/r/AndrewGosden

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A subreddit dedicated to discussion of missing British teenager Andrew Paul Gosden, who bought a one-way ticket to London in September 2007, and was spotted on CCTV at King's Cross railway station — and then never seen again.

Andrew Gosden

A subreddit dedicated to missing Brit Andrew Paul Gosden.


Background

On September 14 2007, 14-year-old Andrew Gosden skipped school to take himself to London by train. A high-achieving student with a 100% attendance record from a loving family, he told nobody of his plans.

He was spotted on CCTV exiting the platform and subsequently King's Cross railway station in London, having purchased a one-way ticket.

He was never seen or heard from again.

... Where is Andrew Gosden?


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Rules

  1. Be civil

  2. No doxxing

  3. DO NOT contact Andrew's family or any other individuals associated with the case

  4. No harassment

  5. No spam or off-topic posts

  6. Remember that Andrew is a real person with a real family

Violating these rules may result in a permanent ban, upon further moderator inquiry. Click here for more details.


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Netflix Unsolved Mysteries?

Getting Andrew's case aired on Unsolved Mysteries might just jog someone's memory and bring something to light?. The story of this poor kid has haunted me since I found out about it. I just feel there isn't much I personally can do to help other than share the story when I can. Netflix is obviously an extremely popular streaming service which has millions of viewers worldwide. Getting Andrew on there along with the adult efits of him might just shine a light onto something?. Someone, somewhere might just have seen something, or heard something, no matter how small, that could help solve Andrew's case or at the very least bring some new evidence to the table. I thought about poor Andrew Gosden when I watched the episodes about missing people.

Just a thought. His family deserve some form of closure. I can't imagine what they've been through since 2007.

I still hope every day that something is found that finally brings this poor family some peace. Not knowing is the worst part, I just wish something would come to light that solved this, and the more airtime we can get Andrew, the better the chances of this will be.

4 Comments
2024/10/31
08:45 UTC

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Question.

Did Andrew know sign language or was taught sign language or if he knew sign language, I’m asking because In the cctv footage, he’s moving his head which could have been him trying to hear noises (possibly). I would just love to know.

5 Comments
2024/10/27
03:07 UTC

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Cash not card

Pondering why Andrew took the cash out his bank account. And I thought that maybe it's because in London he wanted to use public transport to get around large swathes of the city. Back in those days we mostly used cash in taxis and on buses, and so perhaps he withdrew all of the money just to be sure he had enough so as not to get stranded. And if Andrew did use taxis... I really hope he did not get into a fake one.

25 Comments
2024/10/25
20:56 UTC

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Andrew's old phone numbers

Hi. I'm fairly new to this sub, been learning about this case for a while now and just came across this subreddit.

So I know the whole story of what we know so far, and it just dawned on me. Andrew allegedly lost his phones, and if he had a phone, that means he would have had a phone number or even multiple if he had multiple phones (I believe he did?). It does make me wonder if anything would come of it if the police attempted to trace his old phone numbers. I would say it's worth a possibility, who knows what he had in that bag. We ONLY know he had his PlayStation Portable and keys. I believe the chances of anything coming of it would be near zero if they did try to trace his phone numbers. All speculation of course, I'm not saying Andrew had a phone with him on the day he disappeared. Curious to see what other people think. Thanks!

9 Comments
2024/10/25
18:58 UTC

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Raising Awareness

I have been fascinated by Andrew's story for years. I enjoy reading the comments on this sub, but often feel like speculation is met with so much disagreement among the redditors. Which is understandable and we all just want to know what happened that day.

I know that Kevin Gosden is aware of this sub and has referenced how frustrating the speculation can be, particularly when the family have tried everything they could possibly think of to find their son. It becomes so difficult to type something here without speculating, even using the smallest details of Andrew's story. It is also very difficult to type something which isn't a repeate of a previous post, as I am sure will probably be the same with my own post today!

I believe the only common goal a group of the general public could reach, at this stage, is to generate enough interest to raise further awareness amongst members of the public who aren't aware of Andrew's story.

My question - What is the best way to raise awareness of Andrew's story, giving maximum opportunity of getting the age enhanced photographs out there?

10 Comments
2024/10/24
20:06 UTC

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Train station cctv etc

I watched a bit about this last night and there was something that puzzled me. If Andrew knew London well as most people say then why when he exited the train station was he looking around a lot as if to look for someone? He seems to look both ways a lot? Someone who knows the area well would surely just head in The direction they know?

The other thing I find confusing is that London is the one city with probably the highest levels of cctv yet no other cameras saw his movements once he left the station? I find they very hard to believe.

The other thing I think a lot have people may have spoken about is trouble at home, although the picture is painted of a good family life the purchase of a one way ticket says very different. There seems to be more than meets the eye there. A happy child/teenager doesn’t just leave a loving home for complete uncertainty surely?

These were just some observations I noticed about the case. Sorry if they have already been gone over

25 Comments
2024/10/24
11:30 UTC

234

About a boy

Just some thought that I want to share: In this pic, one of the last, Andrew is showing some of his birthday’s gifts. The dvd is “about a boy”, a movie from 2002 in which a young boy with no friends, bullied at school and depressed, was trying to find a way to make his and his mother’s life better. So he met a man, at the start supposed to become the lover of his mother but ended up to be his older friend. I always thought that Andrews personified himself in that boy, and maybe he was looking for an older friend (maybe online?) thinking would be better for him, as he was gifted and so way more intelligent than the common boys that he could meet around his place. So probably was this “friend” that he wanted to met in London?

I’m thinking this cause the movie is from 2002, Andrew revived as a gift (if I’m not wrong) in July 2007, this means that was an important movie for him. He disappeared some weeks later.

105 Comments
2024/10/24
10:57 UTC

39

Just learned about this case

Hi,

I’m a 25 year old guy from the Balkans (southeast Europe). I’ve just learned about Andrew via a post on X (can post the link if you guys want it) and I just can’t sit at a place. It’s so unfortunate that the technology wasn’t there when this case happened because with all the stuff that we have now, the chances of finding him would be much, much higher. When I was a teen, I used to read cases like this, but I stopped because they were draining me mentally due to not being solved (so much pressure in my head). Now that I’ve come across Andrew’s case, all those feelings have flooded back. UK people - is the case cold? do you see his posters anymore? is he mentioned in the national news?

Andrew, if you are reading this and did this in purpose, I understand you. However, you’ve made so much damage to your family, relatives and people across the world. I hope you at least are alive, healthy and safe.

25 Comments
2024/10/23
18:22 UTC

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Ladbible

Ladbible on Facebook has run the Andrew story on there page currently at 4k reactions and hundreds of comments every little helps u never know it cud jog someone's memory...if ur on Facebook and follow ladbible ur reaction or comment will push it higher in the algorithm...I hope I get to post this as every post of mine gets took down straight away across all groups for some reason...thanks guys

35 Comments
2024/10/23
14:36 UTC

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Friends/enemies/bullies at school?

Has anybody ever asked about his friends at his school? I'm new to this rabbit hole and from what I can tell, that's an area that feels like it's been ignored. Nothing anywhere about how he was treated in school or if he had any friends suggest or dare him to do anything.

26 Comments
2024/10/23
03:17 UTC

0

What would you do if you see Andrew now ?

Like imagine...

7 Comments
2024/10/21
08:23 UTC

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Travelling to London at 14- my experience

I often read this thread and hope so much that one day his family and loved ones will have answers. I haven’t got much to contribute to this thread as like a lot of you I am baffled by this case, I lean more towards the idea that some form of opportunistic abduction occurred however I’m aware that there are factors that are also suggestive of other outcomes.

However, I have noticed some people in their theories MIGHT potentially be over focusing on the peculiarity of him deciding to bunk of school and go to London that day, and I just wanted to share my own experience which may offer a different perspective.

Please let me preface this by saying I am completely aware how utterly irresponsible what I did back then was, I do think one of the reasons I’m so drawn to Andrews case is because of this.

I’m now 23, but when I was 14 on about four occasions I did the same thing as Andrew. Bunked off school, and went to London for the day. I live in Brighton which if you aren’t aware is only an hour train journey from London so admittedly I was not travelling the same distance, but I still did it. Fortunately for me at the time, I was able to go undetected by parents and the school as i had prior managed to change my parents contact details to my own phone number so they would be none the wiser. On all occasions that I did this, I wasn’t going for any other reason than I just wanted to walk round London. I didn’t plan to go to any events, concerts, shops, areas, anything. I’d simply go and explore all day on the tube and get back before my mum got back from work. Sometimes I feel as though people overly ponder on what concert or event Andrew may have been intending to go to…but I feel my experience does demonstrate that sometimes it can just be for no real reason, just to explore. I wasn’t an outcast at school, I was relatively popular, never bullied, plenty of friends- I’ve always just been fiercely independent and clearly very stupid and that was the reason I did it.

Another point I wanted to raise which I’m sure a lot of you will already be well aware of is how much you get approached when you are clearly underaged. I’m a female and if any female is reading this I’m sure that you’ll agree that disturbingly the most times in our life you get approached by men on the street is when you are clearly underaged and young. I get catcalled now as a 23 year old about half as much as I did when I was 14. But I do remember on my London trips that I was constantly harassed and approached by much older men. I can remember a tube conductor approaching me and asking me to come back to his flat after work, I remember a group of 10 men in their twenties approaching me asking for my number in a park, constant leers, and constantly men approaching me. I appreciate Andrew was a boy and perhaps not so much likely to be the target of this, but even still I thought it was worth noting that when I was alone in London aged 14 I was approached so much.

I hope maybe this offers a different perspective on Andrew’s random trip to London. I know it is a strange thing to do, but I did it too and perhaps because of this I don’t ponder as much on why he did that. Again, I completely understand how irresponsible this was and the thought of it makes me physically cringe now that I’m an adult. It was a really dangerous thing to do particularly since no one knew where I was, I wouldn’t even tell friends. I also had a phone, but wasn’t able to even make texts or calls at the time only receive them so had I been in danger I’d of had no way to call for help. I just thought specifically the tube conductor approaching me might offer some light into how perhaps Andrew may have been abducted without it being seen as an abduction. Many nasty people have normal jobs like that and could easily use this position of trust to lure someone such as Andrew.

Thanks for reading guys! Again, I know I’m an idiot!:)

35 Comments
2024/10/21
01:02 UTC

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Please prioritise Andrew’s case!

Isn’t it about time the police prioritised this case and dedicated major funding and manpower to finding out what happened to Andrew? If the police had not made such huge errors in the first place (eg not examining more cctv footage early enough), maybe Andrew would’ve been found.

7 Comments
2024/10/20
18:47 UTC

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Most Likely theory IMHO

Uncommon Theory

In my opinion, based on the evidence or lack of, there are 3 main theories - and mine.

  1. Grooming
  2. Suicide
  3. Alive

My theory :

Andrew went to London for adventure. He met like minded people, he felt cool, excited by this maybe, and these people took advantage, and an event occurred as a result of this, I would say 2-3 people, likely a little older.

If we knew more about his character, this theory might become a stronger one.

The chances are, there would be witnesses for this, but perhaps not. The case was not publicised massively, and with his look, he simply could have been missed, depending on the location of the event.

I would say, if this theory is not the case, in my opinion the only other explanation is that Andrew absolutely did have a phone and a form of internet communication, and maybe a reason this has not been found, is because it is currently with him.

1 Comment
2024/10/18
21:10 UTC

12

Perplexed Podcasts Andrew Gosden episode

One of my favourite podcasts just covered this case- brilliant episode with lots of info, theories etc :)

0 Comments
2024/10/18
18:22 UTC

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My theory

I’m not the most eloquent writer and this won’t be super detailed but here’s what I think.

I believe that law enforcement is aware of what transpired. Initially, there appeared to be no evidence of Andrew having a digital footprint; this information regarding his internet usage was made public. However, as the investigation progressed, a digital presence was discovered. I suspect that the details of this discovery were intentionally withheld to prevent false confessions. This theoretical revelation may have contributed to the arrest of two individuals, which I believe was motivated by specific knowledge that could fundamentally alter our understanding of the case. It seems these individuals were released due to lack of DNA evidence or a body, yet I suspect law enforcement continues to monitor the situation closely

Go ahead downvote it and say I’m just speculating but I truly think this is the most plausible explanation.

53 Comments
2024/10/17
06:11 UTC

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Thoughts on Andrew starting a new life

A recent post thoroughly explored theories relating to grooming, opportunistic abduction and suicide.

I wanted to create a post exploring the idea that Andrew is still alive, and that he chose to leave home and start a new life (if not before he arrived in London, at some point after).

Usually this option is ruled out largely based on the assumed difficulties a 14 year old would encounter attempting to create a new identity and begin a different life with the scant possessions, money and life experience he took with him. I certainly think he would've had to have had help, if not from someone he was in contact with before leaving (as his parents don't believe he communicated with anyone online), then with a friend/community/charity he found after he left.

In the past I've always thought that, if alive, he would have to be living a life limited by his lack of identification documents, bank account, national insurance number, etc. That in itself is not impossible if he found work that paid cash in hand, perhaps in an independent shop or restaurant, or on a farm for example. Certainly in 2007 there were more of those kind of opportunities than there are today, although they do still exist now (albeit perhaps illegally).

However, a recent conversation with a friend gave me a new perspective. This friend is in her late 30s now and has to complete a qualification at work in order to get a promotion. As part of that, she has to show proof of her GCSE results. One issue is that the exam certificates have the surname of her stepfather on them, which has never been her legal name (ie the surname on her birth certificate and passport and which she has used since leaving home is that of her birth father. Her name was never legally changed). I was surprised that this could be possible (ie her mother just registered her under that name, likely with a note that gave a reason for her having a different last name than her documents). My friend said that processes clearly weren't as strict here in the UK back in the early 2000s - in fact, and this is the part that especially interested me - she even had a bank account with her stepfather's surname (despite no legal documents connecting them). She said that when she was old enough to get a bank account, her stepfather went with her to the bank and she was able to create an account using his surname and her first name simply because he explained to the person at the desk that he was her stepfather. That got me thinking, what if something similar happened to Andrew? ie someone older went with him to the bank, claimed to be a parent, and was able to set him up with an account?

The same friend (who left home at 16 and was essentially homeless/couch surfing due to difficulties at home) was also able to claim benefits that covered her rent just by saying that she was homeless but could live with a friend if she paid a certain amount of money a month. She didn't have to give any proof about the cost of the rent, and just said that someone came to the house every week to collect the rent in cash. This would have been around 2002.

That Andrew could have shared my friend's experiences may be unlikely, but it just made me think that often we rule out possibilities based on assumptions that there is too much regulation or processes in place to allow them to happen, however that may not be true. Most of us approach this case as people who have lived relatively ordinary lives, and our own experiences mean we have little insight into what's possible for people who had less straightforward beginnings. Projecting our own experiences and beliefs of what is possible may take us further from the truth of what happened. If he didn't manage to get a bank account through an adult as my friend did, it could also be that a charity helped (as with this story - eerily, I actually think this man looks a bit like Andrew).

His father has written how he struggles to believe Andrew is alive because he doesn't think his son would have left his family in pain and confusion all these years, but I wonder what Andrew's alternative is now, should he be alive. I agree with commenters who say that this case is not exactly widely known (although on seeing his face, people in the UK might recognise it from the Missing People campaign). However, aside from the 15,000 people on this subreddit, everyone from Andrew's former life (family, friends, local community) know the story and likely wouldn't be satisfied by being told that it had been confirmed he is safe and well and doesn't wish to be found. It might increase speculation and lead to invasions of his privacy. He might even think this information would cause his family more pain than not knowing. Is it more painful to not know what happened to your loved one, or to know for sure they chose to abandon you and want nothing to do with you? There's no easy answer.

30 Comments
2024/10/16
15:46 UTC

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Anyone know of any bands playing nearby at the time he went missing?

Probably been asked before, but there was a big emo/rock scene in the uk at the time and he was into his music… London is really accessible to other places, did he intend to see a band that evening? Hence the cash on him?

6 Comments
2024/10/16
14:13 UTC

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My extended thoughts

Hello everyone. I rarely post on reddit, however the case of Andrew is one I first heard of a few years back and it has baffled me ever since. I think the reason being that there are so many possibilities of what happened, but some of the information we have available leads to one theory and other bits lead to a different theory. In this post, I will review each bit of information available and discuss how I think it could link to one of the three theories that I view as feasible: Grooming, Opportunistic Abduction and Suicide. I want to present it in this way as at this point, I find it hard to split the three and I see way too many people only focusing on certain points to support their narrative. For those who think Andrew ran away or something else, fair enough, you are entitled to your own opinion as really anything could have happened, I just don’t see it as plausible. This is going to be quite a detailed post so for those of you that read it in its entirety, thank you in advance, strap yourselves in and I look forward to seeing your thoughts in the comments.

The Summer Camp: I will be attempting to do this somewhat chronologically so as to not miss anything. A lot of people seem to think he could have met his groomer here, but I think it’s unlikely. This happened over a year before the disappearance and while I know grooming takes time, I just don’t see a window where someone working here had Andrew in their pocket with no witnesses after just 2 weeks to then make him secretly communicate with them for over a year while they planned out his abduction. It just seems too far-fetched. I know Andrew returned very happy, but we’ve heard he found school easy so maybe he was just excited he was academically challenged for once.

The Lost Phones: What’s important to remember about the phones is Andrew was not in the FBI. Yes, he could have quite easily hidden something from his parents, but if he was groomed, Andrew obviously didn’t think he would be abducted. I don’t believe he had the capacity to hide communications from the police especially if he never thought they’d be involved. The facts are no usage was traced to his lost phones, home computer or school computer which adds up that Andrew didn’t really have any use for them. I know he could’ve possibly used a local library or something, but no evidence of that was found either, and his parents never reported him being unusually gone from the house for extended periods of time without knowing where. It seems highly unlikely that Andrew would not get caught out doing any of these things for the amount of time it takes to be groomed, if not by his parents then definitely by the police once reported missing. Many people seem to think Andrew had a secret phone or way of communicating with whoever groomed him and this is definitely the most likely option but one I still struggle to see as something that actually happened for a few reasons; one being that Andrew surely would have screwed up somewhere along the line and would have been spotted with this phone, whether by family or friends. If he wasn’t he would have had to be extremely well trained by his groomer which I just can’t see. I know kids are vulnerable to grooming but surely someone giving you a literal burner phone which they warn you not to let anyone see at all costs sets off red flags. I have never seen any case in my entire life where a child was given a burner phone by their abuser in order to communicate. Also, the woman who reports she sat next to Andrew says he was engrossed in his PSP. Surely on the way to meet this person he’d be checking that phone?

The Walks Home: The walks home are an interesting piece of information that can point to any of the three factors or even none at all. An important thing to remember is Andrew was only caught doing this once, but could have easily done this multiple time without detection. It seems unlikely that he wouldn’t have walked home only once and his dad happened to come home early that very same day and catch him first time. Andrew gave the excuse that he just fancies it, but considering how close this happened to the disappearance and how far the walk is, although this is plausible, I suspect there is something more sinister involved. The problem with that walk is that it really does lead to anything. Andrew could’ve been meeting his groomer to run through details, but if the groomer is in Doncaster why would he lure him to London? Like the burner phone it leads us to believe that this particular groomer is an expert of precise planning. If he did have a burner phone why not just text him? I understand it could be a trial run but if Andrew was lured to London what good does doing a trial run in Doncaster achieve apart from putting this expert planner in the vicinity of Andrew’s house a few days out? If Andrew was indeed planning a London trip on his own, this could also be a trial run but a much safer one, it could also be used to check train times or anything in preparation for the trip. If Andrew was being bullied (which I think is unlikely as someone at the school would confess to something) this could also be a reason he was skipping the bus and fancied a day out in London rather than school. Similarly, Andrew could have been suicidal because of the bullying or staying with this theme wanted a walk to clear his head and make his mind up of if and how to take his own life. I know when I’m on a low I’ve taken long walks in the past to be in my own thoughts.

Getting Up: We’re told that the morning of the abduction Andrew was particularly hard to arouse. Trust his parents instinct here and assume something was definitely off. Unfortunately, it doesn’t produce and overwhelming evidence for any theory in particular. What it does suggest is that Andrew had had a sleepless night as he knew he was doing something wrong and out of character, and was debating going through with it all night. This leads us to believe that Andrew knew he was going to London and knew it was wrong, whether he was meeting someone or not, and if he was in fact suicidal, who would be able to have a good nights sleep the night whilst deliberating going through with something as awful as that?

Money: We know Andrew withdrew his entire £200 bank account to travel to London and left £100 birthday money at home. Whether this was forgotten or left intentionally we do not know. Obviously some of this was used for the train and I suspect the rest was to be used for food/activities/events. To me this doesn’t help the case of grooming as an adult would probably offer to pay for these things. It ties in with him just wanting a fun day out in London and needing money or wanting to have an enjoyable last day before committing suicide.

Getting Changed: A hit to the suicide theory, Andrew left the house that morning and waited in the park by his house in order to get changed. While it makes sense that he’d want to do this for his appearance and so no one knew he was playing truant, most people would take spare clothes in a bag rather than risk going home and being caught, especially after being caught walking home. I think it’s clear Andrew only took this risk to give the impression that he had already arrived home that evening, to allow him more time in London. This goes against the suicide theory as Andrew wouldn’t have cared about being caught as he would be long gone.

London: An important question to ask is why did Andrew travel to London, especially when he was given permission to do so over the summer and chose not to, and again there are possible links to all three theories. If he was groomed this speaks for itself, he was obviously lured there and never had a reason to go previously as it was set for a specific date. If he was just skipping school, it seems more strange to go to London when he could’ve gone in the holidays with permission, but there could have been an event on he wanted to check out but never made it there. It seems unlikely to go to London to commit suicide too, but Andrew may have wanted to see/do some of his favorite things before passing, and not wanted his body to be found by his parents

One Way Ticket: The famous one way ticket is a primary supporting piece of evidence for suicide. To not spend the extra 50p just in case your plans change lead us to believe Andrew had no intention of coming back. Andrew was a smart kid and I don’t buy that he got flustered and accidentally bought a one way. However, it is possible Andrew was offered a lift back from his groomer but I see this as unlikely. Even if the groomer said he had a commitment in the morning to prevent him from picking Andrew up, you would definitely spend an extra 50p for a return for reassurance. He also could’ve been offered a place to stay by his groomer but again I think Andrew was too smart for that. It’s also possible Andrew planned to stay at his grandparents and ask for forgiveness as it was a Friday and he wouldn’t have done everything he wanted to until the late evening. I think this is more likely than a lift back personally

No Body: While Andrew may have jumped in the Thames, it would be hard to do this with no body found and no witnesses. I believe the fact no body was found points massively in the direction of an abductor, and one that knew what they were doing. This points to grooming as it would have had the most planning but many successful opportunistic abductions have happened in the past. Andrew was not street smart and had a good chunk of money on him. Although coincidental this happened in London, it is entirely possible he ran into the wrong person who managed to lure him elsewhere for reasons unknown. With no body and no explanation in the form of a note, suicide no longer seems as plausible but entirely still possible.

So just to finish off, at different points over the last few years I have been a supporter in every one of these theories, but my current state of mind after reviewing all the above points was that it was indeed an opportunistic abduction. Although this doesn’t explain the one way ticket, I just can’t see enough evidence for grooming and suicide in comparison. The reality is that literally anything could have happened to Andrew based on the information we have available and I am of the opinion that this is the most plausible.

If you’ve made it this far, thanks for reading and apologies if I’ve missed anything. I look forward to seeing some of your opinions in the comments.

131 Comments
2024/10/15
10:55 UTC

56

Should they do something like this again?

31 Comments
2024/10/14
14:30 UTC

90

immediately had me thinking of Andrew

14 Comments
2024/10/12
11:32 UTC

28

Phone box grooming

So when I was around 12 I was playing out and a phone box phone was ringing I picked it up it was a old man talking dirty and telling me to meet him there the next day I called my friends over to listen and we led him on, the next day we stood over the road and sure enough there was a old creepy looking man hanging around at the time we planned to meet, we didn’t interact with him & we just left , but being a grown up now I realise how scary and dangerous this was & made me wonder how many other young ppl has this happened to ? Could something like this happened to Andrew ?

6 Comments
2024/10/12
10:16 UTC

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Can you report a possible sighting to Missing People if you have not seen the person in person but have come across pictures/info on social media ?

Can you report a possible sighting to Missing People if you have not seen the person in person but have come across pictures/info on social media which is related to somebody else's supposed sighting ? I do not know if this person has a social media account and don't know what their name is now and want to protect their privacy in case it is not Andrew but I came across some pictures from a group on social media relating to a place where somebody else mentioned a possible sighting and don't know whether it would be worth reporting or not.. Thanks.

31 Comments
2024/10/11
05:34 UTC

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Possible chance?

Is there a possible chance that IF Andrew is still alive that he may not want to be found? I feel this is kind of a silly question but I’m genuinely curious to know what others think. I’ve always felt like he’s still alive and just doesn’t want to be found

37 Comments
2024/10/09
15:25 UTC

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If his intention was to attend a concert, how would he find out about a specific concert without access to the internet?

I'm new to this subreddit. Excuse me if the question is silly. Maybe someone who was a teenager in the UK in 2007 is able to answer this. But how did he find out about a specific concert or event without having a computer?

95 Comments
2024/10/06
23:17 UTC

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Statistics on teen homicide and murder in the UK

Inspired by the interesting thread on the possibility of suicide without a body this week, I've had a look into some stats about the rates of teen suicide and teen homicide in the UK. I make no claims to be a statistician so haven't done any in depth analysis. However, it's often argued that one is more common than the other as support for a particular theory in relation to Andrew’s case so it seemed useful to look at some factual information on this. The stats below relate specifically to the UK and come from the Office of National Statistics:

  • The average number of children who are abducted and murdered by strangers (someone completely unknown to them) each year here is 5.

  • In 2023 there were 51 teenagers aged 13-19 murdered in the UK, whether by strangers or those known to them. This was down from 70 victims in 2022.

  • In 2020, there were 147 teens aged between 15-19 who committed suicide, and 198 in 2021 (and those stats don't include those aged below 15, of which there are a number each year).

So, whilst the years are not directly comparable (I couldn't find data on suicide for 2022/3 - don't think it's published yet) there are roughly 3 to 4 times more suicides than murders of teenagers each year in the UK. That was probably slightly lower in 2007 as teen suicide rates have been on the rise, but suicide would still have been the more common of the two. People perceive the murder of children to be far more common than it is, certainly in the UK.

It's difficult to apply stats to Andrew’s case as it is such an anomaly anyway, given all the context surrounding it. Stats can't take into account the circumstances of him leaving home, going to London, Andrew’s personality and family environment etc. Nevertheless, I do think they provide some food for thought.

I honestly think almost anything is possible in Andrew’s case and, if this is ever resolved, we will almost certainly be shocked and surprised by what turns out to have happened as it must be something very unusual and statistically very unlikely.

I want to emphasise this post doesn't mean I am arguing for or against any particular theory so please don't start throwing insults and accusations at me. I've had enough of that this week in this sub. I just thought that this was useful and interesting information to inform discussions on these theories.

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2024/10/05
13:46 UTC

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I can't help feeling haunted by the timings

Apologies if this is a silly post

Often when I think about this case, I can't help but feel haunted by the timings of it all, Andrew arriving at King's Cross at 11am, his family not even being aware he was missing until later in the evening, let alone that he was all the way in Kings Cross, the fact that whatever may have happened could've happened and finished long before anyone had even discovered he was missing just haunts me, an entire day where people assumed he was just having another normal day at school all the while goodness knows what was happening

It really gets to me sometimes, thinking about how he might've been in danger and desperate for help to arrive but the whole time nobody was even aware until hours and hours and days later, it haunts me

I don't know if I'll ever stop thinking about what happened but I hope he's resting peacefully

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2024/10/05
10:34 UTC

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If Andrew lost his life at the hands of someone else..?

Do you think it happened in the day or in the night? Outside or in someone's home? I personally can't see it happening outside so if it did happen inside a home was he invited in by a fellow gig goer (if he did go to a gig) I'm new to this subreddit so apologies if a lot of this has been covered before.

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2024/10/02
11:54 UTC

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The camp he attended

New to this case. Just saw a youtube video.
At the camp there would be supervisors. Given the family imply he was trying to come to terms with his sexuality, might he have met a supervisor and felt comfortable discussing his needs/feelings?
Does anyone know if there was investigation of the camp and who attended?

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2024/10/01
23:49 UTC

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