[Mainly Pact because demons but other parts might touch on Pale because of practice talk]

Before I even start I will say that for ease of communication I will refer to Otherverse Demons as Destroyers because that is an alternate name in canon and Abrahamic demons as devils because that sounds like something a practitioner would call it to differentiate it.

Ok so what got me on this line of thinking is that from Pact we know that gods exist and are born from belief, power, and creation magic in various amounts depending on the origin of the god. Some start as something else and gain worship or gain a realm and grow to become a god later or just cosmic rounding errors. We even have an example of a god in Pact with Dionysus.

So does that mean the Christian God exist( let's not quibble about different denominations, he may have split into multiple gods because that is a thing gods can can do or is so wrapped in contradictory patterns). We also know briefly from Pale that some parts of the Vatican are practitioners. So maybe he exist but more importantly does that mean the devil exist? I think the Devil most likely split apart or is inactive now considering the fact that different name and actions( plus folk beliefs such as selling your soul).

However if the Devil exist that means that he can create divine servants like Dionysus's satyrs, Bacchae, and Maenads. Does that mean that devils can exist as an Other? A succubus to seduce or some elemental creature of burning flame.

A side note that is much more speculatory is that I can see a bunch of sub realms forming around demon lords as that idea has been around since medieval times with occult text describing demon lord, princes, presidents and such. Of course some of those names are taken by the Destroyers so I don't know how that would work.

Things similar to a devil with Others:

Fae especially the dark courts would love to dress up as them. Some already like pretending to be vampires despite vampires existing in the world so it's not that far fetched.

I can see some red colored goblins using the motif to fuck with people

I could also see some Karmic Others( those that punish transgressions mainly) appearing in devilish garb to terrify their victims

Boogemen might look the part sometimes

And of course there are too many seductive Others that may pretend to be a succubus.

Earth Bet and the Twigverse, both at the start of their respective canons, suddenly have portals opened to each other.

Round 1: The portals open in the most populous cities of each country in Earth Bet. The Crown was notified one month ahead of time, and has been given that time to prepare. Dimensional travel can access the Twigverse.

Round 2: No Contessa, No Endbringers, No Scion. Earth Bet is given ten months to prepare, the portals open in the most populous cities of each country in the Twigverse.

Round 3: 1980 Earth Bet vs 1900 (20 years before canon) Twig. Two portals emerge, one in the middle of the Atlantic, one in the middle of the Pacific. No one is aware of them until discovery.

Bonus Round: Ten Primordials vs Scion.

So I've been listening to Worm for the second time. I'm currently on the Colony arc and have noticed things that I didn't get or didn't internalize the first time.

Life would be so much easier if I didn’t give a damn about other people’s well-being.

- Taylor Hebert while terrorizing Triumph, his parents, his girlfriend and his little sisters at a family dinner​

1. The above caused me to nearly splutter all over my keyboard. It also neatly summarizes a lot of Taylor's behavior. She's not as bad as she could be; so, she and us, the audience, justify her actions. On one hand, she's very much a child in need of a trusted adult and she hasn't had one of those in a long time.
2. I dislike Alan Barnes more than Emma. Emma is twisted for sure and much of that is her own responsibility but Alan too has a responsibility to at least try to help her grow up straight. He knows Emma was traumatized by the ABB and even if Taylor's diary documenting the abuse wouldn't be admissible in a criminal court is is more than enough for him to be side-eyeing his daughter so hard that holes should have drilled through her head. What he's doing is the gardening equivalent of water a prized plant while its dying of root rot.
3. I'm not the biggest fan of Sophia's mom either. If only because Sophia isn't able to talk to her big brother about powers. Given how it is implied Sophia's stepdad treated her, I don't see her mother having much influence on her but her brother might. However we see way less of Sophia's mother, judging her properly is hard.\
4. The Brandish interlude - Not even getting into the stuff in Ward, let's be blunt: Carol in Worm is not a good parent, definitely not to Amy and probably not to Victoria either, given the implication that she see's her biological daughter as an extension of herself and is allowing her to patrol alone, leading to things like excessive violence on Vicky's part. (For all the flaws of the Wards, they work in groups and they have someone on console watching them.)
   1. At the same, it is also extremely messed up that her sister Sarah pressured her into adopting Amy, despite Carol's stringent protests. Sure, Marquis pointed out the danger to her but surely there's other heroes who could do it or PRT options? Potentially problematic, but Carol was having a panic attack when Sarah proposed her adopting Amy. Does Sarah have blinders as well?
5. Mark Dallon aka Flashbang is a bad ass. How he handled Bonesaw plus her creations? It was a thing of speed, efficiency and beauty. Also even before his mind was healed, he was trying to protect Amy. I have mixed feeling about him, given that he doesn't always take his depression medication (something that I too struggle with). At the same time, with Carol's dealings with even her own mental health and his kids being kids, I wonder about his support network. Still no one can question his ability to throwdown.
6. I don't hate Danny or think he's a particularly bad parent. His original screw-up post Annette's death is far from okay but it doesn't put him in the previous parent categories. It's really hard to parent a teenager because teenagers are capable of running away, which when he does try to push, she does. That being said, I consider below average.
7. Okay, okay, enough with parental observations.
8. The Slaughterhouse Nine arc... I can't believe I didn't catch this the first time, but that scene where Jack and Bonesaw are interacting with the amnesiac Skitter? I don't think Jack was just trying to get to kill Battery or use her knowledge and powers to his advantage (though I'm sure those were perks). In fact, I think that was him giving her an impromptu audition. He's down a number of members of the Nine at this point and she shows up?
   1. If Skitter failed the audition... Well, Bonesaw was sooo disappointed when they weren't able to adopt Skitter last time they saw her. She'll be thrilled to bring her new pet home now. After all, Jack believes in rewarding his good girl.
   2. If Skitter succeeded... I honestly think Skitter did succeed. (I'm sure she'd have been thrilled if she found out.) I think her refusing to kill Battery was much more interesting to Jack than if she had. My bet is that if Skitter hadn't figured out who they were, Bonesaw would have had knocked her out before they reached Amy and next time she woke up, she and Hookwolf would have been rubbing elbows as part of the 'volunteered' Slaughterhouse Nine brigade.
   3. The former would make for interesting premise for an AU fic. If anything could get the Undersiders out of Brockton Bay, Taylor getting kidnapped might be it. Tattletale and Grue would probably go for it. Imp would come despite the latter's strenuous objections and that would increase the chances of Regent then Bitch joining. Next thing you have them and Dragon and Defiant chasing the Nine cross-country and maybe eventually coming to a taciturn alliance. If one wants extra malfunction, add a few members of E88 to the mix.
      1. *makes puppy eyes at fanfic writers*
      2. Damn, now I may have to write it.

I was wondering if anyone out there had already compiled an example of the various iconography and signage that's used across Pact and Pale. I was going to make my own on my next read through but if it's already there then I don't need to reinvent the wheel.

Did we ever learn about AJ Musser's remaining Implements, Familiars, and Demesnes ?

He had 15, 10, and 4 respectively but can only remember a handful of em even being mentioned, if not yall got any ideas for the remainder?

Ward-style portals begin opening up around the Crown Empire in the Twigverse, leading them to the came face-to-face with the Allies of WWII (disregard whatever is going with the Axis at the moment), and they decide to go to war with each other. Which side would win?

We're told that Kyushu has been destroyed but what does that mean exactly? Has the entire island been deleted or are there still patches left?

Do we have any information on how other regions are faring?

I've been working on a Fusion fic between Worm and Hanachirasu and I was thinking about where to set it. I def want to do it after Kyushu is ravaged because that lets me tell a story about broken characters destroying each other while their nation is also completely ravaged and getting worse.

I don't want to set in Tokyo because that would make it too easy and too similar to Hanachirasu itself.

My gut reaction was in some part of Kyushu that remains but like I said, I'm not sure if there's any part of Kyushu that remains. Another idea I had was Kyoto which would thematically work since it used to be the seat of Emperors but I'm not sure how devastated Kyoto will be.

The Slaughterhouse 9 thousand had a handful of clones that were a combination of two capes which gave the hybrid a unique power. It's such a cool concept, I wished it was explored more. Not just their powers, but what kind of a person they'd be.

What's a hybrid between any two parahumans that you would have liked to see?

I think a hybrid of Assault and Skidmark would be cool. They could be named Crash, with the power to charge objects and surfaces with kinetic energies that would expell that kinetic force when interacted with.

I was imagining duplication but I feel like that'd require somehow pushing the Butchers into the clone bodies

Since Tinkers exsist in Parahumans, shouldn't the parahumans universe be more technologicaly advanced than ours. I mean in terms of stuff like phones, weapons, amour and technology in general we use today. I know there is a law that prevents Tinkers from using their powers as a rogue. However, if they created technology for the government or government agencies wouldn't that mean that their tech would be integrated into human tech. Is it to hard to maintain? Or something else. Apart from PRT troops, all the other characters used human made technology with no influence to Tinker tech.

I'm not counting Saint and his pals since they heavily rely on tinkertech.

Is the public perception that parahumans are untouchable a Cauldron plot to limit loss of assets? Or do shards cheat and assist their hosts a little when facing noncapes? Maybe the types of people who could act in such a capacity are selected as hosts by shards?

I understand that having any ability that your opponent doesn't will make a fight lopsided, but so many parahumans are basically just baseline human that most often get taken down by human means. If someone were ruthless and clever enough, the only obstacle would be Thinker intervention.

Just a random observation, but can a parallel be drawn between Amy and Kevin Norton? As two timid gay individuals with less-than-stellar lives, given near-godlike power out of the blue, and utterly terrified of the impact and harm they could unintentionally do with it? And if so, how could they compare and contrast with each other?

His power is already rather strong, with many common limits such as range, time, number of targets, etc apparently not applying. However, it still can be worked around as we saw in canon, since it does not stop people from setting up situations where August Prince would be harmed "on his own", as well as simply immobilizing him. But what if his power not only stopped people from harming him, but also forced them to defend him from harm?

Assume that the power still has the full original effect, and the additional compulsion works similarly to Valefor's command - except it's always the same command, it applies automatically to anyone who becomes aware of impending harm to August Prince, and it only works on immediate harm&disappears after it's prevented (so people aren't forced to make him unaging but also can't drop him into another world to "protect" him from theoretical Endbringers/other immune beings coming to get him). And, of course, that compulsion doesn't override the baseline stopping effect - stopping is the default, no harming August Prince to protect him from greater harm.

Taking all that into an account, what do you think August Prince could/would have done with such power? What effects would it have on the world, with its potential to automatically compel large numbers of people/parahumans, including some rather powerful ones?

I finished Worm and while it's quite good, I am a part of the minority of people who hated protagonist throught the story. If I didn't know anything about the author and it was obscure fanfiction I would probably think that Taylor is a self-insert based on her plot armor, it's especially egregious with Coild and Alexandria situations, but it's present everywhere.

It's hard to search for fanfiction of Worm for me because so much of it on Spacebattles, so please recommend me some stories where Taylor and/or Undersiders fail and/or had to face realistic consequences for their actions.

So how would the powers change if every tinker was a thinker and every thinker was a tinker? They have the same trigger events, but the results are different

• for those who don’t know, tinker and thinker triggers are the same (mentally strenuous situations), except tinkers experiences mental strain over a long period of time.

Mine would probably be Coil (yes I know he’s not natural), whose tinker speciality focuses on second or “back-up” options. It’s extremely similar to Kid Win where his devices have more than one setting, but the second setting’s implemented so that he can alternate to it in case the first isn’t effective.

In Claw (no Claw spoilers), we hear mention of people trading and selling “Pact Cards,” which got me thinking about what “Pact the Gathering” would look like. I brainstormed what some of the cards and mechanics might be if Magic: the Gathering had a Pact set, and I’d love to hear some of your ideas or improvements. (If you want, check out and edit this Google Doc to your heart’s desire!)

Here’s a sampling of what I came up with:

Maggie Holt, Goblin Queen 3R

Legendary Creature — Human Warlock

3/3

Whenever Maggie Holt, Goblin Queen enters the battlefield, create two 1/1 red Goblin creature tokens.1R, T: Create a 1/1 red Goblin creature token

1R, sacrifice a Goblin: Put a Filth counter on target nonland permanent. (Permanents with Filth counters do not untap. At the beginning of your draw step, you may choose to pay 1 to untap a permanent with a Filth counter, or pay 3 to untap it and remove the Filth counter.)

Mechanics:

Filth counters (filth counters represent goblin influence) - Permanents with Filth counters do not untap. At beginning of draw step, player may choose to pay 1 to untap permanent with Filth counter, or pay 3 to untap permanent and remove Filth counter

Taint counters (a player receives a taint counter for engaging in diabolism) - if a player has 7 taint counters, they lose the game. 

Abyss counters (representing the steep price the Abyss exacts for granting boons) - Abyss counters are placed on a player and cause you to lose two life at the beginning of your end step for each one you have

Glamour tokens - Glamour artifact tokens have "1, T, Sacrifice this artifact: Target creature can't block or be blocked this turn.”

Good Karma tokens - Good Karma tokens are enchantment tokens that cause you to gain one life at the beginning of your end step. They can be sacrificed for 3 life to produce 2 mana, or sacrificed for 2 mana to give 3 life.

Bad Karma tokens - Bad Karma tokens are enchantment tokens that do one damage to you at the beginning of your end step. You may pay 2 mana, pay 3 life, or discard a card to sacrifice a Bad Karma token.

The Girl with the Checkered Scarf 1WB

Legendary Creature — Human

2/2

Fading 3 (This creature enters the battlefield with three fade counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a fade counter from it. If you can't, sacrifice it.) Whenever a fade counter is removed from The Girl with the Checkered Scarf, you may put a +1/+1 counter on another target creature you control.

Maggie Holt, Slightly Off 2URB

Legendary Creature — Human Faerie

4/4

First Strike, Lifelink

Sacrifice a Glamour token: Return Maggie Holt, Slightly Off from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped

Blake Thorburn, Doomed to Die 2GR

Legendary Creature — Human Rogue

3/5

Indestructible.

Whenever Blake Thorburn is dealt damage, put a doom counter on it. Then, if it has three or more doom counters on it, sacrifice it and create a Good Karma token. (Good Karma tokens are enchantment tokens that cause you to gain 1 life at the beginning of your end step. They can be sacrificed for 3 life to produce 2 mana, or sacrificed for 2 mana to give 3 life.)

Evan, Evasive Sparrow 1GW

Legendary Creature — Spirit Bird

1/2

Flying

Other creatures you control have haste and menace. 

T: Choose a color. Target creature gains protection from that color until end of turn.1GW: Regenerate Evan, Evasive Sparrow.

Wooden-Hearted Warrior Thorburn // Conquest-Minded Scholar Thorburn:

Wooden-Hearted Warrior Thorburn 4BR

Legendary Creature — Bogeyman Ally

5/3

Flying, Haste

When Wooden-Hearted Warrior Thorburn enters the battlefield or transforms into Wooden-Hearted Warrior Thorburn, add an Abyss counter and gain 3 life for each Abyss counter you have. (Abyss counters cause you to lose 2 life at the beginning of your end step for each one you have)Wooden-Hearted Warrior Thorburn gets -1/-1 for each Division counter on it.

4: Add a Division counter to Wooden-Hearted Warrior Thorburn and transform it.

Conquest-Minded Scholar Thorburn 4UW

Legendary Creature — Human Ally

3/5

Vigilance, Ward—Pay 3 life

When Conquest-Minded Scholar Thorburn enters the battlefield or transforms into Conquest-Minded Scholar Thorburn, draw a card and return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.Conquest-Minded Scholar Thorburn gets -1/-1 for each Division counter on it.

4: Add a Division counter to Conquest-Minded Scholar Thorburn and transform it.

Rose Thorburn Jr, Touched by Conquest 3WB

Legendary Creature — Human Scourge

4/4

Lifelink

Whenever Rose Thorburn Jr, Touched by Conquest deals combat damage to a player, that player may sacrifice a creature or discard a card. If they don't, you may gain control of target permanent that player controls.

Forswear 2B

Target creature loses all abilities and becomes a 1/1 creature who cannot attack or block with "At the beginning of your upkeep, create a Bad Karma token." (Bad Karma tokens are enchantment tokens that do one damage to you at the beginning of your end step. You may pay 2 mana, pay 3 life, or discard a card to sacrifice a Bad Karma token.)

Make an Oath W

Create a Good Karma enchantment token. (Good Karma tokens cause you to gain 1 life at the beginning of your end step. Good Karma tokens can be sacrificed for 3 life to produce 2 mana, or sacrificed for 2 mana to gain 3 life.)

Chronomancy! 1UW

Target opponent skips their next combat phase. Draw two cards at the beginning of your next draw step.

Time Loop 1W

Prevent all damage that would be dealt this turn.

Glamour Decoy 2U

Create a token that's a copy of target creature, except it's a 1/1 construct and has haste and "This creature must be blocked if able." Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.

Slip into the Spirit World W

Target creature you control phases out until end of turn

Glamour Locket 3

Artifact

T: Add one mana of any color

1, T: Create a Glamour token

3, T, Sacrifice Locket: Gain three life and draw a card

Imagine getting your ass beat by this girl for 3 straight months, just getting walloped all over the city and then she just surrenders trying to peace it up and join you. Then like an hour after she does this she kills the world’s greatest superhero I’d be fucking furious.

Sooo we know her power is pretty bullshit, so i was thinking. Could she give someone a complete gender change, down to the chromosome level? If so, that'd be a pretty cool thing for her to do as a side job, if she ever leaned to moderate her healing work

Hello, I’m trying to find some clarification on something. If faultline and her crew are confirmed villains by the PRT. How does her team operate a night club and not get immediately arrested?

I played Percival as a warp encounter in my Rogue Trader game, and my players where religiously listening to his titles not daring to interrupt my monologue.
Problem was : it wasn't a very long list as we only have some of them.

So here I am to call on to you for a fanmade list of the 99 titles of brave brave sir Percival (you gave a good number of them to Taylor, I'm sure you can do it).

For now :

1/ I am he who was crafted at two thirty nine on the twenty-ninth of December, twenty-twenty, by three sets of hands, with twelve sets of eyes in witness
2/ I am the noble creation of the third witch of Kennet, Verona Hayward, witch and guardian of Kennet, nascent sorceress, dabbler in halflight and shadow, she who shattered the moon, founder of Kennet found, enforcer of Kennet below, speaker for the voiceless
3/ I was created with the assistance of the great Avery Kelly, second Witch of Kennet, Finder and Path Runner, Promenade Solver, partner to the opossum spirit Snowdrop
4/ I was created with the assistance of the noble Lucy Ellingson, first witch of Kennet duelist, and bearer of fang, smoke, and steel

61/ I am he who is fearless, literally made that way, and who will not balk in fighting or reciting my titles, whatever threats are made, for my titles, to remind you once again, were given to me by Verona Hayward, witch and guardian of Kennet, nascent sorceress, dabbler in halflight and shadow, she who shattered the moon, founder of Kennet found, enforcer of Kennet below, speaker for the voiceless, by Avery Kelly, second Witch of Kennet, Finder and Path Runner, Promenade Solver, partner to the opossum spirit Snowdrop, by Lucy Ellingson, duelist, and bearer of fang, smoke, and steel
62/ I must tell you, is that I am he who will pause to ask my audience to recite, all together, my last five titles, the fifty-sixth, the fifty-seventh, the fifty-eighth, the fifty-ninth, the sixtieth, and the sixty-first, so I may be sure you’re listening, and do finish with a huzzah, if you please

69/ Nice! I'm nice.

98/ I am he who was shortly into my creation, bitten by an opossum spirit, but did not die, brave as I am, though the bite was light, it remains a four minute skirmish, cheered on by my creators
99/ I am he of the disorganized titles, who has titles out of order, such as my second title, which refers to the third witch of Kennet, when it would be more appropriate to have the first witch of Kennet be first, and the second be second, and the third be third, and now that I mention it those titles are misnumbered, as the first entry of the three is number two and the second is number three and that is all very confusing

Huzzah !

Hello! I just finished Worm a couple days ago via Worm Audio and am fairly new to this sub. My favorite capes or characters are Rachel, Arms master/Defiant and Jack. I noticed these references throughout the story and wanted to see if this has been brought up before. I thought at first maybe it was all pointing toward Golem but now I think it’s more likely just Wildbow’s choices. I’m afraid I won’t remember all of them but I will list based on my memory and it won’t be in any particular order.

1. Alt Earths use Hebrew alphabet. Aleph, Bet, Gamil

2. End-Bringers. Leviathan (Book of Job) Behemoth (Book of Job) Tohu and Bohu (creation narrative original language)

3. Coil. Snake on his costume and his power is based on a choice (Original sin narrative)

4. Scion. (Should have been Zion) and (He is a God made into man, Messiah figure)

5. Golem. (Jewish folklore)

6. Eden, called a garden

Could the Hyena blade permanently injure/kill a screaming Hennigar? The Hennigars can draw upon their contract with War keep going against any injury or fatal blow as long as they cause enough violence within a certain time frame, but the Hyena draws upon Abyssal energies to inflict wounds that may never heal, and Crone Mara said anyone killed by it may never return. So, what would happen if you stab a Hennigar with the Hyena?

What about other hard-to-kill beings? Could the Hyena put down the likes of Freak and Squeak, or the Dogs of War?

When Nilbog buried himself deep underground how come he never tried methods of digging deeper so he could find sources of water to grow plants nearby that don't need any sun. Also how come he didn't secretly burrow towards the unpopulated areas in Canada.

I'm not referring to minions like Taylor's insects or Rachel's dogs which are (mostly) mundane animals, but characters like Dragon and Dot.

In terms of human minions, I know Echidna's clones are treated as non-living while the Slaughterhouse 9000 are considered fully human with rights.

I would guess that most minions are legally packaged with their parahuman, but I'm not sure how that would play out for minions that outlive their creator like Dragon and Mockument.

Do intelligent tinkertech creations get treated like objects? Are sentient minions considered more like their creator's property or children? Are intelligent bio-creations put down like aggressive dogs? Can a minion be prosecuted for crimes as a human might be? Can minions receive (natural-born) citizenship and associated rights? Would a minion effectively gain rights if they claim to be case 53? EDIT: Can a minion be birdcaged?

I feel like there's a lot of uncharted territory here, so I was curious about your thoughts. I'm most interested in what PRT era policy might be, but feel free to share thoughts on what the post-Gold Morning stance might have been.

I want to do write ups about different OC parahumans from the perspective of the PRT, and was wondering what kind of language would be included in a report that would be unique to parahumans, other than their ratings. I figure costume and power, but what other things might be included in a report like that? I tagged worm because thats around the timeline I want to do, but I have read ward, so any info from that is also appreciated!

And I’m not talking about people sacrificing themselves throughout the story, although the idea of vain sacrifice is really good as well. It has more to correlate with the idea that nothing is free in life

I love how Wildbow depicted it because on the surface, powers look free, but they’re really not. They use your trauma as an efficient way to latch onto you more easily and then will subconsciously make demands. And if you don’t fulfill them, they will absolutely ruin your life at the worst moment possible.

• I mean, it makes sense though. Powers as a whole come from the entitys’ fear of a lack of infinity: Entropy. On top of that, shards have only a limited supply of mass before they run out from (improbable but not impossible) overuse even though they make it think that they’re endless and magically summoning powers.

Now let’s get on to how people get stronger. Almost all powers require a sacrifice or exchange to be stronger

• second triggers rework the ability and also take a massive toll while cannibalizing a bud and fucking up the host’s mental health
• stronger connection to powers result in loss of self
• all “upgrades” to powers generally change strengths and weaknesses in certain aspects
• Glaistig Uaine only really got stronger due to murdering people and Eidelon needed to drain people to get back to his prime
• Othalla is the only “giving” power that doesn’t have the drawback of screwing up peoples mental health, and even then, it renders her vulnerable.

So yeah. Instead of sacrifice, I’d compare it to “an illusion of giving.” In reality, it’s more like an exchange that the host isn’t aware of.

So, as we know, what Blake achieved before his demise was pretty crazy, given what he had to work with, and who he was up against. But, when he got eaten by Ur, Rose took his place in the world, so generally speaking Blake's achievements are going to get credited to Rose.

The thing is, Rose didn't actually do her Awakening ritual until after Blake got eaten. So as far as anybody can tell, Rose was running circles around established practitioner families, binding powerful Others, and toppling a city Lord all while being a mere Aware human. And then, she Awakened and started building real power. It just feels like the kind of thing that seems completely unbelievable to people in-universe, because when an unawakened human gets into a fight with an Imp or a moderate Goblin, they're supposed to lose, and you'd just get laughed at for suggesting one would stand a chance against an incarnation of Conquest.