So I'm kinda wondering how do they compare since in Germany getting weed described is very easy nowadays I'm kinda inclined to get pharmaceutical because In my experience it's on average a more Pleasant Experience and overall better Quality the only thing is that I'm kinda broke and Noids are almost always available for half the price and at lower quantities. So 10g would cost me around 100€ instead of 40€

I wanna order some, but the ROA which seems to be best documented is smoking - which I want to avoid. What other ROAs

I’ve heard it can be snorted & done orally, also that it dissolves in alcohol. Could I just dissolve it in alcohol and dose mls either orally or nasally from a syringe?

Also, would normal 40% vodka work or do I need like isopropyl or pure ethanol? I have 85% isopropyl, also I know it’s toxic but not that much in this amounts so I’d take the risk, or maybe it’s best to use completely something else?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

What are some brands that are similar, I haven’t had noids since diamond cbd was high quality, a year ago I got some oasis honey bee and that was pretty good but not as good as galaxy as I remember it. I recently got some mango dream from the same site I got the honey bee from and it hurt to hit and felt like vaping melation. Any suggestions on the 2024 equivalent of galaxy or what was in it (I’ve head mixed things like sgt-25 for example).

Just have alot of questions if anybody else is in this situation send me a dm

Problem with cliquid, I heated the vg50/pg50 mixture, added jwh-210 and it started to stick, I heated it at a higher temperature, it dissolved, but after cooling it was matt white and did not burn well, how to make it dissolve completely until it was transparent

I was looking for some noids that are legal in germany but I can not find anything. All the Shops I where I used to order are gone. Could it be that they are now all banned ?

Legal THC is not yet available in Germany but they made hhc illegal so I bought some t-9-hc flowers in my local smoke shop. I can't find any information on t-9-hc online. The only search results are a few other sellers. And reddit doesn't have any posts about it either. What the fuck did I buy?

Edit: the shop has only sold CBD and legit altnoids like hhc, hhcp, thcp, etc in the past. I've been going there for years and I never felt like I didn't actually get what was advertised or anything like that.

I let my lil brother hit this c-liquid every body online was talking about it was Kentucky Route, Strawberry Fields, everybody was like YOU HAVE TO DILUTE IT ITS SO STRONG OMG. i was like fuck that lol as soon as it came in the mail I just filled up a juul pod with it and tapped it a couple times, I had told my brother that I ordered some CBD juice that wasn't really CBD juice it got you high ASF and he hit two blinkers hewas like 16 at the time and had only smoked weed a couple of times. He wigged tf out and told my mom on me

Hello, i tried many diffeent does of this noid on about 10people, here are my findings.

threshold ~ 25ug

light ~ 50ug

common ~ 100ug

strong ~ 150ug+

my favorite dose is about 100ug, does of 600ug will turn you into a vomiting zombie be careful. and my suggested ratio is 1mg/g so u can smoke 0.1g as normal dose

got half a gram as free sample of JWH-210 and i'm planning on making an e-liquid with it, i used to vape noids quite often some time ago, but i have never made the mixture myself. i heard that its best to start dissolving it in PG and add some higher temperatures to help it dissolve and after it's dissolved only then add VG. but how much ml of pg/ vg would i need for half a gram of JWH-210? also more tips would be appreciated!

I just wonder how addictive and dangerous are synthetic cannabinoids ? Can they cause irreversible brain damage at low doses ? like 5F-APB, 5F-PB-22 stuff like that, and more specifically 7-ABF

was gonna use HHC on tobacco since i roll my own. I understand spraying with solvents leaves residual solvents behind without proper equitment so please no one else attempt this i am merely curious if anyone has tested this before i always accidently over saturate so to quit wasting product i was wondering if anyone has already tested this on D8 or any other alt cannabanoid?

// I’m writing 6.c.l. with dots so auto moderation lets me post this xD //

One of the NE vendors have this one in stock now and it has good reviews on their website so far 🤔. But again 6.c.l. is made up name

So what have I found yet there’s 2 guesses what can actual chemical name be: ADB-4en-PINACA and MDMB-4en-PICA.

Someone tried 6.C.L already? Please share your opinion on 6.C.L..

Also any additional info and guesses about what proper name can be will be appreciated 💯

Longtime noid user/abuser and my tolerance is quite high so I can’t say how I felt years ago especially with the memory issues that come with combined noid use and alcoholism lol, but I was just wondering, for y’all do all indole synth noids feel like basically the same feeling or high just to varying degrees, or is there any specific chemicals that stand out as uniquely different?

MDMB-4en-PINACA ADB-BUTINACA 5F-MDMB-PINACA AMB-FUBINACA AB-PINACA

All in a proper lab setting, with proper procedures, with safety, accuracy and efficiency to yield the absolute highest purity.

I've been doing this since 2012. AMA!

Hello everyone!

Since the ban of HHC (and its derivatives) I have been in search of new noids. There is a specific well-known company that sells10-OH-HHC. They claim that it cannot be banned in the EU, as it is a metabolite, something that is created inside the human body.

I have been searching here and there and some claim that metabolites are products (either intermediate or final), while others claim they are derivatives.

As I see it, metabolites are products of a metabolic process, and not products of a substance (hence derivatives), so I believe this is how they bend the law.

Thoughts?

My vendor had this but it’s a crumble and wax consistency is that correct ? And what’s the dosage for a beginner

Due to the influx of users messaging me on reddit i have decided to make a public thread. Reply here with any questions or any problems you have been facing with mdmb-4en-pinaca and 5f-adb synthesis, I'll help you out depending on how far in you are and how badly you messed up.

Hey how’s it going, I’m a heavy stoner and a hippy I trip all the time and stuff. I’ve tried a lot of the legal cannabinoids I’m able to get in my state, I love thc and everything but I’m looking into noids like adb-001 and to try noids in similar potentcy to that so I can make like hhc and other noids carts with these kind of cannabinoids, I know sourcing only allowed but I just want a genuine idea of what cannabinoids I can try to buy from the dw or clearnet

Stopped weed many times cold turkey. Had stomach problems and would't eat anything. Temp flashes and shaking. Now I've taken JWH-210 (4g) for a month, bad decision.. Appetite is completely gone. Can't sleep without extreme thoughts. Comparable when I stopped with H, a banana a day. And heart issues, not sure if they stem from JWH. I compare JWH-018 to 210 as that seems the info online cros interacts. Any tips?

I've been vaping it for a while now, I obviously know it's synthetic but I would like to know what noid specifically it is? If I take a small amount then it makes me really drowsy a little bit like normal weed but with quite intense heart palpitations. If I take too much however i go into this crazy hallucinogenic like state where I'm convinced it's the end and I'm going to die. It happens every time I always get the same thought loops and it's like im watching myself from outside my body, like im only present in my mind and completely detached from my body and reality. Why I keep taking it is beyond me... I always try to stop myself before I reach that state because it's actually quite enjoyable in moderation. Withdrawals are similar to opioids, cold sweats, restlessness, insomnia etc etc

I was curious how they potentiate each other and if the combo lets you feel the noid high for longer than the standard 30 mins perhaps?

i took a really small hit from a joint thinking it was weed but after 1 puff i got told it was spice. That small puff was stronger than big glob of concentrate. i thought spice was extinct and i thought nobody would ever just hand me spice, but whatever

Before I tried taking a synth noid orally I assumed there was something about the ROA that made it less enjoyable or recreational compared to smoking but come to find out the high is precisely the same just a lot longer lasting than smoking or vaping, so is it just the duration being too long for certain noids or is there another reason?

EUROPEAN UNION DRUG AGENCY New psychoactive substances – the current situation in Europe (European Drug Report 2024) - This page is part of the European Drug Report 2024, the EMCDDA's annual overview of the drug situation in Europe. June 11th, 2024.

https://www.euda.europa.eu/sites/default/files/pdf/31883_en.pdf?606797

Includes what's believed to be the first psychoactive drug with a silicon atom

A-PBITMO (Adamantan-1-yl)(3-pentyl-2- thioxo-2,3-dihydro-1Hbenzo[d]imidazol-1- yl)methanone) Cannabinoids 18/12/2023 Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-PBITMO

NMDMSB (1-naphthyl 4-methyl-3- (dimethylsulfamoyl)-benzoate) Cannabinoids 03/07/2023 Hungary

https://www.reddit.com/r/noids/comments/18brhcw/npsdiscovery_nmdmsb_identified_in_usa_on_november/

ADMB-3TMS-PRINACA (N-(1-amino-3,3-dimethyl-1- oxobutan-2-yl)-1-(3- (trimethylsilyl)propyl)-1Hindazole-3-carboxamide) Cannabinoids 31/03/2023 Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADMB-3TMS-PRINACA

CUMYL-3TMS-PRINACA (N-(2-phenylpropan-2-yl)-1-(3- (trimethylsilyl)propyl)-1Hindazole-3-carboxamide Cannabinoids 30/05/2023 Sweden

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUMYL-3TMS-PRINACA

MDMB-BINACA (methyl 2-(1-butyl-1H-indazole3-carboxamido)-3,3- dimethylbutanoate) Cannabinoids 11/05/2023 Sweden

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMB-BINACA

Bonus mentions: from UKs Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1159142/Cumyl-pegalone_and_other_uncontrolled_SCRA_report-FINAL.pdf

ADB-5'Br-PINACA (5'-Br-ADB-PINACA) 09/2022 Abu Dhabi

https://www.emirates247.com/uae/the-adjd-s-centre-of-forensic-and-digital-sciences-discovers-a-new-synthetic-cannabinoid-substance-2023-05-15-1.711336

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADB-5%27Br-PINACA

ADB-FUBHQUCA Identified in powder seized by Turkish customs in September 2021.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADB-FUBHQUCA

PTI-3 First notified to the EMCDDA from Hungary in June 2020.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PTI-3

QMPSB Detected in Australia between 2011 and 2012 [Blakey et al., 2016].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QMPSB

2F-QMPSB First notified to the EMCDDA from Italy in January 2019.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2F-QMPSB

Cumy-lTsINACA First identified in August 2021 in Germany from analysis of seized herbal blends.

https://www.aekwien.at/documents/263869/1224592/220504_EWS-Information.pdf/35ded17a-f791-6cc4-9bbf-6198329477a1?t=1651659476036

Cumyl-CHSINACA Identified in material (paste) seized in Hungary in September 2021.

https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/168323137

CUMYL-1Cl-CHSINACA Identified in material (paste) seized by Hungarian police in September 2021

https://isomerdesign.com/pihkal/explore/13355

A-PONASA Identified in pale pink powder seized by Swedish customs in December 2021 and also in white powder en route from China seized in Bulgaria in September 2021.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-PONASA

Related to the synthetic noids (CUMYL-3TMS-PRINACA and ADMB-3TMS-PRINACA) with the silicon atoms in their structure:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11201-006-9008-5

"Novel silicon-containing drugs derived from the indomethacin scaffold: Synthesis, characterization and evaluation of biological activity"

https://www.pharmacy180.com/article/silicon-based-drugs-versus-carbon-based-analogues-1401/

"Indomethacin (see Figure 5.9) is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory agent used in pain and moderate to severe inflammation in rheumatic diseases and other musculoskeletal disorders. It is a COX (cyclooxygenase) inhibitor and therefore interrupts the production of prostaglandins .

A series of new silicon compounds, based on the structure of indomethacin, have been synthesised and are under investigation as novel anticancer agents. The carboxyl group of indomethacin was reacted with a series of amino-functionalised silanes. The resulting products have been shown to be significantly more lipophilic and more selective to COX-2. Furthermore, in vitro testing has shown an increased uptake of the new compounds at the tumour site. The silane-functionalised indomethacin derivatives exhibited a 15-fold increased antiproliferative effect when tested against pancreatic cancer (Figure 5.10) ."

Indomethacin is very close in structure to synthetic indole noids such as JWH-007.

"In general, silicon-based compounds demonstrate an enhanced lipophilicity in comparison to their carbon-analogous due to their different covalent radii. This provides an interesting opportunity for exploitable pharmacokinetic potential in drug design, for example, for drugs that are prone to hepatic metabolism. Silicon-based compounds involved in hepatic metabolism have been observed to exhibit an increased half-life when compared to their carbon analogues. Increased lipophilicity is also believed to be useful in the design of drugs that are supposed to cross the blood–brain barrier. Therefore silicon analogues with their increased lipophilicity can be very interesting drug candidates."

Help a boy on vacation out.

Edit: people in vacation towns are crazy.