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New Lore Video: The Gangs of Dunwall

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2024/04/09
00:33 UTC

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My attempt at making a version of King Street Brandy

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2024/03/23
20:48 UTC

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New lore video: The Pandyssian Continent

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2024/03/04
20:58 UTC

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How come Megan Foster gets her eye back when you spare Aramis Stilton?

Is there an actual explanation?

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2024/02/04
03:24 UTC

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Lore video #3: The Cult of the Outsider

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2024/01/22
23:47 UTC

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My second Dishonored Lore video: Rulers of the Empire

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2024/01/06
05:54 UTC

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New Dishonored Lore Video: The Overseers & The Abbey, Music Boxes, and Oracular Order

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2023/12/26
22:32 UTC

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Question

Does it make any difference what character I choose at the beginning of the game?

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2023/12/26
15:08 UTC

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Ripping models dishonored? can anyone do it for me ?

Ripping models dishonored? can anyone do it for me ?

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2023/09/11
02:16 UTC

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How it feels to take a target alive as a pacifist…

Pacifist Dishonored Video in comments

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2023/07/26
19:01 UTC

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GOING JOHN WICK MODE IN DISHONORED 2

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2023/07/06
19:10 UTC

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Is there a discord server for the series? Sorry if this is the wrong sub

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2023/04/24
05:21 UTC

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I did a little lore discussion playthrough of the first mission of D1. Was there anything I missed?

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2023/03/09
00:24 UTC

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Is The Void based on cosmic horror?

I've been debating this with certain family members of mine who like to watch me play the games from time to time. I've been an immense fan of the Dishonored series and one of the biggest reasons for that(aside from the games having unique characters and styles) involves the source of all the supernatural powers we players enjoy. I haven't played many games involving entities like the Void(I say entity because I seem to recall implications in Death Of The Outsiders that The Void is alive).

My family seems to think the Void was just meant as Dishonored's version of Hell, and therefore should be considered an example of demonic horror. But that's never made total sense for me. I'll list the reasons why, starting out with one of the biggest ones.

1: The Outsiders himself is painted as Dishonored's equivalent of Satan by the Overseers. Heck, they even have their own variants of the Seven Deadly Sins, all of which they blame him for in some capacity. That being said, however, The Outsider never acts "Devilish" towards the protagonists. He doesn't follow the whole routine of tempting into cause trouble or offering gifts in exchange for your service/your soul. The only thing he's ever seemed to want in exchange for giving you power is to see what you'll do with it. Most of the time, it just seems like he's bored and curious, so he gives power to those in some position to make big changes just so he can have some form of amusement. He's rarely malicious.

2: This reason also involves The Outsider, but it's more heavily linked to his lack of interest in the cults worshipping him. He doesn't respond to their offerings or attempts at summoning him, even go so far as to call them "unhinged", and implying he finds their rituals either disgusting or boring, possibly even both. That's also not something Satan is typically imagined doing when brought into fiction. Not only does The Outsider disregard chances to gain followers or servants, of which he has no shortage, but he even seems to dislike characters who jump at those opportunities. He subtly insults certain people in the games who are guilty of abusing power. Heck, he'll even passive-aggressively mock Corvo or Emily in Dishonored 2 if the players causes excessive chaos.

3: Death Of The Outsider's cult. They aren't working on his behalf, their trying to keep him trapped inside The Void. The same cult that took him off the streets and killed him in the first place, if I recall. They'll butcher literally anyone around their headquarters that isn't one of their ranks, and even kill their own members if they feel they've lost focus on their goal. Remember that one cultist who was gunned down for feeding and talking to rats? "Seek no solace in mundane things, cast aside distractions. Your little pets were distracting your gaze from The Void." I'd imagine any devil-like cult wouldn't mind it's members seeking solace in the mundane because that might lead them to ignore morality and continue "sinning". There's also the allegedly volatility of The Void without The Outsider. "For without The Outsider, The Void would hunger and roil, and the world itself would shutter." That sounds like they're using him as their deterrent of sorts to prevent destruction of the normal world. I think they expanded on this in the books, but I'll be honest, I've never read any of them.

4: The Ritual Hold gave me some pretty vivid flashbacks to Stephen King's "Dark Tower" series. And well...Stephen King has tried his hand as comic horror multiple times. Some of them more successful than others, but still. He's not on the same level as HP Lovecraft in that regard, but the elements are still there. Including Dark Tower.

5: The Void itself doesn't look like ANY traditional depiction of Hell I've seen before. It looks more like the night sky without many stars. And the landmasses look like something out of the Ninjago series during the Ninja's first run-in with The Overlord. Also, if it was meant to be Hellish, like my family says, why would there be animals present? Hell, in most religions, is mean to punish humanity for our sinful nature, but we see whales floating above the ground in Death Of The Outsider. We can see past victims of ours(probably ours) lingering with Daud, but their not actively being punished or harmed for their past actions. They're kind of just...hanging around. There aren't any demons harming or any fire burning.

So, those are the reasons I think The Void is based on cosmic horror. Tried explaining all this to my siblings, but they wanted me to consult others with more in-depth knowledge of the lore before trying to argue. That got annoying, but that wasn't the worst advice. So, are these arguments solid? Or is there something from the games I'm missing? Or maybe from the books?

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2023/01/02
17:48 UTC

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Rectification War confusion

I, just like everybody else on this subreddit, enjoy studying the lore of Dishonored. I was viewing stuff about the Rectification War, and the only event stated in the wiki during the war was that it ended with The Siege of Whitecliff. Were there any other major events? Is it just that there's little info disclosing it, or is that all that happened?

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2022/12/30
18:07 UTC

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What would happen if Corvo managed to damage the outsider's mark on Jessamine's assassins (including Daud) during Jessamine's assassination? Would that help in saving Jessamine?

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2022/03/30
14:07 UTC

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I am was wanting to write a story taking place in the dishonored universe, but was unsure if the premise was sound lore-wise

The basic idea of the story is that after the events of DOTO, the void and the world grew closer together, producing drastic effects. First, individuals can be marked by the void itself at random, causing social instability. Second, in certain parts of the isles, the void is so near it physically corrupts and changes people and the environment. Finally, certain void adept individuals have become incredibly powerful, although not even close to the outsider. The plot of the book is essentially that Holger is resurrected by the void, and becomes a necromancer of sorts. He causes the Abbey to declare war against the empire, and instates himself as high overseer. Emily, who oversaw oppression of the void marked individuals against the Abbey, promises a group of such individuals amnesty if they can kill Holger. Holger has thus far proved immortal to mortal means. Is any of this explicitly against Dishonored lore? Thanks for the help!

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2022/01/29
23:54 UTC

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I know you are here somewhere, scum

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2021/10/22
13:05 UTC

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Is Corvo the New Outsider?

So in The end of DOTO you kill or free the outsider I havent read the sequel novel but did Corvo become the new outsider? Idk I just thought of this question

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2021/10/19
07:03 UTC

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Dishonored lore

I’m looking for comics or lore books for dishonored that are canon. I’ve found a few online but I’m not sure if they’re just a story or if they’re a true telling or what happens in the dishonored universe. Any help would he appreciated

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2021/10/10
18:38 UTC

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Why is whales used for everything?

From whale oil to whale bones why is whales used for basically everything?

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2021/10/04
00:20 UTC

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Dishonored hd textures with reshade ray tracing showcase

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0kaenW3Oos

If anyone knows how to extract and repack tfc files , it would help me finish this mod , since texmod is not very good for long games , because you have to load the tpf files everytime your on a diferent are.

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2021/09/12
12:06 UTC

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"Should we gather for whiskey and cigars tonight?"

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2021/09/04
11:54 UTC

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Summing Up The Dishonored Series

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2021/09/04
11:31 UTC

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How does Corvo, Daud, Emily etc know how to use their powers when they got the mark?

I know that it explains how to use them for the players sake of course. But how does Corvo or Daud figure out how to use them? Maybe I missed something, it could be instinctual but I'm not sure.

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2021/08/26
22:45 UTC

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Negligent Entrustment, aka Daud was right about the Outsider

I've never been happy with how the Outsider has been developed for Dishonored 2, and while I love the gameplay of DotO, and especially the atmosphere of the final level, the writers really failed to live up to what would have been possible. DotO could have been rare chance to address the ethical and philosophical implications of holding a god accountable for his actions as well as his inaction. The Outsider chose who got his power, and when. In Dishonored 1, he knew the Empress was going to be assassinated, but he chose to give Corvo the mark only afterwards, not beforehand, not in time to prevent it. And even then, he let him stew in prison for six months first. Daud already was a gang enforcer and killer long before he got marked. He watched Delilah spend years in destitution, before she became interesting enough for him to mark her, after she had already prostituted herself and murdered at least one person. Yet, he actively puts Daud on Delilah's trail, and presumably, vice versa, while claiming 'not to play favorites.'

If there's a theme that would have been a natural fit for concluding the Outsider's story, it would have been about the victim becoming the perpetrator, and how or if that cycle can be broken, but that's probably too heavy stuff for a video game. The writing pretends the Outsider never got to make any choices for himself, for which he should be held accountable, when that's clearly and blatantly wrong.

He sees everything that's going on in the world, yet he gives his mark only to a minute fraction of a fraction of the people that get wronged, and only at moments when they've reached their breaking point. He doesn't get to exculpate himself by claiming free will. Legally, and ethically, there's the concept of 'negligent entrustment' (look it up on Wikipedia) and that can be taken even further considering the Outsider sees the future, and has thousands of years of experience to judge the character of the people he empowers. Legally, if you give a gun to someone you know has violent tendencies, you can be held accountable if they decide to shoot someone. That's pretty much what the Outsider does with his mark. Granny Rags, Daud, Delilah, that's not a great track record.

There's a lot more to talk about; by choosing to remove or disregard the more sinister elements the Outsider had in Dishonored 1 for D2, that at the same time also changes the relationship between him and the Abbey of the Everyman. Despite its reliance on tropes of religious intolerance and bigotry, the Abbey is a fascinating creation in being a misotheistic church. It's tenets are not about living a godly life, but on the contrary, they're a guide on how to limit a malicious god's influence on your life, without any claim of coming from a divine authority.

The first mission you get after receiving the Outsider's Mark confronts you with the Abbey's teachings and intolerance, but at the same time, you also meet a genuine worshiper of the Outsider in Granny Rags, who promptly tempts you into infecting dozens of people with the Rat Plague just to get an additional shiny rune. Are we really going to say the Abbey doesn't have a point? There are several examples of people being driven to madness and obsession through contact with runes and bone charms in D1 and the Daud DLC. Those elements also got removed in D2.

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2021/07/20
01:51 UTC

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If Dishonored 3 is set in Morley...

2 Comments
2021/05/02
17:34 UTC

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