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• How old are you?
• Are you employed/making income?
• How much? What are your objectives with this money?
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• What is your risk tolerance? (Do you mind risking it at blackjack or do you need to know it's 100% safe?)
• What are you current holdings? (Do you already have exposure to specific funds and sectors? Have you invested in equity before?)
• Any other assets? House paid off? Cars? Partner pushing you to spend more?
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Learnt about how to build a basic DCF model and here is my first attempt at it. I have tried to put an intrinsic value on Thyrocare Tech Ltd stock which is a listed Indian company in the Healthcare/Diagnostics sector. As per my model the stock is trading at a premium of ~15% which is okay ig since it is a growing sector with huge untapped potential.

It would be of great help if people can a take a look at the model and give critics/opinions and point out if there are any mistakes/blunders in my analysis as I'm still far behind in the learning curve!

I have forecasted the cash flows for the next 10 years and derived a WACC (discount rate). I have used the Annual Reports of last 5 years for historical data and for other numbers I have used good relevant sources (can ask in comments if any doubts regarding the same)

Download the DCF model here-->https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NUbz0rcMUBXdzTeUe0avuRhn052eVJqN/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=116766694021603446146&rtpof=true&sd=true

Planning to take HDFC ERGO Optima Secure health insurance plan. Was going through the policy wordings and I found out that, there are some rules related to Locations/Zones. I.e, :

2.7. Premium Tier

The premium payable under the Policy will be computed basis the city of residence provided by the Insured Person in the Proposal Form. Classification of cities would be as under:

a. Tier 1: Delhi, National Capital Region (NCR), Mumbai, Mumbai Suburban, Thane and Navi Mumbai, Surat, Ahmedabad and Vadodara.

b. Tier 2: Rest of India.

No co-payment shall apply if Insured Person from Tier 2 avails a treatment in Tier 1.

They have clearly mentioned that if I have taken the policy residing in Tier-2 location and takes medication in Tier-1, then the policy wouldn't cover the expenses. Will that not be an issue ? For example, let's say, I have gone to Delhi for trip and health issue came. Will it not be an issue ?

Here are a few questions to get the discussion going:

1. How might registering a house at circle value affect property taxes, insurance premiums, and overall financial obligations?
2. Could it lead to legal complications, title disputes, or challenges when selling the property?
3. In what ways might potential buyers or real estate agents react if they discover discrepancies between registered value and actual market value?
4. Are there any other unforeseen risks or consequences that could arise from this scenario?

I'm curious to hear your insights and experiences. Share your thoughts, anecdotes, or any relevant knowledge you have on the matter.

Circle rate instead of circle value*

I have been using Kuvera to manage my MFs for 7 years. Recently after they got acquired, I was already thinking of moving as I don't trust CRED. However, the incidents in the past month have convinced me that it's high time to move.

I make one or two investments outside of Kuvera every year due to employer related reasons. Last month I tried importing such transactions. After the import, I noticed my portfolio value went up more than expected. Some digging and I uncovered there was a ghost folio which I had never held. I thought I'll import again, then noticed imports are now restricted to once a month.

I raised a support ticket for this. Received a response a full week later where they had not even understood the issue. I tried replying, but their mail server kept marking my emails as spam. I raised another ticket for this which went unanswered. 2 weeks later I again raised a two support tickets, one for the ghost folio and one for the mail issue. It's been a week and the only response I have received is they'll check with the concerned team on the mail issue, no response on the other ticket.

tl;dr: Import created a ghost folio, my mails get marked as spam by their mail server, so one month later I still don't have any resolution.

So at this point, what is the best alternative?

I already tried MF Central but it's missing a feature which I definitely need, the ability to see recent transactions. I can't go through the hassle of creating a statement and waiting for email every time I want to see recent transactions. So what else is good and reliable?

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NOTE If your question is I got 10k INR, what do I do to get most returns out of it?, or anything similar; there is no single answer to this question. But we will also need A LOT MORE information if we are to provide some sort of answer:

• How old are you?
• Are you employed/making income?
• How much? What are your objectives with this money?
• Do you have any loan, or big expense coming up?
• What is your risk tolerance? (Do you mind risking it at blackjack or do you need to know it's 100% safe?)
• What are you current holdings? (Do you already have exposure to specific funds and sectors? Have you invested in equity before?)
• Any other assets? House paid off? Cars? Partner pushing you to spend more?
• What is your time horizon? Do you need this money next month? Next 20yrs?
• Any big debts?
• Any other relevant financial information about you, that will be useful to give you an informed response.

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You should strongly consider consulting a registered fee-only financial advisor before making any financial decisions. Ideally, such advisors should be registered with SEBI, and have a registration number.

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So, my friend recently gifted me some The Ken articles and I really liked those, esp the Nutgraf.

I would like to discuss here are these subscriptions worth it as they cost ₹3.5k and ₹2.5k for the ken and the morning context respectively.

I can get Mint+WSJ as a combo offer in that same price and WSJ is well know newspapers with some great columns.

Any views or opinion?

Has anyone used stable money which focuses on fd investments? Its kind of an aggregator for FD investments. Please provide feedback.

I was under the impression that Nifty 50 Index funds were supposed to be the safest investments. Please explain why this particular fund is rated "very high risk". Link to the mutual fund given below.

https://www.dspim.com/invest/mutual-fund-schemes/equity-funds/nifty-50-equal-weight-index-fund/den50-regular-growth

https://boringmoney.in/p/-funds-jindal-poly-mystery

TLDR:

1. A news leak from Reuters says that SEBI has found the foreign funds that invested in A guilty of non-disclosure.
2. These funds want to settle with SEBI, which *may* be the end of the matter.
3. However, this will not answer the all-important question. Was it indeed A who was investing in his own companies via shady foreign funds?
4. Last month, India had its first class-action lawsuit in the form of Jindal Poly Films' shareholders suing the company.
5. The accusation is that the company sold one of its assets for an extremely low price to one of the Jindal promoters.
6. Unfortunately, there is very little information about the specifics of this in the public domain because NCLT suits are not public

EDIT - (SOLVED)

I've been exploring taxation on SIP withdrawals, and I want to clarify more from this community.

What I have learned?

1. Taxation at Source: When withdrawing funds from a SIP, tax is typically deducted at source. I've noticed that this deduction varies based on whether the withdrawal is considered short-term or long-term capital gains. There are many variables to this deductions.

2. Annual Tax Filing: At the end of the financial year, the gains from SIP withdrawals are included as part of the total income when filing income tax returns.

However, there seems to be confusion about whether this constitutes double taxation?

I'd like to hear from community if they have experience with SIPs and taxation?

Thanks in advance.

The government is said to be pushing the National Payments Corp of India (NPCI) for a new hero product. To compensate, the NPCI is in a mad rush to launch one feature after another. But attempting to match UPI’s fanfare has been a task in itself. And amid the tussle to do better, NPCI employees are being badgered
https://the-ken.com/story/npci-feels-the-pressure-of-repeating-upis-success/?utm_source=web&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=con_1_unit_1

I am so tired of dealing with EPF and their bureaucracy. I am convinced that there is a system wide initiative in EPF to block as many claims as possible and keep money locked into the system. Apparently they are denying 1 out of 3 claims.

According to EPF's rules posted on their website here, an employee can withdraw their full employee contribution along with interest if they did not receive wages for more than 2 months. Non-receipt of wages can be for any reason other than strike. There are no other conditions listed in the document. All of this is described pretty clearly under Para 68H Section A. Many websites and blogs also describe this withdrawal clause with similar terms.

I have not received wages for more than 2 months and it is not due to strike. So I satisfy the conditions listed in the section. I filed a withdrawal claim online requesting a withdrawal under non-receipt of wages of section. (Don't get me started on how bad the website is and how hard it is file a claim.. :|).

I get a response 15 days later saying my claim was denied. Reason was given as "1) NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ADVANCE UNDER SUCH PARA 2) NOT ELIGIBLE-INSUFFICIENT SERVICE". This makes no sense since there is no requirement for minimum service under this section.

I filed a grievance on their portal and the response I got was that "This is only when your company declared lockout and not paid wages for more than 2 months". They are reading their own rules wrong and denying claims based on their incorrect understanding! The reason they gave in the claim denial does not even match the reason they gave in response to the grievance. The final nail in the coffin is that the grievance was closed as complete and there is now no way to escalate this case except to send emails to random officers listed on the EPF website and hope that they respond.

This is completely unacceptable in 2024. Why does an officer get to deny a valid withdrawal claim and then provide no way to get the claim reviewed? Why does the officer even need to review a simple claim which can be checked automatically by the system and approved?

Some of the other withdrawal clauses have more requirements. If they can't approve a simple case with almost no requirements, how can I expect that they will carefully review complicated claims and respond properly? What if I have a medical emergency and need these funds? These funds are simply locked away in a black box with no hope of easy access.

• Which bank do you recommend for savings account or fixed deposits?

• How's your experience with wealth management services? For example, you can discuss your experience with Citigold / CitiPriority, Kotak Privy League, DB WealthPro, Axis Burgundy, ICICI Bank Wealth Management etc.

• What bank offers the best forex rates?

• Discuss the quality of the bank's mobile apps and the services they offer.

• How are the lending practices at your bank? Did your home loan / car loan / education loan get approved on time

  Were you required to purchase additional products (like insurance) to avail a loan?

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Is bank X good? Is it recommended for basic services no-frills accounts?

but please avoid asking for personal advice.

The discussion is meant for consumption by a broader audience.

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Same as the title, thought process behind this question is that , 12-15% on long term can be made without even paying any attention to the investment just by investing in index funds.

Edit- In another similar sub-reddit a person made 35-38% returns every year since 6 years, I believe there are many people doing this but they just don't bother to share their success with anyone

Original Source: https://boringmoney.in/p/wework-gets-a-bad-deal-embassy-great (my newsletter Boring Money. If you like what you read, do visit the original link to subscribe. It would mean a lot!)

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Well, here’s a convenient transaction. From the Economic Times:

Embassy Group is looking to list coworking office platform WeWork India in the domestic bourses within 18 months after acquiring US-based WeWork's 27% stakeholding in the Indian entity for about ₹700 crore, said two people with direct knowledge of the matter.

Post the acquisition, the Bengaluru-based property developer will own 100% of WeWork India. Of the total, Embassy will sell 40% stake to Enam Group, A91 Partners, CaratLane founder Mithun Sacheti, and others for ₹1,200 crore, said the people cited above.

Following the divestment, Embassy will retain a 60% stake, inclusive of 5% as Esops, before proceeding with an initial public offering, the people said.

Embassy Group is a real estate company. It owns 73% of WeWork India.1 WeWork US owns the remaining 27%. WeWork US is, unfortunately, bankrupt. So it wants to sell off its 27% stake in WeWork India to do bankruptcy stuff like repaying lenders, affording its lawyers, you get the idea.

Embassy is buying out WeWork US’s 27% for ₹700 crore. That’s a ₹2,600 crore ($310m) valuation. Embassy will then own 100% of WeWork India. All good till now. But then Embassy itself will sell 40% of WeWork India to some outside investors for ₹1,200 crore. That’s a ₹3,000 crore ($360m) valuation.

There are already two valuations here. Embassy buys from WeWork US at ₹2,600 crore and sells to Enam Group and the others at ₹3,000 crore—a 16% difference. But chuck that. There’s more happening here.

Embassy doesn’t really end up owning 100% of WeWork India. I mean, it might in theory, but it’s just flipping its stake. Here’s another way to interpret the same transaction:

1. Enam Group, etc. are the ones buying 27% of WeWork India from WeWork US. They’re paying ₹700 crore. That’s the original ₹2,600 crore valuation.
2. They’re also buying another 13% from Embassy. For this, they’re paying ₹500 crore. That makes it a ₹3,800 crore ($450m) valuation.

In the reported version that I quote at the start, Embassy pays ₹700 crore and gets ₹1,200 crore. But it’s effectively Enam and the other investors who are paying that ₹700 crore. And, separately, paying another ₹500 crore to Embassy for its stake. That’s ₹1,200 crore in all.

The two valuations are ₹2,600 crore and ₹3,800 crore—a 46% difference!

Buyer beware

WeWork India is a private company with two shareholders. Embassy is the majority shareholder, WeWork US is the minority shareholder. WeWork US is desperate to sell, and Embassy is in a position to call the shots.

Private companies’ shareholders’ agreements can have pretty much anything written into them.2 Embassy almost certainly has a “right of first refusal” which gives it the first right to buy WeWork US’s stake if it wants to sell. It also probably has other transfer restrictions which make it difficult or maybe even impossible for WeWork US to sell to an outside investor directly, even if they offer a better price.

The gist of it is that Embassy can dictate who WeWork US sells to, and consequently at what price. In 2020, WeWork had invested $100 million in WeWork India for its 27% stake. It’s been 4 years now, and WeWork India seems to be doing reasonably well. And yet, WeWork is losing money on its initial investment—it’s selling for only about $85 million.

WeWork US is selling to Embassy-approved investors at the “family & friends” price. Embassy is keeping the real deal for itself.

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Footnotes

[1] From what I gather, Embassy owns 68% and has another 5% allocated for employees as compensation via stock options.

[2] There’s nothing extraordinary about transfer restrictions—no company would want possibly rogue investors buying its shares, for instance—sometimes a company might go overboard with what it writes in the shareholders’ agreement. Byju’s is a good example. When investors are buying, they might not choose to ignore oddities in the contract, lest they lose the deal. But later they end up in court!

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Original Source: https://boringmoney.in/p/wework-gets-a-bad-deal-embassy-great

I'm new to fundamental analysis. My goal is to be able to develop muscle to understand if a company is undervalued or overvalued. I'm a begineer and i'm learning the basics from varsity's fundamental analysis module currently.

What i've learnt is that the ratios tell a story together. One ratio alone is never enough. Furthermore, the ratios themselves mean nothing, they need to be compared to other company's ratios. Furthermore, to evaulate if a company is a good investment or not, the industry in which is operates is also important to know, mainly the addreasble opportunity available to the company. I know there are many more factors.

But I'd love if anyone can suggest a system so that I can learn to ask the right questions and develop the muscle to make a decision.

I've seen people complaining on the internet that 50lpa ctc is not really 50 lpa. Because fixed component is only 25 lakh and others are stocks and RSUs. So the in hand salary is 1.8 lpa etc.

So, say I got all the money as my fixed component (50/12 lakh per month). What am I going to do with the money? Invest it of course. And the average MNC employee is not an industry expert in investing, so they'll invest it in some mutual funds or some popular stocks like ITC, Infy etc.

1. Then what's wrong with stocks and RSUs, they are already doing this job for you. Instead of a diminishing asset like cash, they are giving you stocks, which is good, right?

2. Say I got 10 lakh worth of stock from my company this year. And I have no plans to sells it and redeem the money. After 10 years, I see that the stock has underperformed or crashed. Do I have any security measures (FnO) which guarantees that I'll get at least my CTC worth of money from it, like some form of stop loss ? Or am I as vulnerable to market risks as an average outsider who has this company's stocks ?

3. What about Tax implications? I don't have to pay any taxes on it as long as I don't sell it? That's how stocks work right ? LTCG and STCG?

I don't have a job yet. So asking it here.

Thanks in advance.

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• How old are you?
• Are you employed/making income?
• How much? What are your objectives with this money?
• Do you have any loan, or big expense coming up?
• What is your risk tolerance? (Do you mind risking it at blackjack or do you need to know it's 100% safe?)
• What are you current holdings? (Do you already have exposure to specific funds and sectors? Have you invested in equity before?)
• Any other assets? House paid off? Cars? Partner pushing you to spend more?
• What is your time horizon? Do you need this money next month? Next 20yrs?
• Any big debts?
• Any other relevant financial information about you, that will be useful to give you an informed response.

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You should strongly consider consulting a registered fee-only financial advisor before making any financial decisions. Ideally, such advisors should be registered with SEBI, and have a registration number.

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Original Source: https://boringmoney.in/p/rbi-wants-traders-out-of-currency

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The most vanilla reason to use a derivative is to hedge your position. Say you’ve bought the stock of Timbuktu, Inc. because you think it will go up. But Timbuktu’s stock performance isn’t just a function of the quality of Timbuktu, its business prospects, etc. It’s also a function of the general market sentiment. But you don’t care about the general market sentiment! You just want to bet on Timbuktu the company! So what you could do is buy a put option on the broad market index. That way, if the general market goes down and takes Timbuktu down with it, you might lose money on the stock but you’ll make money on the option. So it’ll even out.

Derivatives like options are great for hedging because they give the buyer a way to bet on the underlying thing (could be a stock, bond, commodity, whatever) without actually buying or borrowing it. So, of course, people don’t buy and sell options just for vanilla hedging anymore. They buy and sell options because they’re okay spending a small bit of money to bet on the price of the underlying product going up or down.

I mean… I don’t recommend anyone trade options, but yes, you can do that and that’s what people do. But the trades are risky and SEBI even has a slightly annoying warning pop up every time people login to their brokerage accounts. But weird people trading options in the hope of making a lot of money while risking their entire capital is somewhat acceptable for stock stuff, so that’s as far as SEBI might want to go.

On the other hand, the RBI regulates currency stuff, and risky options trading seems to be less acceptable for currency derivatives. From Bloomberg earlier this month:

India’s central bank said it will stick to its requirement for participants in the exchange-traded currency derivatives market to have an actual exposure, and that some players were misusing the facility.

The Reserve Bank of India in 2014 allowed traders to take positions of up to $10 million, which was later raised to $100 million, without having to provide evidence on the underlying hedge. It didn’t do away with the need of having the exposure, top officials said.

“Some market participants have been misusing this to mean a relaxation in documentary evidence is tantamount to no underlying which is not the case, and which is a violation of the law,” Deputy Governor Michael Patra said at a media briefing Friday.

The RBI had issued a circular back in January which said that if anyone wanted to trade currency derivatives involving the Indian Rupee, they could only do so for the vanilla reason of hedging. RBI is apparently sensitive and doesn’t like it when people bet on the direction of the value of the Rupee.

In the panic room

RBI’s new policy was to come into force on April 5 this year, but because of some panic, it decided to defer its implementation by a month. Here’s a glimpse into some of that panic:

"Once this rule comes into effect, we expect a more than 90% fall in our volumes. The market volumes will likely drop by a similar margin," said Arnob Biswas, head forex research at SMC Global Securities.

"From our point of view, this market is practically over, at least for the time being."

Also,

An official at a large brokerage pointed out that only a small portion of their clients - corporates and foreign portfolio investors - would be able to meet the hedging specification.

According to a recent publication by NSE, India's leading exchange for currency derivatives, corporates accounted for just 3.9% of the currency derivatives turnover based on notional turnover in February while foreign investors contributed 6.2%.

Proprietary traders and individual investors were responsible for 80% of the turnover.

"These were the market markers and the liquidity providers. With them out, who will provide prices to the hedgers?," the official said.

If you’re a company that imports, say, marbles from the US to India and buys a USD/INR call option, the RBI is perfectly fine with it. You’re against the Rupee falling against the Dollar between the time you strike a deal and actually pay for your order. But whom do you buy the call option from?

The obvious answer is from someone who takes the other side of the trade. If you’re worried about the INR going down against the Dollar, there might be someone else worried about the opposite. But it’s not realistic to expect this company to turn up on the exchange at the exact same time as you. So, instead, you’d actually be buying this option from a middleman, whose business it is to constantly buy and sell those derivatives (or stocks, or anything) for a living.

Of course, these middlemen, the market makers, aren’t out there to be middlemen. They’re the hedge funds and quant funds, the traders with high-speed computing power running algorithms and strategies with expectations of making a lot of money. [1] They just end up accidentally providing an important service of providing liquidity for other people in the market.

Some figures say that at least 80% [2] of the current turnover of the currency derivatives market comprises prop traders and individual traders. These are the folks just betting on the price going up or down. The ones that aren’t importing marbles from the US. The ones that the RBI wants out. But if they go out, whom are the hedgers going to buy their options from?

What honey is for flies

Okay, so RBI’s new policy is going to reduce liquidity in the currency derivatives market. It already has! I checked the numbers and the turnover is already obliterated to less than 2% of what it was two months back. But let’s hold this thought.

One day before its new policy was to come into force, the RBI put out this press release whose gist goes something like this—“umm, actuallyyyy, there is no change in our policy. The recent circular is just a consolidation of previous directions.”

People’s reaction to RBI’s new circular was panic but RBI is saying they changed nothing? Here’s an angry tweet thread by Deepak Shenoy where he says the RBI’s decision is unruly and it’s essentially lying when it says that there is no change in policy.

I get it! This is what Shenoy points out was in RBI’s old policy:

Any Indian resident can trade currency futures or options on a stock change to hedge an exposure, or otherwise.

And in RBI’s new policy:

Recognized Stock Exchanges shall inform users that while they are not required to establish the existence of underlying exposure, they must ensure the existence of a valid underlying contracted exposure which has been not hedged using any other derivative contract and should be in a position to establish the same, if required.

That “or otherwise” in the older policy gave a lot of leeway which the new policy clearly does not. So… what does the RBI want here exactly? It could’ve just said so then? Did it want to change the policy but not look bad while it did it? No success there, for sure.

I’d like to think that this whole thing was a mistake. That someone at RBI forgot to slip in that “or otherwise” in the new policy and then the org was too embarrassed to admit it. “Hey bros, bros. Chill down. This really was our policy all along. Continue as you would,” RBI seems to say. [3]

For now, the currency derivatives market is dead. But that’s right now! The new policy is fresh. Is the market going to remain dead after, say, 6 months?

RBI is ultimately relying on brokers [4] to ensure that their customers are hedging and not just betting on the price if they trade a currency derivative. But traders don’t need to show proof and hedging and brokers don’t need to ask for it.

The currency derivatives market is already illiquid in comparison to two months ago. In general, any illiquid market is going to see more price fluctuations. [5] And price fluctuations are going to make it lucrative for traders to come in and make a quick buck. [6] The only thing in their way? Brokers who don’t have to check for proof anyway.

I’m not saying that the traders will come back, I don’t know. But the RBI is definitely making it more lucrative for them to come back. I’m marking my calendar at 6 months to check.

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Footnotes

[1] Overall, that is. And with high volumes. Market making is a low margin, high volume business.

[2] Considering the drop in the currency derivative trading volume already, I’d say the real number is much higher than these estimates. Probably 90–95%.

[3] An obvious question that crops up here is—if there is no change in policy, what exactly did RBI defer until May 3?

[4] Well, sort of. The RBI’s actually relying on the stock exchange, which ultimately relies on brokers. But sure, if the stock exchange feels that a certain broker’s customers may not be hedging and just trading, it can always ask the broker to check.

[5] The guest experts story from last month is a good example of how there can be sharp fluctuations in less liquid options.

[6] This can be a double-edged sword though. If the price goes up and down more, traders can make more money out of each trade. But they can also lose more money.

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Original Source: https://boringmoney.in/p/rbi-wants-traders-out-of-currency

What do you people think about Tata Chemicals? The company has had good sales growth in last 2 FYs although last 2 quarters had negative growth + slight reduction in operating margins due to reduced demand of soda ash.

Interesting part is that TCL holds 2.53% stake in Tata sons (which during recent IPO news was rumored to be valued at $100 billion) which if taken at market value would significantly raise the book value of TCL.

The P/B ratio is currently 1.3 but if Tata Sons stake is considered then it would be <<1. P/E ratio is 16 which is also decent.

Even the results might not be positive but it is still a stable Tata group company and the reduced demand for soda ash might be transient phenomenon? What's your view and how would you value the unquoted Tata Sons stake worth 60% of the M-cap of TCL itself...

PS: The stock had hit back to back UCs f/b downswing back to original price when the IPO news of Tata Sons came and then was denied later on.

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