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A community for designers and developers interested web accessibility. Standards, compliance, screen readers, testing, tools and technology for accessible web development.

A community for designers and developers interested web accessibility. W3C WAI, WCAG, ARIA & JavaScript, screen readers, testing, US Section 508 compliance, future ADA web standards, plus tools and technology for accessible web development.

/r/webaccess

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Recite Me

Evaluating Recite.me Does anyone have any experience using their toolbar good or bad or using any of their other services?

2 Comments
2024/10/28
21:17 UTC

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Looking for testing tools

I've been looking into some accessibility testing tools, and I'm not sure what I should look for in a good one. I know that it needs to be able to integrate with our privately hosted sites, but other than that, I'm at a loss. Does anyone have anything they like using?

2 Comments
2024/10/23
13:13 UTC

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How Do Large Companies Manage Ongoing Accessibility Evaluations and WCAG Compliance per Module?

I'm working on a large React application with multiple modules. Maintaining WCAG compliance per module is challenging, especially as new features may affect accessibility over time. Managing this in Excel is hard due to the numerous fields and difficulty recording module accessibility. Do big companies build their own Accessibility Management Platforms, or do they use third-party services? How do they monitor and maintain accessibility as the application evolves?

2 Comments
2024/09/18
15:46 UTC

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How can a website that’s 100% WCAG compliant still be inaccessible?

I’ve heard it said that even if a website is completely WCAG (Web Content Accessibility Guidelines) compliant, it can still present accessibility barriers and be unpleasant to use for people using assistive technology. 

While this makes intuitive sense, I’m trying to think of some concrete examples of how this is possible. 

Some ways I can think of at the top of my head are:

  • Alternative text for images that (while technically being accurate) is too long making it impractical to use. 
  • Excessively long paragraphs that don’t have navigable structures. This would be difficult to use for someone using page headers to find the relevant content they’re looking for.

What are some other ways?

1 Comment
2024/09/13
23:25 UTC

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Are alternative format versions an acceptable way to provide accessibility to a PDF?

I have two questions to ask: 

  1. For PDFs (Portable Document Format files), is providing an equivalent and accessible version in a different format (such as a word document or an html file) an acceptable way of providing accessibility? 
  2. For those who use assistive technology: Do you have a preferred format for examining content? 

Background Context:

As someone who works with federal contracts, I’ve been studying on how to create digital content that adheres to Section 508 such as : word documents, presentations and PDFs. 

My experience so far leads me to wonder if PDFs might not be the best format to use for sharing information in some cases. While PDFs provide a strongly consistent visual presentation for printed materials, they seem far more difficult to make accessible than other digital formats, such as word documents. 

For this and other reasons, I suspect that it would be more practical to use different formats other than PDFs for providing accessible content, rather than working to make PDFs accessible. Do you think this is a good idea? What are your thoughts on this?

11 Comments
2024/09/11
17:18 UTC

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Automated open source a11y testing tools for websites, including local development?

Hello! I'm sorry for asking such a basic question here but I'm not in any sort of way an expert on a11y and am trying to put some more thought into it because I understand how important it is.

Anyway, I'd like to try to build some more guardrails around my development practice in terms of enforcing accessible designs / UX wherever possible.

I know there are tools like Lighthouse which will give an accessibility score, which is a lot better than nothing, but I'm interested in doing something like building the best checks I can into my toolchain, e.g. into a Husky git commit hook for example to ensure any changes I'm making pass a particular threshold.

I am sure this is a common practice but I was hoping somebody might be willing to point me in the right direction here.

For now, thank you!

4 Comments
2024/09/10
01:32 UTC

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How Valuable Do You Find Component Testing for Accessibility?

As a developer, how valuable do you find component testing for catching accessibility issues?
My team plans to implement this, and I’m curious if it's worth it.
Have you encountered any limitations or challenges with testing accessibility at the component level?

Suggestions for tools (paid / free) are also welcome.

Thanks in advance for your insights!

1 Comment
2024/07/16
16:26 UTC

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I have a pdf block to test with PAC (Pdf Accessibility Checker) There's an error I can't fix:"Figure" Element on a single page with no bounding box

I have already tried to delete the Figure Tag and Recreate it. I have entered the attributes: Placement Block and BBOX. I tried to insert, also, the value of the BBOX attribute, but I get the same error.

I can't edit or rewrite the pdf for corporate policy

What can I do to fix it?

0 Comments
2024/06/24
11:27 UTC

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Is Excel accessible enough?

HI everyone, I work at a company that does audits for companies for digital accessibility in the Netherlands. I am in a working group with my colleagues to figure out and be able to answer PDF issues. We find that with PDFs many things can still be unclear.

My question that I am going to figure out is the following: in some cases an Excel file is offered as an alternative to non-accessible content. Do we accept this as an accessible alternative? Why yes/no? What should we do with it if a website has all the data in excel files?

So I am looking for information on forums and websites to find an answer,

1 Comment
2024/05/17
07:44 UTC

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Advice in Manual Accessibility Testing Wanted!

Hey everyone!

My colleague and I are currently interning at a company in the Netherlands (very small company so they don’t have any accessibility experts), where we're focused on improving web accessibility for government institutions, particularly municipalities. We're passionate about ensuring that everyone, regardless of ability, can access and utilize digital products seamlessly.

Our project revolves around enhancing the accessibility of our company's web application, aligning with WCAG 2.1 and 2.2 standards (mostly A and AA, with a few easier AAA). To achieve this, we want to develop both automated and manual testing procedures that thoroughly evaluate accessibility features.

We understand the importance of manual testing in truly empathizing with the needs of users who rely on accessibility features. That's why we're reaching out to this community for guidance and expertise. We're seeking individuals who are well-versed in accessibility standards and experienced in manual testing methodologies and are willing to explain to us some common practices in manual testing.

If you're an accessibility expert who's passionate about making the web more inclusive, we'd love to connect with you! We're particularly interested in having a video call to gain insights into the manual testing process and understand the unique needs of users requiring accessibility features.

If you're interested in collaborating with us or know someone who might be, please reach out to us here or via direct message.

Thanks!

2 Comments
2024/03/30
14:33 UTC

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Mac PowerPoint

Technically not "web" but very similar.

I'm preparing some presentations and it's important for me that I share them in PDF/a format to ensure accessibility by all.

But, it turns out that the Mac version of PowerPoint doesn't seem to be able to do that?

Any idea what my choices are?

0 Comments
2024/02/06
07:46 UTC

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Would anybody be interested in reviewing our website that is designed for blind people to use?

Hi, I'm building a website for listeners of a radio-reading service called Audio Reader of Kansas. We read magazine and local newspapers to those who cannot, and we started recording them and offering them online as an on-demand digital archive. I've designed a website that is extremely minimal and so hopefully very easy for visually impaired users. Keep in mind that most of our listeners are elderly who have lost their sight in old age and likely have not learned to use screen readers.

If anyone would like to look at it for use and report on how accessible it is, that would be really great. The URL is: http://audioreader.net/

We do have a few listeners who are skilled with screen readers and they would be able to review the new website for us too. But I was just wondering if I could get the Reddit hive-mind's opinion before I go to that next step.

Also, I would understand if you refuse to do this because there is no payment involved. I'm not asking for a professional accessibility review, though we may be interested in that in the future.

Thank you!

0 Comments
2024/01/25
18:45 UTC

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End-user script workarounds for these?

I really think the web is dying. I now have a whole bunch of issues to fix:

  1. Discord hiding content from search bots. Kills communities that aren't small and tight in the same timezone.
  2. html5 popups. Especially the ones that interrupt after you've just started reading
  3. When voice input is blocked somehow, like in widgitonline.com
  4. Paywall results in search results.
  5. Forced ads in search results. These should be marked in the results.

I'm using kagi.com to address some of this. Perhaps PERCIVAL perceptual adblocking can fix dark patterns for those who are forced to use these sites.

1 Comment
2023/06/02
11:20 UTC

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Multiple block elements in anchor tag

Hi all! Is it acceptable for an anchor tag to have multiple block-level elements in it?

I'm thinking about how for an assistive technology user (at least with NVDA), each line (with the down/up arrow) would be read out as though it's a link. Example:

<a href="example.com">
    <p>Some text</p> <!-- read out like "link Some text" -->
    <p>Some other text</p> <!-- read out like "link Some other text" -->
</a>

Is this behaviour expected for a screen reader user that each of these lines would be part of the same link?

If there are multiple of these "block link" structures sequentially, how might a user of assistive technologies identify the differences?

Thanks in advance for your help!

0 Comments
2023/06/01
03:25 UTC

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What's your biggest web accessibility pet peeve?

For me, it's businesses who focus on compliance, rather than seeing accessibility as a core part of the user experience. Also, devs who download a screen reader and think that they're getting the same experience as a long-term user.

4 Comments
2023/04/18
19:42 UTC

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Are there digital publishing sites like ISSUU that are screen reader compatible? I'm somewhat new to this, so any insight is greatly appreciated!

Hi, I'm a graphic designer, and the company I work at releases a quarterly publication that we both print out and put on ISSUU. It doesn't look like ISSUU is very accessible, like...at all, though. The pdf is converted into a flipbook, but when it does so it also looks to be converted into flat images with no live text.

I suggested releasing an accessible, screen readable pdf version along with the flipbook, but I was told we'd really like to not lose out on all the metrics that ISSUU provides, if possible. I am having a really difficult time figuring out on my own of there exists a publishing site that:

  1. Retains all the accessible functionality of your pdf (I don't know the right term for this--the things like anchoring images to text and tagging the hierarchy of headings and subheads so that screen readers can still, you know, read it)
  2. Provides you with statistics on things like average read time, impressions, clicks, etc.

I care a lot about pushing for greater accessibility in design, and I have a million questions right now as I try to get my bearings in this particular subject. Anything as simple as good keywords to Google to pointing me in the direction of other resources to teach me about this would be immensely appreciated.

9 Comments
2023/04/05
14:01 UTC

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In browser screen reader demo

Hey all, I working with a college student on a class project to create a web page. One of the things she'd like is a simple in browser screen reader demo. It would be nice if users installed nvda or used voice over, but I know that's a hard sell for people casually browsing. Any ideas or suggestions for something interactive to give sighted users a basic introduction?

1 Comment
2023/04/03
01:50 UTC

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web accessibility questionnaire

hello, if you have a spare minute (really does only take a minute!) could you please take this questionnaire on web accessibility? my boyfriend is about to finish his computer science degree and has made this for his dissertation but we live on a small island and he hasn’t got as many answers as he’d hoped.

for context (you’ll see once you do the questionnaire), we live on the Isle of Man, part of the Channel Islands in the UK and Manx is what we call ourselves and it is also our language.

if you could do this i would really appreciate it and so would he!!

https://forms.gle/uxWSnHt6qtxWjehM8

2 Comments
2023/03/31
22:25 UTC

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Web Accessibility of Fast Fashion Websites - AP Research Study

Hi! I'm doing a study for my AP Research course about the web accessibility of a group of popular fast fashion websites and would really appreciate it if you guys filled out my survey!! The study is only targeted for those who identify themselves with being differently abled (or having a disability). The survey should only take 5-15 minutes and the presentation of my results will be kept anonymous. Also, it is preferable if you could sign your full name for the consent form as I require some type of identification that the participant consents to be in the study. However, no one besides you, me, and my advisor will be seeing the direct responses from the survey. Please let me know if you have any questions. Also, if you could send this to anyone you know with a disability, that would be greatly appreciated!! Thank you so much! 

Link to Survey: https://forms.gle/6raefFzcYjJ19i9F8

0 Comments
2023/03/29
01:08 UTC

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Color contrast checker

Hey all! I think you'll find this website super useful. It lets you check the contrast ratio of text/image and background colors on your website, and make sure it follows WCAG: https://venngage.com/tools/color-contrast-checker

1 Comment
2023/03/20
18:51 UTC

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How to test student work for accessibility?

I teach a class in web development. I’m teaching a section on web accessibility. I‘m looking for some tests my students can perform to to test their web sites for accessibility compliance.

I also need an easy way for me to me to evaluate the work.

I found more than a few websites that test but these all require logins, cost, and generally are a barrier for students.

9 Comments
2023/03/20
17:59 UTC

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Any interest in starting a community discord server for A11y devs?

Kinda shocked not finding a single developer community discord server for A11y... is this something others here might be interested in starting?

3 Comments
2023/03/03
02:45 UTC

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Accessible month/grid calendars

I'm trying to gain a better understanding of how those who use screen readers would prefer to experience a traditional grid based month calendar. I've tried googling and searching various forums, but haven't found much and what I have found has been mostly focused on date pickers. I'm talking about simply a month calendar that has events that can be clicked on for more information.

I guess the first question and the most naive... do those who are completely dependent on screen readers want to use a grid based calendar, or is that a lot of noise and they'd prefer to bypass such a view and just have a simple list of events happening during the month?

If they do want to use a grid calendar... is there a preference of using tables vs not? My inclination was that tables were not ideal because there's a lot of announcements about columns and what not, on the other hand perhaps the table structure is helpful for AT? I guess I was thinking it would be more helpful to be like:

"Second week of March. March 5th through 11th. Sunday, March 5th. No events. Monday, March 6th. No events. Tuesday, March 7th, 2 events. List with 2 items link, Taco Conference, Tuesday, March 7 2023, 9am to 5pm. Link: Dentist Appointment. Tuesday, March 7 2023, 12pm to 1pm EST. Out of list. Wednesday, March 8th. No events.".... and so on.

3 Comments
2023/03/01
18:20 UTC

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Site to check color blind accessibility

Wanted to share this because I think it's super useful for those of us working on web accessibility.

Found this website that allows you to grab your site's link, drop it and show you how it looks for different types of color blindness: https://venngage.com/tools/color-blind-simulator

Hope it's helpful!

1 Comment
2023/02/24
14:45 UTC

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Skip To Main Content For Low Vision And Keyboard Users?

The least popular way to add a skip to main content link on a page is to have it showing all the time. Is there a study that shows how many low vision or keyboard users even know about the “skip to main content” link? I feel like it would be the preferred method if people actually knew about it because there are more low vision users and keyboard users than blind users.

1 Comment
2023/01/31
23:38 UTC

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Help with A11Y for CHina

Hey all,

I'm a tester that has checked A11Y for Europe, USA, etc. (WCAG, ADA...). Recently It came into my hands a proposal that' included China in it as a major user for the client.

With this, I'm encountering some challenges, so if anyone has already done something like this, I could really use some type of guidance:

QUESTIONS

  • It seems the law passed in 1990 applies to the public and private sector but is just a recommendation. Am I right?
  • From what I checked in W3C WAI https://www.w3.org/WAI/policies/china the recommended technical requirements documents are mostly broken, or I can see only a part of it. However, it seems they stipulate the WCAG 2.0 as standard. Can anyone confirm this, and if so, which standard (A,AA)?
  • The last doubt I have is about language, as it uses Chinese characters. If the website is programmed with Aria Live, can I check in English the meaning of the electronic texts and labels and be sure it will be automatically translated to Chinese? Or if there's a way to develop correct labels/texts and automatically translate them to Chinese, even if you test them in English? For now, I've only done a11y testing in languages I use and with no Cyrillic/Chinese characters so not sure how to approach this.

Thank you sou much in advance _;)

1 Comment
2023/01/14
12:37 UTC

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Accessible error messages

Hello!

I know there is a built-in error message handling for form fields, with the ability to use customized messages using setCustomValidity, but they cannot be styled and that is almost always a no-no from clients who want custom styled errors instead.

I have no idea how accessible it can be to simply show an error message in an element immediately after the form field.

Is the <output> element an accessible way of providing error messages? MDN says it has the aria-live modifier and it can be tied to a field with the for="" attribute just like a <label>.

<label for="password">Password</label>
<input type="password" name="password" id="password" />
<output for="password"></output>
7 Comments
2022/12/12
17:15 UTC

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Fed up with Orca and ChromeVox...

They all just say their own thing and totally disrespect anything I've written, where's my aria-errormessage?... sometimes it won't even say aria-describedby... orca sometimes will skip entire focused fields, read stuff twice, sometimes all of them, will read text only halfway, but then I use firefox and it all changes, and it's different mistakes this time.

Inspecting elements shows that all the attributes are set correctly.

None of them even respect lang, and yes, I have content in different languages.

Do I need to make my own screen reader in app too?... Does someone know if screen readers such as NVDA which I have no idea how to get working within linux actually respect the aria standard?...

I honestly feel at this point that having an own screen reader within the app will yield much better results.

4 Comments
2022/11/30
17:27 UTC

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