https://www.africaintelligence.com/central-africa/2024/11/13/touadera-switches-allegiance-in-sudan-civil-war

Hey friends!

I’m looking to learn Sudani Arabic with native speakers! I recently befriended a Sudani and learning more about the dialect has made me fall in love with it. I’ve learned a little of other dialects at varying degrees but realized I don’t know anything about the Sudani Arabic dialects. I hate that it’s often overlooked in the language learning community. So if anyone is interested in a little bit of language exchange, I can help you out with English and Spanish (fluent in both), and a bit of Portuguese and French too (to a lesser extent).

Would love to just chat, learn some everyday Sudani expressions and maybe make some friends along the way.

Also, sorry if these kind of posts aren’t accepted here. Just thought I’d give it a shot!

What's the general opinion of the Sudanese people about Iran and Sudan becoming closer?how do they feel about it?

Just curious

Disclaimer: You don't have to agree with me at all, frankly, I couldn't care any less. You are not forced to take whatever I say as genuine truth or anything. Im just a random Dinka guy who was really interested to try and learn about the history of his people. This is for the Sudanese (north & south) and anyone else who is interested in our origins/history and anybody else (africans obv, lol) who can relate to wanting to learn more about their own history but is working from limited resources. 

here you can access all the pictures and maps I wanted to add to this post but I couldn't: https://anthropologyafrica.blogspot.com/2024/11/are-dinka-nubians-origins-of-dinka.html

Ngl I've talked with ppl about the origins of Dinka and nilotes for a while now, and although I don't think we have all the answers, I do think I came across enough things that Dinka people, nilotic people,  and anyone interested in outr history could make good use of. It seems to me the especially in the last few years with the popularity of anti afrocentric sentiments going on the rise, any acknowledgement of nilote history that has to do w nubia especially has been always dismissed as "afrocentric" ideology and just wishful thinking. Especially with Somali nationalist movements as well people want to associate the history of sudan with "Cushitic people" who are "less african" in some ways and I notice this view take popularity w northern sudanese people who see south sudanese who want to connect with northern history as hoteps and are looking for a away to delegitimize or downplay and real connections with south Sudanese. Hence why, a lot claims about dinka living in northern Sudan, particularly the gezira for example, people like to bruh the topic off as "oral tradition" that is unreliable, yet they haven't actually read up on it to know how reliable they are in the 1st place, or to see that it actually in only based on oral tradition. So I'll break this comment down to a few sections. First the origins and migration history of the Nilotes and especially the Dinka, then 2nd will be cultural influences that Dinkas had specifically with the Nile Valley kingdoms (especially Alodia since it is the best documented) and also historical records. 

Here’s also a blog post I made explaing dinka history in general if your interested.  https://anthropologyafrica.blogspot.com/2024/01/a-concise-history-of-dinka_18.html

Migration history: 

• Historical Linguistics 

Okay so to start this off we gotta take this to the basic levels, most people who ever talk about “migrations” of certain tribes and ethnic groups, if you ever want to verify or see the validity of what it is that they are saying, you must understand these basic concepts which are historical linguistics, and basically populations genetics. And the reason why is because using these things you can see who a groups is related to, track the expansions of their material cultures, and see how old they are, who they have common origins/backgrounds with, and etc… If if was to run a class on basic african history, this would be one of the 1st lessons that id give to people, because without it you end up with hoteps whatever else you call it. Cause people can effectively just make things up and there’s no real way you can verify it. 

Africa as you may know if you are familiar with African history spaces is broken up into a few major language groups (ik there’s more but im talking about the majors). Those language groups are Niger Congo (Bantu, Yoruba, igbo, ubangian, etc), Afro Asiatic Languages (Arabic, Egyptian, berber, Cushitic, Chadic, etc..) and then the one most relavent to this post, Nilo Saharan (Nilotic, Surmic, Nubian, Nara, central sudanic, saharan, Kunama,  etc…). Now I wanna make one thing clear, very clear. All of these languages are basically from green Sahara, the quickest and shortest way for me to describe African prehistory is that all 3 of these languages originated within the green saharan region, the speakers of these languages learned who to food produce (spread of pastoralism and development of agriultrue, etc..) and then when the Sahara dried they just expanded southward into the rest of Africa which was mostly inhabited by hunter gatherers. Think of the Bantu expansion which is the biggest and most famous of these, you can actually see that they were basically just west africans who accumulated a bunch of African hunter gatherers dna. 

(G25 Vahaduo) 

Target: Bantu_S.E.:KSP178

Distance: 4.9615% / 0.04961456

Sources: 5 l Cycles: 2 l Time: 0.011 s

68.0 Yoruba

15.4 Paleo_African(Lateral_Click

11.4 BiorMalual_scaled

5.2 Mbuti

(I used my own dna sample to represent East African ancestry in the Bantu groups which is what “Bior” stands for, and yes, I am dinka is I was a good reference to say the least) “Paleo african click” represents Khoisan like ancestry which is South African hunter gatherer. Mbuti is pygmy, and Yoruba reps west african obv. 

So I say all of this to say is, the story of most of the expansions of major language and people groups is basically expansion over hg areas, and theres obv history of teh groups expanding over each other also which you can really see in Kenyan Archeology which id say arguabley the bet thing to happen for Africa history and anthropology spaces cause Kenya has and had all of teh language groups pus the hg o its really useful to learn about it especially in realtionship to the nilote migrations. 

To focus more on the core topic, in East Africa you have the expansion of 3 main groups, Nilotic, Cushitic, and Bantu. Now nilotic and Cushitic groups and their expansions are pretty much usually associated with pastoralism. While the bantu are more agricultural. So to look at the pastoralist expansions, and to break them down basically. Here’s what you need to know.

Eastern Sudanic:

Nilotic languages are a sub branch of the eastern sudanic family and these languages dat back a while while, som differ in their proposal of what time the languages date back to, but one important factor is that we know from studying the languages that eastern sudanic speaker speak, we know they had cattle and were likely pastoralist. 

Cushitic: 

Cushitic languages are a sub branch of afro asiactic languages and from what ik, we also can tell that the Cushitic groups were also pastoralist. 

The thing that makes studying these linguistic groups that came to dominate much of Africa is that they have spread with certain material cultures, lifestyles and ancestries. 

You can easily see this when you look at the paper published back in 2019 on the spread of food producers in Kenya, Tanzania and southern East Africa. I  which you could basically describe it as pre 5000bp (3000bc) you had East African hg who resembled Ethiopian mota and Hadza groups in there ancestry living in Kenya until 3000 bc you have a “pastoral neolithic culture”  which was a culture of Cushitic groups, one of the eariliets sample actually being described as genetically in distinguishable from sudanese sample form the site of Kadruka.  

Petrous bones and teeth are the skeletal elements most often targeted by researchers for ancient DNA (aDNA) extraction, and the sources of the majority of previously published ancient African genomes. However, the high temperature environments that characterise much of Africa often lead to poor preservation of skeletal remains. Here, we successfully reconstruct and analyse genome-wide data from the naturally mummified hair of a 4000-year-old individual from Sudan in northeastern Africa, after failed attempts at DNA extraction from teeth, petrous, and cranium of this and other individuals from the Kadruka cemeteries. We find that hair DNA extracted with an established single-stranded library protocol is unusually enriched in ultra-short DNA molecules and exhibits substantial interior molecular damage. The aDNA was nonetheless amenable to genetic analyses, which revealed that the genome is genetically indistinguishable from that of early Neolithic eastern African pastoralists located 2500 kms away. Our findings are consistent with established models for the southward dispersal of Middle Nile Valley pastoral populations to the Rift Valley of eastern Africa, and provide a possible genetic source population for this dispersal. Our study highlights the value of mummified hair as an alternate source of aDNA from regions with poor bone preservation.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-25384-y

Then during the you have an Iron Age where you see the spread of iron tools, dna, and lifestyle associated with bantu speaking groups starting aground 2500bp, and then lastly you have the spread of nilotes associated with a 2nd spread of pastoralism and rouletted pottery traditions starting around 1200bp. 

Here are some quotes: 

We propose a four-stage model that fits the data. First, admixture in northeastern Africa created groups with approximately equal proportions of ancestry related to present-day Sudanese Nilotic speakers and groups from northern Africa and the Levant. Second, descendants of these northeastern Africans mixed with foragers in eastern Africa. Third, an additional component of Sudan-re-lated ancestry contributed to Iron Age pastoralist groups. Fourth, western African-related ancestry, similar to that found in present-day Bantu speakers, appeared with the spread of farming. (Prendergast et al. 2019)

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6827346/

I do want to give another disclaimer tho, which is that you should keep in mind  that theories about the migration and settlement of linguistic groups, such as Nilotic, Cushitic, and Bantu peoples, are continually evolving. These theories are constructed based on a combination of linguistic analysis, archaeological evidence, and historical records. However, as new genetic research and archaeological discoveries emerge, our understanding of these migrations may change significantly. The movements and interactions of these groups are complex, and while current models offer insights, they remain subject to revision as new evidence sheds light on the intricate history of human populations in Africa.

Just look at these few example of earlier theories of nilotic migration history in Sudan. Scolars like Christopher ehret actually proposed back drug the 80s in some academic journal on the history of South Sudan that nilotes 1st entered southern sudan around 3000bc and that we spread from the blue nile state in the southern regions of modern day sudan. What he basically did (or at least how it seems to me, lol) is that he picked the most northerly groups and areas where you have nilotic speakers which is Burun people who speak western nilotic languages related to dinka, nuer, luo, and etc..) and just picked that place as the origin place of all nilotes. And for the record this is not shot at him because he was just doing the best that he could with limited data only having linguistic as his real thing to go off of. And some other scholars earlier had even suggested the nilotic groups didn’t even originate from sudan (north or south at all) based on “cultural evidence” (whatever that means, lmao). 

Papers: 

https://southsudanmuseumnetwork.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/mack-and-robertshaw-1982-culture-history-in-southern-sudan.pdf

https://archive.org/details/dinkachristianit0000nikk

also, gonna continue this post inside of the comments since I dont wanna run out of characters to use, also, if you wanna see the full post with all of the pictures that will tell you and demistate what im talking abt, heres the link I made for it. I posted it in Somali spot since it was the only other platform I had to post this, https://www.somalispot.com/threads/are-the-dinka-nubians-origins-of-the-dinka-nilotes.174486/#post-4190912

لما تحب تحجز تذكره قطر خلي شخص مصري هو الي يحجزلك لأن الحكومة بتستغلكم وبتحسبكم زي الأجانب وهتدفوا أضعاف مبلغ التذكره

There's free Palestine protests around the world, even in countries who aren't supplying weapons to Israel or have anything to do with Israel. Why not for Sudan? I think we should have some similar protests for this genocide too.

I'm genuinely curious why some people believe this war will end any way other than through negotiation. The South Sudanese conflict lasted nearly 22 years, with atrocities committed by both sides, yet it eventually concluded through negotiations, leading to South Sudan’s independence from Sudan in 2011.

Similarly, the war with Darfuri rebel groups lasted almost two decades, eventually resulting in the Juba Agreement. When we look at many wars in Africa, a significant number have either ended with negotiations after years of fighting or are still ongoing in various forms.

It's been almost two years, and realistically, things aren't improving, especially for the people affected by the conflict. History shows that, despite prolonged violence, most African conflicts ultimately end with some form of negotiation, often after years of war and loss. In my opinion expecting a purely military solution seems out of touch with how these wars typically end.

Look, like most people, I hate the RSF, and a part of me wishes they were erased from the face of the earth. But, as much as I hate to admit it, we are at real risk of this war turning into a multi-year conflict like in Syria or Yemen. Things will only get worse as more global powers get involved.

Edit: Forgot to add that our economy is not what it used to be; I don’t see it sustaining a multi-year war like it did during the conflicts with South Sudan or in Darfur. Eventually, it will crumble unless we yield to foreign powers. Our relationships with Iran and allowing Russian bases in the Red Sea are likely only the beginning of this reality.

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The story of the first comic book is set during the Egyptian era, focusing on the time when tall and strong Sudanese people were enslaved by the pharaohs to build the pyramids.

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What means يحنكو البيش i don't really know what it could mean ?

Many of those believing and cheering for the army , haven't even looked back to this very recent history. What's interesting is that most of those people weren't in Sudan at the time and they are definitely not on Sudan now . Demanding the continuation if this hopless war " over seas" . This war came as a result of enabling RSF by Burhan and it's impossible to fix the situation as long as he is a part of the game Now, they want local residents of Al jazeera to defend themselves. I can only hope God will sort things out

I’ve lived in diaspora all my life (Midwest USA) and personally I do want to get married someday iA but at the same time I recognize that not everyone has the same path way in life, and not everyone is single by choice. Our Sudani community in my city is very tight knit, there are a lot of Sudanese ladies in my community who are older than me (ranging from the late 20s - late 30s) and people talk about them like they’re ruining their lives simply because they’re not married yet. It’s super sad because these women are beautiful and accomplished and people still look down on them, and talk about them like they’re a burden and failure . Last week I went to a wedding, one of the aunties said hi to an older girl who was unmarried in her thirties and then when she went she warned me and my friends (we are in our early 20s) not to end up like her because she’s a failure and “bayra.” I rarely hear the same criticism and hatred toward single men who are 27-28+

Hello my Sudanese brothers and sisters, does anyone know a country that's easier to migrate to at the moment. I recently landed a job that pays well in Dubai. But I'm really fed up with the way this country is treating Sudanese people ( and how it's basically destroying my homeland). I thought about about travelling to USA but i think that's impossible at the moment. So my question is if there's any other country with a smooth travelling process that I can migrate to, thank you in advance 🙏🏽🤍

انا عايز افهم سبب اضطراب اقليم دارفور اللي خلي البشير يعمل الجنجويد و يقمعهم و معالجته الخاطئة و القتل الجماعي الجنوني في دارفور

تمام في دارفور عرقيات مختلفة من التشاد و علي راسي و كلنا اخوة في الاسلام الحمد لله
ماهو مش طبيعي القبيلة اللي جنبي عرقية مختلفة اقوم ضاربها !

و جزء تهميش التنمية دا منتشر في كل العالم و اللي بيحصل في الغالب انه الناس بتهاجر للعمل في العواصم اللي فيها شغل

حرمة الدماء شديدة للغاية في الاسلام اللي الجنجويد يدعوا انهم ينتموا له

لو حد يتكرم علي و يفهمني اكثر يكون جزاه الله كل خير