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200K Club

Thank you Paclock

3 Comments
2024/05/20
10:52 UTC

10

What is that

I just disassembled an Garrison double cylinder deadbolt lock, and this came out, what is the purpose of this pin? Sorry, Frist time Garrison lock!

13 Comments
2024/05/20
01:53 UTC

21

Medeco Duracam Picked 🤌🏻

In 54 seconds…

3 Comments
2024/05/20
01:53 UTC

2

AliExpress code bike lock - code accidentally changed

My son accidentally changed the code and locked the lock. We tried all combinations, didn't work. Now I suspect that while trying, I pulled the orange knob at the wrong time/too much/while dialing (even though I tried not to), and one of the rings now does not click, especially when turned in the same direction as I turned it when trying, and clicks just barely noticeably when turned the other direction. The other three rings do click properly, the one I used most frequently does not any more. Did I break it? Is there such a thing as "worn out teeth" in such a lock? If it's damaged now - will just buy a new one, but if it's not broken - any ideas on how to unlock? Thanks in advance!

7 Comments
2024/05/20
01:45 UTC

3

Any tips for spools? (Abus 65/40)

I've spent the last two weeks trying to figure out an Abus 65/40 lock. I've watched videos and seen imagery of a gutted lock saying the lock usually has a normal first pin and the remaining pins are spools.

I've read up on spools and think I understand the mechanics, they sort of latch on and you have to lessen tension to allow the second ridge to click past. I also read that the tension rod should feel like it's being pulled back by the second ridge, and while I recognise that feeling from picking a 55/30, I don't get that at all on this lock. Instead I have to lightly turn the tension back a bit to get the second click. And after I think all pins are set, I still can't turn it.

I managed to pick the lock twice early on, but haven't been able to get it open since! It's getting mildly frustrating. I'm wondering if anyone has tips? Any videos/tutorials I should check out? Advice based on your own picking of this lock? Or maybe a suggestion for a similar, but slightly less challenging lock that I could use as a stepping stone?

9 Comments
2024/05/19
21:49 UTC

1

Lockpicking in Serbia

Hello i want to start lockpicking as a hobby but i have trouble finding a set that ships to my country(Serbia) and doesn't have huge shipping costs. Also, any set sold locally is as it seems not good quality and ordered from China. Please help.

3 Comments
2024/05/19
21:47 UTC

11

And so the journey begins

After a weekend of cursing at it (No it didn't help) The bane of my existence, master magnum m1 defeated. I have begun my first steps to this wonderful frustrating exciting world!

6 Comments
2024/05/19
20:51 UTC

5

Skill issue?

I’ve been having so much trouble with these. Is it just a bad to learn on these? I have a few different dimple pick profiles. Tried them. But really, I’ve gotten almost zero feedback from the cheap 10 dollar Amazon lock on the left, and little to nothing from the abus 75/30. Am I just rotating it wrong? Am I missing the pins? Are these just bad to learn on?

6 Comments
2024/05/19
19:28 UTC

5

New Mic holder / small rig clamp

0 Comments
2024/05/19
17:40 UTC

36

Finally!!!

I’ve been trying my hand at this Assa 700 with all tapers, off and on, for a couple weeks. I got it already open but I decided to NOT progressively pin it… mistake. Normally, I would get sloppy and overset being in too much of a rush. Today, I tried some discipline and slowed down. Small taps for 5 solid minutes was the key.🔑 Everyone who told me to keep tapping and be patient… thanks for helping out with this open.

6 Comments
2024/05/19
15:55 UTC

3

I don‘t know what to do anymore

Got a multipick cut away filled with: First one is a spool and after that 4 normal pins. I can open that in ~30 seconds (or less) but I just can‘t open it without looking at the cut which in real life doesn‘t get me very far me anything I can‘t open the easiest locks. Also if I change anything it gets really hard for me so something like 2 spools is way too hard I‘m just lucky when I open it and something like 5 normal ones is easy for me (I think). Any suggestions?

20 Comments
2024/05/19
15:52 UTC

10

American Lock 5260

I guess I need to buy a new lock. This means green belt, right?

1 Comment
2024/05/19
14:28 UTC

21

1100’s

6 Comments
2024/05/19
14:03 UTC

14

Yeah, I'm thinking I'm back!

11 Comments
2024/05/19
09:48 UTC

36

200K Club makes it to North Wales, UK.

7 Comments
2024/05/19
07:27 UTC

16

Master Lock 575

Recently dusted off the picks, grabbed some yellow belt locks and started picking. Ordered the 575 off Amazon and got it yesterday. Finally opened it after picking it up off & on through the day. Funny thing is I thought my tension bar fell out so I was ready to start over. When I went to put it back in I noticed the core turned. Had to prove to myself it wasn’t a fluke, and picked open it again :)

3 Comments
2024/05/19
05:12 UTC

6

My first pick on camera. 200K club bare minimum

1 Comment
2024/05/19
00:23 UTC

5

SFIC - getting consistency

So, I bought a PACLOCK 95-IC padlock with combinated SFIC core. I highly doubt there are security pins but it is 6 pins. First time messing around in it, I fall into a deep false set akin to that I get out of my MTL with inner and outer pins. Takes me a moment to realize there probably aren't security pins, so why won't this turn farther? *gears spinning* ... *everything falls into place* - *tips padlock, core falls out* I picked to control! (should have gotten a pic but didn't)

Is there a way to tell, without trying to drop the core out, which shear line you're working with?

Can you build consistency to the point that you decide which shear line you want and always get that shear instead of the other?

Any other SFIC advice is welcome and appreciated.

6 Comments
2024/05/19
00:40 UTC

0

Using AI as a "new lock picking tool" and/or companion - test on my Paclock 90a-pro

Hi,

I spend quite some time reading posts here and I see a lot of people asking for help either because they are beginners or because they are having problems regarding their specific lock.

Some people like doing their own lock picking tools, I tried to use AI - Chat GPT4-o as a new possible "lock picking tool" and/or companion.

Spoiler / conclusion : I still didn't manage to open it but I was extremely impressed by it's relevancy in such small amount of time (30 seconds) on my specific lock with just 3 pics and a few questions ( I use Chat Gpt a lot for work therefore I kind of know how to make prompts to push it to get as relevant as possible...like adding specific words to make sure it will go and get the necessary information needed ).

For sure, it's not perfect (yet?) but I will now do the exact process before coming to you guys to get a first feeling of my locks to avoid too many questions when I am stuck on a new lock ;)

Now here's what happened :

What I did :

I only sent the 3 pictures of my specific 90a-pro that you can see in my post (nothing else…. No text to give info on the lock :

  • pic of the padlock
  • Pic of the pins after I gutted it.
  • pic of the key

https://preview.redd.it/zmyh3y1yf91d1.png?width=1044&format=png&auto=webp&s=ba185d4e5af9085428cc2d363e736784e4778528

https://preview.redd.it/vy01al93g91d1.png?width=930&format=png&auto=webp&s=4b3dbf825f28a806e0d91a7ae2609c45d8196c64

https://preview.redd.it/vjfsvip7g91d1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=428b421232e58f86e9c28feee559aace181c0d9a

What I asked Chat Gpt4-o :

I am a passionate beginner of lock picking - I have found this lock that I don't know anything about for which I included 3 pictures : one is a picture of the lock , another other one is the gutted lock for which you see the pins (Pin 1 is on the left and pin 7 is on the right) and the last picture is the key I received that opens the lock.

Here are a few questions :

  • Can you give me some background, details and reputation of the company manufacturing it in 5 sentences ?
  • Can you detail the specifications of this lock and its reputation in 5 sentences ?
  • Can you detail the key pins and the driver pins you identify on this lock from 1 to 7 ? and explain the different security pins and how to manage them ?
  • Can you analyse each security pin identified from my lock and explain how to bypass those ?
  • Can you discuss the key bitting and what strategy to operate with it while taking in a account the pins of the lock ?
  • Can you detail the strategy to single pick this specific lock in detail in regards of the pins and the key bitting ? Please as I am a beginner : include and define usual lock picking terms while making your recap (set, false set, zero lift pins, counter rotation, jiggle test, etc...)

Please guide me with a lot of details as I am a beginner on lock picking on how to get this lock open step by step ?

What Chat GPT4-o answered in less than a minute :

PACLOCK 90A-PRO Lock Picking Guide

Background and Details of PACLOCK :

PACLOCK, short for Pacific Lock Company, was founded in 1998 and is recognized for producing high-quality padlocks and security hardware. They are known for their innovative and customizable security solutions, all manufactured in the USA. The company's product line includes padlocks, puck locks, and cylinders designed for both commercial and residential use. PACLOCK is highly regarded for its durability, precision engineering, and excellent customer service. Their products are widely used in various industries, including transportation, government, and utilities, which speaks to their reliability and strength.

Specifications and Reputation of the PACLOCK 90A-PRO :

The PACLOCK 90A-PRO is a high-security padlock known for its robust construction and pick-resistant features. The lock body is machined from 6061 aircraft-grade aluminum, making it lightweight yet incredibly strong. It features a 7-pin cylinder, which offers higher complexity and security compared to standard 5-pin locks. The shackle is made from hardened steel, providing significant resistance against cutting and sawing attacks. In the lock picking community, the 90A-PRO is highly regarded for its combination of quality materials and challenging security features, making it a popular choice for both enthusiasts and professionals.

Detailed Pin Identification and Characteristics :

In the PACLOCK 90A-PRO, the driver pins consist of two spool pins (positions 1 and 2), four serrated pins (positions 3, 4, 5, and 6), and one standard pin (position 7). All key pins are standard. The key you provided has a bitting pattern with varying depths: Depth 2 for pin 1, Depth 4 for pin 2, Depth 3 for pin 3, Depth 5 for pin 4, Depth 3 for pin 5, Depth 4 for pin 6, and Depth 1 for pin 7. Given this configuration, the pin at position 7 is a zero lift pin, meaning it is already at or very close to the shear line and does not need to be lifted during picking.

Security Pins: Definition, Details, and Strategies :

SPOOL PINS :

Definition and Details:

Spool pins have a narrow middle section with wider ends, resembling a spool of thread. This shape creates a false set when the pin is partially lifted, causing the plug to rotate slightly and giving the illusion that the pin is set.

Strategy to Bypass:

To pick spool pins, apply moderate tension and lift the pin until you feel counter-rotation, indicating the pin is binding at its narrow middle section. Carefully release tension while continuing to lift the pin to set it correctly at the shear line. Look for the counter-rotation and adjust tension accordingly to avoid dropping other pins.

SERRATED PINS :

Definition and Details:

Serrated pins have multiple notches or serrations along their length. These notches create several points of friction within the plug, leading to multiple false sets as the pin catches at each serration.

Strategy to Bypass:

To pick serrated pins, apply light tension and gently lift each pin until you feel the serrations clicking into place. Proceed slowly to ensure you do not over-set the pin, as lifting too high can cause the pin to catch above the shear line. Be patient and listen for the distinct clicks as each serration passes the shear line.

STANDARD PINS :

Definition and Details:

Standard pins are uniform cylinders without any additional features. They do not create false sets and are straightforward to pick.

Strategy to Bypass:

To pick standard pins, apply steady tension and lift the pin smoothly until it sets at the shear line without much resistance. Since they do not have any security features, standard pins should be the easiest to set.

Key Bitting Analysis and Its Impact on Picking Strategy

The key bitting pattern affects how each pin must be manipulated to reach the shear line. Here's the analysis of each pin based on the bitting and what it requires:

Pin 1 (Depth 2): This pin is relatively shallow. It requires a light lift, meaning minimal picking pressure is needed.

Pin 2 (Depth 4): This pin requires a moderate lift, needing more pressure to reach the shear line.

Pin 3 (Depth 3): This pin requires a moderate lift, similar to Pin 2 but slightly less.

Pin 4 (Depth 5): This pin is deep, requiring a significant lift to reach the shear line, demanding more careful control to avoid over-setting.

Pin 5 (Depth 3): Similar to Pin 3, it requires a moderate lift.

Pin 6 (Depth 4): This pin also needs a moderate lift, similar to Pin 2.

Pin 7 (Depth 1): This is the shallowest pin and is a zero lift pin. It should be avoided during picking to prevent over-setting.

Identifying and Managing False Sets

What Should Happen:

When you encounter a false set, the plug will turn slightly as if the lock is about to open, but it will not turn completely. This is typically caused by the binding of security pins such as spools or serrated pins. The false set occurs because the security pin partially sets, but the lock does not fully unlock until all pins are correctly set at the shear line.

How to Identify a False Set:

Counter-Rotation: For spool pins, a false set is indicated by a slight turn of the plug followed by a counter-rotation when you apply more pressure to the binding pin.

Clicking Sound: For serrated pins, you may feel or hear multiple clicks as the serrations catch, but the plug will not fully turn.

Partial Plug Turn: The plug may turn slightly but stops, indicating not all pins are set.

Managing False Sets:

Spool Pins: If you encounter a false set with a spool pin, feel for the pin that causes counter-rotation when you apply pressure. Carefully lift this pin while slightly reducing tension to allow the spool pin to set correctly.

Serrated Pins: For false sets caused by serrated pins, release a small amount of tension and gently lift the pin to allow the serrations to pass the shear line without over-setting.

Recheck All Pins: If the plug does not turn fully, recheck each pin to identify any that may still be binding or over-set. Adjust tension and lift as needed.

Jiggle Test: Definition and Use in Picking Strategy

Definition and Details:

The jiggle test involves lightly probing each pin to see if it jiggles or moves slightly. If a pin jiggles, it is likely already set at the shear line. If a pin feels solid or resists movement, it may still need to be set.

Strategy to Implement:

Apply Light Tension: Start with light tension and use a hook pick to probe each pin.

Test Each Pin: Gently lift each pin and feel for movement. If a pin jiggles, it is set. If a pin feels solid, it needs to be lifted.

Adjust Tension: Adjust the tension as you go, using the jiggle test to confirm pins that are set and identify those that need further manipulation.

Strategy to Single Pick the PACLOCK 90A-PRO

To pick the PACLOCK 90A-PRO, start by inserting a bottom-of-the-keyway tension wrench to maintain better control over the tension, and apply light tension to start. Insert a hook pick and feel for the first binding pin, which is the pin that resists movement. Begin by locating the binding pin regardless of its type (spool, serrated, or standard).

Lift each pin carefully based on its type and the required lifting depth:

Identify Binding Pin: Start by inserting the pick and feel for the first pin that resists movement, which is the binding pin.

Set Binding Pins (Spool Pins 1 and 2): Lift until you feel counter-rotation. Carefully release tension while continuing to lift the pin to set it correctly.

Set Binding Pins (Serrated Pins 3, 4, 5, and 6): Apply light tension and lift gently until you feel a series of clicks, which indicate the serrations passing the shear line. Be cautious not to lift too high to avoid over-setting these pins.

Set Binding Pin (Standard Pin 7): Apply steady tension and lift smoothly until the pin sets at the shear line without much resistance. Since this is also a zero lift pin, ensure minimal interaction.

Use the Jiggle Test: After setting each pin, use the jiggle test to confirm it is correctly set. If a pin jiggles, it is set; if it feels solid, it needs further manipulation.

Check for False Sets: If the plug has a slight turn but does not open, check for pins causing false sets by lightly lifting each pin again, focusing on those still binding. If you suspect over-setting or a deep false set, release tension briefly to reset the pins, then reapply tension and start over.

Final Steps and Adjustment

To summarize the key points: apply light tension and focus on identifying and setting the binding pins first, regardless of their type. Use appropriate techniques for spool, serrated, and standard pins, considering the specific requirements of the key bitting pattern. Use the jiggle test to confirm pin settings and identify pins needing further adjustment. If the lock does not open after setting all pins, recheck for false sets and reset if necessary. By following these detailed steps and understanding the specific characteristics of each pin, you can effectively pick the PACLOCK 90A-PRO. Practice will help you develop a feel for the subtle feedback from each pin, improving your precision and success rate.

That's it !

Please let me know what you all think ? I am sure that it's still not as precise as experienced human lock pickers ..... but I am still quite amazed !

Maybe if the mods find it interesting it could count as my requirements for other belts :relaxed::relaxed::relaxed::relaxed::relaxed:

Purple belt "Demonstrated history of helping new pickers, either on the sub and/or in the Discord channel."

or :

Brown belt : "Make at least one specialized tool and publish the specs")

Hahaha.

5 Comments
2024/05/18
22:22 UTC

14

Anybody know what's in this thing

This was way harder than the master #3 took hours befor I got it the first time now that I've got it a few what is in this thing I about lost my religion F ING with this 8 dollar lock ? XD

I looked on the belt page and all I can find is its a 38mm ..but like what's in the lock ?

17 Comments
2024/05/18
21:49 UTC

0

Warded can’t be done by normal means and needs warded pick, right? Or what tips/tricks for locks like this? (This is a warded, right?)

10 Comments
2024/05/18
21:01 UTC

2

any lockpicking/locksport clubs in New Haven?

title says it all, I’m in New Haven, CT and am wondering where I can go to learn more about lockpicking

0 Comments
2024/05/18
19:03 UTC

0

Another "which pick to buy" question

I know this place gets bombarded with questions about which pick is the best. So instead of just adding to that already overflowing sandwich, I'd like to ask the experienced members: When you reach for your go to pick, what feature(s) make you grab it first?

31 Comments
2024/05/18
19:01 UTC

52

My first set just came in.

29 Comments
2024/05/18
17:50 UTC

9

What belt is this?

Old American lock series 10. I don't see it on LPU.

19 Comments
2024/05/18
17:48 UTC

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