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A place to discuss AMC’s Mad Men, a critically acclaimed psychological period-drama series that earned sixteen Emmys and five Golden Globes.

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A place to discuss Mad Men, AMC's first foray into producing television.

The show is critically acclaimed and award-winning, earning nine Emmys and four Golden Globes. It is the first basic cable series to win the Emmy Award for Outstanding Drama Series, winning the award in 2008 and 2009.



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Do you think vocab in Mad Men is more difficult than other regular shows?

International viewer here who is quite fluent in English as a second language.

I am watching Mad Men with English subtitle, in every episode I find 1-2 vocab that I don’t know and end up looking up.

Most of time, when I watch US shows I rarely do that. Maybe because Mad Men is set in the past or because it’s an office environment?

I wonder if American viewers also sees that vocab used in dialogue in Mad Men is bit more advanced than normal shows…

5 Comments
2024/04/03
06:13 UTC

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Were people as tied to their company back in the day as the show portrays?

The show makes jumping to a different company seem difficult and unusual. Very few employees leave on their own volition (Peggy being the exception). I know people tended to last longer at companies in the past but were white collar professionals that loyal to their company?

11 Comments
2024/04/03
05:20 UTC

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Your favorite line from MADMEN?

I’ll share mine I think my al time favorite line was in a flashback. Uncle Mack was throwing the preacher out of the brothel. He said “ I’d tell you to go to hell but I don’t want to see you again.” I love that line.

106 Comments
2024/04/03
01:58 UTC

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I’m sure this question has been brought up before but was Andrea Rhodes (Mädchen Amick’s character) a hallucination by Don?

Or did he just hallucinate himself strangling her since her body was never found under the bed? If so, what was even the point of her character?

15 Comments
2024/04/03
01:18 UTC

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Why is Meghan so angry at Don at the end ?

She claims he ruined her life. She stole all of his furniture. And it took a $1,000,000 check to quiet her down. What exactly did Don do? He married his secretary in his NY agency. Don has zero interest in actors, hippies, artists, and the LA lifestyle of the 60s in the canyon. She is the one who moved across the country. She is the one who "outgrew" him or changed. And as it turned out she was a better copywriter than actress.

OP's Additional Comment- After reading all of your comments (and being reminded of some details) I don't want to give the impression that Don was a good husband or didn't betray Meghan in multiple ways, but..... Meghan only became an actress due to the brow beating from her two miserable parents. How dare she work a job for money!! Don would have NEVER married her if she ever hinted at acting being her true passion she wanted to pursue. Don has a weird code of ethics and did not like having to exert his influence to get her acting gigs. Meghan had a lot of opportunities in CA but blew it because the constant rejection and criticism of being an actor got to her. The same thing would have eventually of happened in NY.

171 Comments
2024/04/02
15:08 UTC

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Don and Meghan.

I can't believe it's over. I actually almost cried. I don't think I was this bothered when Betty divorced him. I knew they were having problems, but after the threesome I honestly thought there was a chance ha! But then she came to get her things and I knew she was just getting ready to leave him. But WHY??!!!

They were so good together and I genuinely believe they loved each other. He was a changed man with Meghan. This is one of them TV relationships that I will never get over. Will Don ever get his happy ending?!

I still have a few episodes left, I don't know how I'm gonna get through them. It's been a few days, I haven't been able to go back and watch.

Update: OK, OK I get it. I was wrong about them they were awful. In my defence I was high on pain meds watching the ep where Meghan ends it all. I guess I was sad for Don. I liked Meghan (apart from what she did to Stephanie). But also, I just wanted Don to have his happy ending. He's got a lot of work to do on himself. He didn't change - but he was really trying, come on.

And the one person who wanted to correct me on the spelling of "Megan" - get a life.

Update 2: Yes, I know I spelt it wrong. But I always thought there is different spellings to the name Meghan/Megan. I apologise. I get it. People get the spelling of my name wrong and it's simple lol.

44 Comments
2024/04/02
06:29 UTC

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The moment I disliked Betty..

“Did you see those big tears? I really want to get a picture of her crying one day”

There were more reasons later on.. but until this moment (which I internalized as taking joy in her daughters fear).. I feel like this was the first crack in the facade. (S1, E9)

14 Comments
2024/04/02
03:27 UTC

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Question of S04E04

Why Allison got more mad when Don said she could write her letter of recommendation by herself and he would sign it? She told to Peggy earlier why she was upset so I get that. But why got more mad because of the offer?

14 Comments
2024/04/02
02:48 UTC

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What scene(s)do you fast forward when rewatching and why?

Is it too painful or cringey.

57 Comments
2024/04/02
02:38 UTC

164

Does Don Draper know he’s good looking? I’ve always wondered this

Everyone says he’s good looking in the show and let’s be honest, we think it too. But does Don know it?

92 Comments
2024/04/02
02:02 UTC

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Don changing the conversation with Sally in 'A Day's Work' (S7 E2)

Don famously says 'If you don't like what they're saying change the conversation'. While I only thought of what this could mean in an advertising context I noticed that he employs this technique in his personal life as well.

In season 7 episode 2, Sally finds out Don is no longer at his office and catches him in a lie when she shows up and Lou is in his office. Then on the drive to her school Don tells her he knows she was at his office. This leads to Sally revealing how she feels being in Don's apartment and the possibility of running into Sylvia. Then they silently pull into a diner and at the table it looks like Don is going to have a hard conversation with Sally about his affair but instead he finally tells her about his situation at the office. This gains her trust like she is being confided in and his affair is not addressed for the rest of the episode.

So instead of addressing Sally's trauma he changes the conversation to something easier to explain. At the end of the episode it also seems like Sally realizes that her Dad is a complicated man who has a lot going on in his own life so him trusting her with his burden makes her feel his struggle and be sympathetic.

4 Comments
2024/04/01
23:39 UTC

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“Seattle <smirk>, it’s an indoor city…”

Pete Campbell quipped early in the season. It was the one and only time my hometown of Seattle was referenced in the series. Portland, Oregon was, too, when Draper and team had to deal with Jantzen Beach swimwear’s stoic clients. Anyone else here recall a one-off mentioning of their ignored region from the series?

116 Comments
2024/04/01
21:54 UTC

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If you love the 1960’s fashion in Mad Men, you may like Palm Royale.

Palm Royale on Apple TV is set in the 1960s and has super fun fashion and styling. The storyline is definitely not at the level of Mad Men, but it’s still fun and visually colorful the same way Mad Men is.

18 Comments
2024/04/01
19:27 UTC

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Tomato Juice

Anyone else notice how often they drank tomato juice? Always wondered how relevant it was to that time period.

27 Comments
2024/04/01
17:36 UTC

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I love how honest this show is about its female characters

It doesn’t hold back from depicting complex and brutal aspects of sexism in both their professional and personal lives, without putting anyone on a pedestal to admire as a martyr. A lot of shows either ignore gender as a reality or turn their female characters into Mary Sues whose entire character arc is about overcoming sexism. Instead we get women just as fleshed out as the men in their strengths and flaws, reacting to the world around them in many different ways.

We see that Betty suffered from the expectations of being a well-behaved housewife, but we also see her hit, neglect, and manipulate her kids because of her personal frustrations. She goes from missing her mother at the start to resenting the expectations she was burdened with to even saying she tried everything her mother did to her to Sally to control her.

We see Peggy struggling to find her place as a female copywriter, treated as a threat to both the men and women who settled into a patriarchal dynamic. At the same time she’s dismissive of the civil rights movement and has racist thoughts around Dawn, and she backs off of politics, revealing that her concerns about sexism mostly surround how she specifically is treated - a common problem in white feminism.

We see Joan having leaned into her sexuality as a way to find her place among men who pigeonhole her as a sex object, but still earning the respect of men at the top of the agency as a vital part of the operations. She’s developed impressive ways to use her soft power to get what she needs in the absence of formal authority. And yet she and Peggy spar multiple times over that approach, with Peggy even criticizing the way Joan dresses as if to say she’s inviting objectification and slept her way to the top. She does exercise a “petty dictatorship” to compensate for her frustrations with her powerlessness just like Betty does with her kids.

Sally is perfection. She is what AJ was in the Sopranos: the next generation that looks at the world and sees it for the bullshit it is, leading to rebellion and a disdain for all that came before her. She knows the adults she sees could be better if they wanted to, but they’ve remained stunted and are responsible for their refusal to grow and change.

I wish we had gotten to see more women of color and their stories during this time period, but it’s possible the writers knew they wouldn’t be able to do that well and chose to focus specifically on middle and upper class white women. I’m glad they at least gave a few nods to the racism of the time and the alienation Dawn felt at work, feeling she’d never make friends there.

16 Comments
2024/04/01
16:59 UTC

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Game time: Who said that quote? Bonus points if you can say who it was said to and episode

“You have stiff competition, but I believe you to be the most dishonest man I have ever worked with.”

14 Comments
2024/04/01
00:08 UTC

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Who do you think had the best character development?

There’s a few people I can think of

47 Comments
2024/03/31
23:09 UTC

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Unpopular opinion maybe? Glen was fine. Don't get the hate

I constantly see posts and comments bashing both the actor and the character. I've watched the series through a handful of times now and have never felt anything like that towards Glen. He was weird sure, but I don't think he was unwatchable or anything..

76 Comments
2024/03/31
22:31 UTC

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