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Lamar Jackson 118-176, 1529 yds, 10-2 TD-INT, 403 yds rushing, 2 TDs
Joe Burrow 125-173, 1370 yds, 12-2 TD-INT
Josh Allen 98-156, 1160 yds, 10-0 TD-INT, 178 yds rushing, 3 TDs
Baker Mayfield 134-189, 1489 yds, 15-5 TD-INT, 136 yds rushing, 2 TDs
Jayden Daniels 125-166, 1404 yds, 6-2 TD-INT, 322 yds rushing, 4 TDs
C.J Stroud 142-208, 1577 yds, 10-4 TD-INT
Brock Purdy 121-185, 1629 yds, 9-4 TD- INT, 126 yds rushing, 0 TDs
Sam Darnold 87-137, 1111 yds, 11-4 TD-INT
Jared Goff 106-149, 1330 yds, 8-4 TD-INT
Patrick Mahomes 111-160, 1235 yds, 6-6 TD-INT
Kyler Murray 116-170, 1186 yds, 8-2 TD-INT, 261 yds rushing, 1 TD
Justin Herbert 64-80, 815 yds, 6-1 TD-INT
Jordan Love 86-146, 1131 yds, 12-6 TD-INT
Matt Stafford 118-175, 1238 yds, 3-3 TD-INT
Kirk Cousins 138-207, 1598 yds, 9-5 TD-INT
Caleb Williams 130-199, 1317 yds, 9-5 TD-INT, 169 yds rushing, 0 TDs
Justin Fields 106-160, 1106 yds, 5-1 TD-INT, 231 yds rushing, 5 TDs
Dak Prescott 142-224, 1602 yds, 8-6 TD-INT
Jalen Hurts 106-157, 1194 yds, 6-4 TD-INT, 196 yds rushing, 2 TDs
Aaron Rodgers 111-182, 1,093 yds, 7-4 TD-INT
Geno Smith 173-251, 1778 yds, 6-6 TD-INT, 146 yds rushing, 1 TD
Joe Flacco 71-108, 716 yds, 7-1 TD-INT
Daniel Jones 114-178, 1138 yds, 6-3 TD-INT, 108 yds rushing, 0 TDs
Trevor Lawrence 116-191, 1334 yds, 8-3 TD-INT
Bo Nix 121-198, 1082 yds, 5-5 TD-INT, 180 yds rushing, 3 TDs
Drake Maye 24-41, 265 yds, 3-2 TD-INT
Andy Dalton 66-95, 896 yds, 7-4 TD-INT
Spencer Rattler (only one game)
Aiden O'Connell 46-72, 403 yds, 2-2 TD-INT
Deshaun Watson 122-199, 1020 yds, 5-3 TD-INT, 148 yds rushing, 1 TD, 27 sexual assaults & counting
Will Levis 83-125, 699 yds, 5-7 TD-INT
Tyler Huntley 32-55, 290 yds, 0-1 TD-INT
I made a bet with few of family members about my fav WRs going 1000 yards this season.
Khalil Shakir Mike Evans DJ Moore DK Metcalf Scary Terry Garret Wilson What do you guys thinks so far?
Titans 0-3
Jaguars 0-3
Browns 1-2
Panthers 1-2
Patriots 1-2
Dolphins 1-2
Bengals 0-3
Colts 1-2
Broncos 1-2
Raiders 1-2
Giants 1-2
Bears 1-2
Rams 1-2
Cardinals 1-2
Cowboys 1-2
Falcons 1-2
Commanders 2-1 (Best W, @ Cincinnati)
Chargers 2-1 (Best W, Las Vegas)
Ravens 1-2
Jets 2-1 (Best W, New England)
49ers 1-2
Buccaneers 2-1 (Best W, @ Detroit)
Packers 2-1 (Best W, Indianapolis)
Seahawks 3-0 (Best W, Patriots in OT)
Saints 2-1 (Best W, @ Dallas)
Texans 2-1 (Best W, Indianapolis)
Eagles 2-1 (Best W, @ New Orleans)
Lions 2-1 (Best W, @ Arizona)
Steelers 3-0 (Best W, @ Atlanta)
Vikings 3-0 (Best W, 49ers)
Chiefs 3-0 (Best W, Baltimore)
Bills 3-0 (Best W, @Miami)
Tell me where I'm wrong
If Patrick Mahomes manages to pull off a three-peat in the Super Bowl, would that solidify his place as the greatest of all time (GOAT) in the NFL? His talent and accomplishments are already impressive, but would this historic achievement be enough to crown him as the GOAT, or does he still have more to prove?
Let's hear your thoughts!
With the Minnesota Vikings losing JJ McCarthy for the entire season, their 3rd overall selection in Khyree Jackson tragically passing away, Jordan Addison facing suspension, and MANY starters/rotational players being injured before the season even begins, this is easily the worst offseason for the Minnesota Vikings in their franchise’s history. But what are some other NFL franchises that have had absolutely terrible offseasons? Do any top the Vikings?
Me and my friend always argue who is better I say Marino because of the impact on the sport but he always says rivers based on stats what do y'all think of this?
Ever since the NFL expanded its season to 17 games a year, we know that all teams no longer have the even amount of 8-8 home and away games. Some teams now have eight home games and nine away games. Others vice versa.
Does the NFL do anything specific to make sure this format doesn't give some teams an unfair advantage over others? Doesn't seem like it's ever mentioned that some teams have to travel a little more than others.
If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit.
Definitely click baited you all with title but that's literally the thought I just had.. I know right.. I was looking up all time leader stats right now he had 43,653 is in the top 20 off all time.. assuming hes playing a few more seasons.. let's say 4 and he averages 3k a season that would put him at 55,653... hypothetically... And he's only 32 tds away from top 10 all time. He's also going to end up 1st or second all time rushing yds for a QB(until Lamar passes him) and 4 rush tds away from top 10 all time.
My whole point is I never looked at Wilson as a great QB but the stats say otherwise. I still think he's trash but yeah what y'all think?
There's plenty of discussion about the best Superbowl winning teams. I'm curious about the best teams that didn't win a Superbowl. Like the Steve McNair Titans that was a yard short. Or possibly Marino's Dolphins.
Ravens secondary is suspect and Andy Reid will target that
Chiefs defense is much better than Houston's and Lamar won't be able to run as much. Even if he does, he won't have much going passing wise because of point #1.
And my favorite is point 3.
I'm beginning to think Chiefs might beat the Ravens.
As I was listening to the Raiders Cheifs game and then the Chargers Ravens game, I determined that for the AFC I think a 10-7 record this year is not good enough to get you into the playoffs. Maybe with a lot of luck one can sneak in for the 7th seed. But I think every team will have at least 11 wins.
For the NFC I think 9-8 will keep you out of the Playoffs. Again with a lot of luck maybe you can sneak in as a 7th seed but I think that is unlikely.
Hi there I need a nfl or ncaa team’s stadium to build in Minecraft I can’t do any teams that have a dome but besides that I can do anything if you could just comment a team I will try and do it
The Browns shouldn't have traded 3 1st round picks, and two fourth-round picks for Watson. Instead, we could have had Baker Mayfield on our team who led us to the playoffs in 2020 for the first time since 2002. He almost led us to the Super Bowl but lost to the Chiefs by only 5 pts. But instead, we have Watson who has sat out for almost half the games we have played so far this season. He has been Sitting on the bench because his arm hurts. But we had Baker play while he was injured and because they thought he was doing so bad we got rid of him for a 2024 conditional draft pick. Also, we could have gotten Mayfield for probably 4 more years for the low price of 36 mil but instead, we got Watson for a 5 Year 230 MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT. I don't know why the browns have to do this... They have done this every year and they are making everybody mad. So thank you Browns for Watson
Hi! I've found plenty of videos analyzing the Pats D in super Bowl 53, but the Rams D also did an incredible job, and I'd like to watch a video or read an article that talks about their formation choices/ matchup selections, etc. Does anyone know of any resources for this? Thanks!
Seems like a stupid argument to me but still. IMO the Cowboys are better on both sides of the ball, and will finish with atleast 11-12 wins while the Steelers will be around 9-8
The Chicago Bears offense looks awful. It’s needs to be torn down to the studs and redone but It’s the middle of the season so that is not possible but they can make some changes. So here is what I think is going on and how to fix it.
Running the ball, Roschon Johnson, Khalil Herbert
Cole Kmet
Motion/Movement
Chase Claypool
Justin Fields issues
Oline
Changes in Play Calling and Coaching
All in All I believe that the bears can be an NFL offense. They just have to figure out what they are doing upfront and let their players win their match ups and put them in positions to succeed which they have not been doing.
As a Steeler fan I want every edge against the 49ers in week one we can get but hear me out.
49ers have a huge kicking issue on their hands. Shanahan even said it. Therefore they should sign form Pitt kicked Blewitt. I understand he has only 3 starts in like 5 years but he played on Heinz Field (Acrisure Stadium now) when he was at Pitt. During that time he he is 5th all time in that stadium in accuracy only being Bosell, Reed, Suisham, and Tucker. He ties Boswell for the longest made filed goal in that stadium at 62 yds and was the first kicker to convert a 60+ harder in that stadium.
Blewitt knows how to kick on that fielf. The 49ers should sign him for at least week one.
I was recently going through my files on an old computer. and found a draft of a giant post I made after I did some very-amatuerish data science on the 2019 crop of QBs. I thought it was terrible at the time. But then it turned out I had successfully predicted Gardner Minshew, and I didn't even know it. So, for discussion, the contents of the original post.
First, I just want to say. I am no expert. I wasn't even especially rigorous. This is just fun and probably not a very good way to predict anything. However, I think I manage to get some interesting results. Including that this model really just fell in love with Gardner Minshew.
For those of you unfamiliar with linear regression, you might want to watch this Khan Academy video to get an idea of how I did this.
I wanted to build a model that could take a quarterbacks college stats and try to predict what kind of statistical output they would have in the pros. As an added bonus, once I projected them in the pros, I tried to figure out what pro quarterbacks had similar numbers to their projections.
The first thing I did was decide what statistics I wanted to use to make my model. I decided to not use any volume stats and only use efficiency stats. I did not want to favor good QBs that had been in the NFL a long time or bad ones that managed to stick around. And because this draft features Kyler Murray, you bet I wanted to try to throw in some rushing statistics too.
I decided to build a model using a QB college stats:
To predict these stats in the NFL:
Then I went to acquire both professional and college statistics on Quarterbacks. Sports reference custom leader boards for college football only went to 2000, so anyone who entered the NFL before then was not used to build the model. So far as active quarterbacks, it only excludes Tom Brady and Drew Brees who are such freaks they probably shouldn't be included anyway. I also did not want to include any quarterbacks who were rookies last year. For instance, I did not think Josh Rosen's numbers last really represent the kind of Pro quarterback he will eventually become.
Then I took all of the quarterbacks from this upcoming draft, and fed their career stats through the model I had created. This is a projection of what their pro stats might look like based upon what they were able to produce in college. I sorted by TD% because scoring points is how you win, and you play to win the game.
Player | Cmp% | TD% | INT% | Yds/Att | Yds/Game | Rush Yds/Att | Rush Yds/Game | Rush Att/Game |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Kyler Murray | 58.76 | 4.55 | 3.28 | 7.1 | 186.54 | 5.53 | 23.53 | 4.34 |
Ryan Finley | 61.69 | 3.86 | 3.05 | 6.96 | 201.58 | 3.56 | 7.12 | 1.94 |
Drew Lock | 57.92 | 3.82 | 3.35 | 6.59 | 179.31 | 2.95 | 7.81 | 1.99 |
Tyree Jackson | 58.08 | 3.81 | 2.91 | 6.52 | 178.49 | 3.8 | 11.29 | 2.55 |
Gardner Minshew | 61.15 | 3.8 | 2.63 | 6.85 | 212.9 | 2.73 | 4.47 | 1.63 |
Dwayne Haskins | 59.62 | 3.74 | 2.67 | 6.75 | 200.78 | 3.71 | 12.56 | 3. |
Will Grier | 58.03 | 3.67 | 3.48 | 6.55 | 182.33 | 3.19 | 8.78 | 2.37 |
Jake Browning | 60.01 | 3.62 | 3.41 | 6.85 | 173.99 | 3.48 | 8.69 | 2.17 |
Daniel Jones | 59.69 | 3.54 | 2.72 | 6.65 | 161.9 | 4.89 | 14.38 | 2.94 |
Jordan Ta'amu | 59.64 | 3.52 | 3.12 | 6.52 | 175.78 | 4.39 | 12.7 | 2.91 |
Trace McSorley | 58.15 | 3.51 | 2.94 | 6.54 | 151.26 | 4.65 | 16.68 | 3.27 |
Clayton Thorson | 59.86 | 3.44 | 3.22 | 6.71 | 161.23 | 3.72 | 7.48 | 1.92 |
Brett Rypien | 60.3 | 3.42 | 3.21 | 6.71 | 180.2 | 2.67 | 4.8 | 1.61 |
Jarrett Stidham | 60.11 | 3.25 | 2.68 | 6.61 | 172.45 | 3.65 | 10.3 | 2.54 |
Kyle Shurmur | 57.85 | 2.87 | 3.01 | 6.31 | 144.52 | 1.67 | 1.57 | 1.1 |
You'll notice that Kyler Murray shows up at the top with a 4.55% Touchdown percentage. That actually is not amazing and would have put him about around 20th in 2018. Just below Nick Mullens and above Dak Prescott. I think just kind of shows how many quarterbacks can put up great numbers in college and then totally flop in the NFL. I suspect any model that looks at the numbers is just going to learn that basically all quarterbacks suck.
Then after I had projected their NFL stats, I compared their projections to NFL quarterbacks who played after the year 1990. This does not have the same restrictions as the QBs used to build the model because I wasn't using their college stats in any way. Disclaimer, if you see someone and you think aren't they from the 80s? (Such as Jim McMahon who does appear here), you're looking at the post-1990 version of them.
For people who are nerds: To make these comparisons, I normalized everyone's stats and took the 2-norm to figure distances.
QB | Cmp 1 | Cmp 2 | Cmp 3 | Cmp 4 | Cmp 5 |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Kyler Murray | Randall Cunningham | Steve McNair | Doug Flutie | Donovan McNabb | David Garrard |
Ryan Finley | Matt Hasselbeck | Jon Kitna | Troy Aikman* | Case Keenum | Trevor Siemian |
Drew Lock | Boomer Esiason | Byron Leftwich | Mark Sanchez | Brandon Weeden | Kevin Kolb |
Tyree Jackson | Matt Cassel | Josh McCown | Byron Leftwich | Jeff Hostetler | Mark Brunell |
Gardner Minshew | Troy Aikman* | Kyle Orton | Joe Flacco | Trevor Siemian | Case Keenum |
Dwayne Haskins | Josh McCown | Jason Campbell | Rich Gannon | John Elway* | Trevor Siemian |
Will Grier | Mark Sanchez | Matt Cassel | Byron Leftwich | Brandon Weeden | Boomer Esiason |
Jake Browning | Kevin Kolb | Matt Hasselbeck | Matt Cassel | Josh McCown | Brandon Weeden |
Daniel Jones | Jim Harbaugh | Jason Campbell | Mark Brunell | Josh McCown | Jeff Hostetler |
Jordan Ta'amu | Josh McCown | Jim Harbaugh | Colt McCoy | Matt Cassel | Jason Campbell |
Trace McSorley | Jim Harbaugh | David Carr | Christian Ponder | Jeff Hostetler | Shaun King |
Clayton Thorson | Kevin Kolb | Matt Cassel | Trent Edwards | Matt Hasselbeck | Brandon Weeden |
Brett Rypien | Chad Henne | Austin Davis | Brad Johnson | Brandon Weeden | Matt Hasselbeck |
Jarrett Stidham | Matt Cassel | Josh McCown | Colt McCoy | Byron Leftwich | Trent Edwards |
Kyle Shurmur | Chris Simms | Matt Leinart | Bernie Kosar | Ken O'Brien | Steve Bono |
As a bonus, I ran all of the draft Qbs through the model using only their 2018. This produced something that was maybe a bit optimistic. It absolutely loved Gardner Minshew. Many of you probably do not know Gardner Minshew because he is at the bottom of most draft boards. He's still above Jordan Ta'amu who still sucked with maybe the 2nd best WR corp in college football. However, Minshew had a monster senior season after a few years of being absolutely pedestrian. He would probably be a lot higher on draft boards, but if you look at his tape you'll notice his throwing mechanics are actually god awful and he has a wobbly wet noodle arm. That combined with he got the luxury of playing in an Air Raid offense his last year in college.
Player | Cmp% | TD% | INT% | Yds/Att | Yds/Game | Rush Yds/Att | Rush Yds/Game | Rush Att/Game |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Kyler Murray | 57.76 | 4.53 | 2.97 | 6.85 | 193.1 | 5.26 | 25.16 | 4.57 |
Gardner Minshew | 62.75 | 4.33 | 2.43 | 7.05 | 255.92 | 3.41 | 6.11 | 1.99 |
Drew Lock | 59.46 | 3.99 | 2.54 | 6.63 | 216.2 | 3.46 | 9.65 | 2.52 |
Ryan Finley | 60.91 | 3.8 | 3.04 | 6.8 | 209.69 | 2.85 | 4.12 | 1.68 |
Dwayne Haskins | 59.11 | 3.8 | 2.81 | 6.59 | 212.04 | 3.35 | 10. | 2.68 |
Tyree Jackson | 56.03 | 3.72 | 3.05 | 6.25 | 177.12 | 3.04 | 9.01 | 2.39 |
Daniel Jones | 58.27 | 3.52 | 2.53 | 6.4 | 173.24 | 4.39 | 13.26 | 2.99 |
Jordan Ta'amu | 59.56 | 3.5 | 3.02 | 6.42 | 180.5 | 4.3 | 11.85 | 2.81 |
Jake Browning | 60.34 | 3.47 | 3.08 | 6.65 | 177.61 | 3.95 | 8.78 | 2.38 |
Trace McSorley | 56.34 | 3.23 | 2.03 | 6.08 | 136.81 | 4.83 | 19.35 | 3.68 |
Brett Rypien | 59.51 | 3.21 | 2.65 | 6.41 | 186.28 | 3.41 | 8.17 | 2.43 |
Will Grier | 56.89 | 3.09 | 3.33 | 6.15 | 172.49 | 2.01 | 4.28 | 1.88 |
Clayton Thorson | 58.92 | 2.93 | 3.2 | 6.34 | 153.59 | 2.9 | 2.48 | 1.48 |
Kyle Shurmur | 58.61 | 2.9 | 2.33 | 6.24 | 173.78 | 1.78 | 2.69 | 1.51 |
Jarrett Stidham | 58.85 | 2.89 | 2.17 | 6.17 | 172.84 | 2.95 | 6.85 | 2.19 |
QB | Cmp 1 | Cmp 2 | Cmp 3 | Cmp 4 | Cmp 5 |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Kyler Murray | Randall Cunningham | Steve McNair | Doug Flutie | Donovan McNabb | David Garrard |
Gardner Minshew | Matthew Stafford | Joe Montana* | Derek Carr | Warren Moon* | Brett Favre* |
Drew Lock | Trevor Siemian | Case Keenum | Nick Foles | Joe Montana* | Jon Kitna |
Ryan Finley | Troy Aikman* | Kyle Orton | Trevor Siemian | Jon Kitna | Matt Hasselbeck |
Dwayne Haskins | Trevor Siemian | Jon Kitna | Byron Leftwich | Sam Darnold | Case Keenum |
Tyree Jackson | Byron Leftwich | Tony Banks | Blaine Gabbert | Matt Cassel | Mark Sanchez |
Daniel Jones | Jim Harbaugh | Jason Campbell | Josh McCown | Mark Brunell | Matt Cassel |
Jordan Ta'amu | Josh McCown | Matt Cassel | Jason Campbell | Colt McCoy | David Carr |
Jake Browning | Josh McCown | Matt Cassel | Trent Edwards | Tim Couch | Kevin Kolb |
Trace McSorley | Johnny Manziel | Shaun King | Jim Harbaugh | Kordell Stewart | David Carr |
Brett Rypien | Byron Leftwich | Brandon Weeden | Chad Henne | Matt Cassel | Brock Osweiler |
Will Grier | Joey Harrington | Kerry Collins | Patrick Ramsey | Chad Henne | A.J. Feeley |
Clayton Thorson | Brock Osweiler | Bernie Kosar | Ken O'Brien | Jim McMahon | Chad Henne |
Kyle Shurmur | Neil O'Donnell | Bernie Kosar | Ken O'Brien | Brock Osweiler | Chad Henne |
Jarrett Stidham | Brock Osweiler | Byron Leftwich | Chad Henne | Brandon Weeden | Ken O'Brien |
Overall, I would say you should not make your draft grades based upon stats. You would probably draft Gardner Minshew hoping to get Matthew Stafford but then realize in camp that Minshew has the arm of 2015 playoffs Peyton Manning but actually still worse. And for what it's worth, I don't like Daniel Jones so my code must have somehow picked that up, because it kind of hates Daniel Jones too.
I found the AFC very complicated to figure out but here I go.
Chiefs 13-4 (wins Superbowl)
Bengals 12-5
Bills 12-5
Jaguars 10-7
Steelers 11-6 (Darkhorse)
Chargers 11-6
Baltimore 11-6
Jets 10-7
Browns 10-7
Miami 9-8
NFC was a little easier but there's a clear difference from the worst and the best.
Eagles 13-4
Saints 11-6 (Darkhorse)
49ers 11-6 (Loses SB)
Packers 10-7
Cowboys 11-6
Lions 10-7
Commanders 10-7
Bears 10-7
Vikings 9-8
Rams 9-8
Yes. You heard that right. The Lions have only won one playoff game since the time that John, Paul, George and Ringo were at the top of the world. You didn’t think it could get worse but it did. One playoff win during the entire era of the Beatles peak popularity and influence in my opinion is more embarrassing than the Browns never making the Super Bowl.
The Beatles became famous in 1962. During that time the Lions have had 20 head coaches and and almost 50 starting quarterbacks. And all of that equals to ONE playoff win. ONE.
I really feel for Lions fans. Knowing that the Tigers, Pistons, and Red Wings have all won multiple championships since 1962.
And unfortunately, the Lions have been holding back Detroit sports.
What are your thoughts on the Lions having won one playoff game since the Beatles became famous?
This is my first Reddit post ever but this guy at my work was arguing with me about this, so I came here for guidance. In my mind Jalen Ramsey is easily a hall of fame lock already. He is a Super Bowl champion, 3x first team all pro, and a 5x pro bowler among having the personality and financial credentials behind it. But I want to hear opinions as I’m only 18 and have really only ever known him as the most dominant corner since I started watching football.
Can someone actually tell me what Josh Allen has done to be considered top 5 to me he seems overrated based on arm talent alone
What's ya'lls opinion on it. I personally Believe it does more harm than good. If I'm a minority coach in the NFL, now I'm gonna be thinking was my hire just a token hire or did they actually want me. And the picks they get give teams ulterior motivation fir these hires
I think Watson's contract with the Browns will eventually become the example of why teams can't give a fully guaranteed contract of this size. What level of desperate and stupid do you have to be to hand out a contract like that to a good QB. Good, not elite. Hopkins was elite. Of course NFL owners don't want this to become the norm, its a stupid move. If this goes as poorly as I think it will for Cleveland, we might not see another contract like this ever. Chalk this up to "Right place, right amount of stupid"