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A community for the quality discussion of The Wheel of Time series of novels by Robert Jordan (& completed by Brandon Sanderson) as well as Amazon's streaming adaptation, the first audiobook recordings by Michael Kramer & Kate Reading, the second audiobook recordings by Rosamund Pike, the graphic novels adaptation by Chuck Dixon & Chase Conley (and continued by Rik Hoskin and Marcio Abreu) as well as the collectable card game, the video game, the tabletop role-playing game, etcetera.

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A community for the quality discussion of The Wheel of Time, a series of epic fantasy novels by Robert Jordan (& completed by Brandon Sanderson) as well as Amazon's streaming adaptation, the first audiobook recordings by Michael Kramer & Kate Reading, the second audiobook recordings by Rosamund Pike, the graphic novels adaptation by Chuck Dixon & Chase Conley (and continued by Rik Hoskin and Marcio Abreu) as well as the collectable card game, the video game, the tabletop role-playing game, etcetera.

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I find many Ayes Sedai sayings helpful for real life

Here are a few that I’ve incorporated into my life and found very helpful. Kudos to Cadsuane because I think a good few came from her.

  1. What cannot be cured must be endured.

  2. What must be endured can be endured.

  3. You can achieve a great deal if you can control yourself.

  4. The idea that feelings are to be embraced but behaviors and reactions to them are to be controlled generally.

The social jockeying/so called game of houses stuff makes them unbearably frustrating at times but I find many of the underlying philosophies very helpful for dealing with emergencies and life stressors.

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2024/11/02
05:03 UTC

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Could Sauron invade the lands of time???

I know it’s absolutely absurd but I’m just genuinely curious

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2024/11/02
02:53 UTC

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Passages that made you tear up?

So I have read most of the books in the series multiple times, the last three or so only once and I haven’t read the final one yet. ( I suffer from needing to reread the whole series as a whole and always die off during the slog) one my first few reads of a book I’m guilty of skipping passages from the point of views of random people who aren’t the main characters or the dark friends. Well I’m rereading towers of midnight for the first time and read the whole prologue for the first time and the last pov from the borderland soldier as the blight was overtaking them has me crying for the first time in the series. Any passages that got to you? (Spoilers are fine, I have not been able to avoid the main plots of the final book)

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2024/11/01
22:18 UTC

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Me and the boys got dressed up for Halloween

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2024/11/01
16:41 UTC

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Just finished Book 11!

Mid. What kind of ending was that? Not gonna say any spoilers but every previous book including 7-10 had big things at the end. the SLOG had better endings. It was just so “guess I gotta read the next one sigh” instead of “OMG I NEED THIS NEXT BOOK NOW!!”

Perhaps books 12-14 will blow my socks off. Until then, mid series and I blame everyone who suggested it to me.

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2024/10/31
23:35 UTC

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Poor Loial

I’m about halfway through the second book and feel so bad for Loial. I don’t think he’s gotten one full sentence out without being interrupted

No spoilers for the second book please!

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2024/10/31
14:23 UTC

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Why do the Forsaken speak the common tongue

Am I the only one wondering why the Forsaken don't speak in the Old Tongue? The only one to have ever used it was Sammael when she was cursing in ACOS. They are only just reawakened yet they seem to pick up on the local culture almost immediately. I guess we could insinuate that when we read a chapter from their POVs it's the Old Tongue but those are rare.

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2024/10/31
02:56 UTC

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Start watching wheel of time season 1 after reading the first book?

Can i watch the wheel of time season 1 after reading just 1 book or will i get spoiled?

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2024/10/31
02:52 UTC

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There is any info about this place? Have RJ said something?

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2024/10/30
23:35 UTC

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Jim Butcher is a Fan

Probably not new so but saw this while reading the Aeronautics Windlass.

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2024/10/30
23:02 UTC

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About Egwene...

I have heard a lot of things about Egwene, good and bad things throughout all the books, and I would like to talk more specifically about the 11th book, which is, honestly speaking, one of the arcs that I have enjoyed the most throughout of the entire saga. I just enjoyed how the amyrlin of the white tower captured her and made her a novice again, having to surpass herself having to surpass the others at that age and the other ajahs, managing on her own and abilities to be accepted as the extension of the white tower. In these terms, for me, Egwene's arc throughout this book was by far the most enjoyable of the book. And not only that but in the later books when Egwene is against Rand's idea, I can completely understand her.

(Sorry for my bad english. I write this through google translate)

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2024/10/30
22:56 UTC

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Rosamund Pike is magnificent.

Just listened to chapter 10. The Stone Stands. Riveting. And if this scene doesn’t make it into the show I will tear my freaking hair out.

The tiny compressed lightning storm to kill all the shadowspawn and the despair after. “You are not the Creator, Rand.”

Somehow I was so engrossed in the first half of the chapter that I forgot the second half was coming and it just knocked the wind out of me. Still one of the best things I’ve ever read in any book. There are other powerful scenes in this series, but that might be the most. Definitely the saddest.

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2024/10/30
22:45 UTC

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Character tier list

There’s no real common consensus for wheel of time character ratings for what I’ve seen. For example, I’ve seen Perrin thrown from S tier to D tier. I don’t think any of my takes are that hot though.

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2024/10/30
21:28 UTC

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Could Gawyn have been influenced by Padan Fain in LOC?

So on my annual reread, I'm currently in Lord Of Chaos. Gawyn is inspecting the Younglings and meets a peddler calling himself Mil Tesen. The peddler brings new of Morgase's death at Rand's hand and Gawyn swears to kill Rand if true.

From then on, Gawyn is obsessed with vengeance and a refusal to accept any facts or stories that Rand was not responsible. Even when Egwene pleads with him.

So...could Mil have been Padan Fain using his corrupting influence to twist Gawyn against Rand?

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2024/10/30
21:15 UTC

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How important is it to remember all of the characters/names?

Basically title. There are so many names and groups in this series. How important is it for the quality of a read-through to remember every person? I felt like I had a good grasp of most/all characters throughout the first 5-6 books. I took a break between books 6 and 7 and now I'm having a hard time keeping track of certain Aes Sedai, Kin, Aiel, etc.

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2024/10/30
20:42 UTC

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New Orbit Hardcover books 2 and 3 available for preorder.. Release Dec 1st.

I was just looking at my lovely red recent hardcover release of Eye of the World and wonder if/when the next ones are coming. Last time I thought you bought it on Orbits website but nothing. So I searched for news in general and sure enough, a blue and a green, books 2 and 3 in hardcover are available for preorder, shipping Dec 1st. Forbiddenplanet.com and others..

Edit.. Just ordered mine, shipping to US. Exchange and postage was 107 USD off Amazon for both. ForbiddenPlanet was higher shipping.

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2024/10/30
20:14 UTC

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Oh frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! The 4th book, narrated by Rosamund Pike is out.

Not sure when it dropped, but I'm soooo happy to see it available.

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2024/10/30
20:10 UTC

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Does it get better?

I’m gonna say it… unless Sanderson does some magic this went from my favorite series to just another mid thing I picked up!

I could ramble for so long about all of my problems but I genuinely need to ask, does it get better? I just finished Knife of Dreams and I’m still kinda meh. Ever since book 4 I have been reading out of stubbornness!

Does Sanderson save it all? Or does it stay the way it is with minor writing changes because of the author swap?

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2024/10/30
17:22 UTC

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Where’s Waldo Wheel of Time

So I’m planning a wimmelbilder-type illustration (think Where’s Waldo) of the Wheel of Time series. Shoot me your favorite scenes if this reaches you and you have a moment. Thanks!

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2024/10/30
15:08 UTC

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Questions from a new reader

I decided I wanted to start the series and I just had a question before I started. Should I read the books by publication date or is there a chronological way that’s better?

Thanks

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2024/10/30
04:29 UTC

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What is up with all the mistrust with Rand and Aes Sedai?

So I just finished The Shadow Rising. Towards the end, Moiraine asks Rand to confide in him, to which he says he can't do that unless she promises to not get between him and his decisions. Now, Rand is almost a robot at this point, he wants to get this done and has given up a notion of normal life. Why doesn't he trust Aes Sedai(Moiraine)? Logically it's she who brought them out, they should have developed a relationship with her by now. It's pretty clear everyone has a clear goal to defeat the dark one, but nobody trusts nobody somehow, to add another layer of politics, which is good choice by writing but gets hard to believe sometimes.Am I missing something?

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2024/10/30
03:38 UTC

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Rand in the box

Does rand gets captured in the box two times? Because im almost at the end of lord of chaos and I remember Reading lots of chapters about It

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2024/10/30
00:35 UTC

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Are there any games associated with this series?

No spoilers please. I’m restarting book 1 after getting to book 3 on my first attempt. So I’m still very new to this world. But I like playing games: video, card, or board, doesn’t matter, associated with worlds I love. I was just curious if wheel of time has any?

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2024/10/29
02:56 UTC

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The Beginning of the End

First time reader staring AMOL tonight. I'm excited to see how things end, but not sure I'm ready for the series to be done. I didn't think I would like it as much as I have when I started. The only reason I started reading the books is because I really disliked the first episode of the TV show. I just thought that there was no way the books were as bad as the show (if you like the show, great! I'm glad somebody does). I really tried to avoid spoilers as much as possible so I have no idea how it's going to end.

That being said here's a few thoughts going into the last book:

  • I really like Mat and Talmanes rapport together - those guys crack me up
  • I never thought Perrin would end up leading the White Cloaks in battle. I'm not disappointed, just surprised
  • Rand's arc is WILD - maybe his return to the light was a little sudden, but still good. Now it's time to face the dark one
  • I really disliked the three rivers' women initially, but they've totally redeemed themselves
  • What to do with the Seanchan? I have no idea how that's going be resolved, hopefully the Prince of Ravens has something to do with the dealing with them
  • Morrain is back! Will Lanfear show up as well, seems like she got out.
  • There's mention from Verin that the last battle won't be like they expect - so I'm excited to see what that means.

That's all for now, time to see how it all ends.

Also, the Wheel of Time app has been a huge help, a big thanks to all the contributors!

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2024/10/28
16:32 UTC

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Are days measured differently in Randland?

Currently on a re-read and came across this passage in CoT. Typo or is a fortnight more days in Randland? A fortnight is 14 days, 22 is way past that.

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2024/10/28
11:13 UTC

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Starting the series for the first time

Hey all, I've decided at the beginning of next year I'm going to start the series for the first time. I'm an avid reader and fantasy is my favorite genre. For whatever reason Ive been putting this off but I'm finally ready.

My question is where can I purchase the whole set of books with the original artwork? I've been looking and it seems anything new only has that new artwork which I'm not a fan of. Doesnt matter if theyre hardcover or paperback really. Is ebay my only option? thanks

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2024/10/28
02:05 UTC

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Healing ones self

I think I remember somewhere in the books that aes sedai and ashamen can’t heal themselves, and I’m just wondering why that is again? Seems like they should be able to . I’ve read the series ,so no worries about spoiling anything

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2024/10/28
01:13 UTC

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"The Lord of Chaos" and Callandor, by me.

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2024/10/27
18:36 UTC

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Great Trope Subversion in ToM

In stories, especially fantasy, I feel like it’s a common enough trope for one character to be sentenced to a punishment, but at a later date. During Perrin’s trial, I had a feeling that this would happen. Sure enough, it did, and this indicated a few things:

  1. Perrin and Galad will both survive the final battle. If one of them dies, this entire plot point won’t matter, and readers would be disappointed. A good writer wouldn’t toss in a Chekov’s gun if they don’t intend to make use of it.

  2. Perrin will absolutely survive. The fact that Galad wouldn’t settle on a punishment in the moment indicates that by the end of the Last Battle, he will see enough good in Perrin to spare him from a death sentence.

Readers familiar with the trope know (roughly) what the fates of these two characters will be. There’s no real tension.

Or so we assume.

Sanderson and/or Jordan made the brilliant decision to give us an answer within the same book. Instead of naming Perrin’s punishment after the Last Battle, as Galad originally promised to do, it isn’t very long before he assures Perrin that the man won’t be sentenced to die after all. By wrapping this up earlier than the trope usually does, the authors didn’t just surprise the readers (or at least me) the tension is much higher. Now, there’s no promise to the reader that this plotline needs to be wrapped up. Now, Perrin and Galad are not necessarily safe in the Last Battle.

From a writing perspective, I’m not sure if I would’ve thought to adjust the trope this way, but I’m really glad they did.

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2024/10/27
15:11 UTC

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A first time reader’s ranking of Books 1-6

Some controversial takes here but subjectivity is beautiful, right?

  1. The Fires of Heaven (7/10)

Still a good book, but for me the pacing was very slow here, and apart from the ending, it wasn’t a hugely eventful book for the size of it. Still enjoyable, but the twist at the end felt significantly less impactful due to what had come before it.

  1. Lord of Chaos (7.5/10)

Again, slow in a lot of parts, but I enjoyed it more as we saw more interactions between the main characters. I loved Rand and the Forsaken in this book especially. Dumai’s Wells was good, but a little underwhelming? Taim’s arrival was great, though.

  1. The Eye of the World (7.5/10)

Probably the most action-packed book in terms of meeting new characters and plot lines. I loved the slow burn feel, and Rand and Mat’s storyline was great. There were some issues with pacing, I found, and the ending was pretty poor, but a great first book for the series.

  1. The Shadow Rising (8/10)

It was hard to find a score for this one, as on the one hand it’s one of the best books I’ve ever read, but on the other I was so uninterested in a certain major plot line that I can’t justify putting it higher. I know it’s controversial, but Perrin and Faile are just really irritating together, and I could not enjoy what should have been a brilliant return to Emond’s Field. The other two plot lines were good, especially Rand’s, and the first 300 or so pages of the book were probably the most I’ve ever enjoyed a book. I just love so many of these characters, and any time they interact (like Rand, Egwene, and Elayne in Tear) is golden.

  1. The Dragon Reborn (8/10)

This was one of the most important books in the series, for me. We hardly see anything if Rand, and get to focus on other characters and storylines. Mat’s storyline here is brilliant, and though I enjoyed him before, he became my favourite character to read in this book, both as a POV character and from the perspective of other character. It’s a slightly controversial opinion, I think, but this is my favourite ending of the series so far! I just love how all the characters came together in Tear, especially Mat saving the girls.

  1. The Great Hunt (9/10)

I’m a harsh critic so I hardly give anything 10, but this came so close. It’s just the perfect fantasy story for me. We get to see more worldbuilding and politics, and I love the group of Rand, Loial, and Hurin. Had a blast reading this book. Start was a little slow, but after the Horn was stolen I couldn’t put it down.

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2024/10/27
13:09 UTC

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