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....could've been written for the Big Guy...
Kazianna Hesh clutched Drannin while the Super Dimensional Fortress plunged into the eye of the continua hurricane. If death rose up to claim her at last, she knew how to greet it; she was Zentraedi.
But instead, what she thought at first to be a hallucination manifested itself before her. She saw mighty Breetai as she had first seen him, unscarred and unbeatable, leading the legions of the Zentraedi to victory.
As she saw and heard her love again, watched him leave his mark, huge and unique, on galactic history, Kazianna came to realize that it was no dream or specter. Somehow she was seeing across the conventional boundaries to points on the timestream where he still existed.
She witnessed again the terrible battle in which Zor died, the great slaughter of Dolza's fleet, Breetai's triumphs in the Malcontent Uprisings and the Sentinels War.
She saw herself again, too, as she went to him on Fantoma and awakened love in him as he already unknowingly had in her. She saw how he had become truly happy for the first time then.
There was no hard and fast linearity to the scenes. She was seeing many times and places where Breetai was in effect alive still and would always be so—as Lang had intended, though Kazianna knew nothing of that at the moment.
She saw him presiding like some war god at the post-battle revels of the Zentraedi, proud of his conquests and yet weighted, always, by the burden of his leadership. Nevertheless, Kazianna knew a fierce joy that some part of him would preside forever in the halls of victory.
And she saw him brooding, about to enter his final contest against the Invid Regent, and knowing that this time the Shapings had a different outcome in store for him.
She felt Drannin stir in her arms. "Is that man my father?" Is. That was the right word. She understood now that he was no more lost to her than if he were on some far shore. She was still with him in many times and places and knew a certainty that she would be again.
"Yes. That is Great Breetai."
The child was silent for a long moment, then his voice rang out across the barrier between them. "Hail, Breetai!" At that moment Breetai's head rose from his preoccupations, and one of his very rare smiles touched his lips. He had known, going to his death, that his wife carried his son. Now Kazianna had no doubt that somehow he had heard the boy's voice across time.
She held herself very erect. "Yes, hail, Breetai." But she said it with a lover's softness.
RN - The Sentinels: End of the Circle
In all presentations....he lives on.
What can you add to that except...
HAIL BREETAI!!!!
...it's stories being told.
An Impossible Task. A Grand Vision.
I have been given an impossible task.
The United Earth Government has divided our military and given me the lesser half. The lion’s share of what remains of our military has been seconded to the Expeditionary Force under the Hunters. What remains shall fall under my Army of the Southern Cross. The dregs, militia and reserves are mine to command. They are all I have with which to defend humanity and Earth.
So now I must repeat the monumental task I have already performed once. I must reforge an army from the remnants of the world. I must perform the same miracle twice and transform my Southern Cross Group into a global army. Worse still, I am expected to do so with almost no resources.
Even in the face of this problem, I am determined to solve it. I will reform the military from the ground up. A new force with new weapons. New designs. New technology. I will form an image anew of a military that will inspire the masses. To invoke pride and passion within the people. To speak to history and culture we had. An image of power and strength. I will take who and what I can find from among those not given to Hunters wherever I can to help me in this task. I will grind out every inch of blood, sweat and talent from the people of earth.
It will take years of training and construction and I will need to temper this new army in the crucible of battle. Sadly, the only anvil is the fractured world I must keep watch over. Poor sport for those who may have to one day defend this planet from an alien invasion that could have the same destructive power as the Zentraedi.
But when I am done, My Army of the Southern Cross will stand proud and defiant. The backbone of humanity and the greatest defenders of mankind. And I will be their leader.
– From the memoirs of Anatole Leonard ‘The Price of Greatness.’
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A question that can bring many answers.
Did Leonard succeed in his vision?
Definitely a chip on his shoulder over the mission to Tirol.
On the other hand, from those who were aboard SDF-3...how many would have wanted to serve an Earth run by the future Supreme Commander???
So many questions....which means....more stories to talk about!
THIS SAGA CANNOT BE CONTAINED BY JUST 85 EPISODES!!!!
VIVA ROBOTECH!!!✌️
The Veritech Fighter I have envisioned for years now has been a variant of the A-10 Thunderbolt and not the F-14 Tomcat...(kudos to Jack McKinney for never specifying.👍 )
Thank you to Strange Machine Games for giving that vision a voice!
The Thunderstrike (AKA the “Robohog”) is a first-generation 2-Mode ground-attack Veritech, proposed before the First Robotech War as a complement to the Valkyrie. It stands 14 m tall. Development was halted at the prototype stage due to the war, but the design was resurrected by the budding Southern Cross group in order to quickly deploy their own aerial Veritech. The Thunderstrike served valiantly during the Malcontent Uprisings, but it was soon clear that the design was outdated; it was removed from active duty only a few short years into its service. During the Second Robotech War, several hundred were kept in reserve in case they were needed. Some regional armed forces still use them, although a few units have ended up in the hands of various rogue separatist groups and terrorist cells.
Weapons
GU-10 Gun Pods: The Thunderstrike is equipped with 2 of these heavy Mecha-Class guns. Each fires a high-velocity round smaller than that of the GU-11. In Attacker Mode, they are mounted to the underside of the craft, but can be pulled up into each hand in Battloid Mode. If both weapons can fire at the same target within Short Range, ignore 1 point of Armor. They have a Range of Long. [H] [H] [P0/1]
Tactical Missiles: A small complement of Tactical Missiles can be mounted on Hardpoints attached to the underside of both wings. [H]
Anti-Aircraft Laser Turret: Two laser guns sit in the tail in Attacker Mode and behind the neck in Battloid Mode for defense against airborne threats. Their Range is Short, but can fire further. The lasers inflict 2x Light damage. [E] [H]
Punch: The Thunderstrike’s hands are massive. It can make Mecha-Class punch Attacks in Melee without penalty when in Battloid Mode. [M]
Features
Transformation: The Thunderstrike has a 2-Mode transformation capability. Gain the benefits for transformation found on M165.
Attacker: Its Attacker Mode is heavily modeled after the venerable A-10 Thunderbolt II ground-attack aircraft, but it differs by having a flattened nose. Like its ancestor, it is designed for close air support to ground troops.
Battloid: Battloid is used in close combat with ground targets. The large engines end up on the back as a giant jet pack. The wings angle from the shoulders like racks of missiles. The Thunderstrike does not have an in-between Guardian Mode.
Atmosphere Only: The Thunderstrike is not built to withstand the vacuum of space and lacks the Vernier Thrusters to maneuver in low gravity. It has an escape index of .7 Gravitational Units.
Indexing Hands: In Battloid Mode, a hand deploys on each arm. The hand is fully functional. It can be used to pick up objects and has a sensitivity of .5 kg.
Robotech RPG : HOMEFRONT
I can dig this...might add a few things here and there...like a "Skull One" color scheme...I am so in!
I have to say again...the writing really brings things to live...especially with the Thuderstrike.
VIVA ROBOTECH!!!✌️
What do you all think the current state of the Robotech fandom is?
I'll admit I was hopeful after The Shadow Chronicles movie was released, but it has never been followed up. So I actually checked out of the fandom in 2013 (after Love Live Alive).
...these are the guys who have a lot of the blame (along with the original Zor) for the mess they bring upon our little planet.
Robotech Master: The highest rank within the Tirolian Empire, they are the ultimate authority. At the very top is the Robotech Masters Triumvirate themselves, who have long since ascended to the peak of power, obtaining functional immortality and unlimited wealth. The supreme command of the Tirolean Legions and Zentraedi is theirs and theirs alone with power carefully assigned to their trusted Legates and Counselors. The Masters lead their people with an iron fist with the original Masters, the Elders, acting as advisors, ceremonial figureheads, and leaders of the Senate who coordinate the vast schemes of the Empire’s ambition. Directly under the Masters serve the Council of the Robotech Masters, a cabinet of ministers comprised of several Triumvirates, each masters of a single aspect of Tirolean society, dictating policy and leaving it to the lower levels to enforce. These include the Science Masters, Clone Masters, War Masters, Security Masters, Politician Masters, and so on.
ROBOTECH: HOMEFRONT
Absolute power...
For me it's a case of simple addiction and not so much about a power base but to Zor's discovery...that Protoculture must be some serious stuff in your blood stream.
Creating a society that was under your spell...would it be fair to dub the Tirolean clones as....ZOMBIES?
I'll leave that to you to chime in on!
Oh and if you want the book...(I HIGHLY recommend it!)...it's on Amazon to purchase.
As I go through this...some really great reading even if you are not an RPGer.
VIVA ROBOTECH!!!✌️
Simple.
Which episodes from each of the 3 sagas is your favorite and which do you loathe?
The new sheriffs of the Earth post First Robotech War...
The Army of the Southern Cross has its roots in an organization called the Southern Cross Group. The Southern Cross was founded in the wake of the Rain of Death by UEDF survivors located at the Antarctica Base. Once they acquired resources and personnel from bases and scavenging, Colonel Anatole Leonard led them through South America. They regrouped with other units, recruited, and trained militia across the sector. For years, the Southern Cross fought a fierce war against Malcontent Zentraedi and human rebels. The group became known for its dedicated and skillful soldiers, excellent execution of tactics, and brutal efficiency. In the wake of warlord Khyron’s destruction of the SDF-1, 2, Admiral Gloval, and a large number of the general staff, the UEG called on Colonel Leonard to pave the way to the future for the UEDF.
In the global military reorganization that followed, the UEG split its armed forces into two separate combat arms under the UEDF banner. The United Earth Expeditionary Force formed the arm of the UEDF operating in deep space. Meanwhile, the part that remained on Earth was reorganized as a dedicated planetary defense force. Led by now-Supreme Commander Leonard, this arm was modeled after his previous successful Southern Cross Group and assumed the moniker Army of the Southern Cross in his honor. Each branch focused on a single objective. The UEEF as the space-based agency would combat enemy forces in deep space, while the ASC was responsible for peacekeeping, law enforcement, and planetary defense.
ROBOTECH: HOMEFRONT
Personal story....I lived in South America shortly after I was introduced to Robotech being able to catch when it just debuted where I was living. I was able to see the Southern Cross constellation in all its glory and for me, it was a constant reminder of the Robotech Saga.
Before the Masters arrival...I could have maybe....somewhat embraced that the ASC was a viable force.
But when the Zentraedi's overlords finally made their appearance...outmatched....and a toss up on who outclassed who....but it either way, not by much!
VIVA ROBOTECH!!!✌️
This is one of the banners that artists are given when they do panels and booths at conventions and stuff. It was signed by Timothy Chiasson. I have several works of art by him and this banner wasn't drawn by him, but it is one of the cooler ones I have picked up with his signature!
Bought this at a collectors fair for $8.
Started watching again and something popped in my head. So it makes sense why in the macros part humans would have transformable mecha with the size of the zentraedi. The masters obviously wouldn’t think the zentraedi need transformable due to their numbers and size. Now the other sagas why wouldn’t the masters and Invid have at least some transformable mecha especially after seeing the humans. On the other hand why would humans keep using transformable mecha after the size advantage is negated fighting different aliens.
And I can't believe I slept on this show for so long it was good all the way to the end which I wasn't crazy about but I didn't think it was bad but now it's need more what's next? Do I get the Macross manga?
I recently posted a long-form, stream-of-consciousness series of thoughts from a rewatch of The Macross Saga.
It was fun to get my thoughts out in writing, and engage with fellow Robotech fans in the subreddit, especially since in the circles I run in in "real life" I don't have other sci-fi/anime/Robotech enthusiasts to engage with. So this is a follow-up, getting my thoughts out on the sequel chapter, "The Masters."
Warning: this is a long-form, stream-of-consciousness post. So be wary if that type of post irritates you. 🙂Sharing thoughts with others with similar interests is just one of the last few small, humanistic sources of pleasure in a life that's otherwise just the monotony of servitude and subservience to our corporate overlords.
Spoilers aplenty. Please don't read anything below if you consider any plot points from The Macross Saga, The Masters, or The New Generation to be spoiler territory.
Since the series has been posted on YouTube, it's been super convenient to watch, and after finishing The Macross Saga, I immediately moved on to The Masters Saga (I will buy the series eventually, just for the moral satisfaction from financially "supporting" good entertainment).
From my first post, a couple of commenters shared their feeling that The Macross Saga is truly iconic to the point that it alone almost equates with "Robotech," and the subsequent chapters are held in lesser esteem. I am generally of the same opinion. I remember on my first viewing of Robotech, when I was somewhere in the 8 - 10 range, I was surprised/unhappy/irritated by the switch from The Macross Saga to The Masters saga, I think mostly because of the sudden loss of that core group of characters that we'd grown to understand over a long stretch of time. I rewatched the series somewhere in my mid-20s...but I don't have any particularly strong memories from that watch. So I wanted to give a go at an earnest, from-scratch, unbiased watch of The Masters saga.
Now having watched the whole chapter, how do I start spilling my guts about The Masters Saga...
Overall, I feel that The Masters was a disappointment.
I can earnestly say that I went in with the intent to watch this chapter with fresh eyes and an open mind. But I very quickly came to those same feelings of dislike that I remember from my first childhood viewing. And that's a real shame, because I think the larger Robotech mythos that it's trying to reveal is quite interesting.
I wish that my review could be purely logical; I wish I could be strictly rationale in constructing my arguments, like a Vulcan, but I can't. So let me get this out of the way early: Dana Sterling's voice really, really irritated me from the get go. It was not a great way to start. I tried hard to put aside that instinctive irritation her voice triggered in me...something about literally the pitch or tone of her voice just rubbed me the wrong way. I am just not a fan of the direction that her voice actress chose to go with this character. I know in Japan, there is subtle social pressure for women to speak in high-pitch voices, and I wonder whether there was some "carryover" expectation to continue that even in the American dub.
But in my defense, I don't think it wasn't Dana's voice alone why I disliked her. To me, the combination of her voice, but more importantly, her flippant attitude, and her ditzy personality just mixed into a sour combination for me.
There's an oddly specific recurring theme in the first several episodes of Dana telling her squad that they are "getting out of practice" and need to "go out and get more practice," which leads them to going out on patrol, then adventures ensue. Something about those phrases: "getting out of practice" and "getting more practice" just feels very contrived and unrealistic for some reason...and I understand this is all kid/teen-oriented, so obviously things are simplified...but those phrases in particular somehow stand out to me as noteworthily unrealistic and awkward.
Episode 1 was the writers attempt to bridge between The Macross Saga and The Masters. I'm sure it was well-intentioned, but it just didn't work for me. It came across as just a reminder of how much I missed my beloved Macross Saga characters, and I didn't feel like it did anything (that worked) to endear the new cast to the viewer, other than ham-fistedly trying to impress upon us that this blonde, bouffanted nitwit is Max and Miriya's grown-up daughter.
I noticed somewhere in the first few episodes, they play fast and loose with ranks. Somewhere in the early episodes (sorry, I'm too unmotivated to go back and rewatch to find out specifically which episode(s)), Angelo Dante is referred to as corporal, then later as sergeant. I suppose there could have been an off-screen promotion...maybe a cut scene where he was promoted...but the cynical side of me thinks this was just the writers being careless.
As politely as I can say this, so as not to be crass, I will admit that I'm an admirer of the female form. In several episodes, we see Dana Sterling's actual boobage and nipples in a shower scene! 😳 I do not object to this. But I will confess that Dana had already just irritated me so much - for the reasons I mentioned above - that it didn't come across as enticing or titillating. Very unlike Minmei's shower scene and Lisa Haye's blouse-unbuttoning scene. 😳
Speaking of Lisa Hayes, I wondered if I would find anyone on whom I would develop an anime-crush. Certainly not Dana. Nova Satori was cute, but her character wasn't much developed in a romantic direction. Marie Crystal piqued my curiosity at first: she was kind of cute, and a straight-laced, serious military woman, which harkened back to Lisa Hayes. But ultimately her character development was also very sporadic and inconsistent. She did flash very impressive cleavage, though.😳😁
Musica is definitely cute. But with her, again...somehow her character development just didn't go in directions where I got a real feeling for who she is. And without that depth of character, at least I was unable to form any particularly strong feelings or affection for her. She is super cute, though.
The girl you take home to meet the parents
I think that general problem I had with this chapter of Robotech is that character development is, in general, shallow, sporadic, and inconsistent. There are no character development arcs that are sufficiently sustained and consistent to develop much in the way of affection or attachment. Certainly nothing to match how expertly main and supporting characters' characters were explored in The Macross Saga. The closest character, I think, who was given sustained and consistent character exploration in The Masters was Rolf Emerson: somewhat considerable time was spent showing him explicitly expressing his anti-war/pro-negotiation sentiment, or internally monologuing about it. I don't think the same could be said for any of the main characters, though.
At first, I was intrigued by Bowie Grant's character. In this modern era of contrived "diversity" in entertainment, I like that Robotech effortlessly, realistically, and unobtrusively represented diversity in its cast. But sadly, I felt that in the end Bowie's character was completely wasted. For me, he joined Dana Sterling as a character who just irritated me. With Bowie, also, it was also partly his voice, and partly his voice actor's line delivery. I felt like he inappropriately delivered his lines with a "aww shucks, golly gee, well gollee, I'm just glad to be here" inappropriate naivete that just irritated the hell out of me. I wish I could cite specific episodes/lines to back up what I'm saying, but I wasn't exactly taking notes as I was watching, and I didn't mean this essay to be a serious/fully cited type of work...and I'd consider it a form of mild torture to have to go back and re-watch any of these episodes from The Masters. 🥺
Dana Sterling is just...I don't know what to make of this character, what the writers did with her. I get that she's set up as this brash, rides-against-the-grain, doesn't-like-to-follow-rules, everything-is-a-lark character. But there's usually a redemption arc, where that type of character is thrust into situations that force them to rise to the occasion and assume the responsibilities of their position. Either that, or that character's rebelliousness is essential to subverting outdated ideas/traditions. I didn't see any of that with Dana. She was just this odd combination of defiant but ditzy. Out of the blue, she had a crush on a GMP undercover agent that lasted an episode or so until he died, in response to which, she mildly moped. Then out of the blue, she had a crush on Zor. Slightly embarrassingly, it was the narrator who first injected the notion that Dana was developing feelings for Zor, rather than the episodes themselves allowing this to be organically revealed. What I'm getting at is is that Dana is perpetually a blank canvas, on whom the writers continually foist uncharacteristic behaviors and plot points. There's nothing wrong with the opposites attracting plot, or characters who are initially antagonistic towards each other becoming close - I would argue that those are almost as deeply-held storytelling tropes as the famous "hero's journey". In fact The Macross Saga implemented both these tropes with the Rick/Minmei and Rick/Lisa relationships. But the key difference was that The Macross Saga took the time to let those relationships percolate...it put the characters in situations where they would realistically have to come together, find common ground, and therefore ignite the initial sparks of comity, then love. With The Masters, it seemed more like the writers went, "Oh hey, we need to throw in a romance subplot to keep the same vibe as The Macross Saga, let's make Dana have a crush on this character." Dans's romantic relatioships/crushes felt contrived and unearned. She was an interesting premise with an insufficient payoff.
On a similar note, it was oddly abrupt how it was revealed that Marie Crystal and Sean Phillips were an item. But in fairness, their relationship was used to good effect in a couple of episodes when Marie and Sean had to say potentially-final farewells before they went off to battle. But here, again, I felt this was another interesting premise with an insufficient payoff: Marie and Sean's relationship was not a dominant or recurring plot point, so I felt limited "investment" in them.
Ugh...what can I say about the Captain Komodo/Nova Satori subplot with Dana playing matchmaker? This just felt embarrassing. On the one hand, it could have been very interesting to have promoted a very background character, like Captain Komodo, to a secondary or maybe even main character because of this romantic/matchmaking plot. But ultimately, it was like, this Komodo character was briefly elevated to B-character, for what, like one or two episodes, only to slink back to background character (was he ever seen again?). The whole affair was handled in an irritating, slapstick manner. What the hell was the point of it all???
I was irritated how The Master played fast and loose with the notion of androids and the Zentraedi. Around episode 8/9, Dana and her squad have a discussion where they refer to the Zentraedi along the lines of "not being real/alive/having souls" because they're androids, when it's already been established that they're genetically identical to humans, so they're obviously "real" living things, not androids. I get it, though: it was the 80s, and behind the scenes, kids TV show writers had differing levels of regard for the show's bible and established canon, and their audience's intelligence, and ability to grasp things like continuity and a consistent narrative. So they played fast and loose with terms they possibly didn't themselves properly understand, like "aliens," "clones," and "androids." It was irritating, though, because I don't think the writers revealed this level of casual carelessness or disregard in The Macross Saga.
In Episode 9, "Metal Fire," the Robotech Masters make this completely baffling, out-of-left-field statement that they "have no desire to harm the humans and only want the protoculture," and "why don't the humans understand this?" To me, this was baffling, because it's completely incongruous with all their prior behavior! They've basically sent out their bioroids, guns blazing, at every opportunity. Moreover, in episode 12, they are back to saying that they want to destroy humanity. One of the Masters even says something to the effect "humans are so stupid, the universe wouldn't mind if such a stupid species was eradicated." What on earth made the writers think their audience would accept this back-and-forth attempt at reframing the Robotech Masters' character and motivations?
I can't remember the specifics, but I seem to remember at some point, Bowie went off to play piano to vent his frustrations, and I seem to recall Bowie angrily playing piano coming off as unintentional comedy.
I was unimpressed with The Masters' attempt at making "cool" armor.
I get what they're going for: it's a play on the valkyrie type of stylized helmet. To me, though, there's a fine line in this dance between form and function, and to me, this just failed. In The Macross Saga, the military uniforms were quite credibly function over form, and because it was the first chapter in Robotech, it set the tone, and the ground rules and the premise for the franchise, so the jump from a world where function took precedence over form, to a world where form took precedence over function is jarring at minimum. I do appreciate that this could all be justified in-universe, because, e.g., during an extended period of peace, it is quite reasonable that a society might transition from function-over-form to form-over-function. But ultimately: these "feathered" helmets just didn't do it for me.
There were a handful of moments/episodes where there were awkward jumps in tone from serious to slapstick. This tonal inconsistency added to my difficulty liking The Masters. I can't remember every incident, but just as one example are those moments when Dana kicks the feet out from under one of her crew's (I think Sean Phillips and Angelo Dante) legs, leading to a "hilarious" anime-esque fall-on-back/butt.
The Masters' transforming veritech hover tanks just didn't quite do it for me. Their fighter jets are also just fine, but in a "meh" way. The "AJAX" transforming assault chopper was marginally more interesting, but ultimately still very "meh." The Masters' mecha simply don't touch the baddassery of the Macross Saga's transforming veritech fighters.
There are cringey moments of unintentional comedy, for example when, I think, Dana is supposed to be expressing sincere heartbreak, but does it with cringey, awkward lines like, "Oh Zor, you two-timing alien," or "Oh Zor, you stupid alien." 🤦♂️
Rolf Emerson's "relationship" with Bowie was weird. I suspect that the American dub introduced a relationship (godfather/godson) that might not have existed in the original, so there was insufficient material to portray this relationship onscreen. As a result, there were just weird moments when out of the blue, Bowie gets angry when the rest of his team talks about Emerson...and Emerson stalks his godson, listening to him play piano while sitting outside his dorm. Just weird.
Speaking of weird, what the hell was with that ultra short, poorly-explained subplot of Zor revealing Musica to the GMP? Like Zor stands there smirking when Dana confronts him about it...there's just no credible build-up to this behavior/action from Zor, and there's no payoff explanation for why he does it, either.
The triumvirate relationship is poorly explained. I thought it was implied that the three individuals who constitute a triumvirate are clones. Certainly the "main" three Robotech Masters all look like one another. Musica, and her sisters, and Carno and his brothers, and random guards and citizens, etc. all physically appear to be duplicates of each other (the only difference being hair color and clothing). But then there are other triumvirates where they are obviously not clones: the clones are two dudes and a woman. What exactly is the deal here?
One of these things is not like the others...
I feel like I've been shitting on The Masters quite a lot in this rant of mine.
I'm tired.
I think I need to rest, reset, and calm down a little.
Let me pivot now, to some of the positives.
I do think the writers/artists/etc. were quite successful in portraying the "alienness" of the Robotech Masters' culture. Over the course of the show, we see of the Robotech Masters, this weird, odd, cloning/triplet aspect to their culture/biology. Musica's music also feels nicely "alien" and "otherworldly," while somehow also oddly alluring. It was also quite an interesting conceit that Musica's music was used to regulate the mood of the masses. Overall, I felt that the Robotech Masters' culture was portrayed in a satisfyingly "uncanny" manner. Because they are physically human, as viewers, we naturally latch on to that...but the "alienness" of their cloning/music/culture/etc. puts them right on the border of what can find common ground with.
The alien voice effect of members of the Robotech Master's race is kinda cool.
In all fairness to Dana, whom I've shit on a lot in this essay, there was an episode, maybe somewhere around episode 12/13, where Dana doubles-back in the middle of heated battle to back up or retrieve one of her crew who's been trapped or left behind. Honestly, that went a long way to me warming up to Dana, but unfortunately, the bad writing for Dana's character simply outweighed the good, and I still ended up with a net negative impression of her.
The antagonistic relationship between Commander Leonard and Major General Emerson was the closest I think I could find to being a compelling relationship. Leonard was credibly built up as an antagonist because of his blustery, aggressive, attack-first, and come-back-dead-or-don't-come-back-at-all demeanor. And Leonard was credibly portrayed as conflicted military man: his personal honor and code of conduct forcing his commitment to the military and fidelity to duty, even when he personally disagreed with it.
For the brief, very brief, time that Marie Crystal's and Sean Phillips' romance took center stage, I must admit, I quite enjoyed their flirty, feisty banter.
Close to concluding here, I have to return to negative aspects of the show, because, ultimately, the overall impression that The Masters left on me was negative:
A sign of the poor writing, poor direction, or poor something about The Masters, I was left completely confused about the nature of protoculture and the Invid Flower of Life.
Explanation of protoculture and the Flower of Life goes back and forth between the narrator and in-episode revelation. Between the two, I feel that this crucial aspect of Robotech mythos is repeatedly rewritten, retconned, and self-contradicted. This, ultimately, I think is the most central, most fundamental, most critical failure of The Masters.
Arguably, the main job of The Masters -- the middle act that must credibly connecting the introductory and concluding chapters that we know are taken from unrelated original Japanese anime -- is revealing the relationship between protoculture and the Flower of Life. Protoculture was one of the main plot threads/mysteries from The Macross Saga, and the Flower of Life (per my vague memories) is one of the main plot threads from The New Generation. But what a terrible mess it makes of this important responsibility. Over the course of The Masters, I heard protoculture described as the Masters' power source, as mutating the Flower of Life, as being mutated by the Flower of Life, as being what the Invid were after. I heard the Flower of Life being described as feeding on protoculture, as needing it to grow, as being poisoned/corrupted by it, as being mutated by it, as being what the Invid were after. I could be wrong and just venting out of frustration, but I think there might have even been a line that the protoculture created the Flower of Life. What the actual hell???
So, in the end, my overwhelming feelings from watching The Masters was disappointment and frustration. A lot of promising premises wasted with poor, sloppy, slaptstick execution, and insufficient narrative payoff. Many things were improperly, or contradictorily explained. Characters had inconsistent characterization. The most core, most central McGuffin was poorly explained. Inappropriate/out-of-place slapstick comedy. The romance subplots didn't really stick. Not even the mecha were cool.
Overall, what a disappointment it was. It just didn't "work" for me. How differently I felt about The Masters versus how I felt about The Macross Saga. I was glad when The Masters was over; disappointed at the many underwhelming payoffs to promising plot points, and glad to not have to tolerate so many irritating characters. Whereas with the Macross Saga, I was narratively satisfied when it ended, and emotionally gutted at not spending time with the cast of characters I had grown to love.
To be honest, the experience of watching The Masters has somewhat taken the wind out of my sails, and I'm not sure how enthusiastic I am about watching The New Generation. I probably will, though, and I do seem to remember liking The New Generation significantly more than The Masters, but not quite as much as The Macross Saga, and The New Generation's overall plot hasn't "stuck" with me through the years in the same way that The Macross Saga's plot has.
...And with that, I think I might have finished pouring out my thoughts on The Masters. Thank you to those who tolerated and read another of my little rants! 🙂
Back when I first saw the Veritech Cyclone, it was the heyday of the Kawasaki Ninja and Honda Interceptor motorcycles...
And the New Generations mechamorphosis king became my dream Christmas gift!!!!
"Originally one of Robotechnology's first creations, it had undergone some radical modifications under Lang's SDF-3 teams. The Expeditionary Force had come to rely upon the vehicle as much as it had on the Veritech fighters, even though its design was still a basic one: a hybrid piston and Protoculture-powered transformable motorcycle that was a far cry from the Hovercycles developed on Earth during the same time period. Unlike that Southern Cross marvel, the Cyclone required the full interaction of its pilot, whose "thinking cap" and specially designed armor were essential to the functioning of the vehicle's Protoculture-based mechamorphic systems. In addition, it was light enough to carry, and wondrously fuel-efficient....
...Scott Bernard felt two emotions vying for his attention when he saw the Cyclone rider and the Invid Scouts: elation that he had found one of his Mars Division comrades and rage at the sight of the enemy. He couldn't figure out why the rider wasn't reconfiguring but knew that the situation called for immediate action. Lowering the helmet visor, he engaged the mecha's turbos. For a moment the Cyclone was up on its rear wheel, then it went fully airborne. At the same time, Scott's mind instinctively found the vibe that allowed it to interface with the cycle's Protoculture systems.
Helped along by the imaging Scott's mind fed the Cyclone via the helmet "thinking cap," the mecha began to reconfigure. The windscreen and helmet assembly flattened out; the front wheel disengaged itself from the axle and swung back and off to one side. The rear wheel, along with most of the thruster pack, rode up, while other components, including the wheel-mounted missile tubes, attached themselves to Scott's hip, leg, and forearm armor. In the final stage of mechamorphosis, he resembled some kind of airborne armored backpacker whose gear just happened to include two solid rubber tires and a jet pack."
RN - Invid Invasion
I know that Robotech Art 3 has a prototype Cyclone among its images....NO WAY...not in my Robotech story.
Mechamorphosis...thinking caps....THE VERITECHS!!!!!
THIS IS THE ROBOTECH EXPERIENCE!
VIVA MCKINNEY!✌️
VIVA ROBOTECH!!!✌️
So what are the best DVDs/Videos to get to encompass Robotech. I have the Macross Saga on DVD. I understand it was made up of different series put together. Is is possible / is there any value to getting the individual series or look for something that is just what Americans knew as Robotech. I've been working on collecting the old TV shows I grew up on top share with my kids and this transformers/Voltron/thunder cats/silver hawks is at the top of my list. Any help is appreciated!!
The Army of the Southern Cross's signature mech goes through its transformation...
"The Hovertanks were in the air now. "Switch to Gladiator mode!" Dana called over the tac net. In midair, the tanks shifted, reconfigured, mechamorphosed. When they landed, they were squat, two-legged, waddling gun turrets the size of a house, each with a single massive cannon stretching out before it. The big guns were the mecha's primary batteries, even more powerful than the tank cannon...
...Dana shook herself to get over the shock of it; two troopers dead in seconds, two mecha utterly destroyed, and the red bounding on to attack again. All right, Dana! she told herself firmly. Show 'em what you've got! "Dante, switch your team to Battloid mode, now!"
She did the same, jumping her mecha to a better firing position. The craft went through mechamorphosis in midair, taking on the form of a huge Human-shaped battleship, an ultratech knight. Half the 15th reared up now in Battloid form, the remainder hunkered down in Gladiator to give fire support."
RN - Southern Cross
This thing packs a wallop. It can carry its weight around like a prize fighter and can hit like a pro wrestler.
I do have a theory on its creation and its shorter stature than the its predecessor Veritech cousin the VF.
Given that it is originally a Robotech Expeditionary Force weapon, they were built in anticipation of facing the Masters' Bioroids.
As with VF...if you had a vision of the HT other than the animation....we await your comments!
BELIEVE IN THE POSSIBILITIES!
VIVA MCKINNEY!!!✌
VIVA ROBOTECH!!!!✌
There ya go....you sick bastards! LMAO!!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
One screen, this was probably THE MOMENT you knew Robotech was going to be a fun ride.
And then Jack McKinney put it to paper...
What he didn't realize, and couldn't see from the cockpit, was that the ship had begun undergoing a process Doctor Lang had dubbed mechamorphosis. It was no longer configured like a conventional fighter but had, instead, gone to Guardian-G-mode, on its way to B.
In this transitional state it resembled a great metal bird of prey, an eagle, with sturdy metal legs stretched to set down and wings deployed, humanlike arms and hands outstretched.
But before Rick could figure out what had happened or the fighter could complete the shift to B, the Veritech crashed into the upper floors of an office building at an intersection in Macross City.
Fortunately, the alert had the population indoors or underground in the sprawling shelter system, and so no one was killed. The Guardian carved a path of devastation through the upper stories of an entire block, its fantastically strong armor and construction resisting damage.
Bricks, concrete, and girders flew in all directions; clouds of plaster went up like a dust storm. Signs crashed down, and broken plumbing gushed; severed power lines spat and snapped. The Guardian's engines cut out as the machine became aware of its situation and reacted to emergency programming.
Rick Hunter could still feel the plane shifting, changing, all around him. In fact, in some way he couldn't figure out, he could sense it—could actually feel it.
Rick sat where he was, realizing that he didn't know how to eject, even if the system was a "zero-zero" type that would let him survive a standstill ground-level ejection, which was far from the case.
It felt as if the crazy Robotech fighter was coming to a stop; he readied himself for a quick escape, not wishing to be in the neighborhood if a few tons of highly volatile jet fuel suddenly took a notion to catch fire. But the Robotech ship had one last surprise for him; the relatively smooth slide became a lurch as the plane snagged on some final obstruction. The fighter heaved, and Rick's helmeted head slammed into the instrument panel.
If he hadn't been wearing the flight helmet, it would have been the end. As it was, he saw stars and nearly lost consciousness.
But the Veritech was unhurt. With a creaking of girders and the racket of tons of rubble being moved, the machine began to extricate itself. The mechamorphosis to B mode was complete, and the fighter was now a Battloid.
It looked for all the world like a man in armor, a supertechnological knight sixty feet tall. The electric gatling gun that had been pod-mounted under the Veritech's belly was now aligned along its right arm, the giant right hand gripping it like an outlandish rifle.
RN - Genesis
Now that's the power of the Robotech Novels!!!
When I think of the many fans whose first (and possibly ONLY) incursion into the Robotech Saga was through the books....I wonder what fighter jet was imagined from the words written.
If you are one that did imagine it different to the show....I REALLY want to hear about it!👍🙂
Disney buys out Harmony Gold and now has the license for all things Robotech
They're going to put a series on Disney+
Who would you cast for the Main characters in New Generation?
This Flower of Life What magic does it contain? What journey awaits?