Is cam ward worth the pick?

For me in my 8 man sf

I have the 1.01, 1.02 and 1.04

At qb I have burrow and Jordan love (and Matthew Stanford and Jordan Travis)

At rb I have bijan and kyren (and basically a bunch of good backups)

I have a lot of solid young wr (zay, Ladd, btj, dk, olave, McMillan. Odunze, aiyuk)

My current plan is to take jeanty and tet with the 1.01 and 1.02 (unless something drastic changes) but the 1.04 is where it gets complicated.

Currently deciding between Omarion and cam ward.

I worry that I need a strong qb 2 to be able to win it all in an 8 man but at the same time idk if cam ward is even that good. Just because he’s the best in his class doesn’t mean that he’s actually good. I’m worried he might just come play for 2 years and then be a career backup, but also cam has been underestimated his entire career and keeps proving people wrong

The other arguement is to take the best player available. I’m worried kyren is boosted too much by his situation. Adding jeanty and Omarion could significantly lower the risk of injury and set me up at rb for the next 7 years atleast. If I did this I would also trade for some of the cheaper qbs like Dak, jj, Bryce young, or something along those lines

I’m also an Omarion truther and a unc fan so there is some bias but he is legitimately incredible. He is just bit jeanty which is his biggest negative

I get the hype around him since he had a couple of great games late in the season. I personally have him on my roster and actually traded for him after his rookie year.

Im glad I did (traded a 3rd round pick), but I’m thinking of flipping him now that he has value. I don’t really see him being a starter on my team anytime soon, or evolving in more that a bestball asset.

Am I the only one who thought he looked slow and not that good, even with the good level of production he had?

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I am creating a work dynasty league and we currently have 9 people. 2 of the people are a couple and are ok teaming up to give us an even 8 teams. I feel like we need atleast 10 teams for a Dynasty, mainly because I've never seen an 8-team dynasty league and I feel that is too small. What do you guys think? Is 8 ok or should we find a random/ non-work person to make the 10th team?

Who is your biggest dynasty buy before NFL free agency? This could be a player who is a free agent themselves, benefitting from a free agent on the depth chart, or just an undervalued dynasty asset. There are a drove of free agent running backs in the RB1 or RB2 spots on depth charts. Sam Darnold sticking in Minnesota (or not) will affect multiple depth charts. The early sides are Tee Higgins will ultimately stay in Cincinnati.

I admittedly watch very little college football (which makes playing Dynasty interesting). Chip Kelly got bounced from ND, LSU, to then resurrect his career at Ohio State. Jim Harbaugh is all about running the damn ball. For those you who have, any ideas on impact on the current rostered players (Bowers, Jakobi, their RB room) and expectations for who Vegas might go after in the draft that would fit his kind of scheme well?

I know we are ways away from the draft but this kind of longer term thinking might be beneficial to attempt to read the tea leaves and make moves that could produce dynasty dividends.

Jacob Infante outlined the Bears' offseason outlook and how both the RB1 and RB2 jobs in Chicago are up for grabs.

Should dynasty owners be bailing on D'Andre Swift? For what?

https://bleav.com/shows/dynasty-fantasy-football-under-the-helmet/?p=491

I’m putting together a 12-team, Superflex, Full PPR dynasty league with a $50 buy-in (LeagueSafe) and want to make sure it’s set up for long-term success. I’ve seen too many leagues fall apart after a year or two, so I want to get it right from the start.

For those of you who have been in great dynasty leagues, what’s the one setting, rule, or format tweak that’s helped it last? And on the flip side, what’s something that has killed a league for you in the past?

(Also, if anyone’s looking to join a serious, long-term dynasty league, I still have a few spots open.)

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12 Team SF Ping Pong Ball Lottery Distribution:

1st worst overall max PF receives 55 ping pong balls 2nd worst max PF receives 25 3rd worst max PF receives 10 4th worst max PF receives 5 5th worst max PF receives 3 6th worst max PF receives 2

Consolation Bracket Distribution:

1st place: 25 ping pong balls 2nd place: 12 ping pong balls 3rd place: 6 ping pong balls 4th place: 4 ping pong balls 5th place: 3 ping pong balls 6th place: 0 ping pong balls

This year, a bubble team with a 5-9 record and 1858 Max PF won’t be consolation, getting 25 balls. The second-to-last place team with a record of 1-13 and 1244 Max PF received 25 balls and 3 for consolation. The 5-9 bubble team ultimately won the 1.01.

I think the consolation bracket is weighted unfairly. I proposed either straight Max PF for next year or reduce the consolation bracket to 12/6/3/2/1/0.

Thoughts?

Disclaimer: Please don’t actually take this “data” seriously. This is just for fun/amusement and because it’s the first draft season where the video game has existed. I’ve included the overall rating and the speed rating because if there is anything potentially useful to be mined here, maybe it can give us an idea of who will run fast at the combine and raise their draft stock.

QB

Shedeur Sanders - 95 OVR - 82 SPD

Cam Ward - 93 OVR - 86 SPD

Dillon Gabriel - 93 OVR - 81 SPD

Jalen Milroe - 92 OVR - 92 SPD

Quinn Ewers - 92 OVR - 81 SPD

Jaxson Dart - 91 OVR - 84 SPD

Kurtis Rourke - 89 OVR - 82 SPD

Cam Rising - 88 OVR - 81 SPD

Seth Henigan - 88 OVR - 77 SPD

Riley Leonard - 88 OVR - 86 SPD

Will Howard - 87 OVR - 83 SPD

Kyle McCord - 87 OVR - 75 SPD

RB

Ashton Jeanty - 98 OVR - 94 SPD

Quinshon Judkins - 95 OVR - 89 SPD

Omarion Hampton - 95 OVR - 91 SPD

Kaleb Johnson - 93 OVR - 93 SPD

Dylan Sampson - 93 OVR - 95 SPD

Treyveon Henderson - 93 OVR - 94 SPD

Ollie Gordon - 93 OVR - 90 SPD

Devin Neal - 92 OVR - 91 SPD

RJ Harvey - 92 OVR - 92 SPD

Brashard Smith - 92 OVR - 97 SPD

Tahj Brooks - 92 OVR - 88 SPD

Kyle Monangai - 92 OVR - 89 SPD

Jarquez Hunter - 91 OVR - 91 SPD

Quinton Cooley - 91 OVR - 88 SPD

Tre Stewart - 91 OVR - 91 SPD

Damien Martinez - 91 OVR - 88 SPD

Cam Skattebo - 90 OVR - 89 SPD

DJ Giddens - 90 OVR - 88 SPD

Raheim Sanders - 89 OVR - 92 SPD

Jordan James - 89 OVR - 91 SPD

Phil Mafah - 89 OVR - 88 SPD

LeQuint Allen - 89 OVR - 88 SPD

Donovan Edwards - 89 OVR - 92 SPD

Blayshul Tuten - 88 OVR - 91 SPD

Trevor Etienne - 88 OVR - 91 SPD

Kalel Mullings - 88 OVR - 87 SPD

Corey Kiner - 88 OVR - 86 SPD

Woody Marks - 87 OVR - 91 SPD

WR

Travis Hunter - 99 OVR - 95 SPD

Tet McMillan - 95 OVR - 91 SPD

Luther Burden - 94 OVR - 94 SPD

Tre Harris - 93 OVR - 92 SPD

Emeka Egbuka - 93 OVR - 92 SPD

Xavier Restrepo - 92 OVR - 92 SPD

Tez Johnson - 92 OVR - 96 SPD

Tory Horton - 91 OVR - 91 SPD

Nick Nash - 91 OVR - 89 SPD

Jayden Higgins - 90 OVR - 90 SPD

Kyren Lacy - 90 OVR - 91 SPD

Ricky White - 90 OVR - 91 SPD

Kyle Williams - 90 OVR - 90 SPD

Tai Felton - 90 OVR - 92 SPD

JaCorey Brooks - 90 OVR - 93 SPD

Isaiah Bond - 90 OVR - 98 SPD

Brennan Presley - 89 OVR - 92 SPD

Jaylin Noel - 88 OVR - 92 SPD

Jerjuan Newton - 88 OVR - 92 SPD

Jack Bech - 88 OVR - 88 SPD

Elic Ayomanor - 88 OVR - 94 SPD

Matthew Golden - 88 OVR - 93 SPD

Juice Wells - 87 OVR - 88 SPD

Coleman Owen - 87 OVR - 91 SPD

Jalen Royals - 87 OVR - 92 SPD

LaJohntay Wester - 87 OVR - 93 SPD

Pat Bryant - 87 OVR - 89 SPD

Roc Taylor - 87 OVR - 88 SPD

Jamaal Pritchett - 87 OVR - 93 SPD

TE

Tyler Warren - 95 OVR - 85 SPD

Harold Fanin Jr - 95 OVR - 85 SPD

Colston Loveland - 93 OVR - 87 SPD

Mason Taylor - 92 OVR - 81 SPD

Brant Kuithe - 91 OVR - 86 SPD

Oronde Gadsen II - 91 OVR - 88 SPD

Gunnar Helm - 89 OVR - 81 SPD

Mitchell Evans - 89 OVR - 83 SPD

Jake Briningstool - 89 OVR - 83 SPD

Caden Prieskorn - 88 OVR - 84 SPD

Terrance Ferguson - 88 OVR - 84 SPD

Luke Lachey - 87 OVR - 82 SPD

Bryson Nesbit - 87 OVR - 87 SPD

Jalin Conyers - 87 OVR - 81 SPD

(Note: My cutoff point was 87 OVR so anyone you don’t see here you can assume was below that threshold)

I was confident he was going to be a bust heading into this season. He ran the ball way too much in college for how small he is, I thought he'd get absolutely killed on the NFL but he really does a great job most of the time of just taking the yards that are there and avoiding taking hits. Glad I was wrong there.
 
If you have the 1.01 in a SF startup are you going Daniels or is it still Josh Allen? I'm still thinking it's Allen but it's crazy that it's a legitimate discussion, dude is a baller.
 
We saw a similar rise for Stroud last year, but with no rushing upside taking him in the top 5 always sounded completely ridiculous to me. Not so much with Daniels.
 
Edit: Allen is back to 9999 and #1, crisis averted ;)

Like many people, I have a few Christian McCaffrey shares heading into the 25/26 season. I’m curious how people are valuing him going forward?

It looks increasingly likely the 49ers won’t bring back Mason and unless they draft another later round RB—it’ll be CMC and Guerendo again.

As someone who has Guerendo shares should I be targeting CMC on those teams? How valuable do you think he currently compares to the guys ranked near him like J Jacobs, C Brown, K Walker, T Tracy, and others? Because of his age is he now a tier below those guys, or would you still prefer him over some of those options on a contender, especially with his handcuff?

It’s also be interesting to see how much this incoming rookie class will affect the dynasty landscape at RB. It’s a deep class and I wonder if we’ll see more older starters usurped by younger guys kind of like what Bucky did this past season. Even though his talent is rare.

Curious what CMC owners and other people maybe targeting or staying away from him think heading into 25/26.

For those weren’t playing back then most drafts went like this.

1.01 gurley 1.02 Winston (shadeur 2015 version) 1.03 Mariota (cam ward 2.0) 1.04 cooper 1.05 Melvin Gordon 1.06 TJ yeldon (?) 1.07 Devante Parker 1.08 Tevin Coleman 1.09 Ameer Abdullah 1.10 agholor 1.11 Dorian green Beckham 1.12bresahad Perriman

Notable players from later rounds 2.04 David Johnson 2.10 Tyler lockett

You have gurley who’s the Jeanty comp and cooper who could be relocated by Hunter or Tet. Otherwise the first round was littered with future backup QBs and RBs and WR2s that never saw fantasy relevance.

Trade your 2025 picks now!

I am once again just a little bit behind on the podcast release schedule, but expect the Ohio State Deeper Dive podcast to air in the next day or two. The Fantasy For Real podcast though is quite a bit ahead of these Deeper Dive posts in breaking down these players. The most recent episode features my updated pre-combine rankings.

The episode with Harold Fannin Jr. and Mason Taylor can be found here, where I discuss their prospect profiles in a bit more detail:

https://cjfreel.substack.com/p/75-jordan-james-tez-johnson-harold

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NOTE: Height & Weight for Senior Bowl players now reflected in their Bio sections. This will be updated on the next release of the Master Document.

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DEEPER DIVE #25: 

Harold Fannin Jr., TE, Bowling Green

Age: 21.01

Height: 6’ 3 1/8”

Weight: 238 lbs

A player who has a chance to be the most polarizing player in the NFL Draft, if there was ever a player to break out the “Curious Case Of…” title, it would be Harold Fannin Jr. A former 0-Star recruit with one FBS offer, Fannin Jr. has been the most productive TE in CFB over the last 1.5 years. According to his listed age, Fannin is also very young. At 21.01, only Dylan Sampson is a younger player among the ~40 Deeper Dives. The biggest and most evident concern with Fannin is clearly his size. This Deeper Dive is now updated post Senior Bowl, where Fannin's first official measurement was 6' 3 1/8", 238 lbs. While the weight is encouraging, the height showcases that Fannin is not a prototypical TE. One of the most difficult aspects of projection is fit. This is a bit of an odd comparison, but one of the reasons Isaiah Bond is so commonly graded more highly than their production is that game-breaking, field-stretching, horizontal-running elite speed is something that translates to every system in the NFL. But Fannin Jr. is likely not going to be a 1:1 replacement for anyone you have on your team or in your playbook. I’ve already heard draft analysts say things like “the team that drafts Fannin will need to have a plan for him,” and those are statements that can both raise eyebrows in general, and cause players to potentially at least fall in the NFL Draft. Specifically now that we are post-Senior Bowl, it seems that the sharp lists have both Mason Taylor AND Elijah Arroyo over Fannin Jr. currently.

Digging into those statistics of Fannin’s that are so extremely impressive, in his last 18 Games, Fannin Jr. has 144 Receptions, 1,977 Yards, and 14 TDs. While most of this comes against inferior MAC competition, as Fannin played in a lower conference, he did have two games this season against high-end B10 and SEC defenses between Penn State and Texas A&M. In these two games, Fannin combined for 19 Receptions, 282 Yards, and 2 TDs, or 141 Rec YPG. There are a few aspects of Fannin’s game that we can doubt, but the reliability in the hands is not one of those. Fannin Jr. arguably has the best hands in this class in terms of reliability regardless of position. Fannin has 4 Career Drops over the course of 232 Targets. Fannin was also absolutely elite in forcing missed tackles, with 33 in 2024. The top 2 WRs in this class, Tetairoa McMillan and Luther Burden III, led WRs in this category with 29. Fannin is getting a high dose of receptions and many of those broken tackles are coming against lesser competition, but it is still an impressive number overall. Finally, this number is more of the same and potentially double counting as we’ve already discussed all the amazing yardage numbers, but just to put it in terms of efficiency, Harold Fannin Jr. had a whopping 3.76 Yard per Route Run in his final season in College. 

It was obvious that given the competition level, we would need to see Fannin against either Penn State or A&M, and today’s Deeper Dive will be using the Penn State film. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US_vHTi1pko 

The biggest question for Fannin will be aspects of translation, and considering how impressive the number is, his missed tackles forced statistic may be one of the most important to find the translation. We see positive signs of this at 1:15 and 2:40. At 1:15 in particular, we see Fannin being a tough tackle who can drag defenders for extra yardage. Fannin may not be the most explosive player, but he does show a vertical ability to run the seam right away in this video at 0:00. There are not too many routes or breaks to be seen on this video, but we can at least get a taste of the consistent route running of Fannin at 0:40, 2:10, and 2:50. 2:10 is also an excellent example of the Missed Tackles Forced ability discussed earlier. While this can be said about most players, Fannin in particular is a player whose real evaluation probably takes more than just one simple video considering how unique he is. The biggest concern I have on the All-22 is that he lacks a bit of sudden explosiveness. It is hard to completely put your finger on, but there are simply times where his movements seem awkward, sluggish, and imbalanced. After recently listening to an episode of Football 301 with Tice & Brugler, I am updating this section to include the phrase "duck footed." It seems to come across as an issue with his balance and coordination. But regardless, while there are definitely a few plays on Fannin’s tape where I am very impressed, there are also a few plays where I find myself wondering if this will work at the next level. 

Perhaps I am underrating how the NFL will perceive Fannin, but I would be willing to bet that Fannin will not be every team’s “cup-of-tea.” If the team who drafts Fannin has fallen in love with what they believe they can do with him, he may still be drafted very highly. But it would not shock me at all if Fannin was one of those players who was just left off a number of teams' boards, or at least pushed down considerably. It is unlikely he has much utility in line, and there are significant questions about his general athletic ability. That said, Fannin is also a player who has shown skill, trait, and nuance as a receiver, as well as production that can often translate as a positive sign for the next level. And while all the concerns for Fannin’s floor are very valid, among all the fringe TEs, none should be drafted more highly for fantasy. When you consider that there are 32 starting TEs, but only 5-10 are relevant in any given year, this is a position where we should be shooting for the moon. In a lesser class, even with these concerns, Fannin could be arguably a TE1 candidate. In my eyes, Warren & Loveland are very strong prospects, and so they will likely be above Fannin throughout the process, and Fannin may at least have a similar grade to a few other TEs in this class, but among those similarly graded TEs, Fannin will likely be the clear choice unless he slips too far in the NFL Draft. Right now, I have him closer to a 3rd Round Grade than a 2nd Round Grade, with the combine being more important than usual for Harold Fannin Jr. 

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DEEPER DIVE #26: 

Mason Taylor, TE, LSU

Age: 21.04

Height: 6’ 4 7/8”

Weight: 250 lbs

While never reaching the single season heights of the top 3 TEs in this class, Mason Taylor is a young, early declare TE who has been productive from the very first season he came to LSU. Physically, Taylor has excellent size and soft hands which make him a reliable target, and someone who translates far more easily into most NFL systems compared to someone like Harold Fannin Jr. However, Taylor was only a 3-Star recruit, and it is hard to imagine that profile & exposure were an issue considering that he is the son of NFL HOF Edge Rusher Jason Taylor. Most likely, and based on my own viewing as well, that indicates a perception of a lack of elite physical upside in his explosion and/or overall speed. This is a concern, but Taylor is also someone who could feasibly do more physical maturing; he is another one of these players who has not yet played live football at 21 Years Old, as he turns 21 in a few months. Stylistically, Taylor is far more likely to be the “security blanket” TE than someone who is truly being used in dynamic roles, but again at such a young age, it may be too soon to put him in such a strict box. 

The previous section mentions that Taylor has never been a huge proportion of his offense, but in fairness this was really the only year he had potential to make that happen. Taylor’s 2023 season was his worst, but he was sharing targets/reps with Malik Nabers, Brian Thomas Jr., and Jayden Daniels’ legs. That lack of priority does show the concern of him being more of a “safety blanket,” but in fairness those are three extremely explosive play options to have to compete against every single game. Still, with just Kyren Lacy, Aaron Anderson, and a few other WRs of a much smaller profile in 2024, this would have been the year for Taylor to take the big step forward. He did have his best year, but with 55 Receptions, 546 Yards, and 2 TDs, Taylor’s proportional production is only 14.4% of Yards and 8.7% of TDs, as Nussmeier did have fairly strong volume. The TD number is a bit of a concern with Taylor, as he has only 3, 1, and 2 TDs the last three years. This was also the first year where he saw contested opportunities, as he was not targeted in contested situations in either 2022 or 2023 much at all. He converted a solid percentage of these opportunities with a very low Drop%. In terms of YAC ability, this class in general at TE is a massive case of “haves and have-nots,” and unfortunately Taylor is much closer to the “have-nots.” He has 5, 4, and 5 missed tackles forced in the last three years, which even considering competition compares very unfavorably to something like Fannin’s 33 MTF in 2024 alone. 

Unfortunately I could not find a good single game for Mason Taylor, and that likely says a bit about the proportional statistics mentioned above, but in order to showcase some of Taylor’s traits, we will use this highlight video from throughout his career: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZmWk4Qvwe8 

Although strictly breaking tackles has not been a strength of Mason Taylor thus far in his career, LSU has not been afraid of putting Taylor in situations where he can utilize his legs to create yards after catch. We see several plays where the QB flips it to Taylor in the flat, such as 0:00, 0:44, 1:06, 2:08, and 3:10. Taylor also has a massive play at 3:00, though it is my judgment that the defender really does whiff on this one pretty badly. Aside from that, there were a few plays on this video that made the case for why Taylor may struggle at breaking tackles: at 1:52, Taylor reverses field, but his feet come out from under him as he loses his balance. There are a few times where it seems that Taylor is fighting to regain balance, and so this is very likely the reason he struggles with missed tackles forced. There are a number of good adjustments to the football on this video, such as 0:15 and 0:57 with a good high point at 1:35. We also get to see Taylor running a corner at 0:30. Most of Taylor’s success at the next level will likely come down to how well he can transition into that safety blanket, and so the routes at 3:30 (which gets a great angle for the viewer) are important for his translation to the next level. 

Mason Taylor seems like a very solid TE prospect with a potential long-term future as a starter in the NFL. As a fantasy analyst chasing upside at the position that only has 5-10 relevant players, Taylor definitely has significant concerns towards reaching those lofty goals. Among the top 3 TEs in this class, Warren and Fannin have produced at a far greater level, and Loveland’s proportional numbers are excellent in context of his offense. Even in a vacuum left behind by Malik Nabers and Brian Thomas Jr., Taylor struggled to be a high volume player. Going back to the Fannin Jr. piece though, Taylor likely does have a bit more universal utility; he may be easier to slip into a good number of offensive systems, and would be far more likely to play in-line. Given his age and the fact that we can build up a solid floor for Taylor, there are definitely reasons to be optimistic that perhaps we just simply haven’t seen his best yet. At this point, I do have a 3rd Round Grade on Mason Taylor, though for Fantasy he would be clearly ranked below the similarly graded Harold Fannin Jr., with a chance of slipping towards the Day 2 Fringe (Late 3rd / Early 4th). 

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Next Deeper Dives: Tyler Warren, TE, Penn State & Gunnar Helm, TE, Texas

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C.J.

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I'm wondering where people are generally valuing Jeanty compared to the other young top talent RBs?

For me Gibbs and Bijan are the obviously still higher but past them I wonder where Jeanty falls. Is he above players like Achane and Hall or in a similar tier?

I'm trying to figure if I should make a move for him in some leagues and what I should be willing to part with.