[survival show notice]

i would like to preface this post with a link to a live (tv?) performance by the finalists of the audition show no no girls

tiger by the 10 finalists, 41k likes on japanese twt

finals are on 1/11, which was also a motivation for making this post honestly, i wanted more people to tune in to the finale. it's really unfortunate kpop fans haven't caught wind of this when it's so often what y'all talk about in these subs. recommend me a great survival show this, why are kpop survival shows so bad that.

well here you go, an ethical company making a girl group that will destroy the world or something. they don't starve them and give unhelpful criticism and all that stuff

here is the survival show itself with complete english subtitles

they're produced by bmsg (known for the boy group be:first) and chanmina, a japanese-korean soloist, her genre is j-hiphop. (a friend told me the kr hiphop scene wouldve never appreciated her talent or smth)

now for the actual post

if u decide to watch any of the links above, it would be clear that jpop is in no way shape or form inferior to kpop, which is a sentiment i encounter so often literally everywhere. on the internet, and in bloody real life

as a jpop fan who was lonely in their teens cos of that, this topic bothers me, to this day

kpop is so popular where i live. it felt like they were practically breathing down ur neck with how much they played kpop music in vacant school hours and shared their enthusiasm for their favorite groups. they also just did not think of jpop favorably

it all started with produce 48 honestly. if ur unfamiliar with the produce 101 series, the third season was a collaboration with akb48 (and the japanese 48 groups in general), and jpop got generalized as akb48 and similar kinds of idols and nothing else. talentless but know how to work with a crowd, or something like that

i love akb48 and the 48 groups, don't get me wrong. i even think a lot of the idols from there are crazy talented

but for that impression to stay so strongly even with so many jpop acts on the rise that have had kpop fans shaking, and with so many japanese participants in newer kpop survival shows absolutely killing it, is just so strange to me

it feels like it's ingrained in most kpop stans that a japanese kpop idol will be unskilled (especially vocally) and that japan has no notable vocalists compared to korea. well i'm sorry to say even korea's best vocalists are sheilded by autotune (for some reason). they can prob sing in tune but theres just pitch correction everywhere

actually japan too, but i'd like to think they at least have some sort of excuse (oftentimes jpop melodies are SO DIFFICULT they jump and leap everywhere so fast it gets u crazy)

and japanese dance culture is way more vibrant and developed than in korea, particularly street dance. some jpop idols/artists are world class dancers, for many styles/niches. and yet kpop fans think kpop idols are god-like dancers. im sorry but they aren't. amazing performers, sure

anyway enlighten me please?

am i just wrong? were my own life experiences and exposure to kpop stans on the internet berating jpop and japanese idols/trainees not an actual proper representation of the whole kpop stan population?

and is it weird to think that if kpop stans were really in it for the music, or for talent/skill, it would be so unbelievably easy to also find jpop appealing. even if it was for being ethical in supporting ur faves. it's already happened with several groups (xg doesn't count, love them tho). ex. psychic fever from exile tribe. they were also getting attention for having a black member lol (no no girls also has a black contestant, and an indian(?) one actually).

why do i have to encounter tiktoks etc where theyre all like "yeah it's expected for a japanese trainee to be really bad, they sound bad they suck all of them suck" and "why are they so bad how the hell did they debut" (to be specific this is abt a youtube short about jo1 during their produce 101 japan days lol, it's true that most of the members were terrible when they debuted 5 yrs ago. but they're crazy artists now, 5 members released self-composed solos, they're acknowledged for their insane performance prowess) and "sakura doesnt deserve her success etc" (yes miyawaki sakura from lesserafim. former hkt48, former iz*one (pd48))

i know this is a kpop thoughts sub but it's a question i have for kpop stans

sorry for ranting abt jpop on a kpop subreddit lol im prob coming off as "ur stupid for not liking jpop and being prejudiced against it" but its not like jpop has made itself welcome to foreigners in the past. recently theres been efforts tho to include us.

ig if u never knew a section of the jpop industry had acts that would appeal to most kpop fans (ever since the beginning tho but jpop was "akb48, anime music, & co." for the past 10 years or so to the world idk), then here u go lol

I am sure you guys have seen criticism about the echo chamber in the HYBE vs. MHJ megathreads. This is a discussion that has been going on for months with almost 17 megathreads. There have been the most degrading insults against multiple actors in this discussion and especially there is a predominant opinion that is constantly criticizing newjeans and defending the actions of hybe/ador. Regardless of your stance, I'm sure you can recognize that most comments defending hybe and ador get dozens if not hundreds of upvotes while comments defending newjeans or mhj get dozens of downvotes consistently. Yesterday, there was a statement put out by Xsports through correspondence with Ador that drawed attention to the validity of Hanni's visa. Immediately, there were some comments calling her naive and stupid and that ador is protecting her. I tried to defend her with these comments:

she can just change her visa but ador disclosing her visa status to the public is more grounds for termination

where do you think xports got the info from?

this, an Adore official told Xports News on the same day, "Since her exclusive contract with New Jeans is still valid, we are preparing documents for visa extension according to the procedure." <<< inside the freaking article mind you

what a weird contradiction of her "keeping quiet because of tampering allegations" and then an allegation of it being because of abandonment? when they're doing their schedule as normal?

It took 6 hours to post two of them. One of them was never posted.

Meanwhile, these insanely xenophobic comments calling her an illegal immigrant were automatically approved and they did not go through any queue because they popped up after I wrote my comments:

wondering if the Australian Embassy is going to speak up again like they did when the NA happened. This time it's even worse for the Australian government, to have an illegal immigrant roaming about, they will want to clear that up quickly.

and this one stayed up for several hours. This is just one example. I don't have the energy to go through all of them but it seems to be very obvious bias?

These are my messages to the moderators pointing out how they are creating an echo chamber. They dismissed me and took no responsibility to fix the issue. At the present, I don't believe they will change their system even though I fully believe it is unjust. I just want people to be aware that reddit is very easily manipulated by moderation systems and anonymity and intentionally creates polarization within subreddits. It is not a space of free discussion and the majority opinion is not always the most meritable like so many people are influenced to believe. They purposefully perpetuate echo chambers through karma filtration. I wasn't even able to find a subreddit to express my concerns because 4 of them locked my post on the spot.

COPY OF MOD MAIL to r/kpop moderators

this was copied word for word, nothing was modified or excluded and I sent the first message after seeing people call hanni dumb and accuse her of being an illegal alien on that megathread

tldr:; I told them that it is unfair they are putting my comments in queue for more than 6 hours (they only approved after I sent mod mail) while people who post xenophobic rhetoric have no queue. They told me it's because I have negative comment karma and they have dozens of filters to make their jobs easier. I told them the negative karma filter is problematic because people who are downvoted little to do with appropriateness and instead because they have a different opinion from the majority. They told me it's not unfair because anyone can still post they just have to wait. I told them that's still extremely biased because people who can post immediately have way more influence over people who have to wait 6 hours for the moderators to somehow read the comment. They said they don't care and karma is inherent system on reddit. I told them they chose to do autofiltration and it has nothing to do with the system but how they use it to perpetuate only the majority opinion.

👱‍♀️: I am absolutely shocked that my comments defending hanni haven't been posted for over 6 hours meanwhile you guys allow the most disgusting xenophobic allegations to run amock in the megathread without bypassing any moderation. Either shut the thread down because you guys clearly can't moderate it or don't suppress comments of a certain viewpoint.

stop putting my comments in queue when you don't do it for the rest of the vile commenters on the megathread https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/s/Ab8PG5F0GG

🛡️: Hello. One of the most basic built-in tools that Moderators use on Reddit is one that filters comments of users who have negative karma points. Your profile currently shows that you have -41 comment karma. This is something that will likely affect you all over Reddit, not at all specific to r/kpop and the Megathread. We have dozens of other filters beyond the basic karma and account age ones, many of which regularly remove the comments of users with completely opposing viewpoints. Sometimes it will take mods two minutes to take care of what's in the queue because we are actively looking at it. Sometimes we've just gone to sleep and it will be many hours before another moderator is available. The filters are there to assist us and give us more time to check things, but they do not replace us. We approve filtered comments all the time and we remove comments that were never filtered all the time. This is the basic functionality of moderation on Reddit. If the way we do things here doesn't suit you, we recommend finding a different community that matches your preferences better.

👱‍♀️: I have 324 karma on my profile? anyways, I think it's still really problematic that you have the negative karma filter because that means only people who share the majority viewpoint will have access to the sub. Because people who don't are instantly downvoted. I experienced this on another account where l would be downvoted to the -100s for not saying anything insulting but simply expressing a different viewpoint. You are essentially creating an echo chamber.

It's a very obvious echo chamber that has been going on for months... and has been noted on so many other platforms... so you guys need to fix it and think about how to make it a fair space for discussion.

I think if you are not equipped to handle the moderation of such a heated issue, either close the thread or stop using auto filtration which is inherently biased and creates an extreme echo chamber.

she can just change her visa but ador disclosing her visa status to the public is more grounds for termination

this post got downvoted 6 points already what rules did it break? do you guys not see the problem of using comment karma to determine whether someone can post or not? or are you intentionally letting it happen?

🛡️:

I think it's still really problematic that you have the negative karma filter because that means only people who share the majority viewpoint will have access to the sub

You are misunderstanding what a karma filter does. A comment karma filter does nothing to determine if a user can comment or not. Users comment freely regardless of how much karma they have. If they have negative karma, it is only a temporary filter until a moderator assesses their comment for approval/removal based on subreddit rules. Karma filters are fairly standard across Reddit because the vast majority of users who have negative karma are bots, spammers, or trolls. So putting a temporary check on those users is extremely effective most of the time. We do not approve/remove based on how much or how little karma a person has. We don't remove comments in response to someone getting downvoted. We simply approve comments that don't break our rules. That's it. Karma is an innate system on Reddit. If you are bothered by getting downvoted, then we will again recommend that you find another community or platform that is better suited to your preferences, because we have zero control over whether anyone wants to upvote or downvote anything.

👱‍♀️: The "temporary filter" is 6 hours long??? How is that acceptable?

That means I cannot have a conversation with anyone because I need to wait 6 hours to be approved.

You should know that the influence of one person who is able to consistently post and the influence of somebody who takes 6 hours to post is completely unmatched...? This is very obvious suppression.

It's not about karma being an innate system on Reddit. It is very obvious that you guys are amplifying an echo chamber by having filtration through comment karma, limiting the influence of anybody who has an opposing view, while givingfree access people who can post xenophobic attacks and have influence on the conversation for several hours until you somehow get to it? Just shut the thread down.

calling it simply "limiting" is generous, it's severe limitation

🛡️: Your messages strongly indicate you are unfamiliar with the inner workings of Reddit and moderation. Each subreddit is allowed to run itself within Reddit's rules. We will continue to do so. Please find another community or platform, which suits you.

👱‍♀️: I've been on reddit for several years. It is completely unacceptable how you guys are encouraging an echo chamber and suppressing opposing views even after I have specifically explained to you how you have done it. I don't think you guys are that naive. Your sub has been criticized countless times on other platforms for the extremely skewed viewpoints that run unchecked in the thread. There's no way you are unaware. You guys simply do not care and it probably benefits you to perpetuate that viewpoint.

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What do you guys think? Is this a fair way of moderating a heated controversy such as ador vs newjeans? Mind you, this is not about Reddit having a karma system, it's their personal decision of using the filtration on the megathread. I can post freely on other r/kpop posts so it is not some system they put on all the posts, it's an empty excuse. It makes little sense in regards to fairness because the filtration system affects the echo chamber within that megathread the most while the posts that don't have any controversy are free to post.

That also creates a very warped perspective of what the group opinion on that specific topic is because you host it in the biggest kpop sub which is seemingly free for all except for newjeans vs ador. If you don't think it matters, just know I have had two other accounts dedicated to defending newjeans that were not insulting but had negative karma. I couldn't post with those accounts anymore and I'm pretty sure that is the case with many people of the similar opinion. How is that fair? If they made a change now, maybe it could start to have slightly more nuanced discussion but the effects of this moderation have gone on for SEVENTEEN megathreads.

I want to clarify that hating on a group because of its fandom is never right, no matter the context, so don’t get me wrong here.

I often see people say, whenever someone refrains from stanning a group because of its fandom: “Do you stan the group or the fandom?”

In my opinion, this doesn’t make sense, because the fandom is a big part of the fan experience. When you become a fan, you naturally want to see the group content, and you will come across toxic content.

“Just don’t use twt.” Toxicity is everywhere. Of course, some apps have less of it, and others more, but you can’t really avoid it completely. The app itself doesn’t matter.

In this case, there are two things a person can do: either accept that toxicity is part of every fandom and engage with more positive content, or choose to distance themselves from the fandom and the group to avoid being negatively influenced.

In my opinion, it all depends on the person and how they handle it. As long as they don’t hate on the group, does it really matter? No.

There are groups I stopped stanning simply because I didn’t like the fandom environment. But I’ve never hated on them because of their fandom. I still remain a casual listener, but I simply don’t engage with their content as I used to.

I’m a stray kids fan, and I’m aware that many dislike this fandom because of its toxicity. I have no issue with people who choose not to stan them because of it, as long as they don’t hate, that’s fine. Some people might think: “You said you don’t stan X groups because of the fandom, but you’re part of a toxic fandom.”

Sometimes, the bond you have with a specific group is stronger, and you are able to support them despite everything. As a multistan, there will always a group you feel more attached to than others in my opinion.

I hope my point makes sense. At the end of the day, it all comes down to how the person feels. We’re no one to judge.

Edit: When I wrote this post I didn’t consider the individual experiences, so I guess it’s different for some and it’s okay, this post is more targeted at those who are active in the fandom spaces. If you experience stanning a group in a different way then this could not apply to you.

Unstan and dislike are different things, I don’t start automatically to dislike a group because of the toxic fandom, I simply stop stan them but i am still a listener and I keep like them as artists.

so recently I've noticed that a lot of K-pop stans think that for an example there is x idol and y idol they think just because x idol fits the kbs that x idol should be the visual of the group ,but i think that the visual should be based on who the company thinks will draw in more money not who fits some silly standard because at the end of the day beauty is subjective .

Anyways that's just my opinion so feel free to yell and scream if you disagree.

(I am posting this again wanted to change few things but couldn't edit it sorry. )

I think many of you know jimin's dad's cafe site received hate from shippers and solos when they posted something and they closed the comment section and after that jimin's solo went to jungkook'si dog's ig giving hate to a innocent dog to the point of wishing he would "die" people are achieving new level of low. And after everything they have to blame army for this according to them "this fandom hates jimin" "They are not doing anything to protect jimin and his dad from shippers" "Instead of focusing on jimin this fandom are trending stupid thing they are NOT focusing on shippers and get rid of those" "Army are jimin's ANTIS they can't get this people away from jimin" Etc not just solos but some of "pretending to be army" Are posting stupid thing and deliberately ignoring comment of people explaining and replying to comments of solos.

parasocial level is off roof if you have came across them. you can never get rid of anyone this is internet they will comeback again in no time. We can get rid of anyone we have done that long time ago.

This shippers, solos and antis have gc where they plan to mass hate something this was nothing new just by comments you could tell they someone posted that post in gc and they decided "let's show him guys".

Talking about " You should focus on shippers to get rid of them" You can't! you can't get rid of anyone on internet what kind of delulu world you guys are living in get away from the bubble of twt and look into the real world. Army side of twt is somehow very monitored by media if we did trended shippers or "focuse" on shippers that would make it to media and shippers content is disgusting which make spicy for reporters more shits on BTS more clicks for them and this won't even make shippers go away if only they will increase don't underestimate BL fans more hate to other members this is the very reason why many army have decided to block, report and move on dig these people as deep into to the algorithm as possible away from where members won't see (they won't lurk around on internet like you guys they have more work to do) and media won't get any reason to post those disturbing post to the world just to make members uncomfortable. This is the very reason why we keep quit and dont make noise we want to silent you are just fighting with a gost that can never end stop behaving as if you are doing something you are not.

The very sensible thing is something we all have decided to comment supportive comment on jimin's dad's cafe ig silently report and block people don't give shippers clicks. Trending something is not solving anything "army are jimin's antis" Bruhh the first thing jimin's gonna do while posting on wevers is wish army and ask how we are because he knows the hate they get are from antis, solos and shippers they have functioning brian. "BTS SHOULD DISBAND because my fav is getting hate because of this" The moment you wish for the disbanded is prove how much insensitive you are who can't even understand that how much your fav loves the members and always are wishing since they have separated to perform together solos always just proves that to be solo you need to be extremely heartless and brainless these are requirements.

I have noticed that many army are leaving twt and now that kook has threads they are shifting there and bluesky. I am just going to be extremely out of loop of any bts content on ig would just see members posts that's it got to clean up, I rather stay on reddit (bts sub are the most non problematic and funny), and blue sky (people are too sweet there no stupid trending section) but right now away from other bts Or kpop thing I want rest kpop was supposed to be enjoyable which I am not enjoying right now I am at the peak of my career and doing alot of things on side I rather be active when boys would be back and active it's stressing me and very scary how parasocial people are.

So first I want to say that I have nothing against K-pop groups promoting in the US. I think it makes perfect sense because its a big market where a lot of potential money is. Wanting to earn money is ok to me of course I just think it becomes quite pathetic/weird when the main focus isn't money anymore but just wanting to chart high on some dumb chart (billboard) from a country that is on the other side of the globe and doing everything possible to achieve that, even changing your entire sound or even switching out languages.

What I will say next might sound a little hypocritical, but I think in general this general obsession with the western market skyrocketed after BTS released "Dynamite," even after then BTS members stated they would never start singing in English just a year prior. But I give those guys the benefit of the doubt as to why they did that after coming so close to charting at number 1 on the Hot 100 chart (which, yes, is a pretty big deal, fair enough); they thought they needed to do this to get there because we know how much radio plays count towards the Hot 100 chart, and we also know that radio stations in the USA don't really like to play non-English songs, and also we know that in order to win a Grammy, your song pretty much needs to be in English, and yes, for BTS, winning a Grammy was pretty damn realistic, at least way more realistic than any other K-pop group ever, so fair enough they tried but failed.

But now I want to talk about a group that can't seem to accept the fact that they won't become mainstream in the US, which I loved and adored since 2017, and that group is TWICE, and I really think JYPE needs to just let go of the idea of TWICE making it big or becoming mainstream in the US because after years of trying to do everything possible to make it happen (while at the same time completely ignoring the Korean and Asian market), it just failed over and over again. And now don't get me wrong: Twice are very successful in America, selling 150k albums in one week with "Ready to Be" or filling out huge stadiums, which is huge and great, but Twice have struggled to chart on the Hot 100 chart, especially without a song that is not in English and has like 30 different versions ready for fans to mass buy, while so many other groups have charted much higher with Korean songs and without having to rely on multiple remixes.

They tried over and over again, making their sound more Western and singing in English, but nothing seemed to work. Their new album is mainly in English—even the title track is in full English with a big Western collab—and yet there still was no big reaction from the US audience.

I think it's just pathetic for K-pop artists like Twice, who don't even have a single member who speaks English even at a semi-fluent level, to just completely sing in English just in the hopes of even charting on the Hot 100. like they are not fighting for number 1 like BTS; they are fighting to even just enter the top 100.

I think it's just humiliating to the group whose members struggle to spell out and pronounce "strategy" (which by the way, is not hating on them; it's just a fact that they don't know English well, which is not actually a problem by itself) to have them fully sing in English because obviously, their next album will be in full English in hopes of doing better in America once again.

It's really sad to me that they have to remove their Asian identity in order to be accepted in the West. I personally wish they would stop caring about what the West thinks about them and embrace their culture and languages more, especially after the Western mainstream audience rejected them over and over again.

Does anyone else find this comment annoying when someone points out an idols bad/lackluster vocals? Why would they have to sing? they didn't train for years to do so? This argument is stupid as all hell in my opinion and only given because you can't Confidently disagree.

Hi everyone!

Welcome to Free For All Friday - a weekly “rant about anything” thread.

Do you want to rant about a recent episode of your favourite Kdrama? Drama around a Kfilm or Kcelebrity? Have something to get off your chest about Kpop but don’t want to do a post? Need a space to rage into the void about life, work or school? This thread is here for that.

A couple of house keeping guidelines:

• Don’t mention user names
• No rants about the existing banned topics
• No social media ranting, use the weekly megathread for that (this thread opens each Tuesday)
• Regular sub rules apply

Our intention is to have a space for causal ranting - don’t be a buzzkill and rain on someone else’s rant.

This is a space to RANT but that doesn't give you the right to get emotional and start using these threads to lead hateful campaigns against users who have different opinions and perceptions than you.

We will definitely pay close attention to what's happening and won't hesitate to ban if necessary.

I’m not a nctzen (?) so I don’t know if this is normal for that, but I really hate what could’ve been such a cool pop up turned into a mob :( Especially after recent controversies and international fans claiming it’s Kfans that act like that…then did that.

I know I’m def not the only one bugged by it, but I randomly think about it and get annoyed lmao. That was so cool of him to show up and could’ve been great for the organizers but people don’t know how to act

this is absolutely not a new or uncommon opinion, but i seriously cannot get over what they did to the girls of illit's teeth omg. i really dont know if it was hybe's decision or all of the members, but 5 girls at that young of an age ALL deciding to get veneers seems unlikely. and this is not to say they are not still so beautiful, they were just ALSO beautiful beforehand!!

there was NOTHING wrong with any of their teeth/smiles/faces pre-debut and it's so sad they've lost that originality in themselves by now having the same teeth as everyone other idol.

it can absolutely be argued that if they hadn't changed their teeth they would've gotten dragged by netizens, however, now the opposite problem is happening because half of them have veneers that are too big for them!!!!

i just hope they are the cap type of veneers and not the ones where you shave your teeth down and fill in the gaps. kpop idols (especially the young ones) feeling the need/being pressured into plastic surgery is just so disheartening.

I've always loved the 2 members of TVXQ. I feel like 2 people make a complete team. But nowadays I see lots yunho fans make account to bash changmin. they dont like changmin, I wonder why? or maybe my feeling only. can someone explain?

Because of all the NJs drama I’ve been getting posts from their sub on my timeline, and seeing the comments is just..wow. I can not imagine being that out of reality that they honestly believe that 1 this Omega deal was done within 2 weeks / Danielle somehow poached the advertisers, & 2 that this is GOOD for NJs. Poaching advertisers & having unauthorized SNS & posting those ads like this (especially if / when their contracts are confirmed to be valid) is going to be HORRIBLE for their case.

Bunnies are cheering them on for this, but none of this will help them. If the courts find their contracts valid, they have just committed a lot of extremely serious contract breaches (yes, everything done during this “up in the air time” would be breaches). This will not only make it harder for them to actually leave the contract, but if they do then they will be fined even more than they may have had they just exited the contract normally.

Seeing how they speak about this all is actually kind of sad. They are the girls’ worst enemy, cheering on poor choices. It’s like a friend committing a crime & you saying “yay, do it again girl boss!” except they aren’t the girls’ friends and this stuff could put them in serious debt and ruin their lives.

But once again, the “haters” seem to care about them not getting in more trouble more so than their fans…

Seeing how delusional people can get in kpop spaces makes me really worried because these people walk around in the world, thinking you can just disregard law & contracts because…idek. Cause they think they’re above it? Millions of people have believed they’re above the law, & the law wins 9/10.

It won’t even feel vindicating when what so many people have said is happening is proven to be true (the contracts being valid & this being breach), it’s just sad.

In January when Belift/HYBE & MHJ will go at it in court, who do you think will end up gaining the upper hand or eventually win.

I’m not exactly sure what either party will earn or lose if the other wins/loses but share your own opinions, even who you could possibly be rooting for 🤷‍♀️

Personally I want to see what will happen to MHJ and why she didn’t file for plagiarism instead of defamation since she claims ILLIT copied NewJeans basically all the time. Does she really have no proof, and it was all media play? Not sure

I don’t want to reignite the entire drama in detail, but I need to highlight one specific issue: moderators (the very people who are supposed to set an example) pretended to be people of color when they weren’t. They spoke on topics they had no direct experience with and gained a false legitimacy by assuming an identity that wasn’t theirs.

Why is this such a big deal? Passing yourself off as a person of color just to feel justified in commenting on racial or cultural matters is not only dishonest, but extremely dangerous. It completely skews the conversation and undermines the community’s trust. It also diverts attention from the voices that truly deserve to be heard, diminishes the credibility of these discussion spaces, and increases skepticism towards anyone identifying as a POC in the future.

Now, these individuals have disabled their accounts or fled their responsibilities, but how can we be sure they won’t do it again elsewhere? They stole an identity to assert a right to speak on topics they shouldn’t have weighed in on, used inappropriate slurs.

This behavior is deeply upsetting. Not only does it betray the community’s trust, but it also harms those who actually live these experiences. I sincerely hope other subreddits will be vigilant about the identities and intentions of their future moderators, because this kind of impersonation should never happen again.

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Where do i start.

-yoongi’s scooter shenanigans

-cherry bullet disbandment

-riize seunghan departure

-new jeans disbandment

-KG leaving Vcha + lawsuit

-hybe internal document leak.

-taeil being charged with r-pe

EDIT

-fromis_9 disbanding

-loosemble didbanding

-weki meki disbanding

ON A GOOD NOTE!

-red velvet comeback + Irene solo

-rosé solo (absolutely viral)

-2NE1 + G dragon comeback

-kiss of life tour (unfortunately they were overworked)

-katseye debuting

-Big ocean debut (group with hearing impairments)

-IVE tour

Not in any specific order. gonna miss cherry bullet, and nwjns too, but i haven’t given up hope that they will redebut into another company!

i want to apologize for calling taeils actions a “scandal” as it was more than that. i fixed it now.

Trigger warning: mentions of suicide

Okay, so I don't know if I'm the only one who keeps seeing these posts about idols who have worn safety pin necklaces, and that apparently it means that they attempted suicide. First if all, I have never heard of such a thing, the only thing I've ever heard the safety pin be associated to is being a safe person to be around and supporting different minority groups. But, even if this has somehow been a thing for ages, I really doubt most of these idols know what it means (or they couldve gotten it from a stylist). It's incredibly damaging to claim that these individuals you know nothing about have attemped suicude and convince other fans that this is true too. Didn't we agree not to make assumptions?? Of course, this industry is incredibly toxic and many have probably attempted suicide, but it's not our place to snoop around into their buisness, it's frankly rude and unneccesary. Please, let's not make these kinds of assumptions for our own, other fans and the idols sake.

Hi everyone!

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So there was a k-youtuber named eunvaise and she disliked some of kpop song of this year I respect her opinion it's not like I'm going to change her music taste. Anyway I was reading the comments and these people are sending rude comments for example, "oh delete your account" "you have a bad taste" "you need to get your ears checked" first off, that's her opinion secondly, if you don't like the video then freak off nobody told you guys to click her video in a first place thirdly, you can't change her opinion we each have our own taste. Kpop fans make my blood boil sometimes just because she hates your favorite song doesn't mean she hates a group. Rants over kpop fan need to grow up they're not a baby anymore music is music opinion is opinion.

A bit of a rant if you wanna stay and read This is a bit serious topic so i will try to help others but also use words that dont trigger those who are affected

I find it so gross , especially as someone who struggled with mental health issues for over a decade, who lost friends due to battle with depression, who lost opportunities to work at jobs i wanted because i am deemed "slow, paranoid, uncapable to work harder tasks and at night" etc who lost friendships because of my struggles, who had side effects due to meds and made my mom cry and my sisters and brother worry

I am glad that i have better relationships with my family tho but thats not the topic now

I know for a fact that not everyone has this support and opportunity to get help so thats why i wanted to speak on this

I wish some kpop fans would stop posting sad moments of kpop, of idols who lost their parents or grandparents or any loved ones like friends or siblings or pets... i want fans to stop posting of idols who have illnesses and panic attacks and fainting on stage... my struggles and not just mine but of others is not a thing you can enjoy and profit off lol how insensitive you have to be to post of someones hard moments to enjoy ? Of someone crying at a funeral? Of parents crying to their kids they lost at Sewol ferry tragedy... of supporting idols that sample a cult leader that manipulated others to take their own lives...

If you care that much for well beings of idols, then why do you harass idols you dont like? why do you harass anyone that doesnt agree with you? Why do you stalk idols? Why do you treat them like puppets to dance how you order them to? Why dont you speak up against military that traumatizes idols ? Why not listen to korean people on that drama your popular idol acted in ? Why dont you speak up for foreign idols? For women and girls? For lgbtqia? For disabled? Mentally ill? Muslim? Other races? Why do you use male idols that struggle as a way to silence women? Why do you mock a male victim because "he isnt good looking" because an actress controlled him?? Why not fight for free health care for idols and others that struggle with mental health and discrimination? Why not try to find a way to fight against discrimination that causes stress to others? Cause i know whats that like

Thats it for me

I’m aware we all have biases and are allowed to post whoever we want but it annoys me when I see very popular accounts (I’m talking 40 million likes) only post certain members performances and never all the members. As a result, only certain members get high views while the others get low views because popular accounts don’t post them.

Body topics have always been an issue in the Kpop realm because of Korean beauty standards and how fans all over the world precieve them.

Its actually so weird when I see a comment calling Wonhee "fat" when shes normal weight especially for her age.

Literally so many other idols have been on massive hate trains because of their weight and being "fat", so I'm glad its not as big on Wonhee and its just some petty comments but it doesnt end there.

Even when an idol is "too skinny", instead of worrying they then shame their bodies too. Wonyoung and Rose are a prime example of it. Then they just down play it like saying "But people are gonna idolize their body" ever wonder why one might idolize their body?

Because kpop fans will see someone of normal weight, call them fat, then when they get skinner, make fun of them for being a skeleton.

I've been a kpop fan since 2016 and was finally thinking the whole bodyshaming was lessing over time (other than the Shindong comments) but it seems like its not.

Literally, do better.

This has been annoying me. When a member releases a solo something (performance, song, video) and some fans have to mention another member. Example: x releases a song. Comments: does this mean Y will also release a song? I’m excited for Y now. Can’t wait to see Y song. When is Y coming out? This is just annoying and rude to me. Can they talk about their bias in another post and not a post about another member?

I’m just here to say, that I absolutely hate this new generation of GG’s “y2k aesthetic” such as new jeans(rip) and new red velvet. Everything is so over produced and over perfected that it just comes off as boring. I miss colorful fun themes, and fun music videos(TT twice, Very nice Seventeen, Touch my body SISTAR )Anyone else feel like this? I can’t tell if I’m just old. I also really really miss like “ultra feminine” concepts such as Apink’s secret garden, baby baby SNSD, and short hair AOA.

It's to the point where whenever I see a short with that song come up it's an instant skip for me, no matter how interesting the short could be.

It was great at the start but hearing that same shxt being repeated over and over has really turned me off it.

I’ve unfortunately witnessed every bit of the hate train since around April, where it was really quite severe. No rookie should have 8,000 comments that are all hate on their Instagram barely a month after debut. Thankfully the hate now has died down a bit for the most part (except for like 4 certain fandoms..) but what really pisses me off is people using it for engagement now. Example: posting videos of runext like the one where Wonhee was “lipsyncing” (even though she wasn’t) that’s from basically almost 2 years ago. There’s literally no explanation to post that except to be hateful because you know how people will react with their hate boner for illit.

People (certain fandom) will quite literally just spread literal lies and misinformation about them and it will get 10k+ likes on Twitter and nobody bats an eye. The things I’ve seen people call these girls proudly are horrendous and nobody sticks up for them🤦🏽‍♀️ They’re literally like the punching bag of these platforms

I mean I literally saw a post of someone calling Wonhee fat and ugly and it got almost 2K likes, she is a CHILD??? SHE JUST TURNED 17 THIS IS NOT NORMAL

It’s even the small things too, people will add them in their “worst kpop songs of 2024” and then add in the most majestical and amazing song by them ever. One guy even said “it’s not that bad but it got old” okay… if it’s not bad then why is it even in the thread??? Like they think we can’t see you making a whole ass thread just for the sole purpose sneakily find a way to shade them … what kind of joblessness is that???

I mean here’s everything I can REMEMBER off the top of my head they got hate for • Moka wearing a black jacket • Wonhee hurting her ankle • Liking Kalguksu • Wonhee not using her crutches correctly • Standing too close to a boy from another group • Winning over BND • Winning over BabyMonster • Winning ROTY (2x) • Got hate for NOT winning at the Bbmas?? • Moka eating pasta (people said she looked like a pick me) • Partnering with a telecom company • Having a fortnite emote • Blonde hair • Same shirt as Danielle • Holding an L sign (with hand) • Having natural hair • Debut date • Wearing bloomers • Having flowers in Magnetic MV • Having puzzle pieces in Magnetic MV • Encore (understandable, except there was barely any criticism though just plain hatred so idk if this should even be here) • Being nominated at MTV • Losing MTV???? • Yunah being tall • Mokas head shape • Yunahs head shape • Yunahs hands • Wonhee facial expression • Sticking out tongue and winking at the same time • Wearing Japanese-style retro glasses • Wonhee having a Bob (only for them to realize it wasn’t a Bob but just the angle😐😐) • Accidentally following their own fan accounts (GLLITs) on twitter • Thanking their creative team and families when accepting awards • Being confused

Like this is just getting ridiculous really… these girls have done absolutely nothing yet how do they garner so much negativity from people🤦🏽‍♀️. How much do you have to hate them to get mad when they DONT win. Like can they do anything atp???? I cant lie, most of this is from certain fandoms but sometimes not, but it still irks me They’re not even a year old yet but have gone through the same amount of hate a group 2x older🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

Like there’s no way a group not even 10 months old already has over 10 setup accounts purposefully inciting people to hate on them on Twitter, and one of which has been doing since FEBRUARY. EVERY DAY… is that not insane

Plus not even a month ago a certain fandom was saying racist things about Iroha & Mokas family, bringing up Hiroshima/Nagasaki and photoshopping their faces on actual N@zis… like IM SICK

+++ invading the comments of Mokas grandpas bakery, sharing pics of up their skirts saying they’re ‘p€dobait’, harassing the literal brands that make clothes for them because they insisted the girls plagiarized them instead of just buying them (???) until they closed their comments completely. The OFFICIAL brand accounts. Genuine delusion.

Just a rant idk if anyone else has noticed this either, idk if I’m dramatic, I don’t really care either but yea!

the amount of accounts, especially on tik tok and twitter that are just absolute NONSENSE content that is strictly for hating and lying on idols under the guise of it being "satire" is so so ridiculous. and then you have ppl in the comments not realizing OP isnt being serious and AGREEING ?? with them and believing fake news and stuff. it's actually BONKERS. shit posting just for clicks and views and bc you think it's funny to see ppls reactions is disgusting and is absolutely ruining fandom culture

I am in my late 20’s and have been a kpop fan since I was a little girl. My aunt came home from Korea with her military bf, showed me videos and it was a wrap!!!! So, as someone who has seen the Hallyu wave grow in the USA, grew up with many groups…I just love how big kpop is now it’s insane. This is what a lot of the artists want.

I know through fan wars and stupid shit like that people hate or try to downplay international success, but I have been following kpop for over a decade now and many, many artists just wanted international success and to view it happening.

Just today, I was in NYC for santacon and at a bar they randomly played “APT” by rose and I was just in disbelief at the entire club singing along and doing the apt game like that’s insane. I attribute this success to many groups but I have to give it to the marketing teams of kpop in general as someone who grew into working marketing!! They’ve been ingenuous and I believe BTS has a major hand in it as well.

guess this is just a little rant but I feel like I’m way too invested in kpop lately, I personally own a TikTok page myself which is quite ‘big’(prefer to keep it private) and kpop especially recently is just taking a toll on my health, it was supposed to be fun at first but I feel like I HAVE to know about all recent events because I have to post about it now, I need to know about all recent drama and post about it and as I’ve mentioned it’s just not fun anymore..

probably a little dumb but🤷‍♀️

not sure if this'll be taken as controversial but for me i've always had a more slim and small figure and i've been body shamed/bullied for being too skinny, i've been called all bones, bullied for having smaller boobs or having a 'flat' ass because people think it's okay to make these comments due to what they think is more desirable/attractive, or what society has deemed it as better to be 'thicker' / more curvy, or because of their cultures beauty standards. K-pop idols and their smaller frames and slimmer figures have helped me feel more comfortable and confident in my own body, knowing that they have the same features as i do and they still look beautiful and feminine and confident. Especially the idols i look up to and love for their personalities and who they are as people, them having a body like mine makes me feel okay with myself.

It’s funny when I see fans on fandom subs claim they are not as biased and toxic as fans on other social media sites. A fan complained how they watched a performance on YT and solo stans were only praising one member. Yet on the sub, fans also praise one or two members often on many posts. I’ve seen fans on subs say they only buy their bias photocard, only follow their bias on social media, only support their bias solo content, etc. There are a ton of solo stans on subs and they shouldn’t pretend they aren’t.