I feel that BTK killer did more murders (than available information) to satisfy his urges but didn't want attention on him, so he did them even smarty to prevent any suspicions. They probably went down as unsolved cases.

10 is a number too less for a serial killer of his calibre. And there is long period of inactivity between his last few kills too.

I just think, his killings never stopped, and after a certain interval he felt compelled to create a nice crime scene to showcase that BTK Strangler still lurks out there.

I also believe he's too smart to be caught in police's trap in 2005. I believe he voluntarily got arrested, like Kemper. Probably wanted a change of pace, or more important, who knows.

Honestly, he felt like, i have seen everything, if i believe in something then it can't be wrong. Also, a guy, who never changes their first opinion, and always likes suck ups.

In my opinion, it wasn't an old time mentality. Even now you'd find people like him. These ppl are usually the biggest hindrances in innovations.

Right from episode 1, to his last appearance.
He never cared about FBI, the criminals, the victims, the population, his juniors. All he cared was how he can make his life easy. You can say that what's wrong in doing this, but he's not doing justice to his profession, and his designation. Thus was rightly forced to retired, his seniors must've been looking for a way to get rid of him.

He would've never applied for the grant if respectively agencies didn't find it via Dr. Carr's request for funding. He simply wanted to surpress this idea about profiling criminals, nip it in the bud, in that dark basement.

He even shows typical blame defection in every scene, he believes he never has or can do something wrong. Even during his last scene of the show.

Bill shows how to be a great senior, and probably real life Bill must've played an important role in guiding real life Holden, paving way for the innovation.

What does Bill Tench mean when he 'tips' Carr to leave the party when she starts seeing guys loosening their ties?

As a queer gal.. sorry Jonathan Groff just …isn’t good here for me… he’s also way too gay to play straight imo. He’s just also way too eager seeming and the acting isn’t great.

Also, I’m bored..

I just finished watching, and how the fuck are there only 2 seasons. Like the audacity they had to not make more.

That being said, I need suggestions of similar shows preferably with a lot of seasons

The song when BTK gets caught w the auto erotic asphyxiation is so eerie and good. “In every dream home a heartache” by Roxy Music. So good for the buildup. Who catches him? Is it his wife? Or a homeowner from an alarm consultation?

Not sure if this is the right sub for this. Just finished watching Mindhunter (appalled to find out it has been cancelled!) and one thing has snagged. Does anyone know whether the social worker and related authorities would have actually expected Tench to attend all the appointments related to Brian? That seems like something that would have been firmly in the mother's domain in the 1970s, and the breadwinning father would not have been expected to be readily available. But maybe I'm wrong?

Just for laughs

Return to sender, I’ve finished it five times over fuckers

Kemper is a serial killer, and a sexual sadist, but he is also a man with a 145 IQ.

I believe in the “hug” scene he intended to show Holden several things:

1. I am not a novelty or a circus freak. I am not something to be gawked at, prodded or studied as some insect. You’ve been doing so, and it’s been subliminally pissing me off.

2. I am not the gentle Teddy bear I seem. Treat me with respect and don’t waste my time. If you visit, figure out why you’re actually coming before you do.

3. You lack a fundamental understanding of what I (and others like me) are. You think you know everything; you don’t.

4. You think you have been studying me. What you don’t realise is, in turn, I have been studying you. You let your guard down, which is exactly what my victims / and victims of men like me have done, to their detriment. This is a lesson not to do so again, be it in a future visit or in the field. The next time you won’t be lucky.

5. You’ve just barely scraped the surface of an ocean and you don’t even know it. You’re not ready to go in deeper yet.

6. I may be the one in chains, but when you’re in my presence I hold all the cards.

7. I actually give great hugs.

The beginning scene has him dropping mail in the mailbox. BTK sent his first letter in 1974, if I'm correct. After the Otero murders. Still early stages with the fbi.

I thought I’d share a snippet of ephemeral knowledge, relating to Dr. Wendy’s pen choice and an unfortunate anachronism which slipped into the production. I’m referring  to her Parker Jotter, a model which features often in both seasons.

In particular, in season two, Dr. Wendy uses a Jotter with a yellow coloured barrel. Depending on the scene, the colour varies from yellow to gold to mustard to olive green. If you want a quick look at the pen, check out episode 2.6 when Wendy and Gregg interview Paul Bateson.

Bateson Interview

I like fountain pens and Jotters, and was keen to acquire a “Dr. Wendy” as I like the character, as well as the pen’s colour. So the hunt began.

It wasn’t easy. I checked online reference sites, especially those with vintage Jotters from the 70s and 80s, given the series’ time setting. None of the colours seemed quite right - they were too bright or too green or not shiny enough. Neither were the currently available Jotters on Amazon or in pen shops.

I returned to Netflix to see if I could take some better screen grabs. In the Bateson interview, I saw her pen didn’t have the metal band at the end of the barrel, found on most Jotters. Hmm - curious!?

Finally I saw a brief close up of the pen, where she’s showing some crime scene photos during a conference. Yep, no barrel band and are those engravings on the silver clip section?

The helpful screen grab

Anyway, to cut an increasingly long and boring story short, the Dr. Wendy Jotter is officially a 125^(th) Anniversary Edition in "Metallic Yellow." There’s no barrel band and the engravings are a series of horizontal lines above an legend; “Parker, 125 Years.”

Thing is, as Parker were founded in 1883 – the pen was released in 2013, well after Mindhunter’s era! They are somewhat tricky to find now, as they weren’t produced for that long, although there are some still out there and I managed to get one . ☺

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I'm just wondering if anyone else finds Mizzzzz Leland particularly annoying?? Why is she so insistent on Mizzzzzz instead of Miss anyway? Is there that much of a difference?

My goodness, when she was going through their house, putting her mitts on all their stuff? 🤮🤮 I found that so annoying.

Is it just me?

You've got Holden being a hostage negotiator, an instructor at the academy, going back to school, meeting his snarky girlfriend, meeting Bill and hooking up with the Behavioral Science Unit, getting the idea to start going into prisons and interviewing killers, AND getting in trouble with his boss over it. I feel like one of those Netflix Marvel shows would've taken ten episodes to get through all that.

Good pacing, I guess, is what I'm saying.

I just finished season 2 (I know, I'm very late to the party) and couldn't grasp that there is no hope for season 3. The BTK build up was very good so I couldn't just leave there without knowing how the case proceeded. So I'm asking for any good resources(videos/documentaries) about this case. Thanks in advance.

So if you have a look online you’ll be able to (hopefully) figure out what actually led to BTK’s capture. Essentially it was a pretty basic bit of digital forensics (my job kinda). I found out last week that the man who found that evidence works in my company and he is so chill about it. BTK even approached him before his arrest and was asking about the very thing that led to his arrest. There’s an interview online about it. Anyway I don’t want to say names or anything detailed and please don’t go looking. Just thought I’d share this mad coincidence as I love this series and am on my third watch and it’s nice to know the end in detail I guess. How cool!

Interesting!

Looking for something along the lines of zodiac and code of a killer. I really like footages and tape recorder ASMRs.

I just finished the killers shadow and the killer across the table, anyone got any suggestions on what to listen to or watch next? Thanks

“Rewatching” Homicide (barely remember watching some original episodes back in the day) with new music because they couldn’t afford to license the original music again. Meanwhile MH might have 3-4 megahits inside of one scene. Can’t imagine the bosses were happy about that budget

Between watching This is the Zodiac Speaking doc on Netflix, getting my 4K Blu-Ray of Zodiac a couple days ago , seeing Se7en getting a 4k collectors edition, rewatching Mindhunter because I rewtahced Zodiac, and seeing Fincher working on a damn English version of Squid Games, all in the same week, I'm tired of not having Season 3. Fans have fought for less.

Hey All, recently started my second re-watch and am enthralled by the quality and detail of this show. I've noticed a few things that I was pretty sure hadn't been mentioned anywhere and I thought others might find interesting:

1- Curiously, the actors Anna Torv and Hannah Gross look very similar- they could certainly be sisters. Both are extremely well cast, but I'm curious why the choice was made to have the only two significant female characters (aside from Tench's wife) look so similar. I'm wondering if the intention by Fincher was to represent some duality between them. Curious on anyone else's thoughts on this.

2- In Season 2, Episode 4 where Wendy is bowling with her date and struggling to get any pins down, the music is China Grove by the Doobie Bros. However, as soon as Wendy locates her shot and knocks a pin down, the music changes in that exact moment to "More Than A Feeling" by Boston. Of course, Wendy transferred from Boston, and the moment she maybe felt like herself in her new home, a song by a band named after her original hometown begins. Can't be a coincidence, but a wonderful detail.

3- Lastly, in Season 2, Episode 3, when Jim Barney is on his way to meet Holden at the hotel, the morning after Holden meets with the mothers of the lost children, Jim walks behind a table where there is a man who is clearly make up to look exactly like Dennis Rader. The camera catches the guy a few times, and the look is so similar that it cannot a coincidence. (see pic below). I'm not implying that BTK was eating in the hotel with them, but that the Show Runners had to implying that BTK, or those like him, are everywhere.

I've been so rewarded by this rewatch, and am so sad we won't see a fitting conclusion to this show. I hope these details I've noticed might enhance a rewatch for others. Has anyone else noticed any similar detail?

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Along with Holden and Tench I had such a crush on these two. Jim has such a kind face and cool voice and while Greg has his faults he is kinda hot and loveable especially with his essentialist theory.