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A subreddit for posting and discussion of ForgottenWeapons, InRange TV videos and the subject matter inside.

THIS SUBREDDIT IS NOT JUST FOR RANDOM PICTURES OF GUNS YOU FOUND ELSEWHERE ON REDDIT.

Discussion about old, obscure, or anachronistic firearms not currently covered in any ForgottenWeapons videos is explicitly allowed and encouraged. If you have a weapon in you would like to do a write up on and share with us we want to hear about it. This subreddit is not just videos Ian post, but any Forgotten Weapon.

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Japanese Type 97 ( or most Probably Type-89 ) aircraft machine un modified for Ground use .

8 Comments
2024/04/14
11:14 UTC

79

Will smg’s become obsolete

I have a feeling a few people have thought of this but I just wanted to post it to get other people’s opinions.

83 Comments
2024/04/14
10:24 UTC

111

John Moses Browning posing with an M1917 heavy machine gun

5 Comments
2024/04/14
04:58 UTC

578

Strange Spanish colonial era gun/crossbow hybrid thingy?

26 Comments
2024/04/13
21:26 UTC

93

I found this photo some time ago on social media. The caption says "Experimental Italian anti-tank rifle in 12.7×81mm SR caliber". Do you know anything about it? It looks interesting.

16 Comments
2024/04/13
11:20 UTC

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When did U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) use the Steyr Aug?

EDIT: The information has been found! Thanks guys. For anyone looking for this info too, see the below:

The former U.S. Customs Service, which was part of the U.S. Treasury, seems to have originally acquired these AUGs.

In March 2003, the Customs Service was moved under the brand new Department of Homeland Security (DHS), it was combined with the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), and reorganized into two organizations under DHS: Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and Customs and Border Protection (CPB, which includes the Border Patrol).

With that out of the way, here are some links with proof:

2010 - CBP usage, Page 71: https://info.publicintelligence.net/CBP-ForcePolicyHandbook.pdf#page11

2004 ICE usage, Page 40 https://govtribe.com/file/government-file/attachment-16-interim-ice-firearms-policy-dot-pdf

1993 - US Customs Service usage, Page 87: https://books.google.com/books/about/Inability_of_the_U_S_Customs_Service_to.html?id=LLa_rBvX-9EC

And finally, this one’s pretty damn fun: 1988 - U.S. Comptroller decision letter, dismissing Colt’s protest that the specifications of a 1987 RFP (No. CS-87- 090) for the acquisition of a new rifle by the U.S. Customs Service was literally just describing a Steyr AUG (and it totally was haha): https://www.gao.gov/assets/490/486673.pdf

Gun South, Inc. (GSI) appears to be the company that was awarded the 1987 U.S. Customs Service contract to import the Steyr AUG!

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UPDATE: MORE COOL HISTORY

This is both an interesting story and another explanation of how a bunch of AUG’s made their way into various smaller U.S. law enforcement and military agencies. I found a pair of court cases related to Gun South, Inc. (GSI):

1988/1989: GSI was also importing semi-auto Steyr AUG-SA rifles (which had been approved for sporting use by the ATF), but were held/confiscated at the airport by the U.S. Customs Service due to a 1989 Office of National Drug Policy temporary suspension of the import of the Steyr AUG and four other rifles. The ATF also seemingly screwed them over: https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/877/858/270195/

1991 - We learn here that at some point the government gave the rifles back to GSI and allowed them to sell the rifles to law enforcement and military agencies, since civilian sale had been recently banned. This is likely how a lot of these guns made it to random SWAT teams and other agencies in the U.S. — However, this case is actually from many years later, when a 1991 National Guard captain (Nevius) was acquiring these guns from GSI and then immediately reselling them to an FFL (F.J. Vollmer) for profit. https://casetext.com/case/us-v-fj-vollmer-co-inc

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Original post: I keep hearing anecdotally that ICE agents at one point were issued Steyr AUG’s before they too were replaced by the M4.

Even Wikipedia makes a super brief mention of it, but its only source is the now defunct and very-reputable-sounding website “riflesnguns.com”. Wikipedia provides a link to an archived version of the site (I’ll link it in the comments) but I’m struggling to find anything on there besides a couple cool pictures of the gun.

Aaaand….that’s the most I’ve been able to find on the topic. There is no mention of it seemingly anywhere, let alone evidence or photos. Who were issued these in ICE? Was it HSI agents, ERO agents? I’m beginning to wonder if this even happened lol

25 Comments
2024/04/13
04:47 UTC

95

Why did Israel put a bipod on the galil?

35 Comments
2024/04/13
00:11 UTC

579

Chinese PPSh prototype from 1947 with a unique barrel shroud and muzzle device

20 Comments
2024/04/12
18:22 UTC

520

Rare Hammer Vepr-12 captured by Ukrainian soldier somewhere in Ukraine

39 Comments
2024/04/11
23:17 UTC

120

Arisaka Type 99(?) Among Other Weapons Captured by People's Defense Force and Karen National Liberation Army from the Myanmar/Burmese Military Dictatorship After the recent battles at Myawaddy Township

11 Comments
2024/04/11
01:09 UTC

451

Austro-Hungarian sidearms of the early 1900s

21 Comments
2024/04/10
23:43 UTC

28

March 1887 British patent for a double-column box magazine

2 Comments
2024/04/10
21:47 UTC

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Anyone got a clue what this is? Because I sure as hell don't

4 Comments
2024/04/10
20:08 UTC

303

Screen grab for anyone who missed it from the Royal Armouries

34 Comments
2024/04/10
16:31 UTC

210

Russian sniper with an ORSIS T5000M that’s been fitted with a Dedal-T4.645 Hunter thermal scope. Next to him, perched on a Leofoto tripod are Venox “Dozor-4” thermal binoculars

9 Comments
2024/04/10
15:42 UTC

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Automatkarbin 24 (AK 24), adopted by Swedish military

99 Comments
2024/04/10
13:26 UTC

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