How long do you guys think my withdrawals will last it's going on two days after taking sub it's messing with my head because I don't want to be sick for weeks like ppl say they are when they cold turkey it I only started taking pain meds this year in march now I'm on sub and only been on it for like 2 half months I got off it for few days because I got more pills but I got back on it and just wondering how long will the symptoms last???

I’ve been struggling at moving down from 1mg for a month. I had gone down to .75 but couldn’t function. Not tapering is not an option. Does anyone have a story of hope when getting off at these low doses? A taper protocol. I have clonodine and pregablin but likely have a tolerance. Should I just say fuck if and jump from here? Tia.

Hey guys. I started tapering about four weeks ago from 4mgs/day to now 2mgs, going down .5mg a week. From here on out, I do plan on slowing down and only decreasing my dose by .25mg/week. 2mg has been a tiny bit rough.

I’ve already noticed some positive effects from tapering. My muscle gains in the gym have been noticeably better (I would assume because the smaller does is suppressing less of my testosterone), and I’ve been less bloated. One thing

I have noticed though is my sex drive is even LESS (my sex drive has been pretty low on subs, even at only 4mg a day and exercising 3-4x week) now, which I would have thought the opposite, and my husband has been getting on my nerves for no reason at all…

Ugh, I hate that I even have to go through this at all. Of course I could just not taper and stay on suboxone, but I’ve got to know who I am without this stuff again. I’ve been on opiates for almost my entire adult life.

I’m on day 19 and wondering how long this might last?

I’m 70 days off zubsolv after a 4 week taper. I’ve had issues with depression/anxiety my whole life, but not to these extremes. I started pills when I was 14, addicted & daily use by 15, then of course was addicting to H by 18-19. I’ve been on subs for about 12 years and have never been on either drugs or subs….. I’m worried that since I started young, my brain isn’t capable of re-learning how to create the natural chemicals that I need to feel normal….. what was everyone’s turning point for PAWS that suffered with depression or anxiety?

Those of you who used Clonidine during withdrawals, did you ever notice that as you recovered more the Clonidine started making you woozy? I’m 19 days out and took .1 of Clonidine today and typically I don’t get woozy but today I did. So I’m wondering if maybe I just don’t need it anymore, or if I should only take half.

The sleep and RLS and tremors at night have been the worst for me and I’ve had two nights in a row of 6+ hours of sleep without much RLS. The days that I exercise it seems to be much better. Also I’ve broken two toes and now have walking pneumonia (it’s going around the whole country especially for kids). But I’m still doing this. It gets better. I find if I keep moving too, I feel better and have less symptoms. I work half days sub teaching. Sitting in a classroom which is hard. The classroom is so small and there is just no reason for me to be moving around. It’s a tough 4 hours!! But then I leave and try to pack in as much as I can.

I took subutex for 19 years. I’m 47, single mom of two busy teens who live with me full time. I have two jobs (right now). I jumped at .25 (after talking to people who jumped at higher and lower amounts it seems like we all have similar symptoms and don’t begin to really feel better until around 20ish days) . I’m very proud of this accomplishment.

So since I've stopped I've had gut issues. Which was expected after being on opiates for 10 years then subs for almost 2 years. When does this nightmare end? I know I have to heal my gut. Any supplements or probiotics I can take? Pepto helps but I've been taking it several times a day for a month now. Thanks!

Hello everyone. Four months ago someone I loved deeply took his own life. He has relapsed on opiates last October. At the time of his passing the only thing in his system were suboxone and 3 drinks worth of alcohol. (Possibly adderall too). A friend of mine said alcohol can intensify the side effects of suboxone and make you feel really depressed. Just wondering if this is true. All the articles I've read are inconclusive. I'm struggling greatly with his passing as I feel it was my fault for not being there.

I jumped off sublocade after 2 300mg shots. My opiate addiction started after I had a spinal fusion for scoliosis. And after I became terribly depressed about what I lost bc of my surgery. It just got out of hand… I thought maybe the pain was bc of opioid hyperelgesia. Bc last time I went about 7 months off sublocade. Now Im at only 3 months. And rather than my shoulder which was here the pain was when my addiction started. My lower back pain now is what’s on another level. And has me eating Tylenol, and ibuprofens daily. I learned a few years ago my low spine and pelvis were shifting. So my question is could the bupe have been covering this pain up the entire time? So should I have still felt this pain while more bupe was in my system? I’m trying to figure out if this pain started recently. Or if it’s been a problem for a long time and I’m just now noticing it.

It really sucks though if this continues. I do not want to be on any opioids anymore just bc of the stigma… But idk how I’m going to manage if this isn’t just a temporary pain. But I can’t tell if it’s going away yet or not. It seems like it’s worsening, ugh. Life sucks sometimes. I just am tired of this being used against me.

Edit: I never had an Opiod Issue. Was on 2mg of Dilaudid for 6 months then put on 32 mg of Suboxone for 1.5 years.

I had been stable at 1 mg for i think 2 weeks. I went down to .75 for the last 3 days up until today. Those 3 days were absolute hell. Fatigue worse than being preggo, depression, anxiety, all flu stuff. Today I could not find my pill cutter and I likely took 1mg again. Does this mean those 3 days that I toughed it out were in vain?

Also, doc says to stay at 1 and skip days? Shouldn’t I just be cutting it down as low as possible?

I've done some research on here, but is there a specific brand that is recommended? I'm already in withdrawal if that makes a difference. Want to pick some up today or order today. And does it help with the gut/bathroom issues? Thanks !

Today was the first day I didn’t need any comfort meds. Also only took one shower. Took a bike ride. I was starting to get some symptoms and was gonna take something right when a friend came by and stayed to chat for like 2 hours. I’ve now decided I’m just going to wait for bed. Or maybe I’ll try getting through the night without anything.

I don’t think I’ve sneezed today either.

I’m at 16 mlg doing the Bernie method. When/how can I start tapering off the suboxon please 🙏🏻

Okay so long story short I’ve been fighting for an ADHD diagnosis for three years and finally got prescribed vyvanse for it. I know how that sounds, I’m not trying to justify using substances, I just always knew that I had ADHD and that it would help. I got the prescription and it made a huge difference almost immediately. I’ve had a hard time getting starting on things and still had a difficult time quitting weed, but once I got on vyvanse, it killed all of my cravings for weed and I haven’t smoked in around 3 weeks. I sought out a vyvance prescription with the permission of my sub doctor.

ADHD doctors prescribed me vyvance, didn’t look at my chart at all, and next visit they told me that I’d have to get off suboxone to keep the prescription. They very obviously are not educated on subs or how long you need to taper because no doctor who is informed would ask someone who’s been stable on them at the lowest dose for THREE years to get off of them in a month before their next appointment. Told my sub doctor this and she was dumbfounded, but told me that at her clinic her hands are tied and she can’t write scripts for vyvance which makes total sense.

So, I made an appointment with my friends doctor at 3:30 today who prescribes him methadone, Xanax, and ketamine treatment, thinking that surely if he’s willing to give my friend all of that at the same time, he should be understanding enough to just trust me with what I know is working.

Signed into the waiting room, waited an hour and half, called the office and they told me that my appointment had been deleted two weeks ago. They sent me Jack shit about that.

So, I’m down to my last five days (max) of suboxone. I’ve already had to cut them into basically crumbs, and I feel like shit. There’s no possible way I’m going to be able to get a sub script prescribed or filled in time, and I also don’t want to be fucked out of my vyvanse by doing so. But I’m going to get sick on either Monday or Tuesday and i have 3 shows (I’m a professional musician) next week.

I just don’t know what to do. I don’t want to play the whole street game and go buy shit off of someone else, but I don’t know what the fuck else I’m supposed to do. Again, I have no interest in reverting to that strategy. Most people on subs are going to be in recovery, and I don’t want to drag myself or anyone back into that dealing/diverting meds mindset.

I’ve been fighting with doctors more ever since I’ve been sober than I ever did in active addiction. Vyvanse and subs are a very common prescription combination because those with unmedicated ADHD are up to 75x more likely to develop substance abuse issues. This shit is just fucked and idk what they expect me to do.

I've been off for a week or so now. I feel okay with the exception of occasional sneezing and body aches. However, I am FREEZING cold all the time, and I live in Florida. How long does it take for your body temperature to regulate itself? I often wake up in a cold sweat also, which I know is normal. I'm not giving up. I'm just a little frustrated! Thanks 😊

So this is my 3rd rodeo. I recently jumped off .016mg of sub. I had been weaning for 6 months (also pregnant) stupid I know. But I have to for the sake of my baby. I'm not 3 weeks sub free and I'm still sneezing, back is killen me, restless is still very much there and all of a sudden my stomach is back to not being so good. My energy is low too. I noticed when I work I don't think of it S much but once the night comes I dread it!! As soon as I lay down, my knees start acting up & I'm Super restless. I need melatonin and restless LEG PM every night along with a Tylenol, I'm tired of feeling like this. 8 need some support. It's like a silent victory yet also, no one to really talk with about it. Any feedback or remedies would help.

Does anyone else experience this during drops down? I suppose the big thing here is anxiety but it’s manifesting in such a weird way that im not use to. Instead of hyper vigilance it’s like hyper aversion to even the slightest bit of stress.

I'm day 19 off subs and still experiencing severe withdrawals in the form of sweats and chills, sneezing and yawning, watery eyes, anxiety etc. I'm still pissing positive too... I'm so pissed off.

This is far worse than almost any other opioid I've ever used. It isn't pleasurable itchiness. It's rash-like itchiness. Only pops up when I scratch and usually goes away with a few hours of taking my dose. My skin becomes swollen and inflamed.

As the heading says. What are the top tools you would recommend to a person suffering from Suboxone withdrawal?

Mine are clonidine, sunlight, exercise.

I've been on suboxone for almost 4 years now, luckily I managed to resist the doctor constantly upping the dose and only got uo to 4-5 mg a day at max. Our Healthcare system where I live was literally held for ransom by a group of hackers which caused me to not be able to do my urine test and I eventually got dropped by my doctor which led me to purchasing my suboxone off the street. (A Blessing is disguise) i stayed on it for another year and a bit and managed to lower my dose to 2mg so it was manageable pricewise and so i didn't burn through what i managed to find. The last couple months I had trouble finding the pills and could only get the strips. The strips are the best for tapering off as you can be more precise and dividing your dose compared to the pills. Took me 2 shots to kick the strips and I did microdose percoset to help curb the worst first couple days of the withdrawls. Also had a wicked lung infection at the same time which compounded my misery. Right now I'm on day 16 if you don't discount the 3 days I used the percosets.

Suboxone numbs you out emotionally. Its hard to see untill you get off it how much it changes your mental state. I am mentally getting back to normal, my emotions are coming back, I'm happier, less grouchy at work and with my family. I actually laugh at videos I find funny again instead of just finding it to be funny. My life definitely isn't one most would be happy with or would want to have. But it just feels so damn good to actually be able to "feel" again. The good and bad alike. 

 I hope anyone that is struggling with suboxone that reads and can relate find the nspiration to start tapering off. There's lots of information online about how to do it and my first piece of advice is to find some strips (depending on the dose your on the incriments may vary) and cut then up into doses that will just barely make you feel better, all you have to do is just enough to keep yourself out of full blown withdrawl. I dropped off at 2mg because I had too I couldn't find anymore strips but you can cut them down all the way to 1mg and even lower that that if you feel like you need too. Also, Gabapentin and pregabalin are the best things I found to help with the restless legs and back that won't make the withdraws last longer. 

       LIFE CAN GET BETTER, YOU CAN DO IT!!  If anyone wants I will happily send you the links I found on some effective tapering methods. Wishing everyone in this group the courage to get off the program, and the willpower to stay off ❤️ your stronger than you think 💪

Back in 2014 when I was retiring from the military and I was wanting to quit pain pills because the va said I couldn’t use medical cannabis and take pain pills at the same time, they put me suboxone. They started me at 8 mgs. I didn’t know a thing about it except that it helped me with the pain meds.

Fast forward a couple years later and I’m wondering why I’m still taking this medication. I’m not on pain meds and it’s not doing anything for me. So I asked the dr how to handle getting off of them. If there was anything to worry about. “Nah”, he says, “just taper down, you’ll be fine”. Ok no and secondly fuck no I was not fine.

I’d finally gotten myself down to barely a crumb of a piece of a 2mg, but no matter what I did I couldn’t get off of them. I tried everything. I thought well, it’s such a small dose I’ll just live with it.

Now back to the va, they are being super dickheaded about prescribing this to me. Some of the drs won’t prescribe it if you’re on MMJ, others don’t want to be responsible for it in general, while a few think it’s the best invention since the Jeri curl. So I’m being bounced around, basically begging anyone, someone to help me because there’s no way I want to ever go through that feeling of withdrawal again.

Now a year ago I have my back surgery, we of course don’t want to get addicted to pain pills again, besides they barely work when taking Suboxone. I mean think about it, the purpose of them is to block the opioid receptors. So instead the drs bump my Suboxone back up, telling me it’s so great and it’s so much safer than opioids and my life will be improved.

For a year now, without realizing it, I’ve turned into a numb zombie. I have no energy, no motivation, all I do is sleep. I have the personality of snail and no interest in anything. I had no idea realistically that this was going on. I mean I knew I was feeling a sort of way, but for the life of me I couldn’t figure out why.

Two weeks ago I ran out of my meds about a week early. The va (some stupid Mother fucker that answers email messages and is not a Dr) refused to fill my scripts earlier. Absolutely refused and basically said “suck it up buttercup!”

Therefore these assholes who put me in this situation, refused to help in any way, shape, or form.

With that all being said (and if you’re still reading this I thank you and am grateful for you) I’m going on day 8 of withdrawal and I’m absolutely MISERABLE. This withdrawal is worse than the pain meds. I’ve never experienced anything like. I suppose in the end I’ll have to thank the pain management clinic for being so diligent in their duties, but boy did they take a risk, because the suicide rate for Suboxone withdrawal is very intense. (No worries I’m not going anywhere. I’m a fucking fighter)

My point to all this is to say, JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE A DOCTOR, DOESN’T MEAN THEY KNOW WTF THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT. Be careful, be vigilant, do research, get third, fourth, seventh opinions. Suboxen withdrawal will lead you to stronger drugs just like opiates. It is not safer, better, or more helpful.

Thank you for listening if you made it the end. You are my 🫶🫶🫶 PS Been done with the MMJ for a long while too

This will make me better and stronger. It's just going to take some time.

I love you. Thank you for listening

The first year and a half I did heroin I would use for 27 days then quit with no problems (used to work in the oil field and would get ransom uas) I didn’t know I was supposed to “withdraw” until someone informed me that if you use for longer than 3 days your body gets physically addicted. That’s when everything changed because I was told that and believed it and you all know what happens next i start having withdraws then I tell myself I can’t just “stop” anymore.

Fast forward 10 years later after a bunch of attempts of stopping and suboxone or methadone I go to prison. Well where I’m located the county jail will give you 8mg of suboxone a day but when you go to prison they don’t provide it there so I go to prison after months of taking strips and no withdraws or anything. But when I would tell people this they called bullshit.

Well I started doing research about this phenomenon and learned about a bunch soldiers from the Vietnam war that did heroin daily for years just abruptly stopped when the war ended and had no problems or cravings or went back to using. Why? Because no one put in there head that once they’re using for days they will be addicted for life but people like us they did. Yeah maybe we do experience some physical symptoms but nothing worse than what normal people experience with the flu. So why’s it so difficult to stop? Because our mind and what we believe.

I got into Buddhism and bam, it explains addiction and life but this whole time I always thought once an addict always one (AA and NA) no matter how much I got into the programs no one ever explained why and how these things happen. Well the Buddha did so I’m going to share a summary of the four noble truths just so yall can get a taste of it.

1. In life shitty things happen and we will suffer.

2. Aversion from suffering will bring more suffering. As well as CRAVING (that’s us lol) for pleasure will bring us more suffering

3. This is where he explains suffering can be eliminated if we want.

4. He explains the path.

No matter what we do in life we will suffer. We all will still have cravings for pleasurable feelings, or try to avoid unpleasant feelings (detox, withdraw) so we continue to take Suboxone. Just wanted to share this to maybe help someone. But if you think I’m bullshitting about not having withdrawals research the soldiers from the Vietnam war.

Day 11 off of subs. I tapered to .25 and then went off and I’m still getting horrific tremors at night. Nothing is helping and I’m punching myself so hard I’m scaring myself. I’m a single parent with two kids and I can’t be up all night. It’s like the tremors are getting worse. I’ve got some Xanax (doesn’t touch it). I’ve stopped the gabapentin because everyone was warning me about taking it too long so I stopped it after about six days. My Dr refuses to give me anything which I think is terrible. I’m going to try again today to see him at $125 which I really don’t have. Would it help to go back on the gabapentin? At what dose? When I stopped 5 days ago I was at 900 mg three times a day. I also have pregalbin but not much.

Feeling very off and horrible. Tried dropping my dose by 2mg and I feel just... idk. Very very bad. Idk how else to describe it.

So day 5 no sub. I did break and get 10 hydrocodones. I'm pretty disappointed in myself. Bad part is besides really having the flu for about 7 days it hasn't been horrible. The rls is what gets me and the anxiety. I've been through worse imo methadone wd were much more intense. So I don't know if I basically started everything back over? I took 2 10mg today of the norco. Still feel pretty crappy even though I can tell I'm nearing the end of the flu. My whole house is sick and I needed an energy boost to at least get something done today. If I take 1-2 hydrocodone for the next few days will I be totally screwed? I know there's no easy way to get through this and I'm trying to find a short cut that probably doesn't exist.