Particularly interested in analysis on Sue Klebold.

There was a book made for students to write stuff about the tragedy to cope. Written by the girl who spent the night with Eric watching a movie when Dylan was at prom.

“Eric David Harris. I didn’t know the person hiding under your smile. I didn’t know the pain you carried in your heart. I didn't know the torture you endured for so long. And I didn't want to believe you were capable of such destruction. I didn't know I could feel such pain for someone I really didn't know. If I knew what your eyes hid, and what your mind was screaming, maybe I could have helped you. I could have loved you. All I know is the pain I am feeling inside. All I know is the person I talked to every day, the person who seemed happy, the person who always helped me and made sure I had everything I needed. I see your picture on the pages, they say what a monster you are, they say how you were mean and cruel. But you see, I can't believe what they say. I knew the smiling person, the person who helped me. I don't want to hear it anymore. I want it to go away, the angry cries well up in me and I hate you for making me so scared and sad. Leaving me without any explanation. Leaving me with wandering thoughts and hollow cries. Did you try and reach me? Did you try to tell me? I will live with the memories and the unanswered questions I hold in my heart. Not a day will go by that I will not wonder why. As time goes by, I am getting stronger, but then the moment comes when I break down and cry, I am so sorry I didn't see the rage you had inside. I am sorry I was so blind and couldn't see all the things you tried to show me. No matter how wrong you were, I will love the person who smiled and said 'Hi' to me every day. I promise to never forget the person I knew, and forget the person they say you were. Love Always and Forever, [redacted]”

He aPPeared to conceal his nature more effectively than Eric.

I’m assuming this was taken by a relative, maybe Patricia, as she did mention in an interview she goes there a few times every month! Corey was so incredibly loved, it breaks my heart.

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How do you think the conversation happened?

I see lot of people complain that Eric Harris could not have ASPD because he showed some emotions.

That is incorrect. Actually people with psychopathic traits do have emotions.

But their emotions are much less deeper than averages.

For example bpd have deep emotions while ASPD have low or mild emotions.

Fits for Eric who was calm collected while murdering innocent people.

Someone who plans to kill hundreds and jokes before killling from close range is a barely good boy. Eric pulled a classic ASPD stunt. They do this all the time. Those people claim they are sorry while they are not. They have averages under control. And they can make us believe anything.

7/10 - For 18 years old boy he was pretty destructive , can not imagine him getting older

Hi everyone, long time lurker, first time poster here. A few days ago I started getting into the case again, watching some documentaries and reading through some case files and I caught myself thinking - how is it, that every few months I get sucked back into Columbine? I wasn't even conceived when this happened, and I am not even from the U.S. (sorry in advance for any errors in my writing). How can it be, that every few months I see some random post on Reddit or video on YouTube about the case and think "Huh, interesting, I gotta read/research about this", even though I am pretty familiar with the whole thing?

I have some theories about this, but I'd love some input of other people who might feel the same.

My first theory is the fact that in my opinion, a lot of the documentaries are more about Eric and Dylan and their mental state, journals, previous incidents, and everything that led up to them committing the shooting, rather than the victims and their families. Now, this might just be my personal perception of things, maybe I just haven't come across many documentaries about the victims (recommendations are appreciated), but it's just something I've experienced. I find this personally very fascinating, since it gives us some insight into their minds, their perception of things and their descend into the madness that was the Columbine shooting. The coverage of Eric and Dylan's lives leading up to the shooting is pretty insane in my opinion. Every little thing has been picked apart at this point and yet we still haven't seen images of Dylan's room for example. So many things are kept locked away from the public, the basement tapes have (allegedly) been destroyed forever and more than 25 years after the shooting, we still don't have all of the information.

This brings me to my second theory on why Columbine is so fascinating - the theories. With so much information out there and yet so much still missing, it's no hard guess on why there are so many different theories on pretty much anything. From the basement tapes and what's on them, to MK Ultra (which I personally don't believe in, I've just seen it on some Columbine iceberg) pretty much anything goes. While it's fun to speculate on what might be on the basement tapes, I think if all of the information was out there, stuff like MK Ultra or similar things might've not been as prominent in recent years. I think some of it might've also helped in understanding and comprehending (NOT preventing!) similar shootings. Now, while I understand to some degree, why information might've been withheld for such a long time (like manuals for building bombs), I still wonder what else and why it's being hidden.

My third theory is the fact that Eric and especially Dylan were so accurate in their predictions. While they're of course not in any way godlike (at least to majority of people), they were very self aware and hauntingly correct about their shooting influencing so so many others in the future. So many school shooters over the past 2 decades have claimed to draw their inspiration from the Columbine shooting, so many have quoted either Eric or Dylan or both in their own personal journals, and so many have used their meticulous way of planning and prepaing for "NBK" for their own prepararions. I think the main reason for that might be the fact that they were depressed teenagers that didn't fit into society like they wanted to, and I personally can relate to that. My school years were horrible, I was bullied into self harm and thought about ending my own life more than once. While I can sympathize with that, I don't understand how you can even remotely think about taking other innocent people with you. Yes, they wanted revenge, I get that. But why not just destroy some windows or slice some tires or write some angry letters to parents/teachers? Why kill? Maybe I just don't have the "mind of a killer" (thank God or whoever for that) but I cannot for the life of me imagine killing someone because I've been picked on in school. Maybe it's hindsight speaking, but your school years are the least amount of time you spend anywhere. You have 10 or 12 (here in Germany sometimes 13) years of school and then maybe 3 or 4 more if you wanna go to University. At that point you're in your mid 20s and have so much more to look forward to. Why didn't they just wait a few more weeks, get some petty revenge by egging some houses or something, and then carry on? Then again, at least Dylan was horribly depressed to the point where I believe, he would've just killed himself no matter what. But yeah, the fact that some people even think about taking others with them just fascinates me, I can't really comprehend it.

My last theory is just geographical and/or cultural differences. As mentioned before, I am from Germany, and while we had some pretty bad school shootings and a few terrorist attacks, it's just so unbelievably rare. From what I know (I've been out of any type of school since 2023, out of high school since 2017) our security systems inside the schools are nowhere near the stuff that happens in the U.S. We don't sell bulletproof backpacks (which is so f*cking sad by the way), we don't have metal detectors at the entrances, we don't need safety drills. It's just beyond me. How it could ever go so far that 6 year olds have to wear bulletproof backpacks to not be shot at school? My God. While I am glad to live in a relatively safe country in that regard, my heart goes out to anyone affected by any kind of school violence. I don't have kids and I can't imagine how it must feel to send your kid to school every day, not knowing if they will come home unharmed in the afternoon.

On that rather sad note (sorry about that), what are your thoughts on this? Why is Columbine so captivating to this day, and has it impacted any other aspects of (school) life that I haven't mentioned? Thanks in advance!

Hi all this is my first post here as I have recently become interested in learning about the terrible event that was the columbine shooting as I am a non american and it happened before I was born so I've never really knew too much about it I've been diving deep into survivor statements, crime scene photos, interviews, autopsy reports, etc

I've just finished reading eric and dylans journal entries and something that really stuck out to me is just how differently the two thought of themselves.

dylan seems to constantly refer to himself as a god and makes many statements about it as if it was just an obvious fact that warranted little explanation and he seems to truely believe it he even refers to his body at one point as his "human form" and seems to allude to being released from it after death it seems to be a delusion he fully bought into

Eric on the other hand seems to be under no such delusion referring to humans and humanity constantly and including himself in that which directly opposes dylans views saying things like "we aren't GODS" and "as part of the human race" he also uses the word "we" when talking about humans he seems to be more upset about humans denying their nature or independence.

the closest he comes to the god delusion that dylan has is when he says things like "I feel like a god and I wish I was having everyone be OFFICIALLY lower than me" and after acquiring firearms for the first time he says "I am fucking armed I feel more confident stronger more god-like" notably than last quote was a later journal entry which could imply that perhaps dylan may have been trying to convince Eric of their actual godhood

I just think it's interesting that they seem to align more on their mutal hatred of humanity than their views of themselves and you would think this would make them less friendly with each other since they seem rather opposed ideologically eric particularly seems to dislike people who think they are better than him.

It makes you think because surely this subject must have come up in conversation between them before when talking about their hatred of people I suppose their is just so much we will never truly understand.

Thank you to anyone who took the time to read this would love to hear others thoughts on this if you have any

Hey everyone,

I'm sure you can file this under "stupid questions", but I've been wondering lately: Is there any record of what was happening that day in other areas of the campus?

What I mean is: Eric and Dylan seemed to go from outside the cafeteria, through the halls, to the library, to the cafeteria, and back to the library. And considering how large Columbine High School is, what with over 2000 students at the time of the massacre, what was happening in other areas of the school that was not effected by the chaos Eric and Dylan were inflicting?

Were the students and staff in places like the band hall or gym for example even aware gunfire and explosions were occurring? Were they told via PA system to stay in place in their rooms with the doors locked as what is common amongst public shootings? Did anyone in those parts of the school take it seriously since they likely couldn't hear the commotion going on?

Understandably, all the books I've read and listened to and documentaries I've seen only talk about the immediate destruction inflicted by Eric and Dylan, and never mention anything about what the students and staff in other areas of the school must have been thinking and feeling.

did the monitors in the library record any footage of what happened? and If so, what happened with the footage...

It’s a great book and I thought that some of you might be interested. Haven’t quite finished it yet, but I like how the author organizes the book by thoughts rather than by chronological events so many school shooting events are covered as well as Columbine. It’s very thought-provoking.

There was a CVA video a while ago which showed CCTV footage of what was, allegedly, Harris and Klebold, entering and leaving the cafeteria carrying large gym bags with the propane tanks inside.

Was there any consensus amongst those who study this tragedy as to whether it was them and how does it fit in, or change, the established timeline of events?

If Eric was 5’8 or even 5’9 Dylan would be able to rest his chin on Eric’s head and he would be a full head taller then Eric. However, Eric comes up to his nose. If Dylan is 6’2 1/2, Eric is 5’11. If Dylan is 6’3, Eric is 6’0

What help could they have been given?

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I'm sure this has been said before, but where can I find a complete list of the people that were present in the library and fortunately survived the massacre?

I also wanted to know specific locations as to where these people were, eg. tables, purely for curiosity.

Thank you all.

With the release of Monsters on Netflix that feature Jeffery Dahmer and the Menendez brothers. Would there ever be a chance of someone doing a tv series that isn’t a documentary about columbine? I know Dawn Anne and I’m Not Ashamed are movies about the Columbine victims. But it would be interesting to see a series of Columbine that dwells into the victims and everything that happened. But I also think it couldn’t happen because of worries of ‘copycats’ and fangirls gawking over it. I could be wrong but would anyone be interested in it? I’m just curious just let me know!

I’m doing a research project on columbine and its effects on the government for student gov. what really happened after between all forms of government after? I know more school safety was enforced, but what problems raised between the local,state, and national government? what did they do different from each other? id really love if anyone could tell me anything could find much really and feel like i could get some good info from here . id like to get an other influence and give a a informed presentation of the effects of this tragedy while respecting the victims

At the end of the library massacre, there are four quotes said by the shooter(s) around the same time that hardly get mentioned but might actually be the most important quotes[1]:

• "I dropped a clip." (clip = gun magazine)
• "I'm out of ammo." (ammo = 9MM rounds for the Tec-9 or Hi Point)
• "I guess I'll use shells." (shells = shotgun shells)
• "Know what I've always wanted to do? Knife someone." (knives = "backup weaponry"[2])

Whoever said the first two quotes said the next two quotes. The question is who said them? Was it Eric or Dylan?

According to the basement tapes, Dylan had a 50-round magazine, 2 36-round mags, and a 24-round mag. Eric had 13 10-round mags.

So that would mean Dylan brought 146 rounds to the school while Eric brought 130[3]. Eric shoots the Hi Point 96 times while Dylan shoots the Tec-9 55 times (21 times in the library). Yet despite this, Dylan ends up with only 3 rounds left but Eric has 28 rounds left.[4] WTF happened?!?!?!

Did Eric drop a clip?

No, all of his magazines are accounted for and he never dropped one.

Did Eric run out of ammo?

No. He has 28 rounds left at the end of the massacre - he still had plenty in the library.

So we know Eric didn't say any of these quotes.

What about Dylan?

Did Dylan drop a clip?

Yes. Dylan left a 36-round magazine in his car under his seat[5]. It's very unlikely he did this on purpose. So when he's searching for it in the library he just assumes he dropped it somewhere he doesn't know. Panic is likely setting in at this moment as well. It's probably why he "straddled" Jessica Holliday's leg - nervousness kicking in?

Did Dylan run out of ammo?

Yes. Remember he had 146 rounds[3]. He ends up in the end with only 3.

• First, he is already down to 110 because he left the 36-round mag in his car.
• Second, he had to throw a 50-round mag away after jamming in the beginning of the massacre. He is now down to 60 rounds.[6]

He is already down 86 rounds and we are barely 2 minutes into the massacre. I am starting to see why Eric is considered the leader.

• Then he uses the other 36-round mag before he enters the library (it's found in the main hallway).
• So now he is down to just his 24-round mag in the library: although he doesn't know this
• And how many times does he shoot in the library? 21 times!

24-21 = 3. The math works out.

That's why they left the library early and why he brought up knifing people

It's no coincidence that the massacre ends almost right after Dylan realizes this and why they want to go to the commons (to blow up the school). With them running out of ammunition, the bombs are the best bet to still inflict maximum casualties.

Dylan did just say he could use his shotgun, but he may need to save those shells for a shootout with cops. Also Eric's nose is clearly bothering him a bit.

And now the "always wanted to knife someone" quote makes a lot more sense now right? In context it's clear he's saying that due to the realization he has no more ammo so he brings up their "backup weaponry."

That's why Dylan spared Evan Todd

Because he didn't want to waste ammo. So he hoped Eric would do it but since he was kind of "out of it" due to his nose he didn't even respond. So Dylan gets mad, wastes a bullet anyway and slams a chair down (he is clearly frustrated he screwed up).

This is just pure speculation but Eric may also be frustrated with Dylan as well. Which is maybe the main reason why Eric was so dismissive over him about Evan. Multiple Science Classroom witnesses say they heard the shooter(s) say things like "Kill me now!" and "Today is the day I die." Was this Dylan venting his frustration?

All I know is Eric had to be extremely annoyed Dylan lost a 36-round magazine. Especially since Dylan has a habit of making stupid mistakes like that (Eric once yelled at him for screwing up in a soccer game for example).

That's why he doesn't shoot his Tec-9 when they go to the cafeteria but instead uses bombs

If you notice Eric uses his Hi Point to try and hit the propane tanks but Dylan throws explosives/Molotov cocktails. Dylan only has 4 9mm rounds left at this point. When Tim Kastle knocks the ceiling tiles in the bathroom down on accident, Dylan hears this and says "I know you're in there!" When he and Eric go to investigate this he brings his shotgun and not the Tec-9. When he looks in the ceiling he sees it's his friend Tim and spares him or it was just too awkward to use a shotgun in the ceiling.

If Dylan had that 36 round mag on him instead of leaving it in his car, there is no doubt the library massacre continues

Dylan was still trying to kill people. He tried to open the door to the magazine room where Brian Anderson/Jenny Mathews/Ryan Barret/Peggy Dodd were hiding and he wanted Evan dead. And Eric would get over his nose real quick like he does when he shoots at the kids in the Science Classrooms[7].

It's why I never really bought the "adrenaline running out" reason. Dylan is still hyped AF and they still do attack a few kids/faculty members afterwards (the "witnesses made eye contact with them but they did nothing" seems to be a myth because I saw that nowhere). I could buy it for Eric - but I think it's more frustration from the bombs failing; Dylan running out of 9mm rounds like an idiot; getting a busted nose; Daniel fighting back (there is debate if that's what Daniel did but Eric interpreted it as him fighting); etc. etc. than it is a drop in adrenaline.

They likely don't go around again (but who knows?) but there could easily be 3+ more dead and 5+ more injured.

So why didn't he just switch to the shotgun?

EDIT - I think I cracked it: It hurts. In the Rampart Range video using it hurts him and even makes his wrist bleed. This is tolerable for every now and then but not to murder 40+ kids. Sawed off recoils HURT like an MFer and no one wants to feel that much discomfort even knowing theyre going to die.

That's a good question and only two people know that answer. We can still speculate though: as mentioned earlier, he could be saving it for the cops. Or they both realize time and all ammo is running out so to get more casualties they try to blow up the propane bombs which they try a couple times.

Also remember he was using a Double Barrel Shotgun. A great weapon for.... duck hunting or home defense. Mass murder or a fight with cops? Not so much. People rag on the Tec-9 (which isn't nearly as bad as people say - hell the Assault Weapons Ban was passed because of a massacre in SF in 93 by a guy using a Tec-9), but using a DB SG during a massacre is something else. I guess they were limited on what they could get though.

What's your guys opinion? What do you think?

NOTES AND SOURCES

1. We know these quotes are accurate by comparing them to the facts of the case. Sometimes witnesses misremember - for example, one witness says the suspect said "I'm out of shells." But since we know neither ran out of shells that this witness simply mixed the middle two quotes together. Virtually all library witnesses had trouble with the chronology but it's clear what was said after some research
2. Eric Harris 4-26-98 NBK.doc: "We will have knifes and blades and backup weaponry all over our bodies" http://www.acolumbinesite.com/eric/writing/vaccines.html
3. To keep things simple, we will assume all the magazines were filled to capacity - math wise it's irrelevant
4. Source for shots fired: https://web.archive.org/web/20071211094445/http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/EQUIPMENT_TEXT.htm
5. Sources: CBI 34/JCSO 1093 (Magazine with 3 rounds library) - CBI 30/JCSO 1859 (36 round magazine main hallway) - CBI 213/JCSO 2358 (50 round magazine outside) - CBI 991/JCSO 6004 (36 round magazine Klebold BMW)
6. https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F9re1z1vfnri41.jpg
7. Video of classroom Eric shot into: https://youtu.be/xPUZ_R0mpz4?si=swc7X97tMhFIKDFn&t=850 Student Justin Scott made eye contact with Harris before Harris shot in there

I always knew that Emily was in close proximity to Cassie when she was brutally murdered, but I only just realised that Emily moved so close to Cassie to get to Bree who gestured for her to go over. Emily was on the right while Cassie was on the left when she got shot and since the only chair that moved was the one next to Cassie, that would mean that Emily most probably left the table via that route just next to Cassie :(

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From when he got arrested in 1998, the police files stated he weighed 180 pounds which was a reasonable weight for someone of his height. But a year later, his autopsy stated he weighed 143 pounds which means in the span of a year, he lost almost 40 pounds. I feel like this is a dramatically noticeable weight difference so I find it hard to believe no one at all knew or pointed it out.

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I came across the entire "Columbine killing spree" 2 years ago. I thought, its interesting to read more about it, but I never knew, it would shock me like this. I asked around at work, if they heard about "Columbine" and even tho, I live in Germany everyone of my "older" coworkers knew about it. they said, "yeah, the very same day it was on the news"..."it's tough what has happened there" or "it was the biggest schoolshooting in the US at this point."

This sub gave me inspiration, in reading Brooks Browns book.