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What is Identity Politics?

[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature.

An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do.

Adolph Reed


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LGBTQ as a Form of Imperialism/White Supremacy

I have written on this before elsewhere and am of course open to virulent disagreement and criticism of my views which are admittedly a work in progress (and often stupid). Also I have to state that I am completely in support of all citizens of my country being treated as equals, being able to marry whoever they want, not being discriminated against in housing or employment, all that. Not so much trans-former-dudes on womens volleyball teams, but completely against trans people being harrassed and I am in favor of anyone as an adult being able to do whatever they want with their body (that said let's save euthanasia for another day, por favor)

All that to say that it has become obvious to me that the modern LGBTQ movement has become a front in a class war by the wealthy world that both enforces the dominant cultural hegemony in western societies but also especially in regards to the wealthy worlds relations with the poorer parts of it. And by "wealthy world" I do almost exclusively mean parts made up of wealthy, white people. This isn't coming from Japan, because...

Firstly, the movement is clearly born out of the liberal understanding of the individual as sovereign, or the individual being "liberated" as in "separated" from society. That is the basis of our society, and most of the arguments stem from this philosophical background. I understand the Marxist arguments, but it was "freedom to do what I want"/"Love is Love" argument that won the day in the liberal west. That is not the background much of the world shares, where society is not always but usually based around a community group such as clan, tribe, relationship with God, economic class, etc. They generally are very much not of the individual as being liberated/"separated" from society as post-enlightenment western societies are. To these folks the liberal arguments just don't hit because they don't speak to the foundations of these societies. Then these societies are regarded as inferior "wrong side of history" types.

As an example, consider the argument made that Israel is the only country in the middle east to have gay rights

While true, this also makes it obvious that Israel was founded by westerners. Their conception of "gay rights" comes from an understanding of "human rights" that simply has no basis in the middle east. The middle east is comprised of tribal societies who conceive of the social contract via that ancient makeup. Nobody who was actually from the middle east would try and build a liberal state based around the foreign ideology of human rights anymore than a guy in 18th Century Virginia would attempt to build a government around Islamic law. (note: this is true of the founders of Israel, but certainly not the millions of non-western Jews in Israel who formed the Likud when they got fed up with the western Labor folks. Take that as you will).

Another example is in the realm of organized religion, especially as regarding the Anglicans and Catholics. In both of those cases we have Europe-based hierarchies running a religious group and now increasingly caught in between what their increasingly liberal western audience demands and what their growing congregations in Africa, Asia, and Latin America want. The western audience demands the ancient religions shift doctrine so that God reflects their cultural norms as the individual being sovereign and free to do whatever they want, while just about everyone else in the world views this as the exact opposite point of being religious at all. Now I am not saying this because I expect y'all Marxists to view religion differently or get baptized (couldn't hurt tho!), but it is fascinating to see essentially a neo-Victorian episode of white people attempting to civilize the rest of the world. Make them like us! is shouted by large chunks of society at Churches based in their countries but simultaneously where congregations are fading out. It will be fascinating to see how these groups evolve.

Yet another example is of course US foreign policy, as well as that of other western states.

As I mentioned earlier, the westerners cannot conceive of a non-liberal society. When we invade Iraq, we don't need to know their demographics/history/geography/traditions/civil makeup because we know what is right for them: Our System! When we invade Afghanistan, we don't need to know their demographics/history/geography/traditions/civil makeup because we know what is right for them: Our system! Neither of those societies were built on liberal foundations like ours. Attempting to build a liberal democracy in Iraq made as much sense as inserting a Penguin colony there and is just as cruel to everyone involved. Liberalism in Afghanistan is frankly even a more foreign ideology being imposed than Marxism-Leninism was!

And of course, when these projects inevitably failed, we ran away and blamed the people we were "just trying to help"...

Today you see the exact same with the doctrine of human rights, and today "LGBT rights" is the vanguard of this ideology. We weren't right about Iraq or Afghanistan, but that still has not ended the belief that our philosophy is the Only One True God.

Anyways, thanks for listening to my rant. Hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving, or at least a nice weekend!

TLDR trump is literally hitler or something

23 Comments
2024/12/01
22:04 UTC

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Germany Deindustrialising & Subordinated - Sevim Dağdelen [BSW], Alexander Mercouris & Glenn Diesen

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2024/12/01
20:58 UTC

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Feeling legitimate fear over upcoming Trump administration

I need someone to just tell me I'm being an irrational libtard who's overreacting and nothing's gonna happen. I'm feeling a lot of anxiety over being deported in the future and obviously there's probably millions of people who'd get targeted before me if things actually got that bad but I still can't shake it.

I'm an immigrant to the US, I was born in my home country (not specifying but in Latin America) but my parents moved here when I was a baby and culturally I feel 100% American. They went through the citizenship process when I was a kid and I automatically got naturalized as a result, I have a US passport and one for my home country. What makes me paranoid is hearing freaks like Stephen Miller, who will soon be in an actual position of power, saying they want to expand the denaturalization process to make it easier to deport people who commit crime, even if they're US citizens. I haven't done anything explicitly illegal, but I have been to some pro-Palestine protests over the past year, in my state of Texas where it seems like police departments are receiving the latest in surveillance technology. I'm a dumbass with tattoos and I probably didn't always cover them up or mask up properly at every place I was at, though I've heard some of this new technology can even clock you by your ear shape or the gait of your walk. I didn't do anything crazy at these protests except chant and march with everyone else, but hearing Trump and these evangelical psychopaths talking about how Palestine protestors are antisemitic, should be jailed/deported, etc. it definitely makes me feel a lot of fear that now I'm on a database of Palestinian sympathizers and if they want at any point someone can go find me on there, see my dual citizenship, deem me a threat to national security for being opposed to our greatest ally and simply send some ICE officers to come make me pack my shit up, despite having lived in this country for 25+ years. And then on top of that you're hearing reports of literal concentration camps getting built in this state.

I feel dumb for thinking this shit too especially like, how I mentioned, I probably wouldn't be even a fraction as fucked as all the actually undocumented/homeless/etc. people would be if the Trump admin did really go full Hitler, I just really want someone to tell me I'm being crazy and that there's no logistical/practical way that things are really gonna get that bad.

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2024/12/01
17:12 UTC

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2024/12/01
16:33 UTC

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is reddit a liberal astroturf?

Is that why any marxist opinions are censored?

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2024/12/01
03:08 UTC

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I still can't forgive liberals for...

My syrup being besmirched with the logo of Pearl Milling Company. They have to take everything from me.

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2024/12/01
02:34 UTC

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Varoufakis: how China can win the new cold war. Worth a listen if you have half an hour to spare.

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2024/12/01
00:36 UTC

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So, what are you guys up to, tangibly?

Since the election, I've been shopping around for orgs to get involved in, with the current frontrunners in my area being the Working Families Party and the DSA.

But I'll be honest, I did spend most of my time the past few weeks flirting with being a social drop-out or engaging with the culture war and patterns of alienation that make me feel like being a social drop-out.

Enough, if there's something else out there and some other way, I want to know. What are you guys doing to advance the kind of politics you want to have happen?

(no, I am not asking anyone to doxx themselves, only share what you feel comfortable with).

34 Comments
2024/11/30
20:11 UTC

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Anyone else out there think Trump is a deep state invention? That he's playing the role of a maverick doing his own thing, but behind closed doors he's just a puppet for the Western elites, just like the Dems?

I feel very isolated in my political viewpoint. And it's kind of disappointing to see anti-imperialist leftists all over youtube, discussing Trump as if he's a real phenomenon. Atleast it's disappointing from my viewpoint.

So I'm searching for like minded people. Essentially, I think there is in fact, a shady group of bankers and elites who run things behind the scenes. But I think they're WESTERN elites and oligarchs. That they run the WESTERN gov'ts. But that China and Russia are sovereign. And that's exactly why we're in a new cold war.

But I think the Western elites create domestic theater for their citizens, such as "deep state dems" vs. "unpredictable, Washington outsider Trump", amongst other fabricated battles. And in this way, they carry out their imperialist plans over the global South while they're own citizenry are engrossed in, and distracted by, the theater.

And with Trump they've managed to distract even the anti-establishment crowd in the US.

Let me know if this rings true to you... Or if not

Thanks

101 Comments
2024/11/30
19:29 UTC

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