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Are there any instances when you don’t have to do a 403 balancing test?
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I am a rising 3L at a low ranked law school in the NYC Metro area. I primarily chose this School so I could live with my parents. I probably will stay at home after graduation as well to save money, I live a 40 minute train ride away from midtown Manhattan.
At this point I'm starting to stress about finding a job post-grad after getting an email about 3L OCI. Biglaw was always my dream but that ship has sailed. I'm looking for advice as I try to navigate through this process given where I'm at now.
At this point I am currently around the Top 25% of my class and on a Journal at my school. I was about top 36% after 1L, but last semester did much better and manages get my rank up a bit. I have a decent amount of experience at this point. I interned for a State Court Judge during my 1L Summer, and spent the entire academic year working at a local commercial real estate law firm. This semester I also have been fortunate enough to have the chance to intern for a Federal Magistrate Judge. This summer I plan to stay with the same firm I have been working at all year. Im in the business law concentration at my school and my primary areas of interest are real estate, tax, and corporate. Im mainly looking for any tips//advice on how to try and find a job in those practice areas in NYC. Full time gigs at local firms where I live do not pay great, and I do have a small bit of debt I'd like to pay off as quick as possible.
I know Biglaw is out of reach for me, but I am rather unfamiliar with any mid-size lawfirms that practice in my areas of interest. I have also looked into tax positions at the Big 4, but I have concerns about not practicing law. Any advice would be appreciated, Thanks!
My wife just got accepted into MH Blended Online program with 60% scholarship. She applied to other 4 ABA approved online programs, this is the first A. We are from Texas, so she was wondering if anyone had any experience with MH Online law program? TIA
Hi everyone. I thought I would share with you all my journey through the legal industry. Hopefully you get something out of it!
The early days
I decided that I wanted to be a lawyer when I was in high school. Unfortunately for me, I went to a high school which (at the time) had poor credentials and I had no connections (whatsoever) to anyone in the legal industry.
I knew early on that, in an industry rife with nepotism and the status that elite schooling brings to career prospects, I was low on the ladder of desirable graduate candidates. But I am a big believer in self-belief. Because of this, I ignored those niggling obstacles to a successful start to my legal career and pushed on.
Studying at University
After one semester at the Queensland University of Technology Law School, I enrolled in a double degree with business (majoring in accounting). I had no interest in accounting per se, but during a lecture one of my law professors urged students to take up a second degree and hinted that accounting would be a good tag along to law. Not one to argue with someone who clearly has a significant leg up on life experience, I took his advice.
In my second year of University, I knew that I had to get serious about work experience and anything else I could get my hands on to make up for the shortcomings in my lack of elite schooling and connections. What’s more, I had been a cleaner for several years by that point (yes, literally cleaning toilets) and was tired of hearing about other students’ glamorous internships.
Studying gives way to work experience
I applied for countless paid legal placements - and received just as many rejections. Finally, I decided to apply for positions where competition was low and I could just get my foot in the door. I signed up to a labour hire company that provided ad hoc secretarial and administrative staff to law firms. I was warned that they would struggle to find me a role, given my cleaning experience bore no relevance to office work.
I got a break. On my second day working in barristers’ chambers in Brisbane, a legal secretary on the same floor resigned and I was offered her full-time role looking after five barristers. Knowing that I still had to juggle full-time studies, I pushed that issue aside and happily accepted the position.
After six months I decided it was time to try and move to a law firm, so that I could have a shot at a coveted law graduate role. I moved to Mullins Lawyers, working as a legal assistant in their insurance department four days per week. On the fifth day, I undertook unpaid work experience with Prisoners’ Legal Service.
I juggled full-time University and full-time work for the majority of my double-degree. It was tough to say the least.
Later, another break and, surprisingly, off the back of my accounting degree (which was still progressing), I got an internship with KPMG in their private enterprise department. I was offered a full-time role for the remainder of my studies, as well as a graduate position. But I still had the yearning to be a lawyer and knew that my personality and interests better suited the legal profession. I declined the graduate role at KPMG.
After KPMG came McCullough Robertson Lawyers. After McCullough Robertson Lawyers, I worked at Hall Payne Lawyers in their employment and industrial relations team as a temporary legal secretary. I was offered a law graduate role as my graduation from my law degree approached. But by that time, I had obtained a law graduate role at HWL Ebsworth Lawyers.
Shortly into private practice came my in-house legal career. I was lucky. The role I applied for was pitched as a paralegal role and during the interview, they offered to beef up the role to in-house counsel. Yikes!
The final leg
I have since held two senior legal counsel positions with prominent global companies and now own my own boutique commercial law firm. I still want more and have a constant drive to progress and grow. I’m grateful for my journey so far, and excited about my journey that lies ahead in the legal profession.
If any law student can learn anything from my journey, it should be this; believe in yourself!
I know some of you will tell me to use my own outlines and just to assure you, I will. But it has been recommended to me by a prior law student to get a commercial outline just to help you see the black letter law. So what is better, Gilbert, Emmanuel, Examples & Explanations? Thanks for any help - I start school next Wednesday.
Hey, future lawyers of r/thelawschool!
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Good luck in law school and on the Bar exam when the time comes ⚖️
Which MacBook laptop should I get for law school? MacBook Air? MacBook Pro? How much memory etc? I’m not technologically savvy so I have no clue what specs to looks for in a computer
Interested to hear what law school students think about this. Are you surprised? Does this bother you at all? Essentially, the study found that there is a significant conservative penalty and liberal bonus in law school rankings (the abstract summarizes the research).
I have a friend who's prepping for an LSAT exam and I want to put together a care package for her. If you were a future law student, what would you like to receive?
She's taking the exam from home, so noise cancelling headphones?
Hey there! Could any of you please describe your experience at law school to me? I'm working on a personal proyect and I'm really interested in reading different perspectives. Is it really hard? Did you have no free time? Tons of studying? Please vent and share your experience with me! It would help me a lot, thanks in advance :)
Interesting article regarding the extreme disparity between Howard Law School's overall ranking and their peer ranking.
I have discovered that I occasionally suffer from impostor syndrome. I am currently in my third semester of law school, I am in the top 5% of my class and often feel like I don't deserve it. I patiently wait for the ax to fall and end this journey. I am active in my school and have great relationships with my professors and the administration. I feel like somehow they must have missed something and will one day soon realize that I am not what they are looking for. Law School made me realize what I had been feeling for much of my life had a name. Impostor syndrome, it sounds insidious, like you are a spy or saboteur, impersonating the person who ACTUALLY deserves the seat you are sitting in, and some days that is what it feels like as well. It has applied to my relationships in the past, my experience in undergrad, my marriage, impostor syndrome has been a constant companion of mine for way too long. In talking to friends and colleagues many of them feel the same way. Some people call it survivors guilt. When you look around and everyone around you looks like they are working harder than you are, and you watch those people fall by the wayside, and you truly honestly wonder why it wasn't you to fall. When you look around and everyone around you deserves to be here more than you do, and you watch those people walk out the door and truly honestly wonder why it wasn't you that failed. That is impostor syndrome. It has a name, it doesn't have to control you.
“The goal is not to never feel like an impostor. The goal for me is to give [people] the tools and the insight and information to talk themselves down faster,” she says. “They can still have an impostor moment, but not an impostor life.” - Valerie Young
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Good morning everyone,
Before start, I introduce myself, I am a 25 single mom [With an amazing boyfriend who helps me and he is present in my son's life but he lives 4 hours from us] of a 6 years old boy and I'm in Law school since one year for a career change. Also, I'm sorry for my english or mistakes I will make, I'm not an english native speaker.
I'm here to ask some questions about law school in the States. I already talked about it with my boyfriend, who explained to mea little how it works. But I would like again to have a global view on the course of law school and compare it to France. Also I would like have your feelings about your study.
If someone here is in law school in career change, tell me because I'm too. I started law school last September, it's pretty hard and sometimes my motivation completely goes out despite of my "love" of law and my desire to work there, and then it comes back and then it goes out etc... Sometimes I wonder if it can be possible, if I will be able to success my career change, it can seems to me completely out of reach but I really want succeed.
So, what exactly is the process in the United States to become a lawyer ? How long it takes ? What about the process for being a corporate outside counsel ? (I think COC is the good word but I'm not sure because I can't find the equivalent terms for legal professions for USA / France law professions. Except lawyer).
I wonder if, as in French, Law school is a selective pathways, example : for being a juriste here (corporate outside counsel) we need to do 3 years of Licence and then 2 years of Master but Master in France is selective (even more from this year), places are limited.
And what about repeat a year ? Is it common in Law school ? (I don't think - even in general in the USA, but tell me if I'm wrong) It is VERY common in France, actually even in middle school, high school and college. For example, only 27% of students have their license in 3 years. Only 40% pass in second year on the first try. What about the bar exam ? Pretty hard, long and selective in France.
How do you manage your stress and lack of motivation that you may feel ? I try to manage it at well as possible but it can be hard to do.
Thank you
If someone is curious about processus in France, ask me, I would be happy to explain it to you.
I am a law student of india and I want to study law of contracts and the Constitution of india with someone if anyone is interested ping me up
I am working my butt off trying to get into law school i had a 3.8 gpa and this semester in getting my first c. I know ill still be over the 3.5 but cant get over the feeling that i am losing my chances... dramatic or realistic?
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Hey all,
I apologize but I have not been to school in 2 years so I'm not sure how financial aid process work anymore. But so far for the school I intend to enroll (BC Law), I have only received a letter for their merit award but have not received any information regard Stafford loan. Does anybody know when do law schools usually tell us about stafford eligibility or include it in the final award package?
I’m trying to get past this paywall and I’ve tried all the tricks-- incognito, ad block, etc. Nothing is working! The subscription fee costs $325 for the year and that, unfortunately, is wayyy out of budget for me. I saw online that Chicago law students get access for free. I'm wondering if any kind souls wouldn't mind sharing their login with me, or helping me log in another way. Grateful for any help!
With Christmas coming up I'm looking to make some side money to help get some nicer gifts. When I started school I had to quit my old job because the hours were not flexible enough to work with my schedule, and now in the middle of my 1L year I don't want to go back to full time. Any ideas on some side things to pull in that last little bit of extra cash?
Hello! I was fortunate enough to have two callbacks with BigLaw firms in my area. The callbacks were about three weeks ago, and I haven't heard anything. I have heard that some other people at my School have gotten rejections or offers, but I have gotten neither. Should I reach out to these firms to let them know I am still interested? If so, what do I say that does not sound pushy?
I don't have the bluebook, and my library isn't accessible at the moment. So I'm turning to Reddit for the answers, as always. How do you cite cases that are certified for publication, but not published yet?
For what it's worth, I'm not a law student. I'm taking a law class related to my discipline.
I am a 1L law student. I don't understand what kind of citations should I be using for the application portion of my discussion in a memo.
If I cited all the legal ideas I would be using for the memo in the explanation of the rule portion should I still use citations when I am applying the law to the facts of the present case?