I’ve looked around which commander to make my first cedh deck and I’ve settled on krarkashima. I do have some staples but i know cedh is a different entity so im wondering where I would spend my first $500 with more bang for my buck.

And also im still confused on the discourse about proxying in this community. Does everyone do it even in tournaments?

Hey everyone, newer player to cEDH here. I have played a lot of Grixis, Rakdos, and mono black in casual over the years, and am branching into cEDH. My cEDH experience so far has been with mono black turbo. I am trying to come up with a fringe cEDH Nekusar list, focusing on control/stax. The goal is mana denial for the board, while I hoard cheap interaction and grind out the table, eventually going for one of my own combos or finishing them with an explosive wheel turn.

With this strategy in mind, what are some of the most effective control/stax pieces in your opinion available to Grixis?

Hope you all enjoy the game and join us to play some game with the community!!

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Hey everyone let me pitch an idea that I think is pretty viable post ban. I'm looking to expand on an idea of Ukkima Food Chain. The goal of the deck is to rush out food chain with protective pieces to exile Scourge and Misthollow to start the loop and then cast Ukkima Infinitely to kill the table. I play at a non proxy lgs that is sanctioned by WOTC so obviously no Mox Diamond, Cradle, or Grim Monolith but tried my best to accommodate for that. Looking for feedback and ideas to help optimize the list better. Back up win con is Thoracle but not necessary since we can tainted pact or consult in order to fetch food chain while hopefully exiling one of our two enablers for the combo to get it started. Let me know what you think of the list including any notable inclusions that should be considered. Have a good day everyone.

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Nx9j3NydDUy6cW8IfJFXvg

Hey guys, So After a few years of kitchen table Commander Games with a few Friends i joined another group and i ended up getting my ass whooped. They play on a total different Level and i would Like to join that Level 😁 So my question is: is it possible for every Deck to Go on a tournamet Level ? Or is there a Meta that doesnt change alot? And what does it take to get a Deck on a high Level? Hope you can help me 😁

Hi there,

Currently brewing a flubs deck and I could use a second pair of eyes to trim off excess fat. Ive goldfished the deck online and it seems to perform ok but perhaps there are a few other good options. Our playgroup proxies so budget is not a problem, and he meta is varied.

The goal is to get out flubs ASAP and storm through the deck. The wincon is breach or food chain.

Interaction is very lacking as I intent to storm/combo off the turn flubs enters or the turn afterwards. The limited interaction is for worse case scenarios and they're either free to cast or can be cast if there's no target.

https://archidekt.com/decks/9245716/flubs_fool

Also, is there a discord server for flubs?

Thx!

So with the bannings, put my Korvold deck on the back burner. Now I'm looking at taking it apart. But before I do, I have a few things to ask before I take it apart.

Is there a way to make it viable without Dockside?

Is there a deck similar to Korvold's playstyle? Then I can feed the cards into that deck.

What is the next competitive big dragon commander after Korvold?

I have slowly been building up the power of my Magus Lucea Kane deck, it is a pretty slow deck right now typically being able to kill around turn 5-6, typically through x-Burn spells like bane fire or bonfire of the damned. I know this is probably not the best way to build this, and wins largely rely on me have very explosive turns 2-3 where I have very good ramp allowing me to have enough mana to invest into lethal burn. I know that non-combo decks will always be weaker than decks that run combos but I don't really know how to make this deck have crazy combos that can win consistently before turn 6. Any help would be appreciated, I have also linked the deck list.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6633701#paper

Hey all, I’ve been playing cEDH for about 3 years now. Built a variety of lists and been to a solid number of local tourneys in my area. I learned cEDH (and won my first tournament!) while playing Winota so stax has always been close to my heart.

When I was fresh I wanted to build a list around my all time favorite card [[Adeline, Resplendent Cathar]] but it just felt like white lacked the density of auto-include high power staples that kept the other colors afloat. But over the last couple years white as a color has gotten a lot of fun tools.

And with the recent bans I think stax is better positioned now than it has been in years. So I’d like to take a second look at this interesting commander and see if it can reach fringe levels of playability.

So what does Adeline do week? Adeline does two things well: she beats face and clamps tokens. She is an insanely strong [[Skullclamp]] enabler, as she is constantly making three tokens. The possibility to draw 6 cards each turn for 3 mana is absolutely busted. It’s like a white Mystic Remora almost. This helps us churn through our deck to land well timed hate pieces that gives us more time in the game.

But why do we want more time? Stax usually has problems going to time and not being able to finish people off. My answer to this, beyond the usual human buffers of [[Beregond]] (vigilance and +4/4 current board and +3/3 on incoming Adeline tokens is very powerful) [[Greymond]] ( first strike and the +2/2 make our tokens hard to profitably block) and [Coat of Arms] is to utilize the redundant equipment tutors we run to grab [[Helm of the Host]] after we already have Clamp.

Helm compounds our Adeline triggers and can make huge waves of tokens hit the table all at once. Plus each Adeline will be absolutely massive. Going to combat with an empty board besides Helm equipped Adeline means 2 1/1s swinging at each opponent and you have two Adelines that are 8/4s that’s 22 damage with no other buffs or other creatures. Other traditional finishers like [[Moonshaker Cavalry]] can help carry us over the damage finish line as well. Adeline already loves token doublers like [[Mondrak]] and on the rare occasions you have both you will be doing some token math for sure.

Adeline also has some pretty cute interactions with stuff like [[Nykthos] and [[Three Tree City]], where the sheer density of humans/white pips can see you hardcast Moonshaker or other huge bombs on turn ~4.

I think this deck got a pretty massive boost from the bans, not having to turn off my own Skullclamp activations because I fear losing to a raw dockside from the Sisay player is a big tempo swing in our favor. Sure we’d love to have Lotus and Crypt but I’d argue Adeline is hurt less by these being banned than most other decks.

Again I’m not claiming this will be top 16ing tournaments in your area soon or anything like that. But I wanted to give some spotlight to a cool dark horse commander that has some interesting synergies.

Let me know what you think of the list!

Together We Ride!

Preface: assume the organizer allows limited to no proxies. The cedh Commandfest in CA allowed 0.

What cards are the top cards on the reserve list for EVERYONE to pick up and play? (Obviously get non-reserve list first ie. Demonic tutor, fetchlands, chrome mox, etc) Edit: my LGS allows limited (3) proxies per deck. So if you have to, what would be the 3.

Personally I put [[mox diamond]] and [[lion's Eye diamond]] before even duals lands. I'd say dual lands are still something to pick up, but later on. So: Ramp (moxen, monolith, etc), tutors (intuition), card draw (wheel), duals. LED has some good corner cases (besides just combo) where if you'd tutor or wheel, you can Crack it in response and have more mana.

What i tell new people is to take their "best" commander, push it to 11 and see if they still like it. Then, Proxy a few different lists to see what playstyles they like. But after that...you need to start spending real money and it took me 10 years (and a ton of luck) to amass my collection. What's everyone else's takr

Note: I do own all OG duals, LED, moxen, wheel, cradle, etc. Just not twister. I'm 100% Proxy friendly, but tournaments aren't.

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Hello cEDH community!

I’m working on understanding a Kenrith, the Returned King deck and hoping to get some advice on the combos and key lines of play! I want to build this deck, show up to game night, and catch my playgroup off guard without tipping them beforehand that I've been working on something a bit more competitive 😏

Here’s the list I’m working with: Kenrith Decklist by Bryan Li. I know this deck is stacked with powerful interactions and win cons, but the more I look at it, the more I get overwhelmed by the quantity of combos and lines.

If you’re experienced with Kenrith (or competitive Commander in general), I’d appreciate your insights! What are the core combos I need to master? Are there particular sequences or synergies I should know beforehand to pilot it effectively? Any tips would be amazing help.

Thanks in advance — I'm really excited to be bringing this to our game night!!!

I was goldfishing a list then turn 2 or 3 I had the mana for both, but if I wheel first i would lose the final fortune. It all worked out, but curious on what people would do.

I figured if the wheel got countered I would lose anyway. Against human players with some open mana I would probably wait for some response to wheel (like a tutor) before final fortuneing.

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Welcome to Free Talk Friday! Is there anything you've been meaning to talk about that doesn't quite deserve its own thread? Do you wanna tell us about the good or bad beats you've had this week? Do you wanna show off some cool new cards you acquired for your deck? Or do you just wanna say hi? This is the place. Everyone's welcome here! As always, be nice to each other.

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I'm looking to getting into competitive EDH at my local game store. I haven't decided on a deck yet but I do really like most combinations with blue. I've been using cedh-decklist-database.com for decklists and primers and I've noted that just about every submitted deck with blue in it runs Timetwister.

This is a bit of an issue mostly due to the cost. It will take me several months to save up for, fingers crossed it doesn't go up in price during that time, and I would still need to buy the rest of the cards for whatever deck I choose. I understand that it is a good card but it seems like sometimes it's just jammed into a list to be a good card even if the rest of the deck doesn't really need it like Urza.

The other issue is that my local GS does not allow proxies or collector/30th anniversary versions in their tournaments. They say because the are sanctioned all the cards have to be legit and legal.

Sorry for the long post and thank you in advance for any help with my issue.

Hey everyone!

I'm looking for some feedback and discussion on my Turbo Hulk Glarb, Calamity's Augur CEDH deck. I've been brewing it since Glarb was spoiled as a card, and I've been loving it. Link to the Moxfield decklist will be at the bottom of this post.

Couple issues I've been running into:

1. Interaction feels pretty bad. I'm not going to be stopping anyone from going for wins, like some other turbo decks might attempt to, like Rog/Si. Most of the interaction i have in the deck is to attempt to protect my win.
2. Getting a win together on 1 turn, especially on turn 1 or 2 is a bit difficult. Once Hulk is in my graveyard, everyone kinda knows what's going on, and interaction is held. It's led to other people at the table forcing draws, and I don't really love accepting draws.
3. Being stopped really hurts the deck, unless I'm already preparing for a midrange pivot (which the deck does pretty well, imo).

A few cards I've been considering adding are Dosan, Malevolent Hermit, Miscast, Dispell, Veil of Summer, Autumn's Veil, and Mental Misstep. Most of the time, I'm able to get my Hulk in the GY just fine, but I get focused with interaction once I try to reanimate him. I'm open to other card suggestions. My playgroup is proxy friendly, so budget isn't an issue. Obviously, the main wincon of the deck is Hulk, but I have a Necropotence line, Witherbloom/Smog line, and Thassa/Consultation lines, too (the latter two can also be used as Hulk piles). The decklist has a primer, and I can answer any questions people have about the deck here if the primer doesn't help.

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/FaRq0CATYku2G6Z_ANp9TQ

I built this First Sliver deck a little while ago, and it’s done fairly well playing mid range. However, the group I play with has some higher power decks that I’d like to be able to keep up with, and given that I have a few other decks in this power level already, I’d like to bring my slivers up to the next level.

I know I need to upgrade the mana base, I’m trying to keep it balanced in production as I do that over time. Would it be better if I used more of the lands like [[Golgari Rot Farm]] along with some extra seeking cards along the lines of [[Farseek]]? If so, what should I cut for those extra seeking cards, or would it be better just to stick closer towards shocks?

Any thoughts/suggestions are welcome and appreciated!

Current DeckList here: https://deckstats.net/decks/265279/3729580-the-first-sliver-comp

The cEDH DDB has gone through *a lot* of changes over the last month. TOday marks the last day for a few outstanding deadlines and standards:

1. The DDB Reviewer Applications Close https://forms.gle/XcjWnoMzyhkLiELf8

2. All DDB lists are expected to be updated to reflect the recent bannings and/or activity requirements. (Historic lists are excluded from this)

3. Submission Cycle Closes, including submissions for Historic lists and new lists.

If you'd like to join the discussion, please visit the cEDH DDB Discord: https://discord.gg/Q3RYvyMP8Z

So im headed down to The Boil 2 in ATL and wanted to know where the local LGSs are that play CEDH so I can meet up with some locals. Would love to play with some people down there and have a good time while also being able to enjoy The Boil as well. #mtgcommander #mtglife #cedh

Hey everyone

SO I've been trying to put together a 2nd CEDH deck as an alternative to Tivit.

I've always loved Malcolm and I had all the grixis cards and don't enjoy Rog/Si so I decided to try Malcolm/Vial.

However, looking at the latest lists theres quite a few weird choices (https://www.moxfield.com/decks/k94nBpLbJkK-J\_lrdyGgdw).

I'm seeing things like Lightning-Rig Crew, fanatical firebrand, leyline of transformation, curisoity, trickery charm and other weird choices in different decks.

I can't for the life of me decide on a list and why some of these cards are included. I udnerstand Crew-Rig creates 3 treasures with malcolm and curiosity to put on vial smasher but these all seem clunky to me?

Does anyone have any guidance for me?

Also, playing Malcolm/Vial, what is the general speed you are playing? Obviously I am used to playing Tivit which is slow, grindy and control. Is Malcolm/Vial closer to Rog/Si than it is to say Blue Farm in terms of speed?

Is the aim to tutor Glint Horn as fast as possible and thoracle/breach are backups?

After watching Lemora's cards most recent video I got interested in post ban Rog/Thrass. I was already [[yoshimaru, faithfull companion]]/Thrass, as Yoshi is the goodest boi. My question is even though Yoshi/rog add very similar things to Thrass, and most Rog/Thrass decks only a simic deck splashing red, why Rog/Thrass is a heavily played (and preforming according to edhTop16, but Yoshi/Thrass is nowhere to be seen? From what I can tell they both have relatively equal pros.

Advantages of Rog:

- Probably the most important 0 mana > 1 mana. You are probably half a turn faster than Yoshi/Thrass

- Rog facilitates [[Cloudstone Curio]]/ [[Hullbreaker Horror]] lines being 0 mana

- Red allows [[wheel of fortune]]/ [[Underworld Breech]] (even though it's not a dedicated turbo/ breech deck)

- Red gets you [[Deflecting Swat]] and [[Flare of Duplication]] as protection

- Sticker goblin as an extra ritual

Advantages of Yoshi:

- Probably the biggest advantage of Yoshi is that all of you combos require a 2-mana creature. Since Yoshi is 1 mana, you have a guaranteed [[Neoform]] fodder.

- Being in bant you have access to significantly better combos. You have [[Devoted Druid]] and [[Swift Reconfiguration]] (Rog\Thras was already playing DD and [[Machine God's Effigy]]), [[Displacer Kitten]] + [[Teferi Time Raveler]], [[Emiel, the blessed]] Combos

- Being in white, you have access to easy [[Intuition]] piles with [[Sevinne's Reclamation]] (For example, get DD, swift reconfig, and Sevinne's).

- White has much better interaction with [[silence]] effects and things like [[swords to plowshares]] and [[touch of the spirit realm]]

- White can go slower if you want with stax (granted I do not think this is the way to build the deck)

- [[Enlightened Tutor]] is almost strictly better than [[Gamble]] in the deck as all your combos also require an artifact/ enchantment

Hello everyone, I posted this a few days ago, but I wanted to repost in case anyone missed it and we still have 2 days left to vote https://live.tiermaker.com/93317516 I've compiled over 500 cards that I think need to be placed into the new bracket system, and placed them into a poll over on tier list.com so everyone can vote on them.
A few things to consider when voting Go slowly, votes cannot be undone I encourage you to vote based on what you personally hope for in the brackets and the banlist, not what you think wotc will do. If you want dockside unbanned or rhystic banned, please vote as such. Also, I know cards in precons suggest they go in b1, again, I urge you to vote based on your thoughts and not factors like this There are a lot of cards in this poll, if you feel as though something does not need to be in any bracket, even as a signpost in b1, please hit the skip button, and they will give us a sense of what cards don't belong here I don't know how to change the colors of the buttons for the poll, so if you have trouble differentiating colors, the order of the buttons from left to right is banned in all brackets, bracket 4, bracket 3, bracket 2, bracket 1, and skip Please feel free to share this anywhere and with anyone you know that is interested along with these instructions.

And if you want to make your own brackets outside of the poll, you can do so at your own leisure with this link. https://tiermaker.com/create/commander-brackets-v-11-17529634 With this one, you can also add your own images and share them with others. Thank you, have fun, and lets see where everything lands!!!!

My local is nothing but super fast decks like Magda and Turbo stuff. How are players on Blue Farm building to react to this?

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Hello Guys!

I am new to cEDH and Winota is my very first cEDH deck. I enjoy playing her a lot and she is definitely a powerful commander. I am currently looking to improve this deck however and make it more competitive and quick. What would you remove/add to this deck and what is the reason ? Am I missing any winota staples ?

Any help is appreciated!

https://manabox.app/decks/AcSxtNxxRNSwLAPctPibVQ

I really like this card, I've heard that it can be competitively viable but at 5 mana seems like all the bans hurt this deck. What is the consensus on here? Viable? Decent? Fringe? Pointless ?

https://youtu.be/Y8JLX-CEabg

Today I'm going over an event I recently played in with fan favorite Rog/Thras! I'm taking a look at Lotus Bowl 17, an in-person cEDH event I top 16'd this past weekend. I'm going over the meta breakdown, each of the decks that topped, and the overall shifts in the cEDH meta. The Commanders featured are Rograkh/Thrasios, Malcolm/Tymna, Master of Keys, Tymna/Kraum, Malcolm/Tana, Esika, Malcolm/Vialsmasher, Tymna/Thrasios, Gev, Ellivere, Akiri/Thrasios, and Derevi.

Let me know which of these decks was your favorite down below!

I recently proxied up a few cEDH decks to play with but very few people in my LGS play cEDH so I'm interested in using the community discord through SpellTable. I typically use my phone as the webcam through SpellTable and it is also the device I use for Discord through the app. The problem is that I use my PC to view the SpellTable website while playing which I'm not sure for webcam games through the discord.

When trying to join a game through discord, is there a way to join it through my PC, short of downloading discord on my laptop (which is not an option for me), while still using my phone as the webcam and discord device?

So my LGS doesn't really do cEDH. Only about 4 or 5 semi regular players acctually have a cEDH deck.

I talked about it with the store owner and he agreed to let 3 of use organise cEDH intoduction night. Our goal is to show the mostly very casual crowd at our LGS that cEDH is just a fun as casual (most of them have a pretty negative idea of cEDH from the outside looking in)

In order to do that i wanted to have a bunch of cEDH deck ready to go for them to try out and we are still debating which decks would be the best to introduces them to the format. Format staples like blue farm, kinnan, tivit or rogsi are already proxied and ready to go. I want this to be representative of the format so if there is a deck you think i should definitly include tell me

So went to my first Commander session in about 5 years with a recently rebuilt Krenko deck..i had fun and it took a while for me to get going but by the end of the night I was starting to get the hang of it again.

One of my opponents and I were chatting and he recommended I rebuild it as Wort, The Raidmother. The red half can be the Goblins side still and the Green allows me to ramp mana or tokens. He also talked about how he builds his decks with dual win conditions incase something happens, he has a backup plan.

I want to do something similar but not entirely sure how to go about it. Figured the red side would be pumping out as many Goblins as possible with Krenko, but not sure how to build an alternative Green win condition.

Any suggestions on how to do this, but also on a budget with options to upgrade in the future for some heavier hitting cards?

https://manabox.app/decks/8edP-ySQRlizCulVl2lrDg

(Collage friendly budget)-Whatever cards are a priority I can get

I want to just spam spells for straight DAMAGE and make Stella tap and un tap infinitely to keep having spells fire off

I play against random people every time so the decks I face don't stay the same

I want to use fun spells and just spray them off

Ive played with this for the last few months and it is starting to feel good but I know it can be so much better

Thank you for the help!!!