I hate this word so much.

(Intro)

Before commenting in disagreement, it’s important to recognize that Somalis prioritize maintaining their image, which can create a distorted societal perception. In the case of Somalis and Somalia, people often assume we are all the same, yet this is a standard we adhere to as if it were a performance, even though it is not genuine. For instance, every country has at least 5% of its population that identifies as LGBTQ, but individuals and families often go to great lengths to conceal this, including marrying off their children or subjecting them to conversion therapy in private centers. I mention this to illustrate that what you see and hear among Somalis is often not authentic; it is merely shadows and echoes conforming to one another. This facade can lead some to mistakenly believe that Ex-Muslims and LGBTQ individuals barely exist in Somalia, while, in reality, both cases may be prevalent in their home. Meanwhile, a sister who has left Islam may still lead the local halaqah, unable to quit due to pressure from her family and community.

(Survery)

A recent survey conducted on Reddit, involving around 44,000 Somali youth aged 16-35—who make up the majority of Somalis abroad due to the high fertility rate of the older generation—revealed interesting findings. Of those surveyed, 7,600 identified as ex-Muslim, while 37,000 identified as Muslim. According to this survey, 17% of Somali youth in the diaspora between the ages of 16-35 are ex-Muslim. Of course this is not a survey but it more or less is and has the same ramifications.

she really told me last night "idc if you go to jamacad ama Fedex kuu shaqeystid ani lacag un baarabaa" I SAID WAOWWWW YOU SAID WHAT IVE BEEN SUSPECTING FOR MONTHS. glad to know i'm definitely making the right choice to forever go no contact bye bitch youre not getting any money from me

also i remember her asking me like a month ago if i'd give her my first paycheck when i work my first job next summer and she was guilt tripping me and shit after i said no. like i asked her if she meant the whole thing and she said yes. I SAID GIRL YOU CANT WAIT TILL MY SECOND?? i havent even gotten the fucking job yet damn like i always suspected this bitch only had me to be her little jannah insurance and her caretaker when shes a decrepit geriatric but hearing it come out her mouth is something else. like wow im really feeling the love here

edit: FORGOT TO CLARIFY! I DID IN FACT TELL HER NO, SHE PROCEEDED TO TRY TO GUILT TRIP ME AND THEN MOVED ON TO ASK MY SISTER IF SHE WOULD GIVE HER HER FIRST PAYCHECK 😭😭 she made sure to use me as an example as well she was like "dont be like your sister she thinks cuz shes older now she can just abandon her parents 😿😿🤕🥺 woe is meee"

My older brother and I got into an argument today, sparked by my visible irreligiousness. He noticed that I haven’t been going to the mosque to pray lately and said the reason I’m out of work is because I don’t pray enough. I wanted to rage at him and say things that would probably get me killed, lol, but instead, I just said that no amount of praying is going to guarantee I find a job. What if I go to the mosque every day, read my Quran, and be the perfect Muslim he wants me to be, but still find myself in this predicament? As expected, he avoided this by reiterating that being closer to Allah would definitely help.

Afterward, he asked me why I wasn’t seeking work outside my field (I had previously told him, about a month after graduating in April, that I wanted to focus on my field first). I replied that I actually was—that I was looking for any and all work, including waiter jobs, to earn income in the meantime and help out my family, who do need assistance. He responded, “Waiting! No, that’s not a job. You can’t do that; you have a degree! Besides, Somalis don’t do work like that.” I was speechless, lol. I know Somalis can be proud and over-confident, but WHAT IS THIS? It never crossed my mind that this kind of work would be “beneath” me as some people think, and honestly, I thought a lot of people, including my own, would understand the world we live in (the current job market and our country, South Africa, with an official unemployment rate of 34% and youth unemployment at 60%). I thought they’d be more understanding of people who do work like this.

I exploded and told him that waiting tables is honorable work and that you can earn quite a bit, “enough to even help you guys out,” but nooo, he didn’t want to hear it. I wanted to just exit the conversation, but then he threw in another criticism: “You’re not a social person; you’re cooped up in the house reading books all day. You’re lonely. Talk to people, let the [Somali] people we know into your life; things might improve for you.” No, please—there are reasons why I distanced myself from these [Somali] people, not least because of my ex-Muslim status. I am lonely, though; he really clocked me on that. But I’m convinced I’ll find something, build my career (holding on to hope: I have an interview on November 7th for an internship program), save some money, and then LEAVE this place—this place filled with conservative Somalis, where I feel suffocated, where I am constantly criticized, where I can’t be myself, where I can't deviate from the one way Somalis are supposed to live, leave this loneliness, this hopeless place. I’m so glad I still have hope.

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Most Somalis voting for Trump believe he’ll stop the “khaniisiinta”—whatever that means. Why is this such a big issue for them? Trump doesn’t focus on culture war issues and even spoke at an “LGBT for Trump” rally.

As an Malaysian Ex-Muslim, how rare are Somali Ex-Muslims? Whenever I heard that there were some Somalis that left Islam I was shocked to hear that because Somalis in general are very religious especially in Somalia and in most of the time outside of the country. So it let me to think how rare are Somali Ex-Muslims and how religious are Somalis overall including those who live overseas?

The future there is so bleak most of country seems to survive off hand outs from aid organizations or family member in west . Most of infrastructure there is decades old or lack any sort of semblance of govt institutions from roads to hospitals. We are truly dead last in world plus constant gun fire you hear every day or road blocks where a “ govt soldier “ strong arms money out of you while barely checking car for contraband lol. Oh the fact that constant foreign intervention can be seen like you will see a build board funded by some European organization saying don’t migrate or a bridge that has sign thanking some govt in Middle East for funding what looks like a basic bridge . Going there just reminds me how hopeless and dim the situation is .

Oh constant threat of Arsenal as well where even mentioning their name in public could put you on their list . Is this truly best we can offer as a people to be poster boy for a failed state that’s kept alive by hand outs and food aid

Hi! 28 f here. Would like to make some connections and chat.

I was never really a practicing Muslim, just grew up around it.(still wore hijab and pray and stuff just never believed)

Still somehow I can’t seem to shake the religious guilt, and I feel so disconnected from my culture for not believing. It’s even more complicated because I’m not straight—I feel like such an outsider sometimes. I want to date or fall in love, but then I worry everyone sees me as “sinning” just because I’m Somali. I even think about saying I’m Ethiopian so people don’t question why I eat pork or drink, but that feels off too.

Friendships are tough; I always feel like I’m holding back. I don’t really fit in with other black people here in Germany, since most are super religious—either Muslim or Christian—and it makes it hard to connect. How can I stop feeling this guilt?

So I had a chat with two of my uncles yesterday and told both of them that I left the religion. They both said I need to do more research. I probably know more about the religion than both of them yet I’m the one that needs to do more research.

Fuck off.

Research isn’t going to the change the fact that I believe in the scientific method. Plus, I’ve actually read the Quran which is more than can be said for lots of Muslims.

Basically the title, its regular to discuss sexual relations on this sub but its usually done from an LGBT or female perspective (perfectly understandable considering the context) but I don't fit into any of those demographics, are there any straight guys here that only started doing sexual things after they became more irreligious?

For reasons that I myself cannot articulate, in my early 20s I haven't done anything with a girl yet, when I eventually do I know it's going to be wierd considering the religous upbringing.

Does it feel wierd doing sexual stuff guilt wise?

How do you go about finding partners considering the snitch culture we have in our community ?

Have your previous partners been somali girls?

If they were religious do you feel guilty about doing stuff with them considering it's haram for them?

If you don't do stuff with Somali girls, are there particular communities you go after, or do you not care where someone is from?

These are the only questions I can come up with at the top of my head right now, feels like most somali guys in the west have sexual relations in adolescence even whilst religous, so I feel like I'm shooting in the dark here lol, but if there's anyone out there with similar experiences to me, how did you go about it?

Do you guys think we will see a somalia where you practice whatever religion you want or be gay I feel like somalia is heading towards secularism especially younger somalis back home

Sexual violence in the Somali community

Hi my fellow gaals.

!I was sexually abused as a child by an uncle. This isn’t the only sexual violence I’ve experienced in my lifetime but I want to focus on it because it really showed me how fucked it is to be a Somali woman.!<

I was 9. The perp was my 27 year old uncle. I disclosed to someone in school what my uncle was doing and safeguarding procedures were triggered. My father told me recently I told a peer and the peer told a teacher. Anyway I suspect my parents made me send the social worker and the police away. I could have gone to court and testified against my uncle but it didn’t happen. My uncle stopped having access to me though. I went back to the police at the age of 17 because I wanted justice and they said I needed parental support because of my age. Parents refused to support me. I went back at 18 and finally went as far as I could go with it. Sadly , the case was too weak to go to court.

Over the years, I’ve had many convos about this with my parents. One of those took place when I was around 18. I asked my father why my uncle wasn’t imprisoned. He spoke about my reputation and said he feared that I would never get married if I took it as far as court. My parents have admitted that they were fearful of children’s services - partly because they didn’t know the system.

I literally got zero support after it happened so you can imagine what my mental health has been like over the years especially when you take into consideration all of the other trauma I’ve experienced.

I’ve got a number of mental health conditions now. I suspect I have C-PTSD. I’m in therapy and know where to get help.

I have thoughts of harming my abusers including my parents and my paedo uncle. I’m filled with anger all the time and I’m just about surviving. I hate men as well because of what I’ve experienced and what I continue to experience as a woman. I work full time and live away from my toxic family but it’s a struggle because trauma has a huge impact and I don’t have many people around me. My plan is to cut my family off when I no longer need them. I’ve tried many times but I keep going back because I don’t have many people in my life .

I’d love to write a book about my life and also start an organisation for women like me.

Has anyone else gone through what I’ve gone through? This is basically ceeb culture imo.

Let's keep it real for all the Muslim lurkers on here.

Listen buddy, as I got older and wiser I realize that Islam is just like any other religion. It is nothing more than a world view, a personal opinion and a lifestyle that someone chooses to follow. Every human being has their own lifestyle that they are happy to follow so it's unethical to impose your own views on others.

To force others to follow your views is extremely wrong and dangerous. It breeds resentment and mistrust amongst friends and family members. Not to mention how insecure you come of if you want others to validate your low self worth and false sense of superiority by forcing them to follow your beliefs.

If I refuse to follow that lifestyle and have my own opinions on how I should live my life then that should be respected by all. this is a boundary Im setting with everyone Including Somalis. I've met dozens of good Somalis who understand this fact but for every 1 respectful person there's 12 people who somehow believe they're entitled to how others think.

In any case, I'm grateful for being a big intimidating man and live independently so I don't deal with the cultish weirdos. Now I'm more concerned for my close friends and family members who can't think for themselves and are forced to live a fake life because of bullying and harassment by Somalis who think Islam is universal and must be followed by all.

What culture that yours is destroyed by Islamic menace? In here Malaysia most of us Malay don't know our origin alphabet including our culture before Islam come. Also don't know we itself is Austronesian

like no joke im shocked. she was ranting about how elon musk cut off his son or daughter or smth bc they’re gay and how she’s supportive. i didn’t tweak out about that because she’s a muslim somali mom what did i expect. but i was absolutely baffled when she said gay people deserve to be thrown off buildings because that’s what islam says (it made me uncomfortable but i feel like i remember her saying that a few years ago so still not that surprised) BUT THEN she goes on to say, that if any of her kids were gay no one else would have to 💀 them she’d do it herself with her own hands and chase them till she does. i genuinely never felt so uncomfortable in my life with her. especially since she always says the worst pain a human being can experience is the death of their child and how she wouldn’t wish it on anyone. yet she’s so quick to 💀 her child just because of a harmless “sin”. like how can you consider yourself a mother? at least most sick muslims still want their child to get to heaven so they’d try to change them or i know a lady who forced her son into arranged marriage with her girl back from somalia who didn’t know he’s gay (i feel so bad for both of them) but nope she said i’m taking you off this earth and i don’t care if you’re in hell for eternity. like i never expected just extremism from her especially since she doesn’t even pray even though she damn near 50. she wears pants and makeup. only fasts half the days yet says shit like this? am i missing something??

it’s especially uncomfortable because i’m queer i like whoever i like. i never plan on telling her, but it’s so scary to think she would put me 6 feet deep because of it. now everytime im with her, and we’re having a good moment i get a shiver down my spine 😭😭😭

Idk about u guys but I have to wear a hijab and abaya all the time but wedding I can leave the house with my hair out bra showing and everything and there ok with that but I told my mum I didn’t wanna wear a hijab and she flipped like what I’m soo confused cause all I wanna wear is jeans and a T-shirt and that’s a no but yes I can have my whole bra and belly button out

Link to recent article - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13975765/Pictured-Vile-predator-killed-NHS-worker-mother-orally-raping-her.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=social-twitter_mailonline

Anyone who says “gender war” to this dangerous phenomenon is just as bad as Muslims who justify violence against women in the name of the Quran

Whenever she’s told “xyz committed suicide” she’s so quick to berate them.

How could they do that to themselves? Do they not fear Allah? The punishment for suicide is being forced to commit however method you used to kill yourself for the rest of eternity, don’t they know that?

She’s just so full of shit. She’s so quick to criticize them and not realize that people commit suicide because they’re genuinely in so much pain. And it’s so funny how she’s so loud with her criticism- as if I wasn’t suicidal and my sister informed her that I was suicidal. That lack of empathy and care is what made me want to kill myself. I genuinely couldn’t/currently can’t see a way out of this hell of an existence. Her response to finding out ten year old me wanting to kill myself was “What is my family going to think of me?” While sobbing. Not once did she ask, “How can I support you?” or take any initiative to help me improve my mental health. People like her are so ready to shit on people who kill themselves yet don’t do jack shit when people come to them about their mental health.

I still want to kill myself, and I do genuinely want to go through with it. One thing that’s stopping me from doing so is thinking about what my mom would say about me if I killed myself. I don’t want people who weren’t there for me and people who made my mental health worse to be at my funeral. I don’t want them saying “Yeah she’s going to hell!” because I committed suicide. I hate how cruel this religion is to people who killed themselves. I also hate “God” for it as well. How cruel are you to say that people who kill themselves because of how terrible their lives are deserve to burn in hell forever? That is not a god, that is a monster.

Hello

Terron Poole is a black american convert to Islam and and he is married to a Somali woman.

He has a youtube channel called "Sképsislamica" : https://www.youtube.com/@skepsislamica

On his YouTube channel, he talks about Islamic history, the different sects and theological movements within Islam, and invites various scholars to share their knowledge about the Quran, hadiths, and the sira. Here is a short video about his journey from Christianity to Islam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcswfm0Vz3I

Anyway, I follow him on Twitter and came across , yesterday, this tweet of his: https://x.com/Back2daM00N/status/1847236746183901584

He said : It’s chilling to think that if Muslims still dominated the world, slavery might still be the norm.

I believe his point is that before slavery was officially abolished in the west, there were various abolitionist movements in western and eastern Europe from the 12th century onward ....
And in Islam, no such movements never existed.

It’s important to remember that slavery in the Middle East and North Africa was abolished largely due to pressure from Western colonial powers.

Do you agree with his claim that if Muslims were the dominant global power, slavery would still exist today?

And who would the slaves be, given that the closest black populations to Saudi Arabia are in East African countries?

Now obviously the masc guys and fem girls are gonna blend in with everyone else but now that I think about it I’ve never been able to notice a single detail or hint that they’re not straight.

Literally zero tells at all they got that shii on lock 😭. But lmk if you guys have any stories about if you’ve been able to spot them

Not like anyone needs my validation or approval but for any mixed Somalis ( especially mixed with Black/African) or just those of us who are "Blacker" for lack of a better word make sure you take care of your mental health as well. I don't care now cause I'm older but I remember being insecure cause I had jareer hair growing up so if 14 year old me was on the internet seeing all these insults being swapped I would have yeeted myself cause I was weak like that 😭 I've always found it weird how every convo about Somalis and antiBlackness has always revolved around other ppl, as if it doesn't affect us first but anyways that convo has come and gone a long time ago so either way take care of yourselves and block content that affects you

Does anyone have some quotes from classical scholars showing the humiliating/degrading conditions placed on dhimmis in a islamic state? Like forbidden to build churches, clothing restrictions, etc?