As a short guy (5'4) who has spent time all over the world, I specifically only seem to be undesirable to Western women (US, Central and Western Europe etc). Tinder in America I may get 1-3 matches a week, while Tinder in Southeast Asia I get hundreds of matches per day. The few matches I do get in the US would be also considered low quality to most (obesity, no job, single moms etc) while overseas I don't have this problem, at all. And before anyone tries to make any socioeconomic claims, I can match with women in China who make more money than me without issue.

Beyond getting matches, I've never had a woman break up with me overseas - at least so far. They all appreciate me. It's not like I'm matching with these women and my personality fumbles the bag. I could go on but you get the point. Call me crazy, but I don't think my personality suddenly transforms into an unbearable incel as soon as the plane lands on American soil.

To summarize - I don't think this notion that these men can't get laid due to personality issues holds much weight. I would venture to guess most of these men fired up their dating apps during or right after college, with no baggage or hostility, then reality really hits them in the face when they experience how undesirable they really are to Western women while they see their more genetically gifted peers not struggle at all.

Sure, some will still be successful either through pure luck or really standing out with other qualities, but you'd have to be delusional to think the supply of women who are willing to date short men and the amount of short men that exist isn't extremely skewed.

What happens next? These young, genetically unlucky men may try self-improvement at first - going to the gym, getting nicer clothing, building a better profile/pictures etc - but most of them won't see any gain from an SMV standpoint after doing these things. At that point is where the resentment starts to build and they look outward instead of inward - going down the Andrew Tate path, "blackpill", etc.

No one is born misogynistic nor do I know any children that think women are inferior. This is learned behavior. If you ran around doing street interviews and asked eastern women what the word "incel" even means, most of them wouldn't even know what you're talking about. It's a non-issue over there. No one is obligated to entertain these men, but maybe you should look at your eastern sisters and maybe just be nicer to one another if you still have a shred of empathy left for anyone who isn't in "your tribe". A hug and acknowledging someone's existence, even if you don't want to fuck them, goes a long way.

Look, I get it some incels are terrible people. But when you are insulting them for their height or for balding you are by extension doing it to other people with those features.

How it was explained to me is, imagine you are walking with your friend who is overweight and you see someone who looks like them and start making jokes and insulting them for how they look, how do you think your friend would feel?

As a short guy who has been genuinely body shamed for it from the time I was little it kinda annoys me.

The core message of this sub is good, calling out violent and awful people but sometimes the people in this sub end up acting like the people they are calling out.

Before you go into my dm’s or comment insulting me know this, yes I am insecure about my appearance, I have bdd mostly because how I’ve been treated, insecurity doesn’t come from nowhere.

Btw, I’m not an incel. Just because someone calls you out in your shitty behavior doesn’t make them an incel.

Edit: if you send me DMs insulting me I will block you.

I am 22 years old only been on 2-3 dates and am trying to come up with a plan. My plan is to go out in public and try to see if any of the girls come to me that way I don't look desperate coming to them. I'm hoping to find someone friendly get their number potentially then get to know them then go from there. As a guy Is this plan more likely to be a success or a fail? Why? Another sidenote (I do not identify as an Incel even though I do sometimes get lonely, I do not feel entitled to another girl and do not condone any of the famous incel behaviors)

I’ve posted here before about the studied link between incels and narcissistic personality disorder. I think many of us have sensed that these individuals often have dark tetrad personality traits. IMO, the most common denominator is sadism. They fantasize about hurting women, Chad, and even the children of those they hate. Those that aren’t as extreme appear to desire some sort of “revenge” on the entire female gender.

Narcissistic supply is defined loosely as a constant need for admiration and attention in order to maintain self esteem. Supply is the lifeblood for individuals with narcissistic personality traits. It fuels their grandiose self-image and provides a constant stream of validation that reinforces their perceived superiority. And when they’re socially incapable of obtaining supply, they experience “narcissistic injury”, which is a hard blow to an already fragile ego. They experience high emotional dysregulation, and often make desperate attempts to gain supply again. For incels, this seems to happen in the forums they frequent. They’re seeking validation for their abhorrent thoughts and fantasies, which get more grandiose and severe over time.

These are mostly nefarious individuals. I fully believe some of them are young and essentially groomed into the incel doctrine, so they might have some hope. They’re exceptions. But most seem to be naturally attracted to incel ideology due to their already established traits.

I’ve said this before, and many of you have said it too: these individuals should be on a watchlist.

Pretty sure amusement parks do it for your own safety.

Also very certain that sperm banks aren't gonna stop you if your bald. I don't know, I don't go to every sperm bank in America and ask for quality "seed". And everyone's eyes are colored. Brown, blue, green, and black are colors.

I love seeing my DMs blow up after posting in here. This particular dude is giving me serious Nice Guy™️ vibes. How very dare I refuse to speak to yet another obvious incel joining the brigade!

That makes sense

What’s the main reason?

According to Elliot Rodger’s diary I think he got upset with the girls who had boyfriend (even if he wasn’t attracted to them)

Anyway, I’ve had to run to the store 3 times in the last hour cause I’ve run out of candy and I’m about to have to make another trip.

I'm 14m and I don't have any friends at school, I haven't had a girlfriend since elementary (doesn't really count) and I'm totally unable to talk to people, My social skills are bad and I had to do online school last year because the school forced me which also ruined my social skills. I don't want to be a 30 year old hating others because of my loneliness but that might be me in the future