor emerges from the portal. They take pictures and wander around, and Victor spots the natives... namely, Moloids.

• First contact happens as they sober up, but to the explorers' surprise the Moloids recognize English, and bring them to their leader... Harvey Elder himself. Elder is quite content to be the foreign king (he's in charge as an impartial judge), but he talks about colonialism, and the threat of more newcomers, and orders them to be attacked. The group instead runs, in the only possible direction, and winds up in the Forbidden Zone, but not before Victor injures his face.

• The Forbidden Zone is a place of weird anomalies (trippy imagery), but as the four move through it, they feel stronger, and Sue's cuts heal. Despite the four's protest, Victor refuses to leave the zone, waiting for his face to heal. As such they split up.

• The four are beginning to feel weak by the time they get to the portal, but manage to get themselves strapped in and teleport. They get out, feel woozy, and wait for Victor... and meanwhile, on the other end, Victor straps himself in and the machine explodes with him inside.

• Cut to military facility, body horror, Reed remembering Victor's words about militarization and crawling away. Continue with something similar to the film, though perhaps a shorter time skip. Reed is retrieved, and the portal is built. Meanwhile Elder has Moloids venture into the Forbidden Zone for brief periods of time in experiment, speaking of the threat of a US attack.

• You see where this is going. The portal is opened, the Army comes in with machine guns, and the Moloids respond with giant monsters. Then Elder reveals his trump card: a second portal, exiting in Latveria. This is enough to cause a chain reaction that would wipe out the space between the two portals - namely, Earth. He tries to use it as blackmail, but the Moloids escalate out of fear, and Franklin Storm is killed. Then everyone begins fighting, both on Earth and on Zero. The Four are the most effective. Reed recognizes that they need to destroy the portal before the Moloids can open the Latverian portal; they do, and Earth is saved. Afterwards, they renegotiate their situation with the government, get moved out of the military, etc.. Johnny and Ben work on a personal flying car. Meanwhile Reed and Sue redo Elder's calculations in private and find that Earth was never going to be destroyed; it was all a bluff. Reed wonders what Elder was thinking, starting a war without the ability to win it. Sue points out that those monsters could have been enough to carve out territory on Earth - especially, say, in an unstable country like Latveria. Meanwhile, Elder, in federal custody, says that he merely wanted to spare his people from what was coming. What was coming, Dr. Allen asks? Elder sighs. "Annihilation."

• Post-credit scene: Victor's body, horrifically mangled, falls out of the Latverian portal as it closes. The Latverian secret police surround him, someone yells out that he's alive... and as he looks up to them, his eyes flash red with power.

Have Spiderman in the black suit follow through with the full personality change to a more Flash Thompson-like mean Pete. Have him in a romance with Gwen Stacy and rivalry with Eddie Brock for the rest of the film.

Have him fight The green goblin and the Sand-Man at a bridge, and casually send down a Web line to snag her as she's falling. Snap. In revenge and anguish, he beats the Green Goblin until the helmet comes off and it's Harry. Rush to the church, tear off the Venom Symbiote with the bells ringing in the rain. The final scene is Eddie being "anointed" with Venom, and a big toothy grin.

Movie 4 is transformation themed. Good guys: six-armed Spider-Pete teams up with Man-Wolf astronaut John Jameson. Bad guys: The Lizard (Doc Connors) and Venom. Special appearance by Blade.

A. Fox makes a deal with Marvel. Marvel has creative control.

B. DoFP doesn't happen and they proceed with the first-class timeline.