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We got the corruption related petition approved with some slight wording adjustments. Will you sign it?

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/635057

Petition wording:

Hold an inquiry into lobbying practices in the UK

We want the Government to hold an inquiry into lobbying practices in the UK, including those that involve the giving of a financial or other advantage in order to try to influence the Government or Parliament, and the impact this has on policy.

I care about the integrity of UK democracy and believe lobbying is inconsistent with the principle of one person, one vote, by enabling a 'pay to win' system.

Some lobbying activities appear to involve the exchange of a financial or other advantage for influence, which gives wealthy individuals the opportunity to undermine democracy and the will of the people.

The wording had to be altered slightly to "ensure your petition meets our standards" according to the petitions committee.

They also advised altering it to call an inquiry as a debate happens automatically at 100,000 signatures, which I accepted. There'll still be a debate if we get to 100,000 signatures and if they write to me for more information (they said they might, we'll see), I'll be recommending an independent inquiry with multiple agencies collaborating including the The Electoral Commission and the National Crime Agency.

Original wording:

Call for a debate in Parliament about Lobbying practices in the UK

Parliament should debate issues such as APPGs, the influence of lobbying on policy, and how lobbying can often involve the giving of a financial or other advantage with the intention of causing the improper performance of a relevant function of government or parliament.

I care about the integrity of UK democracy and believe lobbying violates the principle of one person, one vote, by creating a pay to win system. The types of lobbying activities involving the exchange of money for influence allow wealthy individuals to undermine democracy and the will of the people.

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2023/05/06
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Fuck royal families

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2023/04/13
13:21 UTC

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mathematics ends in contradiction

mathematics ends in contradiction

gives us your genuine rebuttles

start with

maths says 1+1=2

but 1 number (10) + 1 number (30 = 1 number (40)

thus

1 number + 1 number = 1 number

ie

1+1=1

and

1 heap +1 heap = 1 heap

thus 1+1=1

so we have

1+1=2 (A)

and

1 +1= 1 (not A )(not 2)

thus

1+1= A AND not A

that violates the law of non-contradiction

¬(p ∧ ¬p)

thus

mathematics is irrational inconsistent ends in meaninglessness

in mathematics you can prove ANYTHING

thus

the ends of mathematics-mathematics is at an end

AND try this

when mathematicians say

1=0.999.. and not see the contradiction

but 1 is a whole number and 0.9999.. does not stop thus not a whole number

thus 1 is both a whole number AND not a whole number

that violates the law of non-contradiction

¬(p ∧ ¬p)

thus maths ends in contradiction

you are suffering from doublethink

and

when mathematicians say

in front of them is drawn

A 1 unit by 1 unit √2 triangle

and

on the one hand they say in front of them is an exact √2 drawn hypotenuse-call that A

and

on the other hand they admit √2 cant be drawn exactly because it has no last digit- call that not A

so

they simultaneously accept two mutually contradictory beliefs A and not A as correct

that violates the law of non-contradiction

¬(p ∧ ¬p)

thus

mathematics is irrational inconsistent ends in meaninglessness

in mathematics you can prove ANYTHING

thus

the ends of mathematics-mathematics is at an end

maths ends in contradiction

thus

mathematicians double think

see

The age of the enlightenment is at an end: reason is bankrupt

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/The-age-of-the-enlightenment-is-at-an-end.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/552377365/The-Age-of-the-Enlightenment-is-at-an-end-reason-is-bankrupt

All things are possible

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/All-things-are-possible.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/324037705/All-Things-Are-Possible-philosophy

Mathematics ends in contradiction:6 proofs

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/MATHEMATICS.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/40697621/Mathematics-Ends-in-Meaninglessness-ie-self-contradiction

THE END OF MATHEMATICS

THE END OF HISTORY Magister colin leslie dean

The end of history because-EVERYTHING ends in nonsense rubbish

https://www.scribd.com/document/605875005/THE-END-OF-HISTORY

or

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/THE-END-OF-HISTORY-Magister-colin-leslie-dean.pdf

The greatest scholar of our time

Magister colin leslie dean the only modern Renaissance man with 9 degrees including 4 masters: B,Sc, BA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, MA (Psychoanalytic studies), Master of Psychoanalytic studies, Grad Cert (Literary studies)

He is Australia's leading erotic poet: poetry is for free in pdf

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/book-genre/poetry/ or

https://www.scribd.com/document/35520015/List-of-FREE-Erotic-Poetry-Books-by-Gamahucher-Press

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2023/01/12
20:57 UTC

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Public Reactions to Climate Change and Protesting UK Research *participants needed!!*

Hi everyone!

https://durhampsychology.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_25JDEBDtHBUSWIS?Source=Reddit

We are Durham University Psychology students researching how the general public feels about environmental issues and the actions people take to combat climate change collectively. We would strongly appreciate your participation if you are aged 18 or above and are (ever were) a UK resident!

The questionnaire only takes 10-15 mins, data collection is anonymous, and you will have a chance to participate in a prize draw and win one of five £20 vouchers!"

Thanks xx

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2023/01/09
23:08 UTC

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THE END OF HISTORY

THE END OF HISTORY Magister colin leslie dean

The end of history because-EVERYTHING ends in nonsense rubbish

All products of human thought end in meaninglessness-even Zen nihilism absurdism existentialism all philosophy post-modernism Post-Postmodernism critical theory etc mathematics science etc

a theory of everything

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/A-Theory-of-Everything.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/455372682/A-Theory-of-Everything

All products of human thought end in meaninglessness-even Zen nihilism absurdism existentialism all philosophy post-modernism Post-Postmodernism critical theory etc mathematics science etc

All things are possible

With maths being inconsistent you can prove anything in maths ie you can prove Fermat’s last theorem and you can disprove Fermat’s last theorem

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/All-things-are-possible.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/324037705/All-Things-Are-Possible-philosophy

Mathematics ends in contradiction:6 proofs

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/MATHEMATICS.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/40697621/Mathematics-Ends-in-Meaninglessness-ie-self-contradiction

Scientific reality is textual

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/Scientific-reality-is-textual.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/572639157/Scientific-Reality-is-Textual

The-Anthropology-of-science

(science is a mythology)

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/The-Anthropology-of-science.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/512683685/Prolegomenon-to-The-Anthropology-of-Science

Prolegomenon to undermining the foundations/fundamentals of science

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/undermining-the-foundations-of-science.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/591616840/Prolegomenon-to-Undermining-the-Foundations-of-Science

The age of the enlightenment is at an end: reason is bankrupt

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/The-age-of-the-enlightenment-is-at-an-end.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/552377365/The-Age-of-the-Enlightenment-is-at-an-end-reason-is-bankrupt

Godels theorems 1 & 2 to be invalid:end in meaninglessness

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/A-Theory-of-Everything.pdf

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/GODEL5.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/32970323/Godels-incompleteness-theorem-invalid-illegitimate

from

http://pricegems.com/articles/Dean-Godel.html

"Mr. Dean complains that Gödel "cannot tell us what makes a mathematical statement true", but Gödel's Incompleteness theorems make no attempt to do this"

Godels 1st theorem

“....., there is an arithmetical statement that is true,[1] but not provable in the theory (Kleene 1967, p. 250

Godel cant tell us what makes a mathematical statement true,

thus his theorem is meaningless

in the statement

"there is an arithmetical statement that is true,[1] but not provable in the theory"

godel cant tell us what the word "true" means

thus

the word "true" is meaningless

thus

the statement

"there is an arithmetical statement that is true,[1] but not provable in the theory"

is meaningless

thus

thus godels 1st theorem is meaningless

checkmate game over

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth#Mathematics

Gödel thought that the ability to perceive the truth of a mathematical or logical proposition is a matter of intuition, an ability he admitted could be ultimately beyond the scope of a formal theory of logic or mathematics[63][64] and perhaps best considered in the realm of human comprehension and communication, but commented: Ravitch, Harold (1998). "On Gödel's Philosophy of Mathematics".,Solomon, Martin (1998). "On Kurt Gödel's Philosophy of Mathematics"

thus by not telling us what makes a maths statement true Godels 1st theorem is meaningless

Magister colin leslie dean the only modern Renaissance man with 9 degrees including 4 masters: B,Sc, BA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, MA (Psychoanalytic studies), Master of Psychoanalytic studies, Grad Cert (Literary studies)

He is Australia's leading erotic poet: poetry is for free in pdf

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/book-genre/poetry/ or

https://www.scribd.com/document/35520015/List-of-FREE-Erotic-Poetry-Books-by-Gamahucher-Press

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2022/11/07
04:40 UTC

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2022/10/20
01:17 UTC

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Godels 1st and 2nd theorems shown to end in meaninglessness

Magister colin leslie dean the only modern Renaissance man with 9 degrees including 4 masters: B,Sc, BA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, MA (Psychoanalytic studies), Master of Psychoanalytic studies, Grad Cert (Literary studies)

He is Australia's leading erotic poet: poetry is for free in pdf

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/book-genre/poetry/

Godels theorems 1 & 2 to be invalid:end in meaninglessness

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/A-Theory-of-Everything.pdf

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/GODEL5.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/32970323/Godels-incompleteness-theorem-invalid-illegitimate

Penrose could not even see Godels theorems end in meaninglessness

Dean shows Godels 1st and 2nd theorems shown to end in meaninglessness

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/GODEL5.pdf

Godels 1st theorem

“Any effectively generated theory capable of expressing elementary arithmetic cannot be both consistent and complete. In particular, for any consistent, effectively generated formal theory that proves certain basic arithmetic truths, there is an arithmetical statement that is true,[1] but not provable in the theory (Kleene 1967, p. 250)

but

Godel cant tell us what makes a mathematical statement true,

thus his theorem is meaningless

even Cambridge expert on Godel Peter Smith admits "Gödel didn't rely on the notion of truth"

checkmate game over

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth#Mathematics

Gödel thought that the ability to perceive the truth of a mathematical or logical proposition is a matter of intuition, an ability he admitted could be ultimately beyond the scope of a formal theory of logic or mathematics[63][64] and perhaps best considered in the realm of human comprehension and communication, but commented: Ravitch, Harold (1998). "On Gödel's Philosophy of Mathematics".,Solomon, Martin (1998). "On Kurt Gödel's Philosophy of Mathematics"

thus by not telling us what makes a maths statement true Godels 1st theorem is meaningless

so much for separating truth from proof

and for some relish

Godel uses his G statement to prove his theorem but Godels sentence G is outlawed by the very axiom of the system he uses to prove his theorem ie the axiom of reducibility -thus his proof is invalid,

Godels 2nd theorem

Godels second theorem ends in paradox– impredicative The theorem in a rephrasing reads

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GC3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems#Proof_sketch_for_the_second_theorem

"The following rephrasing of the second theorem is even more unsettling to the foundations of mathematics: If an axiomatic system can be proven to be consistent and complete from within itself, then it is inconsistent.”

or again

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GC3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems

"The second incompleteness theorem, an extension of the first, shows that the system cannot demonstrate its own consistency."

But here is a contradiction Godel must prove that a system c a n n o t b e proven to be consistent based upon the premise that the logic he uses must be consistent . If the logic he uses is not consistent then he cannot make a proof that is consistent. So he must assume thathis logic is consistent so he can make a proof of the impossibility of proving a system to be consistent. But if his proof is true then he has proved that the logic he uses to make the proof must be consistent, but his proof proves that this cannot be done

note if Godels system is inconsistent then it can demonstrate its consistency and inconsistency

but Godels theorem does not say that

it says "...the system cannot demonstrate its own consistency"

thus as said above

"But here is a contradiction Godel must prove that a system c a n n o t b e proven to be consistent based upon the premise that the logic he uses must be consistent"

But if his proof is true then he has proved that the logic he uses to make the proof must be consistent, but his proof proves that this cannot be done

1st theorem

“.... there is an arithmetical statement that is true,[1] but not provable in the theory (Kleene 1967, p. 250)

Godel cant tell us what makes a maths statement true thus this statement ".... there is an arithmetical statement that is true" is meaningless

thus his 1st theorem is meaningless

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2022/10/20
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Prolegomenon to undermining the foundations/fundamentals of science

Prolegomenon to undermining the foundations/fundamentals of science

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/undermining-the-foundations-of-science.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/591616840/Prolegomenon-to-Undermining-the-Foundations-of-Science

The greatest scholar of our time Magister colin leslie dean

Magister colin leslie dean the only modern Renaissance man with 9 degrees including 4 masters: B,Sc, BA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, MA (Psychoanalytic studies), Master of Psychoanalytic studies, Grad Cert (Literary studies)

"[Deans] philosophy is the sickest, most paralyzing and most destructive thing that has ever originated from the brain of man."

"[Dean] lay waste to everything in its path... [It is ] a systematic work of destruction and demoralization... In the end it became nothing but an act of sacrilege.

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2022/09/04
05:53 UTC

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The age of the enlightenment is at an end: reason is bankrupt

The age of the enlightenment is at an end: reason is bankrupt

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/The-age-of-the-enlightenment-is-at-an-end.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/552377365/The-Age-of-the-Enlightenment-is-at-an-end-reason-is-bankrupt

The greatest scholar of our time Magister colin leslie dean

Magister colin leslie dean the only modern Renaissance man with 9 degrees including 4 masters: B,Sc, BA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, MA (Psychoanalytic studies), Master of Psychoanalytic studies, Grad Cert (Literary studies)

"[Deans] philosophy is the sickest, most paralyzing and most destructive thing that has ever originated from the brain of man."

"[Dean] lay waste to everything in its path... [It is ] a systematic work of destruction and demoralization... In the end it became nothing but an act of sacrilege."

All products of human thought end in meaninglessness-even Zen nihilism absurdism existentialism all philosophy post-modernism Post-Postmodernism critical theory etc mathematics science etc

Magister colin leslie dean the only modern Renaissance man with 9 degrees including 4 masters: B,Sc, BA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, MA (Psychoanalytic studies), Master of Psychoanalytic studies, Grad Cert (Literary studies)

He is Australia's leading erotic poet: poetry is for free in pdf

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/book-genre/poetry/

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2022/08/23
00:38 UTC

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Science is a mythology

Science is a mythology

it is said

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

The scientific method soon played a greater role in knowledge creation and it was not until the 19th century that many of the institutional and professional features of science began to take shape

and

those disciplines that dont use the scientific method are pseudoscience

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience

Pseudoscience consists of statements, beliefs, or practices that claim to be both scientific and factual but are incompatible with the scientific method

but shock horror

the scientific method is a myth

The greatest scholar of our time Magister colin leslie dean

Magister colin leslie dean the only modern Renaissance man with 9 degrees including 4 masters: B,Sc, BA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, MA (Psychoanalytic studies), Master of Psychoanalytic studies, Grad Cert (Literary studies)

He is Australia's leading erotic poet: poetry is for free in pdf

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/book-genre/poetry/

fact is

the scientific method is a myth

just follow the links from google

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=scientific+method+a+myth

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11191-014-9704-z

"The Scientific Method” as it has been portrayed in popular and introductory contexts has been declared a myth. The variation that one finds in introductory presentations of “The Scientific Method” is explained by the fact that there is no canonical account among historians and philosophers of science"

The-Anthropology-of-science

(science is a mythology)

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/The-Anthropology-of-science.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/512683685/Prolegomenon-to-The-Anthropology-of-Science

Scientific reality is textual

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/Scientific-reality-is-textual.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/572639157/Scientific-Reality-is-Textual

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2022/08/18
21:53 UTC

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the summation of 9 degrees including 4 masters

the summation of 9 degrees including 4 masters

The greatest scholar of our time Magister colin leslie dean

Magister colin leslie dean the only modern Renaissance man with 9 degrees including 4 masters: B,Sc, BA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, MA (Psychoanalytic studies), Master of Psychoanalytic studies, Grad Cert (Literary studies)

He is Australia's leading erotic poet: poetry is for free in pdf

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/book-genre/poetry/

a theory of everything

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/A-Theory-of-Everything.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/455372682/A-Theory-of-Everything

All products of human thought end in meaninglessness-even Zen nihilism absurdism existentialism all philosophy post-modernism Post-Postmodernism critical theory etc mathematics science etc

And perhaps

Prolegomenon to Beyond the Boundary of Reality

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/Prolegomenon-to-beyond-the-boundary-of-reality.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/585140550/Prolegomenon-to-Beyond-the-Boundary-of-Reality

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2022/08/17
22:42 UTC

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There are various crises that England is facing currently. UK has completely changed in 5 years especially after the onset of Cov. There is Refugee crises, cost of living crises & climate justice crises. What is the social issue that UK has been facing or struggling with & need immediate action?

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2022/03/30
15:57 UTC

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Mathematicians Double Think

Magister colin leslie dean points out

Mathematicians Double Think

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink

Doublethink is a process of indoctrination whereby the subject is expected to simultaneously accept two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in contravention to one's own memories or sense of reality.

you know 0.9999... is a infinite decimal thus non-integer by notation

you know 1 is an integer

yet you also believe

you say

1=0.9999...

without contradiction

because now you say

0.999... is now an integer

here is the double think

1 integer = 0.9999... non-integer infinite decimal

ie

an integer is /=a non-integer

which is a contradiction in terms -which your double thinks does not see

thus

maths ends in contradiction

MATHEMATICS ENDS IN MEANINGLESSNESS

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/MATHEMATICS.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/40697621/Mathematics-Ends-in-Meaninglessness-ie-self-contradiction

"It becomes a mystery-that needs to be solved- as to why maths works in the practical world when it ends in meaninglessness ie self-contradiction"

Magister colin leslie dean the only modern Renaissance man with 9 degrees including 4 masters: B,Sc, BA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, MA (Psychoanalytic studies), Master of Psychoanalytic studies, Grad Cert (Literary studies)

He is Australia's leading erotic poet: poetry is for free in pdf

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/book-genre/poetry/

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2021/12/13
00:10 UTC

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A Prolegomenon to a Grand Unified Theory

A Prolegomenon to a Grand Unified Theory

Magister colin leslie dean the only modern Renaissance man with 9 degrees including 4 masters: B,Sc, BA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, MA (Psychoanalytic studies), Master of Psychoanalytic studies, Grad Cert (Literary studies)

He is Australia's leading erotic poet: poetry is for free in pdf

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/book-genre/poetry/

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/Prolegomenon.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/508721702/Prolegomenon-to-a-Grand-Unified-Theory

0 Comments
2021/11/14
20:57 UTC

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Prolegomenon to The Anthropology of Science

Prolegomenon to The Anthropology of Science

Magister colin leslie dean the only modern Renaissance man with 9 degrees including 4 masters: B,Sc, BA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, B.Litt(Hons), MA, MA (Psychoanalytic studies), Master of Psychoanalytic studies, Grad Cert (Literary studies)

He is Australia's leading erotic poet: poetry is for free in pdf

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/book-genre/poetry/

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/The-Anthropology-of-science.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/512683685/Prolegomenon-to-The-Anthropology-of-Science

Whether one looks at archaic monkey-man or modern monkey-man the anthologist sees the same phenomena/archetype

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2021/11/13
21:45 UTC

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More than 100 world leaders have promised to end and reverse deforestation by 2030, in the COP26 climate summit's first major deal. Brazil - where stretches of the Amazon rainforest have been cut down - was among the signatories on Tuesday. What do you think of this target? Is it achievable?

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who is hosting the global meeting in Glasgow, said "more leaders than ever before" - a total of 110 - had made the "landmark" commitment. "We have to stop the devastating loss of our forests," he said - and "end the role of humanity as nature's conqueror, and instead become nature's custodian". The two-week summit in Glasgow is seen as crucial if climate change is to be brought under control.

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2021/11/02
12:42 UTC

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andre

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2021/10/02
12:37 UTC

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Debunk This: ''95% of the ocean is explored, so you can't say that dragons don't exist!''

Hi everyone! I'm a 17 year old girl interested in biology and also consider myself a skeptic.

A couple of weeks ago, while browsing a biology thread on another website, I saw someone claiming to be brothers, posting to several social media websites. They said that they've seen 'Sea serpents' swimming in San Francisco Bay several times. They were adamant the animal they saw was a reptile and not an oarfish, and they stated they believe that dragons exist.

By ''dragons'', these people (often creationists) are referring to sea serpents. No, not sea-snakes, they're referring to the mythological, vertically-undulating dragons that live in the sea. Usually said to be anywhere from 100 feet long to 500 feet in length, and always described as reptiles.

When I ask why there's no photos, DNA, etc. these are some of their counterpoints;

  1. ''Sea serpents are very rare, that's why there's no evidence.''

  2. ''Sea serpents live on the ocean floor, which is unexplored.''

  3. ''The giant squid and gorilla used to be considered mythical as well'' (not sure how true this is.)

  4. ''There's been thousands of historical sightings of sea serpents, including one in 1962 where 4 boys were attacked and killed by one in twenty feet deep water, with land in sight!'' (I Googled this and yes, turns out there was a news story where 5 people went spearfishing, then a boy, Brian McCleary, 16, came back alone. He said that a sea serpent ate the other 4 and drew some Loch Ness Monster looking thingy.)

I am wondering what you think of these points, as sea serpents are a common subject in creationism, cryptozoology and other pseudoscience's. If dragons exist, and come close to the coasts where water is very shallow, such as Pensacola coast and SF bay, like these people are claiming, would we have evidence of them by now?

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2021/05/30
19:10 UTC

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'Common sense' is a misnomer

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2021/05/10
06:47 UTC

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David Cameron and the Greensill scandal is just the tip of the iceberg

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2021/04/19
17:11 UTC

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