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This is a subreddit for the free and open discussion of history related independent thoughts and research. Including but not limited to suppressed historical events, out of place artifacts , alternative chronological timelines and discussions on the history of history (historiography).

Independent thoughts and research includes any ideas, events, theories, or research that may go against the official/orthodox teachings and or interpretations of history and what some scholars hastily label "fringe".

This sub is not about "alternate history" which is the fictional speculation of: "what if x event in history didn't happen". These posts are not forbidden here, but we ask you to submit a self post and use the [Alternate History] tag. Alternate History posts must have a tag and be self posts with sufficient context outlining your premise on said topic. Such posts are subject to removal at moderators discretion.

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Las Torres Ciclópeas - Andalusia, Spain

“Las Torres Ciclópeas”

What does it mean to be cyclopean?

- Large and exhausting

- Built by mythical one eyed giants

- A particular type of ancient construction

- Or a bronze age culture

Checking the South of Spain, will answer: all of the above, revealing some little known, likely misdated and misattributed, cyclopean towers dotting the landscape.

Hope you like the new video:

https://youtu.be/5BP93Py9Q8k

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2025/01/31
19:07 UTC

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Olmec Dating

Read About Olmec Dating! The "olmec heads"

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2025/01/31
17:18 UTC

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Ancient Ice Age Temple Older Than Göbekli Tepe? Discovered in the Colombian Andes

“We have discovered a colossal Ice Age temple complex in the Colombian Andes. In a hidden cave we found a red ochre pictogram surrounded by geometric petroglyphs, and surrounding this ancient dwelling enormous sculpted boulders depict now-extinct Ice Age reptiles, megafauna, and birds of prey. With deeply-incised eyes, mouths and beaks, decorated with scales and serpent skin, some of these monumental Ice Age statues weigh around 80 tons and many are mounted on smaller rocks. And every animal has a deep libation bowl carved on top, confirming the site's ritual nature.

In this film we propose the temple was constructed during the Younger Dryas, around or before 10,400 BCE. Not only was the site situated on the shoreline of an Ice Age island in Glacier Humboldt at this time, but the ancient stonemasons must have observed the megafauna first-hand to have artistically rendered them in stone, before their extinction soon after this period. This dating will no doubt trigger Graham Hancock fans, who might see the creation of this site as a irrefutable evidence of a lost Ice Age civilization with advanced technologies.

Archaeologically, however, the discovery of such an expansive Late Pleistocene ritual complex suggests a more voluminous Ice Age population in the region than is currently calculated by Colombian archaeologists. Furthermore, the presently unidentified culture who designed, built and used this spectacular Ice Age temple monumentalised a relationship with animals that extended far beyond utility. Thus, we present Colombia's Younger Dryas zoomorphic temple as a challenger to Göbekli Tepe's status as the world's oldest known prehistoric religious structure.”

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2025/01/31
14:19 UTC

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INORGANIC LIFE: Alive Patterns, Part 3/3 - VERSADOCO

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2025/01/31
05:43 UTC

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Derinkuyu - Discover the story behind this amazing underground city.

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2025/01/30
23:10 UTC

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Also Olmec

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2025/01/30
20:00 UTC

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Why did they bury them?

They meant to hide them from the Sunlight, perhaps to bury the truth. It just makes no sense to bury them.

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2025/01/30
14:38 UTC

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Is the Harappan Civilization Actually a "Fail" City? Maybe It's a Paradox...

We all hear about how the Harappan cities (Mohenjo-Daro, Harappa, etc.) were incredibly advanced for their time—well-planned streets, sophisticated drainage systems, and thriving trade networks. They’re often considered the most modern cities of their era. But, what if there’s another way to look at it? Could it be that these cities were, in a way, a "fail city"?

The Harappan civilization was known for its impressive engineering and city planning, but something went wrong. These cities were suddenly abandoned, and we still don’t know exactly why. Was it climate change? A shift in the rivers? Maybe their grand vision just couldn’t last because they couldn’t sustain it. There’s a lot we don’t know, and that makes it even more intriguing.

It kind of reminds me of Lavasa—a modern city built with tons of ambition but facing economic and environmental struggles despite all the hype. They had this dream of creating a perfect city, but the reality didn’t quite match up. And in a way, Harappa had this grand vision too, but it didn't survive forever.

Here’s the thing though: We still don’t know much about why Harappa declined. Was it a natural collapse, or was there something deeper at play? Honestly, it’s all still up in the air. And that makes it all the more paradoxical.

So, is it fair to call Harappa a “fail city”? Maybe not, but it’s definitely an interesting thought. The fact that we still don’t know much about why these cities fell makes us question if they were truly the success we think they were.

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2025/01/30
13:04 UTC

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US of the World

I recently read that two states in the Yucatan and the Domincan Republic at one point applied to be territories of the US.

Also at one point the Philippines, Panama were in some part under US influence.

Greenland, the Canaries and Azores were occupied during WW2 I'd I remember right. And Vietnam in Watchmen.

All this had me thinking.

As any place can "apply" to be part of the USA. Let's just imagine that provinces, states or territories just started applying to be US territories say in 1945-modern times and the government was on an annexing spree, how would this go?

I'm thinking more of a applicants apply to join rather than occupation.

Liberia? Colombia, UK, Japan, Alberta?

What places may have been most likely? How would this change the US and the World as it snowballed? Would these places or the US be in a better place vs the current Amerikization of the world?

Would recommend everyone to see "If Polk had his way" map of the US.

Theorize below!

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2025/01/30
09:39 UTC

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Age of the Sphinx

Because there could be no greater civilizations than the west. 😄

The Mystery of the Sphinx: Are We Being Misled About Its Age?

The Great Sphinx of Giza is one of humanity's greatest mysteries, but is the truth about its origins being hidden in plain sight? While mainstream Egyptology dates it to around 2500 BCE, during the reign of Pharaoh Khafre, evidence suggests a far more ancient past—one that aligns with Manetho’s extended chronology of Egypt's history.

Manetho, the Egyptian priest-historian, claimed Egypt’s civilization spanned 36,000 years, starting with the reign of gods and demigods. Could the Sphinx have been built during this mythical golden age? Geological studies, like those by Robert Schoch, show signs of water erosion on the Sphinx—erosion caused by heavy rainfall that last occurred in Egypt around 9000 BCE or earlier. This challenges the idea that Khafre built it in the desert conditions of 2500 BCE.

The lion-like Sphinx also aligns with the Age of Leo (10,500 BCE) when the constellation Leo rose during the spring equinox. Was the Sphinx constructed as a celestial marker by an advanced pre-dynastic civilization, possibly during the time of gods and heroes that Manetho described?

If Manetho’s timeline is correct, it forces us to rethink not only the age of the Sphinx but the entire history of human civilization. Could it be a relic of a forgotten, advanced culture? The evidence is there—so why is mainstream history reluctant to rewrite the narrative?

What do you think? Could the Sphinx be proof that Egypt’s history is far older than we’re taught? Let’s hear your thoughts! 💭👇

#AncientEgypt #Sphinx #Manetho #AlternativeHistory #LostCivilizations Follow us for more historical mysteries!

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2025/01/30
06:40 UTC

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Who built them?

More evidence they found the Pyramids not Built them.

The stela begins with a dedication to Isis, referred to as the "Mistress of the Pyramid," and Osiris, "Lord of Rosta." It narrates that Khufu discovered and restored a temple dedicated to Isis near the Great Sphinx, which is called "the house of Harmakhis." The text also mentions that Khufu built a pyramid for the "king's daughter Henutsen" beside this temple. Additionally, the stela lists 22 divine statues associated with the temple, detailing their materials and sizes. More here https://www.facebook.com/share/p/LzWQJrRPtRbL6CKk/?mibextid=oFDknk

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2025/01/30
06:32 UTC

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True Age of the Pyramids

The true age of the Egyptian pyramids.

Ostrich egg, with three pyramids painted on it, located, as it should be, on the west bank of the zigzag, representing the upper part of the Nile. In addition to the pyramids, ostriches are also painted on the egg, and historians themselves dated this egg and the images on it to the pre-dynastic period!

All this splendor is in the Nubian Museum at Aswan and eloquently testifies that at least 6 thousand years ago, the three main pyramids of Gizekh were already in place. Although, there are still about 1.5 thousand years before the arrival of the pharaohs of the 4th dynasty, who should build them...

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2025/01/30
06:13 UTC

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"Steel Debris" & "Foundation walls" on Mars

Hi all,

the following Pictures are from Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) Mission

in Detail it its the Image PIA23854 (https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA23854.jpg). Nasa named it "Keeping a Watchful Eye".

Since i strongly believe that there is/was a civilization on mars i go trough these Images and try to spot anomalies.

Im aware that some of what i marked a biased by my own opinion on the subject, yet some are hard to dissmiss.

All i want is to share what i found and get your guys opinion on it.

Let me know if i wasted time or hit some things that cant be explained that easy,

I would suggest to have a 1920x1080 screen to view the orginal nasa image as well as my mirrow with the highlighted spots.

  1. Debrie Site four-triangluar "steel beams"

https://preview.redd.it/qbej7fhalzfe1.jpg?width=1972&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ca3ba1585929dc8fb00eb441c1b254693755b15

  1. "Omega" shape markings on cliff wall

https://preview.redd.it/b77f2wiqlzfe1.jpg?width=1606&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=deb510ebf6be0ca3226b2433fad2c10ca37adc65

3 .Destroyed Structure Foundations

https://preview.redd.it/bs3g4ourlzfe1.jpg?width=2033&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9642eaec0ce26950497c68af1c1e238bdfbfa760

4.Original Image Mirrow with Highlights

https://preview.redd.it/w57bufaolzfe1.jpg?width=2880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=234e9f79c341cb100824cf68ec7a139f97a2f391

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2025/01/29
20:00 UTC

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It's Convergent Evolution, guys..

Convergent evolution - Wikipedia

Why would ancient civilizations have similar clothing, or draw similar things, or build in similar ways? Because they're all trying to solve similar problems, with similar levels of technology, given the same basic social and physiological needs.

Why do they all have headdresses or tunics or shoes? Because there's only so many ways to make clothes and hang them off a human body without it being really impractical.

How do you keep a big building from falling over when you're shit at engineering? You make a big pile of blocks that's wide at the bottom and narrow at the top.

Why do the drawings all show kings executing their enemies? Because the king is the one with the money to pay stone masons, and kings like to brag, and this is an easy thing to talk about.

It's not complicated guys. Please. Talk to the ecologist in your life. It's not complicated.

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2025/01/29
14:30 UTC

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Kappa, also known as "river children," are mischievous aquatic creatures found in Japan's rivers and ponds. These reptilian humanoids are about the size of a child but stronger than a grown man. Their green, scaly skin and webbed feet make them skilled swimmers, though they're awkward on land. Kapp

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2025/01/29
13:50 UTC

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COINCIDENCE?

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2025/01/29
13:29 UTC

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The Earth’s Hidden Energy Waves: Geosolitons and the Planetary Grid

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2025/01/29
12:29 UTC

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They found a massive ancient canal in Sahara that matches Plato's description of Atlantis. What do you think?

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2025/01/29
11:01 UTC

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The Byzantium Empire never existed

We have got to stop calling the late stage of the Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire. The Byzantine Empire never existed. The term Byzantine Empire was coined by a dodgy German Hieronymus Wolf in the 16th to delegitimize the claims of Mehmed the Conqueror that he was now Caesar or Kaiser of the Roman Empire since he had conquered Constantinople. It's bullshit. The Roman Empire ended in 1453 and not in 476. And this is not a conspiracy theory it's a fact.

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2025/01/29
02:22 UTC

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Diving into debunkers responses to Graham Hancock and Uncharted X

I think like most of us, I’ve been fascinated with history in general for most of my life. I love to read about other time periods and to try make connections through the ages to our modern society.

As such, I’m 100% open to hearing as many different sides of an issue as possible.

In this quest for knowledge and insight, I’ve delved deeply into “alternative” theories about our journey from cavemen to space explorers. I find such topics fascinating (even if lacking imperial evidence).

This also means I try to watch just as many “debunking” videos as possible. It’s intellectually dishonest to close yourself off from other points because of your personal preferences or beliefs. That’s where I’d like to focus the attention of this post as I believe there’s something dishonest going on.

First, I love a good debunking. It’s 100% necessary in the age of deepfakes and hidden agendas to have a robust argument against any topic (if there is a legitimate one). Before really diving in, I believed the evidence against an unknown advanced civilization was going to be overwhelming.

That assumption was wrong.

That’s not to say anything is airtight. There’s also a lack of evidence showing the potential for these civilizations in the current archaeological record.

However, most debunkers don’t really answer the questions brought up about extreme precision or majorly condensed and backwards timelines featuring greater works before lesser ones.

It seems much more that they’re focused on belittling and targeting certain people than actually debunking anything.

This is what I mean by dishonest. They (tbf, I haven’t seen all of them, quite a few by this point but don’t want to misrepresent my position) seem to be attacking the people involved and not the actual points brought up. Often times by linking even more fringe and unpopular people/ideas to subjects they have nothing to do with.

I try (everyone has biases though) to approach most subjects as a neutral party to help myself find what’s actually true and what’s not.

That doesn’t seem to be happening with debunkers on this particular discussion.

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2025/01/28
19:34 UTC

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# The Great Pyramid's Pneumatic Lift System: A Technical Analysis

Abstract

This paper presents a theoretical analysis of the Great Pyramid of Giza's internal chambers and corridors as components of an integrated pneumatic lifting system. Through examination of architectural features, engineering principles, and thermodynamic calculations, we propose that the Great Gallery, Queen's Chamber, and King's Chamber complex may have functioned as a sophisticated pneumatic mechanism capable of generating significant lifting force through natural temperature differentials and controlled air compression.

1. Introduction

The construction methods of the Great Pyramid have long puzzled researchers, particularly regarding the transportation of massive stone blocks to upper levels. This analysis presents evidence that the internal structure, specifically the Great Gallery and associated chambers, may have functioned as an integrated pneumatic lifting system utilizing natural thermodynamic principles.

2. Architectural Analysis

2.1 The Great Gallery

Key features supporting pneumatic functionality:

  • Precise 26° angle optimized for laminar air flow
  • Length: 153 feet (47 meters)
  • Height: 28 feet (8.5 meters)
  • Corbeled walls creating natural compression
  • Highly polished limestone surfaces minimizing friction
  • Side ramps potentially serving as guide mechanisms

2.2 The Queen's Chamber

Buffer system characteristics:

  • Gabled roof design creating compression space
  • Volume: approximately 140 cubic meters
  • Strategic positioning for pressure management
  • Rough floor surface providing turbulence control
  • Functional acoustic properties suggesting air movement

2.3 The King's Chamber Complex

Pressure vessel components:

  • Granite construction suitable for pressure containment
  • Multiple relieving chambers for pressure management
  • Sophisticated ventilation shafts
  • Volume: approximately 320 cubic meters
  • Enhanced structural stability through layered design

3. Thermodynamic Analysis

3.1 Natural Temperature Differentials

The system utilizes natural temperature gradients:

  • Lower chamber temperature: 20°C (68°F)
  • Upper chamber temperature: 25-27°C (77-81°F)
  • Resulting thermal gradient: 5-7°C
  • Continuous convection potential

3.2 Pressure Generation

Calculated pressure capabilities:

  • Initial Gallery pressure: 2,000-3,000 pascals
  • Queen's Chamber amplification: 1.5-2x
  • Maximum system pressure: 8,000-10,000 pascals
  • Sustained pressure generation through natural convection

4. Operating Cycle Analysis

4.1 Cycle Phases

Complete operational sequence:

  1. Initial Compression (7-8 minutes)
    • Gallery filling: 3-4 minutes
    • Primary compression: 4 minutes
  2. Pressure Management (3-4 minutes)
    • Buffer stage: 1-2 minutes
    • Storage pressurization: 2 minutes
  3. Working Phase (5-6 minutes)
    • Active lifting: 3-4 minutes
    • Pressure depletion: 2 minutes
  4. System Reset (5-6 minutes)
    • Venting: 2 minutes
    • Re-equilibration: 3-4 minutes

Total cycle time: 20-24 minutes

4.2 Lifting Capacity

Theoretical performance metrics:

  • Base lifting capacity: 3,200 kg
  • Enhanced capacity (with mechanical advantage): 9,600 kg
  • Daily operational cycles: 72-96
  • Total daily lifting capacity: 40-50 metric tons

5. Supporting Evidence

5.1 Archaeological Findings

Physical evidence supporting the theory:

  • Precision of gallery construction
  • Sophisticated ventilation system
  • Complex granite plug mechanisms
  • Strategic chamber placement
  • Advanced sealing technologies

5.2 Historical Context

Contemporary technological capabilities:

  • Egyptian understanding of pneumatics
  • Demonstrated engineering expertise
  • Historical use of similar principles
  • Available construction materials
  • Documented lifting requirements

6. Engineering Implications

6.1 System Benefits

Advantages of pneumatic lifting:

  • No external power requirement
  • Continuous operation potential
  • Minimal moving parts
  • Self-regulating capability
  • Scalable lifting capacity

6.2 Construction Applications

Practical construction uses:

  • Upper level block placement
  • Heavy beam positioning
  • Tool and material transport
  • Ceremonial object movement
  • Ongoing maintenance access

7. Conclusion

The integrated analysis of architectural features, thermodynamic principles, and engineering capabilities strongly suggests the possibility of a sophisticated pneumatic lifting system within the Great Pyramid. This theory provides a plausible explanation for numerous architectural features while aligning with known Egyptian engineering capabilities.

The system's theoretical performance metrics match the practical requirements of pyramid construction, particularly in the upper levels where external ramp systems would have been most challenging. The natural temperature differentials within the pyramid could have provided sustainable power for this system, offering an elegant solution to one of archaeology's most persistent puzzles.

8. Future Research Directions

Recommended areas for further investigation:

  1. Computational fluid dynamics modeling
  2. Acoustic analysis of chamber resonance
  3. Detailed pressure vessel simulation
  4. Archaeological evidence of wear patterns
  5. Comparative analysis with
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2025/01/28
16:32 UTC

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The first beings in creation

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2025/01/28
08:32 UTC

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What do you think about this video regarding religion?

Just a video I found on tiktok, seemed interesting so I just wanted to hear your thoughts on it.

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2025/01/28
03:36 UTC

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Serapeum was not likely for bulls

In my trip to Egypt, I believe I have made a major discovery. There is a place called the Serapeum that is a below ground complex of 24 bays with huge granite boxes with 20+ ton lids. The inside corners are sharp and almost perfectly 90 degrees. The rims of these boxes are polished flat as are the underside of the lids. I recognized this as a fluid bearing that would allow the lids to easily be moved. Between this and the precise corners, it made me think this complex was a machine shop but I had no idea what it was for. I visited the Bent Pyramid which still has most of its casing stones. The stones on the Bent Pyramid are not straight but are angled downward and so are anchored better. When I looked up at the sea of flat stones that made up the face of a pyramid, I realized that was what the machines did. Egyptologists tell us copper chisels were used to create these surfaces but I saw plenty of flat chiseled rocks and it was obvious that chisels were used. But these were too flat and consistent with a better surface finish than is possible with chisels. Some have suggested these rocks were molded in a form to explain the flatness. They found bull bones in one of the boxes so now we are told this was a ritualistic burial place for sacred bulls. I say bull. I made a CAD model of a box and lid to see if these stones would fit inside and they did. The blocks are long and have to stand up so the boxes have to be tall, and they are. And the lid had to slide back enough to fit the part and get a running start to drive the lid into the limestone rock sticking barely above the rim of the box. It takes eight Joules per cc of limestone to cut it. I took a digital protractor with me and I measured 1.65 degrees downhill. This required 14 men to pull the lid back uphill. These same men could get the lid going fast enough to give it a little over 4000J of energy so I wrote a spreadsheet that took away Joules as it chopped off the limestone and eventually there was zero left. It looks like four or five passes were needed to shave a stone. There is reason to believe this was done underwater. The boxes are in pits so the water would be waist high to the workers. Limestone strength drops to 40% of its dry strength so this made cutting easier. It also brought the weight of the lid from 20 tons to 12 tons. Thus only nine people would have been needed. If these boxes were made flat enough to create a fluid bearing, that means the lid moved in an extremely flat plane. And the cutting edge, which is the base of the lid, has no offset that would impart a lifting force to the lid. The weight and suction of water would keep the lid from climbing over the limestone. Thus repeated cuts wouldn't show any lines where it stopped each time.

Bent Pyramid casing stone being planed flat

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2025/01/27
23:28 UTC

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It’s clear that these ancient granite megalithic structures were not constructed by the civilizations traditionally credited with building them.

A much older and more technologically advanced civilization constructed them. Once that civilization was destroyed—by whatever means caused its downfall—the newer civilizations that stumbled upon the broken megaliths literally picked up the pieces and tried to replicate what had been done. Those who think otherwise are in complete denial.

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2025/01/27
22:31 UTC

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