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Shoulder pain with pushing movements

For the past 3 months I’ve been unable to perform certain pressing movements because of it aggravating my left shoulder. More specifically, the ac joint/acromion region or the area where my acromion and humeral head meet. It’s like a rubbing/cracking sensation. Ring push ups really bring out the popping which causes discomfort and stiffness after training. As a result, I’m left with this sore achy feeling that makes reaching overhead uncomfortable. In addition, I’ve noticed discomfort when sleeping on my left shoulder. The discomfort is more pronounced during ring push ups (especially push ups on rings), dips, and bench press. I do not experience any discomfort from overhead pressing, L sit, or push ups on the floor. I thought it might be due to push pull imbalance so I decided to do more pulling and reduce my pushing volume. I noticed the pain was instantly gone after performing high rep ring rows so I figured I was onto something and started implementing more rowing. In addition, I continued to perform rotator cuff exercises as usual. However, despite dropping the volume and incorporating more pulling it hasn’t improved and haven’t been able to incorporate ring push ups, dips, or bench press back into my routine. Since then I’ve dropped dips and push ups, and only do overhead press currently. If I don’t do these movements I do not have any pain or discomfort. The discomfort resolves with a day or two. Yesterday I attempted to do some dips, with a focus on form and control, thinking I need to focus on keeping the elbows in without flaring them and scap depressed, but it ended with my shoulder feeling stiff and achy again. I’m not sure what to do at this point. I’ve considered that it might be due to weak rotator cuff muscles, poor scapula control, push pull imbalance, tightness (which I tried to see if a deep tissue massage would help), weak traps, weak posterior delts, weak serratus, poor mobility…. The list goes on. I really wanna return to training those movements again but I don’t know what to do. I’ve gone the physio route in my city but I have yet to find someone who I know will truly be able to help me.

Symptoms: stiff and achy shoulder after pressing (ring push ups, dips, bench press), discomfort reaching overhead and sleeping on effected side

Things observed in my training: weaker external rotation on left side, weak support hold without RTO, popping more pronounced during ring push ups

Measures taken to correct issue: more pulling, YTLWs, rotator cuff work, shoulder extension work

*just wanna mention this. I did some dips on P bars and the discomfort was virtually gone the following day and I had good mid back soreness. So maybe I’m not recruiting all the necessary muscle to perform ring dips. Just a thought.

1 Comment
2024/11/10
05:25 UTC

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Warm-up?

Hi, I was watching your video on warm ups and wrote this down as a potential warm up routine :

Warm-up:

  • Burpees/running
  • WRISTS, support holds, skin the cat
  • Hollow, arch
  • 5-10 min HS 2-3x/wk build up over time

I’m wondering, for e.g. wrist stretches, and hollow and arches and skin the cats, do these all follow the same rules as flexibility? How long do we hold these for how many sets? How long do we run? How many different wrist stretches do we do?

Additionally, I’d like to know if you have any resources on getting into LISS running and building stamina, and how many days of the week to do it.

0 Comments
2024/11/10
01:35 UTC

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Intermediate level periodization questions

I don't know if it's because most of the people that reach advanced level calisthenics skills are genetic freaks, but it seems like no one ever asks any questions about periodization or seems to use it. In two of my skills, the full nordic curl and pulley-assisted one arm chin-up, I have finally hit a wall and have deducted that it can only be because linear progression has finally failed with those two moves. I simply cannot get past 3 sets of 3 full nordic curls and 3 sets of 5 pulley assisted one arm chin ups (BW 135 pounds, 23 pound assist minus arm weight giving a total pull of around 103 pounds). It's finally time to start weekly periodization (DUP) and I have some questions.

Firstly, I have been doing a 4 day a week upper lower spit for about 8 months in an effort to continue linear gains (to space out work outs and fatigue) and also because of time issues. Now, if I am going from linear progression to weekly periodization, I know the book says that light/heavy is a good option to start with. So what would light/heavy be? I am assuming either changing the volume or intensity. So how?

I am assuming intermediate weekly periodization could either by a 2 / day week light / heavy split or a 3 / day light, medium, heavy split? How to do this?

In Practical Programming by Rippetoe, he gives the following chart for intensity (pg 191)

%1RMLightMediumHeavy
100--1
90-13
80358
705810
repsrepsreps

Since it is troublesome to work with 1 RM in calisthenics (actually Rippetoe also advises against this in weigh training as well), if we look at the chart, we can see that a light intensity workout is basically half of the reps of a full heavy workout and a medium is about 70-80% of the reps. This breaks down at the view low rep ranges but normally we wouldn't be working out there anyway.

Does this mean that for a given exercise, I can just do 1/2 of my max reps each set and call it a light session? For example, I usually do 3 x 5 of light band (band A, let's say) assisted full nordics. That would be a heavy session. Now I can just add a more resistant (band B), determine that I can do, say, 3 x 10 reps, and then do 3 x 5 with heavier band B and say that would be a light session?

So then, would a 4 day upper/lower split with light and heavy days work under this scheme for any given excercise?

I am also assuming that I wouldn't have to use Preliprin's chart with the light days, so for example, I could do 3 x 3 if I wanted to, even though the volume doesn't conform to Preliprin's recommended rep range for adaptation stimulus, since the point of a light session is not to stimulate max adaptation.

Another question about DUP with strength, hypertrophy and power in the same week.

In the book Scientific Principles of Strength Training by Israetel and Hoffman, under Phase Potentiation section there is the following quote.

"The adaptations of one workout can largely decay by the time the next workout of its kind is performed again" (pg 304)

Basically, he doesn't recommend training for strength and hypertrophy in DUP weekly periodization because the effects cancel each other out or the constant high stimulus violates the principles of DUP. Yet you seem to imply that it was an option for DUP intermediate periodization. This would imply that light medium heavy is the only real option for intermediate periodization, which also complies with Rippetoe (see Texas method, Star method in Practical Programming). What do you think about this?

So put all this together, intermediate periodization would be doing light, medium, heavy (or light / heavy) DUP weekly periodization by varying intensity only via Rippetoe's chart and/or by intuitive feel, and not volume because of Israetel's recommendation of not going for hypertrophy and strength in the same week. Is this correct?

3 Comments
2024/11/09
18:50 UTC

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Is there a difference in how one should approach dealing with tendinosis vs tendinitis? Specifically for the rotator cuff (supraspinatus)?

3 Comments
2024/11/08
15:05 UTC

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Scaphoid / TFCC injury in both wrists

Hi everyone.

In february/march 2024 I started feeling slight pain in my right wrist, mainly when doing pushups / handstands and similar push excercises with a full hand placed on the floor / wall. I train calisthenics and bouldering, 2-4x a week usually. I suspected the injury happened because of free handstands, a few times I lost balance and moved my hand to an uncomfortable position and over-stretched the wrist.

The pain didn't stop after 2-3 months (ofc I stopped doing handstands and similar, painful excercises), even got gradually worse over time , started feeling it even during other excercises like bar muscle-ups or barbell bench presses.

I went to the orthopedist in june. He did an ultrasound and said it was a scaphoid bone injury. Not a fracture, but something like a bone erosion / micro tear on the top of the bone. The doctor said it could have been a fracture these few months ago, but it is hard to tell now (a month before this visit I had wrist x-ray and it was without any signs of damage in the wrist). Probably the bone was slowly being damaged from overuse and workouts and finally got injured to a point it became painful. The reccomendation was to do some ESWT (shockwave therapy), I did 4 sessions but overall didn't feel any improvement.

I also went to my physiotherapist, did some wrist excercises and streches but all of them really aggravated the pain, so I stopped after a few weeks. I kept training calisthenics 2-3 times a week, but I almost completely removed push excercises from my routine, anything that would cause me pain (pushups, handstands, muscleups, bench presses), mainly kept doing pull excercises and from push category only some dips on parallel bars/rings. Also got some solid wrist bands to keep my wrist more stable. In July I injured the other wrist, fell from the bar and supported my weight with open hand on the ground, and exactly the same pain started in the other wrist. Fast forward to november and nothing changed, pain is still there, maybe it hurts a little less.

I can easily press on top of my wrist in the scaphoid bone place with my fingers and find the painful spots.

A few weeks ago I did an MRI of both wrists and everything is perfectly fine except TFCC - in the description they say there is "light degenerative/overload changes" in both right and left wrist TFCC. But when I read about TFCC injuries and pain it causes, it is in completely different place than the pain I feel. I went to my physio again and he also stated that the TFCC doesn't seem to be the painful issue, there is no pain when pressing a finger into the TFCC, there is no pain during hand rotation etc.

The conclusion that me and my physio made is that TFCC is in fact lightly injured as MRI shows, but it isn't the source of my pain and it isn't something that affects my wrist, it was just detected by MRI by accident, and the problem and pain is in the scaphoid bones. I just don't understand why MRI didn't show anything on these scaphoid bones, if there was even a possible fracture in the past (as the orthopedist said) and there is some really painful micro tear currently shouldn't it be visible on MRI?

What would be the reccomendation to do next? Should I strenghten my wrists, do physiotherapy and endure the pain? Still can't really do a pushup without feeling moderate pain (possible to endure of course, but not pleasant and after forcing myself the wrists hurt more).

Can it regenerate itself over time or is physiotherapy and excercises mandatory, even when painful? Should I stop working out completely for longer period of time? Should I consult with another doctor?

wrist ultrasound: https://imgur.com/a/CRi7wB3
wrist x-ray: https://imgur.com/a/FS912Qv

All help is appreciated.

10 Comments
2024/11/07
19:53 UTC

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Numbness on outer thigh

Hello,

Yesterday I was doing ATG Split Squats. I increased the weight compared to the last session (+5 kg). Not sure if it's related but during my first set, I felt a bit of a cramping muscle sensation near the knee at the bottom of the outer thigh region but without the pain (it felt like a ripple or something). After the set I noticed that my left leg's outer thigh is a bit numb (only noticeable when touching the outer thigh).

This kind of thing has happened to me in the past as well - back then because I did single leg leg press. The numbness went away after a few days. I remember it was my first time trying single leg leg press. It felt uncomfortable, I felt like my hip mobility or hip impingement was limiting me. Then after doing a set I touched my thighs and felt a bit of the same numbness.

After doing some Googling I suspect this is Meralgia paresthetica / lateral femoral cutaneous nerve entrapment.

Could it be caused by my tight hips (I'm 90% sure I have hip impingement). Or did I Progress too much on the ATG Split Squats? Did I stretch out my hip flexors too much? Or maybe I compressed the nerve with bringing my leg too close to my torso?

If it happens again can I finish my other sets of split squats?

1 Comment
2024/11/07
09:02 UTC

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Need help progressing towards Adv Tuck Planche

So, I can hold a Tuck Planche for 16ish seconds and I want to progress towards Adv Tuck Planche. The main problem I'm facing is straightening my back. If you search online, almost everybody does it with a rounded back and PPT. I tried to go that route and end up being able to hold it for 8ish seconds with assistance, but I know in my heart of hearts that's not the propper technique.

I don't want to create bad habits and regreting it later (when I have to move towards Straddle Planche), so I'm resetting my Adv Tuck Planche learning and I'm trying to hold it with a straight back now.

The main problem is that it requires much more strength and body awareness. I'm not able to hold it even with a band. So, I'm doing this variation instead. It's almost a Tuck Planche with straight back but knees close to the chest.

I want to know if this will help me to develop the strength and body awareness for a propper Adv Tuck Planche (flat back, knees 90 deg) or if you have some other recommendations. Also, I want to know is my back is straight and my protraction is good because I always feel like I'm not protracting enough. I just want a good protraction without excesive rounding or hunching.

So, TL;DR, I want to know:

  1. If my Tuck Planche is OK
  2. If this variation would help me to achieve Adv Tuck Planche
  3. If my back is straight and my protraction is acceptable in this exercise
  4. If you have any other recommendations for my current situation

Thanks beforehand.

P. S.: This is my actual routine.

Edit: Correcting links.

9 Comments
2024/11/06
23:04 UTC

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Overcoming Injury Recovery Anxiety: Tips for Returning to Full Intensity

Hey!

I’m currently recovering from a slight supraspinatus tear, likely from too much handstand training, i guess but i might be wrong about the exact cause. (i'm seing a chripractor to help me heal this.)

Right now, I’m focusing on isometric exercises and light band work. Since it’s improving, I’m thinking of adding in high-rep, low-weight lateral raises to strengthen the area without risking further injury. Surprisingly, this is an exercise I’ve never done before in my year of calisthenics. Btw if you got any another tips to help my recovery i'll be more then happy to read them !

My question is about what comes next: when I’m fully rehabilitated, how do you overcome the fear of reinjury and get back to training at full intensity? Now that I’ve experienced the setback of lost progress, I know I’ll struggle to push myself as hard as I did before.

Any advice?

Thank you, Hugo.

2 Comments
2024/11/06
16:15 UTC

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Can I skip planche on straight arm day?

What are some good move for replacing planche? I am interested in straddle press handstand. Since I am no longer interested in planche. My current SA day focus: Back lever and front lever.

6 Comments
2024/11/05
07:04 UTC

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Hand pain?

Ik this kind of things are best ask physio or get check but with where I'm living and my financial condition I'm really unable to get one.

I recently gotten some wrist problem but now make me suspect it was a hand problem. It came for a few days but then disappeared I think? Cause of some self rehab on wrist I did such as wrist curl and reverse Wrist curl (or maybe just time). Then I have it again, this time I really try to pay attention to it.

Essentially I get a sharp pain when I place my hand on a surface extended (maybe wrist warm up) where I lean forward my finger fingers. The sharp pain occur around the metacarpal of between my ring and pinky finger. I notice that if I were to lift my ring finger up with my other hand while it was placed flat on the ground, I feel the symptom occuring again. Aside from that, no other things produce this pain aside from extension.

Add: The pain specifically seems to happened when I lean forward and shift the weight toward the ulbar side

For some background, I gotten an fall from a pull up bar before where my wrist fall from an extension position. So my wrist can click when rotating but the wrist have recovered since (I think), I rehab it myself again with protocal of avoid aggrevating exercises, isolating muscles area with low intensity, high volume.

Please provide me some opinion, thank you.

2 Comments
2024/11/05
05:36 UTC

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Program Critique: Hypertrophy, Skill, and Weighted basics

Goal:

**Maintain:**
  1. Muscle Up

  2. Front Roll

  3. Back Kip / Front Kip

  4. Front Lever

    Want to unlock

  5. Planche

  6. Back Lever

  7. Front Roll

  • I also want to do weighted calisthenic and hypertrophy as well

Program: SA/BA/Leg/SA/BA/Leg/rest

Straight Arm Day

Skill:

???? still unsure

Strength:

-5 sets of Planche progression hold

-4 sets of Back lever

-3 sets of Full front lever

Bent Arm Day

Skill:

Back Kip: 5 successful attempt

Strength:

-3 sets x 3 of weighted muscle up

-3 sets of backward roll (band assisted)

-3 sets of 8 (1RIR) weighted pullup

-3 sets of 8 (1RIR) weighted dip

-3 sets of front kip to front roll to support

1 Comment
2024/11/04
18:27 UTC

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Do I need a maintenance phase between bulking and cutting?

Hi!

I've read in Overcoming-Gravity that in order to maximize strength gains, we should gain muscle by bulk and cut cycles. And that we should deload around every 2 months.

If I bullk for 2-4 months, then eat at maintenance for a week during my deload, can I jump straight into cutting after? Or is there a longer time frame that's required? Also, I have the same question for switching from cutting to bulking. Is the week-long deload long enough of a maintenance or not?

Also, assuming I'm in a normal BF% range (12-16%), is there a limit to how long I need to bulk and cut for it to be efficient? Could I bulk 8 weeks, then do a quick cut, then repeat?

I don't remember reading about this in the book, I'm sorry if it's been answered already. Loved the book!

8 Comments
2024/11/04
17:57 UTC

5

Training with insufficient protein in food.

What happens when you train a muscle in the situation that there is very little protein present in the nutrition?

My guess:From an evolutionary point or view I would expect that other muscles that are used less will be broken down to supply the protein for developing the muscle that is loaded.  (Suppose one of our ancestors would have landed in a situation in which he/she would have to use one type of muscle to survive and would not need another one. Survival would then be more likely if protein were transferred from one muscle to the other. Vital organs would not or much less be broken down then I would expect.) 

3 Comments
2024/11/04
11:55 UTC

2

Routine Recommendation Help!

Hello OG, I am currently training using GMB Ring 2, which compose of

straight arm day: front lever, back lever, (i swap out iron cross for planche),

bent arm day: back/front kip, front/back roll to support

However, after reading through overcoming gravity...I want to change my routine to intermediate push/pull/leg without losing the skill I have trained. Since all the felge and kip are both push pull, how do I intergrate those into the program? The reason I choose ppl is I also want hypertrophy as well.

1 Comment
2024/11/04
07:56 UTC

2

Can you strain your achilles by putting too much pressure and weight on it?

Got up off of bed put too much pressure and weight on my right foot and felt some pain go up my achilles and now it feels sore/hurts. Could that have been enough to strain it?

5 Comments
2024/11/04
05:03 UTC

2

Torn tricep due to pullups

Hi, all.

I believe I've torn something where the long head of the tricep attaches to the shoulder.

I used to do heavy weighted pull-ups 3x per week with 50+ kg

Now I can't do a single bodyweight pull-up as the area where the tricep attaches to the shoulder hurts like hell.

I can do rows somewhat normally....how do I go about rehab?

3 Comments
2024/11/04
03:08 UTC

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I've been dealing with supraspinatus tendinosis for 10 years, also have subacromial impingement. Is it even possible for it to go away at this point?

Or can I just merely try to lower the pain, and prolong it from when it will eventually tear completely?

13 Comments
2024/11/03
14:57 UTC

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Suggested next steps for chronic knee/hip pain that has gotten better but lasted over a year now?

For some background about three years ago now I went to a bachelor party and while tackling someone I felt something weird in my knee. It hurt for about 2-3 weeks but I did some exercises/stretches and it went away.

Eventually, after about 9 months, it came and went for a bit again. I still wasn't concerned at all. After about 6 months I probably rushed myself a bit and did a bouldering competition. I definitely overexerted myself but didn't think it was that bad of an idea. Little did I know this would start a horrible journey of chronic pain.

My left knee and right hip pain slowly increased over the next few months and I had to stop all exercise. I went to my general care doctor and two orthos. Got some x-rays (on knee/hip) and an MRI (only on my knee). The doctors said there was no real issue. Told me I most likely had a MCL sprain and a hip flexor strain. Suggested physical therapy.

Went to a first physical therapist. Horrible, a waste of money and really did not do much for me at all. At this time I also messed up my elbow for a bit. It was completely back luck (I no longer have the elbow issue), but I started getting hardcore health anxiety. I ran through every description of various arthritises and eventually went to a rheumatologist. They did a bunch of tests and didn't find much of anything. Suggested this was likely a biomechanical issue and sent me back to PT.

This time PT did help. My intense pain went away when going down stairs and I could sit for longer periods of time without severe pain. But I still felt pain most hours of the day to some degree. Eventually my PT suggested I was good and that all I could change now was my weight and diet. I'm by no means fit but I didn't see myself as obese. (6' 5" and 230 lbs) so I started looking for a new PT.

This new third PT I went to for about two months and honestly they helped a lot. I was able to start doing some light biking which felt incredible as I really didn't have any consistent exercise I enjoyed for over a year at that point. I rarely had any sharp pains and aches and I even had some days where I could go most of the day totally pain free.

But now it's about a month and a half after I've left the 3rd PT and I can feel some pain coming back in the same spots. All I've added is some light yoga/pilates, some very light weight lifting (no more than 20 lb squats), and some longer distance cycling (8-10 miles).

I'd really like to have a future where I can bike and run and climb and play basketball care free. I'd really like to be able to sit through a workday with no knee pain. I'd really like to get rid of the stupid looking PT equipment in my apartment (It's embarrassing at 26). I'm tired of spending money to keep running in circles.

What do I do next? Do I go back to the 3rd PT? Should I try dry-needling? Should I find a different specialist of some kind? Should I improve my diet?

9 Comments
2024/11/02
19:10 UTC

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HRV-based deload?

Is HRV a reliable indicator for taking/stopping deloads? Seems like HRV is linked to CNS. Given that smart watches track HRV I was wondering whether I should consider "low/sustained low HRV" periods as proxies for "now its time to take a break from calisthenics".

4 Comments
2024/11/02
13:44 UTC

4

Is a pistol squat possible with long femurs?

Advice always suggests to improve ankle dorsiflexion, which is reasonable. But even with that, can one pistol squat with long femurs?

12 Comments
2024/11/02
02:45 UTC

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HELP: Weightlifters shoulder/AC Joint arthrosis/Distal clavicle osteolysis

31M who spent the last year increasing frequency and doing a ton of heavy pushing in the gym. We're talking 2-3x per week of many sets to failure on pushing movements such as barbell bench, overhead press, chest flyes and more. Zero rowing or rear deltoid work and my go-to back workout was weighted chinups/pullups.

My right AC Joint has osteoarthritis now and they also suspect Distal clavicle osteolysis. I cannot do any pushing without sharp pain anymore. Furthermore it has started to affect my chinups and anything that strains the ac joint due to heavy loading like heavy barbell curls or lateral raises starts a cycle of inflammation that lasts for a week or two. It's horrible.

What can I do? I keep trying to rest for a month, easing back in, and that works only temporarily. The moment I climb up in the weights, this damn thing shows its ugly head again. I haven't trained chest for over 6 months now. Recently decided to give up the chinups and only do seated rows. Also reducing frequency and load on lateral raises.

Am I doomed to this for the rest of my life? Do you have any tips for me? Does deadhangs help?

Please advise, I'm getting desperate and losing hope. It has been 6-9 months without any noticable improvement.

23 Comments
2024/11/01
21:21 UTC

3

Push/Pull Weighted

Push Heavy Dips weighted 5x5-3 rest 2-3' Bench press 5x5-3 Squat 5x5-3 Isolation Step up 4x15-8 Tricep extension 4x15-8 Front raises 4x15-8 (maybe 3?) Core: Toes to bar 3-4 x12 Compression 3x 10 + 30"

Pull Heavy Pull ups 5x5 Deadlift 5x5 Barbell Row 5x5 Isolation Hamstring curls 4x15-8 rest 1-2' Bicep curls 4x15-8 Face pull 4x15-8 Core: Weighted crunches Compression

Push Light Dips weighted 4x12-8 Bench 4x12-8 Squat 4x12-8 rest 2-2:30 Iso and coresame as heavy

Pull light Pull ups weighted 4x8 Deadlift 4x8 Barbell row 4x12-8 Iso and core same as before

Maybe some handstand work before if possible in the gym.

Goals rm dips rm pull up, squat deadlift as well as getting fuctional stronger. The exercises before are my main goals to get as heavy as possible while being aesthetic and fuctional.

5 Comments
2024/11/01
14:57 UTC

4

Hanging for internal Impingement?

Will Deadhangs help internal Impingement? My issue is I can't lay down with my hands behind my head and elbows relaxed. Moving the elbow down in that position is quite painful. Anyways, will hanging from a bar help this or only subacromial Impingement?

13 Comments
2024/11/01
12:00 UTC

3

Mysterious Bicep clicking/pain

I have tried to do some research on this but nothing has seemed quite accurate to others experiences. I am experiencing a nagging pain and clicking in the interior part of my upper arm.

Bicep tendinitis from research seems to either be up by the shoulder or down by the elbow, but I get a clicking and irritable sensation in the middle of my arm. It feels in between the bicep and tricep, could almost describe it as being underneath the bicep near the humerus. I was doing a lot of lat pull downs and curls, very likely over training. Click usually occurs on the later half of the eccentric portion of curls, hammer curls feel pretty bad.

My closest guess would be coracobrachialis tendinopathy where it inserts. Although I’m not entirely sure because in pictures it shows it maybe too far up towards the shoulder. I tried to back off, take extended time off from lifting, but it’s still lingering to the point I’ve just about given up. Any advice would be great.

2 Comments
2024/10/31
06:17 UTC

3

Rotator cuff tendinosis - does it “flare up”

Hello about 5 months ago I overworked my shoulders and after a lot of pain got MRIs. Both showed mild tendinosis infra subscap and my left shoulder also has supraspinatus tendinosis (mild)

I've been doing PT which helped until now but for some reason my left side is back to square one. Pain at rest pain picking up certain things popping etc. I think it's my supraspinatus given where the tender spots are near the tip of my shoulder and corner of shoulder blade

My concern is that my PT exercises have somehow started aggravating the tendon and worsening the existing damage. My doctor insisted the MRI results were good but I don't understand why the constant aching and pain returned after. Does tendinosis pose high risk for tearing the tendon? From what I've learned theres not actual inflammation involved

15 Comments
2024/10/30
13:33 UTC

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Possible tennis elbow

For a couple months now I've had pain on the outside of my elbow but also (less frequently) on the inside of my elbow. I'm not sure what I have cause the symptoms are kind of confusing. After performing exercises I have noticed a pain in my middle finger and a weakness in my elbows after pushing but it's just that I feel it on both on the outer and inner elbow that's trowing me off.

The day before I noticed these symptoms I did 1arm assisted pullups and 1arm deadhangs (both not intensely). At the beginning I also felt a numbness or tingling which I thought was ulnar nerve entrapment, I did exercises for that and as for now I'm pretty sure it has resolved. Now it's outer elbow pain mainly, but also at the middle finger after exercises and occasionally at the inner elbow.

Currently I'm still strengthening forearms, I do pronation, supination, wrist curls, reverse wrist curls, finger curls and ulnar and radial deviation all for 2 sets anywhere between 15 and 30 reps 3 times a week.

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2024/10/29
16:52 UTC

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Wrist Discomfort when doing False Grip stuff

hello group, i just want to raise a question about my wrist. (forgive if bad english)

recently, i have been training false grip because i want to achieve Ring MU. went from not even capable of hanging for 1s to doing Strict FG Ring Pull-ups for 6 reps (Straight body, Ring-to chest).

however, recently I have been experiencing discomfort and mild pain on my wrist. It does not really hurt when training, but after I train or waking up day after, there's discomfort and tingling sensation around the back of my palm. on top of that, it hurts a bit when i try to flex my wrist while gripping, kind of like the false grip. I also feel "pins and needles" sensation that radiates starting on my ring and middle finger onto my whole hand.

my questions:

  1. What could this possibly be?
  2. Can i keep training false grip?
  3. How do I make this go away?

thank you a lot guys. God bless to everyone. 🙏🏻

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2024/10/29
13:47 UTC

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Anyone else going through a forearm tendinopathy?

Years ago, I had a similar injury to the tendinopathy I have now. I was out for 2 years, which honestly wasn’t challenging since I wasn’t that committed to exercise. I recovered, and recently got back into weightlifting. Since I returned, I’ve had frequent shoulder or trapezius injuries—nothing serious, and it’s even become somewhat normal for me.

The issue here started during the JM Press triceps exercise. I felt some pain but didn’t think much of it at first. The next day, I had numbness in my ring and pinky fingers, which was annoying but not entirely new; it was similar to the injury I’d had before. I should note that the first time, I didn’t go through any rehabilitation. I took two weeks off from exercising and, when I returned, everything was fine until I started triceps exercises again. The pain returned, but I ignored it and kept training hard. By the end of the week, things really took a turn for the worse. This time, it was truly uncomfortable and painful. I saw a doctor, got diagnosed, prescribed anti-inflammatories and creams, and was advised to rest for 15 days.

The first week was terrible, but there was improvement by the second week. I decided to train only my lower body, avoiding exercises that involved the affected arm. Everything seemed fine, and it’s getting better.

So my question is: should I start rehabilitation exercises quickly? Is training legs appropriate? If this has happened to anyone else, what did you do about it? Is there a good prognosis? I’m anxious to get back to working out.

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2024/10/29
07:40 UTC

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Should pain when swinging a bat.

My shoulder has been giving me problems for about a year now but it hasn't gotten to the point of needing to go to the doctor. It's just been a little off. For instance, if I'm carrying groceries and lean over(from drivers seat) to set them on the passenger seat it kind of hurts. If I go surfing or paddling after about and hour it will just start to feel off and kind of hurt a little (little things like that). Well, The other day I went to swing a bat and after full rotation it was as if someone stabbed me in the shoulder. The pain was fast, intense but went away fairly quick with minimal soreness. I've since been resting it(1 week) and now it's better. I still don't think I could swing a bat just yet though. I've done the YouTube tests for a rotator tear and infringement. I don't think I have either but maybe so. I guess my question is could it be a tear or infringement? Is this something that warrants a trip to the doctor and maybe some PT. I just don't want it to get worse. I'm pretty active. Thanks!!

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2024/10/29
00:49 UTC

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Confused about my injury

Hi Steven, I recently recovered from my wrist injuries only to find myself with medial epicondyle area pain. I never experienced such pain before (I got golfer's elbow before) and it hurts when I pronate and straighten my arms all the way. It make me suspect of cubital tunnel syndrome since I experience some nerve problem prior with my wrist that radial on my pinky and ring finger before.

But the confusing part is my symptoms went down so much for the numbness that I almost never felt it anymore. I don't feel any radiating pain or anything but pain on inner elbow. I can feel it doing push up and handstand parallattes. It's discouraging.

My symptoms comes if I do:

pronation supination hammer eccentric Finger Push Up Push Up Handstand Parallattes and Floor Lat Pulldown

I'm not familiar with nerve problem cause I always train tendons. I don't really have access to professional, so if u don't mind, what can u make of it. It's been 2 weeks so I hope I still got a chance of recovering. I'm just afraid of never doing calisthenics again.

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2024/10/28
08:47 UTC

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