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This sub is catered to quality, in-depth manga discussion, so please post questions that have simple manga answers here. If you don't have 500 comment karma yet, you can post here too.
Where can I read leaks?
Read Rule #3 on the sidebar for where and when to find leaks on Twitter, Discord, and fanscan sites (TCB and Shishiso scans). DON'T post leaks outside of the pre-release megathread when you find them. Don't post them in this thread.
Where can I read the official Fanbook/Databook?
Scans and translations here and searchable text here. Also on the sidebar and sub wiki.
What is Uraume's gender?
Uraume's gender is currently unconfirmed.
What would happen if Yuji ate another Sukuna finger?
We don't know since the manga hasn't answered that question. Sukuna's fingers are Cursed Objects containing pieces of his soul so make of that what you will.
Is Gojo really dead?
Yep, looks like he is.
What is Kenjaku's plan with the Culling Game?
In short, he's using the Culling Games to produce a lot of Cursed Energy within its Barriers, with which he plans to use to evolve the human race. He wants to create a new golden age of Jujutsu. Kenjaku has apparently not revealed all his plans, Yuki cast suspicion on Tengen (the Culling Game plan infodumper) before they fought, and Kenjaku called Tengen his "friend", so it's unclear if Tengen was entirely truthful. We don't yet know how Sukuna fits into this plan, even though he and Kenjaku have been cooperating.
What is Ijichi's Cursed Technique?
How naive of you to ask. He wouldn't cheat by giving it away.
I enjoyed most of the ending. I think what's going to happen to JJK is that most people will come around to the ending once its animated, like what happened to attack on titan. Though maybe you could say that's just the anime reaching the mainstream which is less critical.
I think this sub is about 100 times better than something like r/jujutsufolk at actual discussion and thats why I'm asking here.
I want to respond to people individually but i'd like to get into at least one thing i liked, which was sukuna's conclusion. People thought either he would perish like mahito or retain his egoism & arrogance even after being defeated.
Then, gege got the best of both worlds by having him turn into a little goop creature but still refusing yuji and reiterating his nature as a curse until the very end.
Then to go even further gege got to redeem him a little in the afterlife, which I saw as a change only possible after he was violently defeated by yuji, destroying his ideology.
What did you all dislike?
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Is Toji stronger than Ijichi? Would Sukuna beat Ijichi in a fight? Compared to Ijichi, is Kenjaku really a Special Grade threat?
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Considering Kenjaku was literally the clan head at the time, he very well could have just been like "Yea we need to exterminate all these players because they're out of control and I've already added a rule preventing new entries so we're good to go" there could have been a Uro vs Kamo clan fight, or a Yuta vs Kamo clan fight. Instead we got no Gojo clan, some Zenin clan and no Kamo clan.
Go nuts!
Now a month out from the manga ending, I feel like I really understand why it felt so incredibly underwhelming to me in a way that few big Shonens really have
It wasn’t the pacing, a lot of big shonens have that issue
It wasn’t the unexplored ideas and wasted characters, again plenty of big shonens have them
It was the significant retention of the status quo, for both society and multiple individual living characters
First let’s go through the characters
Megumi: Has no visible long lasting trauma from having his body taken over, seeing it kill his sister, and drowning in evil. His reason for living is even still stated to be for others rather than himself, only change is that it went from his sister to Yuji, he even outright states that he’s trying to live for someone else one more time. On top of that, he’s never able to achieve a complete domain, despite the set up for him doing so being significantly stronger than it was for Yuji
Nobara: A completely static character since the Death Paintings, it was hinted she was close to an evolution during Shibuya, but that was stopped by her death and did not resume upon her return
Yuta: Probably the most blatant example of the ending being afraid to change the status quo, Yuta returning to his body with zero consequences except a scar and not having to face reality of being stuck in Gojo’s body that would’ve made both him and the audience uncomfortable but actively uplifted the themes and actively showed the price of sorcerer’s grey morality and detactchment from humanity. I’d argue it’s one of the most wasted plot threads in all of JJK.
These three are main characters yet they’re essentially at largely similar points to where they were early on in the story, the only living main characters that had full and interesting arcs were Yuji and Maki, but even that requires a caveat because Maki’s arc was complete 3/5 of the way into the story and she was essentially static and barely throughout the entire final arc. Gege dedicated more time to giving the Culling Game side characters like Higuruma, Charles, and the sugar kid more fleshed out arcs that concluded in the final chapters than multiple main characters
Now in regards to Jujutsu Society
Barriers: The ending completely handwaves away what happened to Tengen, saying that despite seemingly no longer being sentient and tied to the remains of a dead sorcerer they’re still somehow able to passively maintain their incredibly complex barriers all around the country. This makes the entire conflict with Tengen feel relatively pointless and without real stakes, to the point where the catalyst for the merger could’ve been changed to just a random powerful spirit and almost nothing about the plot would change. Gege tries to improve this slightly by having the characters say they should make preparations if they’re no viable, but incredibly vague preparations that happen after the plot ends really no narrative weight to them so it comes off as a pretty hollow fix, acting as just a cheap excuse to keep the status quo
Jujutsu School: Despite the higher ups being murdered, the reader is never actually shown any legitimate reform that prevents many of the same issues from popping up again, as regular students are still casually sent on missions after Cursed Spirits and Curse Users. Yeah our main cast can pretty easily handle anything that comes their way, but that’s only because everything they went through, future students could pretty easily go the same way as Haibara. I think some fans (and maybe Gege lol?) forget that Haibara didn’t die because corrupt higher ups sent him on a mission to kill him like Yuji, no, he died because he was a just student who got sent on a mission where the info was bad. His death illustrated how the system of sending students to take out monsters was inherently flawed and was the very thing that helped drive Geto to the breaking point, yet there’s no visible change to this system in the end, the status quo is maintained.
Cursed Energy: The conflict of what to do about Cursed Energy was something that was set up all the way back in Chapter 77, and reinforced during Yuki’s reintroduction in Shibuya, then mentioned again during Yuki’s fight with Kenjaku, but it seemingly died with her. This interesting conflict of what to do about an energy that underpinned their entire society had multiple proposed solutions, removing it from everybody, turning every non sorcerer into CE, killing everyone who couldn’t control it, or letting everyone control it. The first is pretty cliche, the third wasn’t feasible, but Kenjaku pretty clearly showed that the fourth is technically possible on a smaller scale with his awakenings that triggered the Culling Games. Yet the conflict as a whole died with Yuki, the second option with Merger was just turned into a failure state for the main cast and the fourth couldn’t happen because Idle Transfiguration was gone. The conflict pretty much never came up throughout Shinjuku and the plot as a whole ended with nothing being done and the status quo of CE as is remaining.
So what do y’all think? These were the things that felt uniquely bad about JJK’s ending for me, though I do admit there is still a good bit of popular shonen that also have this issue with maintaining the status quo so hard, but imo it’s not as universal an issue as bad pacing/unexplored ideas and characters
This sub is catered to quality, in-depth manga discussion, so please post questions that have simple manga answers here. If you don't have 500 comment karma yet, you can post here too.
Where can I read leaks?
Read Rule #3 on the sidebar for where and when to find leaks on Twitter, Discord, and fanscan sites (TCB and Shishiso scans). DON'T post leaks outside of the pre-release megathread when you find them. Don't post them in this thread.
Where can I read the official Fanbook/Databook?
Scans and translations here and searchable text here. Also on the sidebar and sub wiki.
What is Uraume's gender?
Uraume's gender is currently unconfirmed.
What would happen if Yuji ate another Sukuna finger?
We don't know since the manga hasn't answered that question. Sukuna's fingers are Cursed Objects containing pieces of his soul so make of that what you will.
Is Gojo really dead?
Yep, looks like he is.
What is Kenjaku's plan with the Culling Game?
In short, he's using the Culling Games to produce a lot of Cursed Energy within its Barriers, with which he plans to use to evolve the human race. He wants to create a new golden age of Jujutsu. Kenjaku has apparently not revealed all his plans, Yuki cast suspicion on Tengen (the Culling Game plan infodumper) before they fought, and Kenjaku called Tengen his "friend", so it's unclear if Tengen was entirely truthful. We don't yet know how Sukuna fits into this plan, even though he and Kenjaku have been cooperating.
What is Ijichi's Cursed Technique?
How naive of you to ask. He wouldn't cheat by giving it away.
Yujis soul ability is not explained well enough for me. We know yuji can attack the soul because he knows the shape of the soul.
But he was able to target the barrier after reading yukis book. Which he used against sukuna. The effects of yuji striking the barrier of the soul results to loss in curse technique output. Sukunas slashes got very weak because of it.
Some people think yuji can't attak the soul of non incarcerated sorcerers which doesnt make sense at all. Mahito isn't an incarnated sorcerer. People assume he can't but its simply because we haven't seen him use that ability on normal people and we dont know the effects on normal sorcerers.
Given the only people he decided to use the ability on is mahito and sukuna, it doesn't mean he can't use it on non incarnated characters.
What do yall think.
I've been thinking about Shinjuku Showdown as an arc now that it's all over and it's made me realize how much my admiration and love of Yuta and his character skyrocketed due to the it. I always thought Yuta was cool beforehand but I wasn't crazy about him (I always thought the Sendai fight and his dynamic with Ryu to be incredible). He was just a strong kid with a big heart and I don't think he changed in Shinjuku but he had so many moments to shine that I came around on him by the end.
His final conversation with Kenjaku, domain reveal on Sukuna, and fight with Yuji and Rika were an underrated sequence of events. There was even him looking sad after Gojo's death or impatiently wanting to help defend Gojo against Agito and Mahoraga being recontextualized by not wanting to use Gojo's body if he dies. He cares for and respects Gojo more than most of the cast and recognized his pain, he said if Gojo wasn't around to be a monster then he would and that's some real shit bro. Yuta's really just a nice kid who deeply cares for his friends and it's not super profound or anything but I've found it resonating with me now that JJK's all said and done.
I've been thinking back on Shinjuku Showdown as an arc and my experience of it since its beginning in early summer 2023 and how many cool moments have come from it. Just to name a few: Gojo's black flashes, Kashimo's final conversation with Sukuna, Yuta's domain reveal and his consequent fight with Yuji and Rika vs Sukuna, furnace, Yuji's domain and black flashes, Todo and Yuji team up, Choso's sacrifice, Kusakabe putting his life on the line etc. For me, my favorite part of Shinjuku Showdown during release was Gojo vs Sukuna and Nobara's return. My favorite part as of now, in terms of narrative, is probably Yuji's domain and final confrontation with Sukuna but in terms of spectacle it's definitely Yuta's domain. That sequence of Yuta's conversation with Kenjaku, popping his domain, Yuji appearing, the actual fight, and Sukuna breaking Yuta's domain and cutting him in half is one of the most kinetic and narratively succinct fights of the manga.
There is a tldr at the end.
Disclaimer: this will only discuss binding vows with oneself. Binding vows with others are just deals that have an unknown but severe penalty if you break them. I have talked about the different types of binding vows in this previous post.
Binding vows start to make a lot of sense if you think about each character as having a profile with a skill points system, with binding vows allowing the reallocation of the points. If we imagine a character that has the following profile:
Attack: 5 points
Defense: 5 points
Speed: 5 points
Then they could make a binding vow to reallocate speed points to attack points, resulting in something like:
Attack: 8 points
Defense: 5 points
Speed: 2 points.
They would therefore move slower but deal more damage on attacks.
That works for one type of binding vows with oneself, but there is also the other type, the one where you first get the benefits and then get the restriction. This can be interpret as borrowing skill points.
Going back to our imaginary character, they could instead make a binding vow to borrow 3 points of attack, so for a short period of time they would have this profile:
Attack: 8 points
Defense: 5 points
Speed: 5 points
But afterwards, they would have to give back those points with a permanent interest, so the character profile would look something like:
Attack: 3 points
Defense: 5 points
Speed: 5 points.
This was a simplified illustration of the concept, so in the rest of the post I will explain how specific binding vows from the story work.
Before i do that i need to clarify a common misconception. Binding vows can reallocate your skill points to make you better or worse at the things you know how to do, but they cannot allow you to do things that you don't have the capacity to do. You cannot make a binding vow giving you blood manipulation if you don't have the innate cursed technique, giving you flight if you have no means of flying, or giving you soul awarness if you don't already have it. You need to first unlock a skill branch to be able to allocate points to it. With that out of the way, let's analyze some binding vows from the story.
1. Mahito's instant spirit body of distorted killing vow
It was revealed in a volume 15 extra that mahito while in this form gave up the ability to transfigure his body to gain even greater toughness. This is a simple "take all the points from versatility to put them into toughness".
2. Naoya's vengeful curse spirit form
It was revealed in chapter 194 that naoya has a binding vow on his durability. To be able to resist the stress on his body from flying at mach 3, he made a binding vow to gain greater durability during his "jet form" but in turn he loses durability in his normal fighting form. This is a simple "i gain durability points in one form but i lose durability points in another form".
3. Open barrier domain's escape route
It was revealed in chapter 119 that because open barrier domains allow an escape route, a binding vow is formed that increases the effective range of the domain. That is only happening because sukuna has the skill to use both an open barrier domain and a closed barrier domain. A closed barrier domain traps the opponents inside, so allowing them to escape is a self nerf for his domain. This in turn allows sukuna to use the "skill points allowed for trapping to go for range".
Again, this only works because sukuna has unlocked both skill branches, domains with an open barrier and with a closed barrier. Somebody who only knows how to perform a closed barrier domain couldn't make a binding vow to make it open barrier.
4. Todo's re-boogie woogie
In chapter 260 we first see the vibraslap in action and we get the explanation for how it works. Changing his activation condition from clapping to the vibraslap's vibration, todo is now able to swap around 50 times per second (the frequency of the vibraslap). Todo made a binding vow limiting the number of swaps to gain greater effective range.
To exemplify it, let's say that his previous effective range of the swap was 50 meters per a single vibraslap vibration. He can now restrict his swap to happen every 5 vibrations but he will therefore get greated effective range, let's say 200 meters. This is a simple "taks skill points used for the swaps per vibrations ratio and use them for effective range".
5. Ritual for boosting the output of a cursed technique
In chapter 223 it is revealed that a master at jujutsu is able to omit the prerequisites of activating a cursed technique. However, if that master chooses to still perform the prerequisites of activating the cursed technique, this becomes a ritual for boosting the potency of the cursed technique (normally to 120%).
To explain this with the skill point mechanic, "a master of jujutsu has so many skill points in cursed technqiue activation branch that they can omit any prerequisites. However, they can make a binding vow to take some of the skill points away and therefore have to perform the prerequisites, but in turn they can reallocate those skill points on the cursed technique potency branch".
6. Sukuna's world cutting dismantle
As hypothesized by kusakabe in chapter 246, even sukuna would need some kind of restriction when doing something so complicated as extending the target of his cursed technique. In chapter 255 the narrator confirms this, that sukuna needed to make the enmaten handsign a prerequisite to launch the world cutting dismantle. However, because he only had one arm at the end of his fight with gojo, he made a binding vow to activate it once without prerequisites but then to have extra prerequisites of pointing and chanting.
In the skill point system explanation, "he borrowed skill points for the cursed technique activation branch to be able to activate the world cutting slash without any prerequisites, but he then had to pay them back with interest, meaning that he would have less skill points than he initially had so he is no longer able to activate it with only the enmaten handsign"
7. Yuji's soul cutting dismantle
In chapter 250, we found out that yuji has refined his soul awarness so much that he can specifically attack the boundary between sukuna's and megumi's soul to weaken their connection. All of yuji's hits therefore affected both sukuna's body and his connection with megumi. However, in chapter 263 sukuna notes that yuji's dismantle is selectively choosing the target of the attack (being the barrier between sukuna's and megumi's souls), and that he made a binding vow to make the strikes more effective.
In simple terms, "yuji has both the body and the soul damage branches unlocked, so he has made a binding vow to reallocate the skill points from body damage towards soul damage". He might have also made a binding vow to make dismantle activate only upon contact, but he might also just not have the skill to make them fly off so this is in speculation theory.
8. Nobara's resonance
In chapter 267 we see nobara's comeback through her resonance on sukuna's finger. Gakuganji explains how special grade cursed objects are invulnerable to physical and jujutsu attacks, and wonders if it can be used as a medium for a cursed technique.
Nobara's resonance works by both damaging the object used as medium, and by channeling her cursed technique through it. Utahime speculate that nobara could be able to give up the ability to deal damage to the medium object and focus everything on channeling the cirsed technique through it. Fortunately, it worked, meaning that damaging the medium object isn't a prerequisite (such as the handsign for the world slash or the clap/vibration for todo) but an additional effect.
This is similar to yuji's soul dismantle vow where he can damage both the body and the soul and made a vow to only damage the soul.
In simple terms, "Nobara reallocated the skill points used on resonnace's damage to the medium branch (by hitting it with a nail) to damage to the resonant soul branch".
9. Hakari's arm
The last binding vow that I'm going to discuss is hakari's binding vow from the end of his fight with kashimo, arguably the most controversial binding vow. At the end of chapter 189, kashimo grabbed hakari's arm and released all of his curse energy inside water to make a steam explosion. He did this to kill hakari, or at the very least take out his arm.
Hakari explains that he performed an impromptu binding vow to give up on his arm to gain greater cursed energy in the rest of his body, hence surviving the explosion without any major damage to the rest of his body. This is similar to what todo did to survive mahito's black flash, but it also has a binding vow added. Todo just shifted his curse energy, but he did not sacrifice anything. Hakari explicitly sacrificed his left arm (and therefore his domain expansion), so the binding vow also gave him a boost.
He did get his arm back eventually, but he cannot perform rct to heal it back on his own, and he also cannot open his domain anymore, so the price was high. He most likely took the severed hand, put it on ice, and when he reconvened with yuta or shoko they managed to reattach it. We have seen dagon open his domain expansion with a seal, but i doubt that hakari can just do that (everybody would just carry seals to activate domain expansion and cursed techniques if it were that easy).
To simplify it, "hakari used all of his skill points from the left hand branch to spread them throughout the rest of his body".
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I hope that this has helped to elucidate how binding vows work. I might make a future post where i list all the binding vows made in the story.
Tldr: you can think of each character as having a character profile with a skill point system. Binding vows allow the character to reallocate skill points from different unlocked branches, or to borrow skill points that they then have to pay with interest.
Welcome to Ijichi's Colosseum, the r/Jujutsushi bloodbath curse pit where sorcerers can throw hands over hypothetical Jujutsu matchups! We've moved the thread back to Tuesday as per user feedback.
Is Toji stronger than Ijichi? Would Sukuna beat Ijichi in a fight? Compared to Ijichi, is Kenjaku really a Special Grade threat?
Sate your powerscaling urges here!
Sukuna was on the rise. He had just destroyed Shibuya, leaving a crater after the first use of his domain expansion in the modern day. The King of Curses had made his first move against Japan.
How does one of the strongest, most politically formidable structures in jujutsu society, Japan even, respond? They attempt to kill one of their strongest assets. Why? Because she’s a woman.
In Jujutsu Kaisen, bureaucratic powers take advantage of the youth and inhibit their growth. In response to a politically corrupt world, the young cast take power into their own hands and save Japan while also healing their own familial scars. Though, for someone like Maki, that healing was found in the pools of her family’s blood, while wielding the soul of her sister as a blade. The two sisters work together to combat not only misogyny and bureaucracy, but the other demons plaguing their world as well.
Overall thesis for this project: Godzilla and Mothra create the cultural context of creatives using powerful monsters (or kaiju) to disrupt Japanese bureaucracy and society, usually to make some larger criticism.
Gege uses the Zenin as a familial and systematic personification of misogyny. Despite the fandom’s memes, Gege does not legitimize the Zenin’s misogyny at all throughout the narrative. Maki’s attack against the Zenin reminds me of something like Kill Bill or Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon; these tales focus on a woman protagonist forced to retaliate against a system that harms them first. Beatrix was forced to fight through her husband’s organization to reach him and finally get her revenge. Jen Yu spends the entire movie attempting to escape marriage and male control, and not even the strongest sword in the world can help her achieve that. Maki joins the elite fighting force within the Zenin, probably as its only woman combatant,^([)1^(]) and attempts to be part of the system, i.e. jujutsu society. Yet, her entire family still abuses her in some aspect and purposely inhibits her growth.
I argue that the significance in Maki’s annihilation lies in her being motivated by vengeance. In All-Out Attack, Godzilla rose as an amalgamation of vengeful spirits who sought to remind Japan’s of its horrific, and imperialistic past. Godzilla represented unheard voices of the suffering and powerless. Maki represents the every-woman discarded by her paternalistic family for not being a good enough daughter. Instead of doing something like an allegorical Seppuku, Maki betrays her masters and slaughters them. Maki was resurrected as a vengeful ronin to not only remind the Zenin of their sins against Toji, but their daughters as well (to drive the latter polnt home, Maki’s mother takes vengeance on Naoya). Maki’s character encompasses many profound cultural taboos; she defies Seppuku, filial piety, and jujutsu, yet she’s portrayed as a hero throughout the story. Her complex story, mixed with love, misogyny, paternalism, politics, and power, demonstrates how all of those things tie back to bureaucracy for Gege.
I argued in part 2 that the Zenin act as politicians who carry out the legislation ordained by the Higher-Ups. As such, the Zenin maintain the power to influence how the Higher-Ups grade sorcerers. Maki and the main cast understand that the Zenin were inhibiting her from moving up grades, but she first attempts to continue abiding by the system to defeat the odds, as if to prove herself to them.^([)2^(] [)3^(])
Maki’s evolution involves her discarding the system, deciding to no longer abide by her family’s rules, and finally to destroy them. Like Beatrix, Maki fights through the system and succeeds. Unlike Jen Yu, Maki’s weapon successfully tears through the patriarchal forces within her life. Gege goes so far as to condemn Gojo and Kusakabe[4] as Maki’s teachers, placing her within her own realm of power; Maki acknowledges that neither of her teachers could have helped her unlock her hidden power because it was only something that she could do. Yes, Toji unlocked this power as well, but he never acted as a teacher in Maki’s life either. Therefore, while Maki did have a predominately male guidance throughout her journey, the onus for her breakthrough was placed wholly on herself. The sumo lesson revolved around Maki needing to look inward and draw out her own power.
The destruction of the Zenin was not only an act that aided in dismantling the bureaucracy within JJK, but also the symbolic defeat of Gege’s personification of misogyny. Gege depicts misogyny as being systemic, something performed from the top down. To destroy these harmful social norms, Gege argues that sometimes, one must attack the government powers that perpetuate them. Maki begins the series using a polearm, something considered to be a woman’s weapon. Yet, in the arc where she defeats misogyny personified, she wields a katana capable of severing souls. She defies her family and kills her parents, disobeying her masters in every way. She becomes something akin to a ronin, referred to as a monster. In the end, even though Maki killed her, Maki’s mother was thankful for her daughters.
The kaiju’s rampage may be disastrous, but in Japanese media, it takes a calamity to finally enforce change.
Notes:
Introduction - Part 1 - Part 2 - Part 3
there were two types that we saw:
maki/toji: where their curse energy/ technique is sacrificed for increase physical strength
kokichi: his body is wrecked so that he can exceed his output and control his puppets over a wide range
it would be interesting to see more heavenly restrictions and i think he culling game would have been the perfect time. i know binding vows were used a lot but the concept of a binding vow being placed forced on someone at their birth my universe is really interesting and i wish gege explored it more.
There is a tldr at the end.
Binding vows are some of the most devisive concepts in jjk. I would say that this is in part due to gege not ever explaining them in depth, but also due to the fandom's impulsive way of consuming the story that doesn't lead to the most thought-out takes.
This is part 1 of my explanations of binding vows (the next one will probably come tomorrow and will be about what binding vows can and cannot do). In this post I will use the binding vows made throughout the story to draw conclusions about their inner workings. I was able to identify 5 types of binding vows based on the parties involved and the order of reward and restriction.
1. Binding vows made by the universe
This is commonly known as heavenly restriction. These are binding vows that are imposed by the universe on somebody upon birth. They are seemingly random and cannot be broken.
Examples of this include maki, toji and kokichi.
2. Binding vows made by oneself
These are binding vows imposed by you upon yourself. They are further divided into 2 categories:
2.1 Binding vows with reward first
These are the ones where you gain a reward but you'll have restrictions on yourself in the future. Because you first get the reward before any restrictions are met, they are unbreakable.
Examples of it include sukuna's world slash and miwa's "never swing a sword again". They physically lost the ability to launch the world slash by just doing the enmaten handsign, or to swing a sword.
2.2 Binding vows with conditions first
These are the ones where you have to reach prerequisites to get the reward, or they are simultaneous. These are breakable and you'll at worst lose the reward (as illustrated in the fanbook).
Examples of this include revealing one's hand, overtime and the open barrier domain escape route binding vow.
3. Binding vows made with another person
These are the binding vows imposed to the members of a group upon those same members of the group. They are further divided into two categories:
3.1 Binding vows with reward first
These are the ones where the other members of the group offer you the benefit first, before you offer your payment. These are unbreakable.
Examples of this include yuji's and sukuna's vow. Because yujis heart was healed first (his benefit), he was unable to break the vow anymore so he was physically unable to remember the vow or to take control back from sukuna during the 1 minute.
The new shadow style vow most likely also enters this category. Because you are first taught nss simple domain, you are unable to break the vow anymore so you are physically unable to teach it to others.
3.2 Binding vows with conditions first
These are the ones where you first offer your payment, and then get your benefit (or they simultaneous). These are breakable, but you will suffer an unkown penalty.
Examples include yuji's and sukuna's binding vow, but this time from sukuna's side. His benefit was the 1 minute control, but he still had the restriction of not harming anybody. Therefore, it was simultaneous so he was physically able to break it.
Kokichi's and mahito's vow also enters this category. Kokichi didn't reach his benefit until his body was fixed. Mahito didn't complete his benefit of cooperation from kokichi until kokichi's body was fixed. Therefore, none of them had reached their benefit until kokichi's body was healed, so they were both able to break it.
Tldr: besides heavenly restriction which is generally well understood, the binding vows can be divided into 2 categories (self imposed or made with others), each with their own subcategories (benefit first or restriction first). The ones with benefit first cannot be broken, breaking the self imposed restriction first binding vow makes you lose what you would have gained, and breaking the made with others restriction first binding vow gives you an unknown penalty.
Since it wasn’t necessary to maintain the purification barrier according Tengen
Basically cleave vs instant transfiguration but they only touch each others chest.
For people who were not affected by the reading comprehension curse.. during the hanami jogo Vs Gojo fight I remember Gojo said the more hanami and jogo use domain amplification, the more he had to do to maintain his CT ( idk if he meant increasing the output of his neutral infinity to keep up with the two domain amplifications ) but when he fought sukuna.. sukuna always seemed to get through his infinity when using domain amp.. my question is there a limit to how much one can reinforce their CT b4 domain amp starts disrupting it?????? Or does it depend on the one using domain amp???
So clearly everything has settled now. How do y’all feel about the series overall. Do you feel Gege aspired for more and then kinda just felt tired and decided to wrap it up? Or was the story unfolded according to his plan? For me there are a few plot points that signal Gege under-delivering and abandoning further ideas:
These are the ones I remember right now, but I’m sure there are more threads that Gege could’ve taken advantage of but ended up not doing so. I feel Gege lost his momentum somewhere along the Culling Games, maybe after Kashimo v Hakari fight, and then decided to conclude the story with the Sukuna ganging arc. What y’all think?
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Tl;dr at the end.
First off, what is CT (Cursed Technique) burnout?
For clarification, CT burnout does not happen after deploying a DE (specifically after a character says "Domain Expansion"), rather it happens after a DE (Domain Expansion) has collapsed/diminished. This is an important distinction to make as I've seen many people become confused about this.
Another thing to keep in mind is that if a user has multiple CT's, then under normal circumstances, all of the CT's are burnt out after using DE as shown with Yujo (Yuta in Gojo's body) burning out both Kenjaku's CT and limitless.
In the 5th domain clash, Sukuna fails to hold his domain, and as a result, it has collapsed. Therefore based off Kusakabe's words, Sukuna should be in CT burnout for all his CT's. However...
Not even two panels later, Sukuna is able to use Mahoraga despite still being in CT burnout. We also know that it's very unlikely that Sukuna reset his CT using Gojo's method during this timeframe considering it generally takes more than 2 pages for both Gojo and Sukuna to reset their CT, while naturally recovering a CT takes around an entire chapter for Jujutsu sorcerers (Gege is pretty consistent with this in the manga). It's further unlikely considering Sukuna is also stunned and taking brain damage as well.
This begs the question, how was Sukuna capable of bringing Mahoraga out despite being on CT burnout? There is an interpretation I've seen people use to justify this which is that pre summoned shikigami stay summoned during CT burnout. For example, if Sukuna summoned Mahoraga before using his domain, and then went into CT burnout, then Mahoraga would not be deactivated. This has been the consensus explanation for why Sukuna was capable of doing this up until now.
However, I don't think this interpretation is true.
The interpretation is unlikely to be true as Sukuna summons Mahoraga while in CT burnout. This is something a lot of people miss, as Sukuna himself narrates, "WITH THIS TREASURE, I SUMMON DIVERGENT SILA DIVINE GENERAL MAHORAGA". This would mean that Sukuna did not pre summon Mahoraga because if he had, he would not need to summon him now. What's most likely is he used partial manifestation to use Mahoraga's wheel for adaptation to UV (Unlimited Void).
Here is the interpretation that I propose to justify why Sukuna was capable of doing this.
Kusakabe states that Kenjaku was able to bypass CT burnout by utilizing some kind of barrier technique. Essentially meaning he was capable of separating CT's. By separating his body hop CT from his other CT's, he was able to not receive burn out for it while his other two CT's were burnt out.
This is what Sukuna most likely used as well. By separating Shrine and TS (Ten Shadows), every time Sukuna's domain collapsed, only Shrine would become burnt out. This makes sense because if Sukuna did not utilize Kenjaku's technique, then he would most likely lose the adaptation on UV (TS becomes unusable after using DE, which means Mahoraga's progress on an adaptation is lost).
Another thing is that this might (not sure on how exactly it works) have made it possible for Sukuna to potentially use both Shrine and TS simultaneously as CT's the same way Kenjaku is capable of using body hop and anti gravity simultaneously (as body hop is something he either needs to activate intermittently or constantly).
However, this could never have been shown as assuming that Kenjaku's method was truly a barrier technique based off Kusakabe’s words, Sukuna lost this ability after receiving brain damage from UV.
With all the information here, I think that this is the perfect piece of the puzzle to explain this. Specifically because it pretty much explains why Sukuna was capable of doing this feat, and it seems intricately placed in the story to where it doesn’t cause any potential inconsistencies.
What do you guys think? Did I miss anything? If so, let me know!
Tl;dr
Sukuna used Kenjaku's barrier technique to summon Mahoraga while on CT burnout.
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What is Uraume's gender?
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What would happen if Yuji ate another Sukuna finger?
We don't know since the manga hasn't answered that question. Sukuna's fingers are Cursed Objects containing pieces of his soul so make of that what you will.
Is Gojo really dead?
Yep, looks like he is.
What is Kenjaku's plan with the Culling Game?
In short, he's using the Culling Games to produce a lot of Cursed Energy within its Barriers, with which he plans to use to evolve the human race. He wants to create a new golden age of Jujutsu. Kenjaku has apparently not revealed all his plans, Yuki cast suspicion on Tengen (the Culling Game plan infodumper) before they fought, and Kenjaku called Tengen his "friend", so it's unclear if Tengen was entirely truthful. We don't yet know how Sukuna fits into this plan, even though he and Kenjaku have been cooperating.
What is Ijichi's Cursed Technique?
How naive of you to ask. He wouldn't cheat by giving it away.
Yuta is the strongest student and second strongest sorcerer. He's the kinda person to just try and help as many people as possible, and because of his strength, he actually can. He empathizes with yuji, his understanding of what it's like to have a curse that lashes out at those around you leads to him genuinely caring for yuji. He understands Gojo, he knows what it's like to have your strength push people away, to have it be the only thing people can see when they look at you.
Throughout the story, we see him trying to bear the burdens of those around him, to take his monstrous strength and lift as much as he can carry. He swears he's going to take out Kenjaku, to save Gojo from having to kill his soulmate again. He swears he's going to get every single point he can on his own, he sees Gojo gone and immediately takes the lead as much as he can. He spends most of his time in Sendai trying to keep the civilians who remained behind safe from curses, actively putting himself at a disadvantage against everyone he comes against.
This is Yuta's character, he does everything he can to help as many people as possible. He has Yuji's early ideology come to an apex, he just wants to give people good lives.
However, Gege loses the script, we see him slowly erode as a character, not within the story but without it. He stops trying to bear as much weight as possible, and instead changes into winning at any cost.
In Zero, we see Yuta constantly trying to get on his feet, to be understood by his peers. By the end he's come to understand Rika and the duo manage to save the sorcerer world and kill Geto. By the start of the story proper, Yuta seems to have mellowed out. Todo genuinely thinks he's cool and Hakari does as well, he's won over those around him and is a lot less timid. He spends some time in Africa, getting stronger and working with Miguel, just normal Yuta things
He comes back post-Shibuya to a bunch of half dead allies, and he immediately comes up with a plan to help buy Yuji some time. While he's at it he has a genuine conversation with him, worried for his mental health. This is a fairly standard Yuta arc
Post Shibuya Yuta decides to bear the brunt of the load, Proclaiming he alone will kill Kenjaku specifically to save Gojo from the pain. He spends most of his time in Sendai saving the locals. He takes on four of the strongest opponents in the story. But he's perfectly willing to spare Ryu and Uro. This arc is the epitome of his character, he does as much as possible, more or less alone.
Once the Shinjuku showdown arc rolls around, Yuta again contemplates trying to bear Gojo's burden, he knows he could kill Agito and Mahoraga (a domain amped five minute mode granite blast or jacob's ladder would definitely clear them out.), but he decides against it, he would get in the way. The important part is that he has to be threatened by Kashimo and talked down by his friends. He really wants to be there for his mentor, this is peak Yuta.
The problems start once Gojo goes down. He decides to risk the lives of everyone who's actively fighting Sukuna by bringing the two most useful sorcerers on the team, Todo and Takaba, with him so he can get a sure kill. Put literally anyone here against Sukuna and that battle might've been over in the first phase. He doesn't try to bear everything here, instead he's fine risking people for a better chance at getting out unscathed, I don't like this one, but it's still mostly a decision Yuta would make.
His domain is similar, we've seen him hold back just in case before, but this time going all out might've, again, allowed them to actually bring Sukuna down, if he was in five minute mode there's a good chance he would have dodged the amped cleave/world slash that brought him down, but he's saving it for later.
Shit hits the fan when he decides Gojo's corpse was nothing but a weapon for Jujutsu Society to wield as needed. He was supposed to see past Gojo's strength, to see him as a person. It's like Gege just changed his character last moment. He acts like he's willing to do whatever it takes to win, but that's not Yuta. Yuta is constantly trying to take on as much as possible. Yuta understands those around him, but not here. Gege just completely drops all the intrigue of his character for no reason.
Yuta is the most fumbled character in JJK.
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What would it be about anyways? I mean if Gege ever makes/or someone makes a sequel that if approved and overseed by Gege, what would it even be about and what aspects of a world were CE and curses are public knowledge and major countries like the USA and China know about it and have faced it in the Culling Games? Also, what new technique and thing that would expand the teachings and arsenal of Jujutsu sorcery in the modern day?
If a Heian Era manga or light novel is created, what do you want to see explored or explained other than Sukuna's, Kenjaku's or Tengen's history together?
There is no tldr because there's no conclusion to be had, it's just a description of each anti-domain technique.
Disclaimer: while most of the post is only presenting the information from the story, there are a few parts which cross into theory territory. I will mention each time I switch to presenting my speculations instead of the facts.
This post will be structured into big sections containing each anti-domain technique starting with new shadow style's simple domain as this is the one we have seen the most. While i have decided to format it as such, the post should be consumed holistically as parts from a certain section can recontextualize parts from another section.
1. New Shadow Style: Simple Domain
This anti-domain technique has been created by sadatsuna asiya during the heian era to protect his disciples from cirse spirits and curse users. To prevent this technique from falling into the hands of curse users, sadatsuna ashiya made a binding vow that forbade his new shadow style students to teach it to outsiders. However, as time went by and new people were put in charge of the new shadow style school, the initial purpose of nss simple domain got lost and the new leader monopolized it. There were also new binding vows introduced, such as the students of the new shadow style needing to obey any call to action from the leader, and the lifespan of them being siphoned by the leader. These made sorcerers reluctant to join the school, hence most sorcerers not knowing nss simple domain. Fortunately, mei mei killed the previous new shadow style leader and kusakabe succeeded them, rendering the binding vows null to make nss simple domain available to sorcerers.
New shadow style: simple domain works by creating a small empty domain around the user. This domain is able to interfere with the barrier of another domain, thus nullifying its sure it. However, the nss simple domain would get destroyed after a certain amount of time. That time interval can vary from a few moments to a very long time depending on the difference in skill between the user and the opposing domain caster.
To activate it you need to lower your stance and reach for your sword, regardless if you actually do have a sword or not. There has seemingly been one exception to this, being ui ui standing upright and just performing the concentration handsign, but this panel takes place a while after he activated the nss simple domain. It is highly likely that he had indeed crouched down as all the other users do, and then straighten himself to result in that shot.
While it isn't confirmed, the activation stance most likely doubles as a ritual for boosting the output of the anti domain technique. We know that depending on the skill of a sorcerer there are conditions required to maintain nss simple domain active. Being skilled enough to perform nss simple domain without conditions means that adding conditions to it would become a ritual to boost its output. We know that this is a fact with hollow wicker basket, and everybody maintaining the activation stance against malevolent shrine seems to support that idea.
Those were all the details regarding it's use as an anti-domain technique, but nss simple domain has other uses. Being a domain means that it sightly increases the output of the user while slightly decreasing that of the opponent. This has never been displayed as being a big factor, but it is significant enough to be stated. Besides that, the new shadow style incorporates sword techniques in the nss sd. The most significant one is kusakabe's own creation which allows him to automatically intercept anything that enters the domain. There are other sword techniques but this is mainly a post about the anti-domain properties, so I'll move on.
There is a subtle point about the nss simple domain's ability to stop sure hits that is not explicitly confirmed, so the last part of this section should be interpreted as a theory.
Does nss simple domain stop the sure hit everywhere inside the opposing domain, or just inside the domain's range? We saw how malevolent shrine's sure hit was still active outside the nss simple domains so the answer would seemingly be yes. However, open barrier domains function differently compared to closed barrier ones. We see this same question posed by choso, to which mei mei explains that in a normal domain expansion clash it is the barrier of the domains that clash, but we are left with the idea that something akin to a clash might still happen with the literal sure hits being what is clashing. We find out that she was right, because sukuna explains how he had megumi's soul take unlimited void's sure hit to shoulder the burden of adaptation. This implies that in each point of space the two sure hits were clashing, and in each point of space one of them could win. Sukuna was able to undo his own sure hit in the area of space that housed megumi's soul so unlimited void's sure hit was attacking that, but in the rest of the space inside unlimited void the two were sure hits were nullifying each other.
That is contrary to what happens in normal domain expansion clashes where the barriers are clashing so the sure hit is nullified everywhere. From Tengen's explanation, we know that the first expanded domain always extends beyond the second one, meaning that if the sure hit wasn't nullified everywhere, the barrier of the second domain would be hit by the sure hit of the first. This is corraborated by megumi's domain clash with dagon, where dagon's sure hit is stopped in the area that megumi has his domain in, but also outside it. It has been made clear that regardless of how simple, a domain is a domain. That means that if a domain expansion can stop the sure hit everywhere inside another closed barrier domain, so would a nss simple domain.
Therefore, a nss simple domain would stop the sure everywhere if used inside a closed barrier domain, and only inside it's own range for an open barrier domain
2. Hollow Wicker Basket
This anti-domain technique is the prototype of the new shadow style simple domain. Although in its first use it had the "secret technique" classification, in all of the following uses it no longer had this classification so I assume it was a mistake/retcon. Because this is a technique from outside the new shadow style school, there are no binding vows restricting it. This has resulted in it being the go-to anti-domain technique for curse users.
It is very similar to the new shadow style simple domain, so I will only state the differences.
To activate it you need to clasp your hands together, and this doubles as a ritual for boosting the output of the technique. It is worth mentioning that even though the output of the technique can be increased by maintaining the handsign, this does not mean that it cannot get overwhelmed. Outside of it's use as an anti-domain technique, it does not offer the same benefits as simple domain. It does not have any sword techniques incorporated in it, and it is unknown if it slightly increases the caster's output like simple domain does. This is probably why it is only the prototype.
While it does not have all the benefits of nss simple domain, the ritual for boosting its output can make it superior to nss simple domain if the user can fight effectively without the use of 2 of their hands, such as it is for sukuna and mahito.
3. Secret Technique: Falling Blossom Emotion
This anti-domain technique has been passed down in the three great families. It is a secret technique because the three great families do not disclose it to outsiders, but there doesn't seem to be any binding vow restricting it like with the new shadow style simple domain. Its creator is unknown but because all three great families have it, it is possible that it was at one time a relatively common technique that got lost in time outside the three great families who kept it in their records, similarly to how sukuna's technique details got lost in time.
Falling blossom emotion doesn't work by expanding its own domain to interfere with the barrier of a domain expansion, it instead shrouds the user in curse energy which is programmed to automatically counter-attacks the sure hit the moment it makes contact. Because it works by counter-attacking the sure hit with curse energy, it only works against physical sure hits like malevolent shrine's, and not against complex sure hits like unlimited void's. However, because it is a pure curse energy manipulation technique, it cannot get ripped appart by a domain like simple domain does. If the output difference is large, the sure hit will only be weakened, but if the difference isn't large then the sure hit will be completely nullified.
To activate it, it seems like you need to lower your stance and put your arms in front of you. Both naobito and gojo have used it this way as an anti-domain technique, but ogi has activate it in a sword drawing stance similar to the one for nss simple domain. It's either that the stance is only required for its use as an anti-domain technique, or it is not required at all and is only used as a ritual to boost its output.
Similar to the new shadow style simple domain, falling blossom emotion can be used outside its scope as an anti-domain technique. The curse energy that shrouds the user during falling blossom emotion can be used to attack anything it comes into contact with, not just sure hits.
4. Domain Amplification
Domain amplification has seemingly been created by kenjaku to bypass gojo's infinity, having taught it to jogo and hanami for the shibuya plan, and then to sukuna for the shinjuku showdown.
While it has only been used to counteract curse techniques, the fanbook mentions that it can also neutralize sure hits. We have never seen this done or be explained in the story so the next part will be a theory on how it can neutralize sure hits.
I plan to make a separate post about domain amplification (and this post is already absurdly long), so i will only briefly talk about how it might he able to stop sure hits.
The easiest answer would be that because it is a domain, it would act identically to nss simple domain and domain expansions. However, sukuna opted to hold on to gojo to not be affected by unlimited void's sure hit, which to me would indicate that he didn't think that domain amplification would stop unlimited void's sure hit even for a few moments. Similarly, even though jogo had domain amplification activated, he was still stunned as much as the others by the 0.2 seconds unlimited void in shibuya. These aren't consistent with how nss simple domain works, so i have a different idea.
Domain amplification doesn't nullify the sure hit by interfering with the barrier of the domain like nss simple domain or domain expansions do, it does so by absorbing it into the domain. This would be identical to how it nullifies innate cursed techniques. If the output of the innate cursed technique/sure hit is lower than the output of the domain amplification, it would be nullified. Otherwise it would only be reduced. This means that domain amplification would be similar to falling blossom emotion in practice, not being dispelled by the domain expansions but also not completely stopping the sure hit.
The reason why sukuna didn't try it against gojo or yuta, and why it didn't protect jogo at all against unlimited void is because of the nature of the sure hits. Even if you manage to reduce the strength of unlimited void's sure hit, it would still overload you with information which would make you unable to do anything. This means that for the moment the sure hit activates domain amplification would reduce its effect, but that reduced effect would incapacitate you so the next moment domain amplification would be undone. Similarly, Jacob's ladder extinguished curse techniques, so it would undo domain amplification. That means that for these type of sure hits, nss simple domain and hollow wicker basket are the only options to protect yourself.
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There are more things that could be said and theorised about, from what domains really are, to how barriers work or how innate domains function, but i will end this post here. Perhaps gege will reveal more about the inner workings of the power system in the far future, but for the near future this is all the information there is to work with.
During the final dialogue with Kusakabe and Yuji or as it’s narrating that Gojo wins, we see Megkuna extend his arm out toward Gojo in what looks like a desperate reach for help similar to that Hana/Angel moment but then blows up.
During this implosion is when the world bisecting slash is fired and kills Gojo but as a result of using it in the depleted state, it would force that body to crumble similar to Kashimo’s CT but it’s due to Megumi’s body’s CE full depletion.
Basically it would be the same scenario however Gojo would be the one to force Sukuna’s hand, reincarnating into his Heian era form, giving us that oh shit moment and reminding everyone HE is the King of Curses
…Kashimo can still go get worked and take out a hand or some shit lol