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Hey Guys !
I am sharing my last cover of Killswitch Engage, let me know your opinions please....
Hi there!!!
here is my take on Popular Monster by Falling In Reverse, it has been a push for the chest and also I ve never tried rap before 🙂
Let me know your thoughts, thanks,
Mike
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGfm-6-B9hs&ab_channel=MikeyG.W.
Hello, Does anyone here know of a online sight singing tutor for beginners? Cannot find anyone on the most common music tutoring sites. TIA.
hello everyone am a bigger singer and downloaded the light version of TVs vocal course program "if anybody has a past with that course please get in touch with me in the comments"
and I feel absolutely confused and kind of lost on how to train and how to schedule my daily work out to get the best results and i can't afford private lessons till June at least so any advise from experienced singers
I am a producer and song-writer by the way and am about to release my first single but i have like 6 months' room for vocal improvement so i want to save as much time as i can
Thank you all !!
Hi guys,
I ve been practising singing for a while and I am trying to constantly seek challanges to apply the techniques I am training,
this is my last cover :
Morgana - Lord Of The Lost
Request any song that I can sing or dance for fun
Thanks, watch my videos too if you like
Here's one of them, enjoy
There aren't many apps for sight-singing practice. One of those few is EarMaster on iOS, Android, Windows and Mac, which my team and I make.
Are you using it? Or are you using a different one?
Do you think Apps can help musicians acquire better sight-singing skills?
Hi guys,
I am with Ken Tamplin`s stuff for a while and I am trying to constantly seek challanges to apply the techniques I am training,
this is my last cover :
Parasite Eve - Bring Me The Horizon
How do you remember if you see a note and realise it's a C and then a D, how do you sing these notes out and not any other notes at a distance of an interval. Do you always need your instrument to know the root note and then take it from there? Or are there any other tricks involved. Not sure if this belongs here. Since it is reading a note on sight, I figured this subreddit is best fit.
This sub is called sight SINGING Not sight SEEING I cannot tell what key signature your trip to Chile is in
Have you ever been to The Temple of Heaven in Beijing? How much do you know about it?
I started using this old book and I like it very much. Anyone else?
https://archive.org/details/methodicalsightpt1and2root/page/n11
You start with the C of key and with some phrases of progressive difficulty to learn the notes. The suggestions for doing the starting exercises are:
3.Sing (with movable Do) without the piano
4.Sing with a neutral syllable (lo for example) without the piano
5.Sing and pointing on the fingers the position of the notes on the staft (I suppose on a blank staff) for to reinforce memory
After this introductory exercices they come the reading exercices. You have to play a little passage (the major chord and the scale) to establish the tonic and studying in a similar way:
2.Sing (with movable Do) without the piano
3.Sing with a neutral syllable (lo for example) without the piano
4.Sing clapping the hands the first note of each measure
5.Go through the lesson in correct rhythm, singing the key-note each time it appears and
playing the other notes. (Do not both play and sing a note. See that instrument and voice
are not for an instant sounding together.)
6. Repeat the lesson, playing the first measure and singing the second, and so on in alternation.
7.Repeat, singing the first measure and playing the second. Alternate throughout. (¿¿¿¿¿¿¿???????)
8.Sing it, beating time with the hand. Make the note at each down beat louder than the
others
9.Sing one measure and be silent in the next;- and so on in alternation. Think the tones of the silent measures and give them exact time. The instrument is not to be used.
10. Point the lesson upon the fingers, (or write it upon a staff,) while singing it from memory or hearing it played or sung
They are lot of melodies and even songs for practicing. Then you go with the key of G, and then to the key of B flat, then D...
Thanks for this subreddit, I've found some excellent recommendations.
I am a beginner and am learning by myself. I know how to read music a little from having played musical instruments to a basic level as a child, but I don't play any instruments now.
I have started using 'Eyes and Ears' by recording my efforts, finding the music on youtube and then checking my work against the recording. Is this the right way to do things?
I am thinking of getting 'Music for Sight Singing'. As the pieces are apparently 'from the literature', I hope to use the same method for checking my work. Does anybody know if I'm likely to be able to find most of the pieces from this book available to listen for free online?
Is there a better way to use a book that comes without recordings?
Thanks.
I joined a choir, and I decided I wanted to learn to sight-sing from scratch (*).
After about six months (**) (practising most days, I got interested), I can sight-sing fairly well. I still struggle 'prima vista', but given a written melody I can work out what it sounds like fairly quickly without using an instrument. And I'm getting better and better at 'prima vista'.
I'm told this is good progress, so I thought I'd describe the things that worked for me:
Firstly, I really loved Mark Philips book: "Sight Sing any Melody Instantly":
https://www.amazon.com/Sight-Sing-Melody-Instantly-Mark-Phillips/dp/1575605147
Within about a week of starting it, I could puzzle out what written music sounded like, and I could write down various tunes that I knew well. (Both with great difficulty and lots of trial and error!)
It took me maybe a month to work through the 'Songs in Major' part.
I hadn't found the excellent "Vocal Pitch Monitor" android app at that point:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tadaoyamaoka.vocalpitchmonitor
But I'm sure that if I had, it would have really helped. Once I did find it, I used it all the time.
Another thing that I wish I'd found earlier is the "Functional Ear Trainer" android app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kaizen9.fet.android&hl=en
Which teaches you to hear the various notes in the context of a key. As well as helping with singing and transcribing, this has really sharpened my sense of pitch, and I now automatically whistle and sing precisely in tune without thinking about it, and without drifting sharp or flat.
I've actually spent a lot more of my time messing around with this app than I probably should have. If I'd spent a bit less time on it and concentrated on practising sight-singing instead then I think I would have made faster progress.
As well as pitch, you also need to get the hang of rhythm:
I also loved Mark's book on rhythm: "Sight Read Any Rhythm Instantly"
and I used the methods described in the book to work through:
this "Rhythm Trainer" app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.demax.rhythmerr
A few "philosophical" questions that I still had about rhythm even after reading Mark's book and working through the Rhythm Trainer were answered by the Rhythm and Meter section of Bruce Taggart's excellent Coursera course 'Getting Started with Music Theory': https://www.coursera.org/learn/music-theory
That's really helped with writing down rhythms and knowing which time signatures to use.
You'll need lots of practice materials, and for that I recommend this excellent free book:
"Eyes and Ears" by Ben Crowell
http://www.lightandmatter.com/sight/sight.html
which is a lovely collection of real melodies in increasing order of difficulty for practising.
You can download a pdf for free, or there's a high-quality printed version available from Lulu for $7.39.
Finally, I should say that Mark's book is mainly focussed on singing in Major Keys (or the Ionian Mode), where it excels. There are short sections on the minor key and on figuring the sounds of chromatic notes, but I didn't find them very useful.
Although Mark uses numbers instead of do, re, me, his system is morally do-based minor.
When it came to learning how to sight-sing Minor Keys and in the various modes (which are very important in the folk music that I like), I decided for theoretical reasons (***) that I preferred the idea of:
La-based minor (or 6-based minor for me!)
(again, Bruce Taggart explains this best) https://msu.edu/~taggartb/courses/Common/tonalsyllables.html
This has worked really well for me, and I've ended up with one system of singing that works for all songs.
But it's generally a method preferred by singers and schoolteachers and seems to be looked down on in academic and instrumentalist circles, who generally prefer the do-based minor method.
I can't comment on which is quicker, but la-based minor seems to be easier to start with, and easier to use in practice.
For the avoidance of doubt, I should say that I'm not being paid by, and in fact have never communicated with, any of the people whose stuff I am recommending. They're just the things that I found really useful out of all the things I tried, and it seems to me that they might be helpful to others starting on the same journey.
(*) When I started out, I knew lots and lots of songs, and could whistle and sing quite well, but the only sense in which I could read music was that (from primary school) I could read the treble clef from C4 to E5 in the sense that 'this note is an A so use two fingers and your thumb on a recorder'. Which was no help at all, especially since I'm invariably singing off the bass clef.
(**) actually the six months was spread out. I first read Mark's book about two years ago, and learning how to sing in major came quickly (about a month's work), although I wasn't very good at it.
That was actually good enough for choir purposes, since even though almost all our songs were modal, that allowed me to use printed music as a crib to remember things once I'd heard them.
Earlier this year I decided that I wanted to learn how to sing all the various modes and keys 'prima vista', researched various methods and looked for helpful tools, and I've been working on that for about five months solid.
(***) The fact that I could kind of already sing all the modes using Mark's method for the major key was the principal factor in deciding me that I wanted to use la-based (or 6-based) minor.
I also wanted to avoid the need to pre-analyse music to work out what mode it was in before being able to sing it, and I wanted to be able to sing things which were ambiguous in their modality.
Mode is a very subjective, slippery concept, whereas key signature is an objective, solid thing. It seems better to build on rock than sand!