first of all, it’s wrong to assume people’s relationships when you don’t even know them personally. what we see onscreen may not be whats actually happening irl. sometimes idols may not like the shipping and sometimes the fanfics get so disgusting to the point that it makes me sick. i’m not talking about nsfw content alone but stuff like literal EYE fetishes, inconsensual gang rape and weapon play. fans should keep in mind that a lot of the time the company tells the idols to do fanservice to make their fans happy. plus, take minsung for an example. their collab song “want so bad” has a green and pink cover. i saw this video on instagram that was about MIXING GREEN AND PINK PAINT and the entire comment section was “MINSUNG” and “WANT SO BAD MENTIONED??” like come on think about it, would you want a complete stranger to ship you with someone you don’t even like?

I've been quite a casual listener of SEVENTEEN but there are certain tracks that are not palatable for me (at least for now). Many self proclaimed "carats" see it as a cardinal sin to criticize their songs because apparently it's disrespect to their producer, Woozi. While I understand the sentiment, all I'm gonna say is that if you make songs, criticism, whether positive or negative, is already guaranteed 🤷

We all know the AI omnipresence in the kpop world right now, and it's getting exhausting because it sucks out the creativity of amazing artistic directors or amazing music video makers. We've seen countless examples in the past months :

• MADEIN made a great song but it was mainly overshadowed by the use of AI in its music video. It was so horrendous that they had to release a "Natural" version, that was still using bad AI. It even changed the face of the members, which is super weird for a DEBUT song.
• Red Velvet "Cosmic" teasers used AI and were made fun of. Fortunately, it was only for the teasers and Cosmic is like, one of the best songs ever + an amazing video. But, still.
• ARTMS posters for the "main" songs were full of AI, like 100%. People bashed it online, and then said after that it was to make a "critique"on the world of AI. Once again, saved by a good album, but it was super criticized.
• iii changed the faces of the members of the group by replacing them with AI "enhanced" face and everyone called them "the uncanny valley group".

I could go on and on on this matter, but when I saw that the amazing girl group, STAYC, were releasing a song called GPT, oh, I was scared. I was excepting the scariest thing. But when the song got released, I let out a breath of relief by how amazing the song is BUT also by how they actually used the GPT concept.

They took the concept in a creative way : ChatGPT represents an unrequited love (or a one sided love), when someone answers all of the question you have, but they never ask you any in return and they don't talk back to you when showing signs of love. It's mostly shown by the "Baby, I love you" followed by the " dot / dot / dot / dot / dot", and so, because they're not answering, they're saying "I'm calling you GPT".

The music video is also an amazing concept of its own. While it shows the one sided love, with the "white blanket person" being faceless and never answering anything they say, and never being really "here", it also shows something else. It shows how society could be if we only relied on Artificial Intelligence : dull and boring. The girls live in some kind of lab, with the scientists trying to make the love between the "GPT" person and them work, but every each of them is realizing that they won't ever love them back. They want to change, but can't, because it's the only thing that's presented to them. Going back to the dull and boring, it's shown by them wearing ( almost all the time ) one coloured outfits, and by everything being grey-ish except at one moment. The end. We see J, throwing a key to break the old pattern : she doesn't want to live with AI all of her life. Each of them runs off from the lab, being way happier and not fixated on love, but rather just enjoying themselves.

This is kpop excellence. The song is amazing and I think they popped off in the symbolism of connecting the music video to our current relationship with AI.

I’ve been watching starlight boys and project 7 and I’m hoping to watch universe league too. The point of all of these shows is to create a multinational group.

So why am I constantly seeing people in the English comments encouraging others to only vote for Korean artists and then saying things that are borderline racist about the other nationalities.

Particularly starlight boys. Ranting about the more experienced Chinese idols experience not counting as it was in China.

The whole point is to create groups with the most talent for a group to be successful. It shouldn’t matter what nationality they are.

I am well aware people will only vote for their favourites regardless of talent but what I don’t accept are the nasty comments being made.

It’s 2024. Talent is talent no matter where it comes from.

Also side note but those leaving hate under the boys on starlight for being too feminine and attacking them. Again it’s 2024

While there's no wrong in protecting your personal identity, I find it quite hypocritical when I see accounts who post things for shock value or just plain hate towards a group. It's so dehumanising on the idol's end.

Now that everything with HYBE and Riiza has happened, it made me reflect on the situation with Girls' Generation (SNSD) and Jessica. Personally, I feel she rubs me the wrong way, but that’s just my opinion—no offense intended.

The common belief is that the other members chose to kick her out, but what if SM Entertainment made that decision out of pettiness? When you look at their current group dynamics(Riiza) and how they seem to be setting up the boys to suggest they want to kick someone out, it makes me wonder if the girls ended up taking the fall for it. I could be off base here, but it’s definitely something to think about.

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Wish I could post the OP, but no option for pics unfortunately. Basically, it was about Hongjoong and Seonghwa from ateez posting pics in the same location. And the comments were like:

“The audacity to think we wouldn’t notice. LIKE PLEASE. We notice everything 😌😌😌”

“This is the best lovestagram I’ve seen 🥺 They’re so in love.”

“They definitely shared hotels together and cuddled during the night”

I’m just SO tired of headcanons and people using ANY and ALL interactions to “prove” it. I don’t give a damn who’s dating who, why should any of us get involved and make up thirsty scenarios about them? That’s gross and creepy. If I was dating someone in a jealous and homophobic society, I’d hate for people to try and oust us.

Also, forcing sexualities on real people is unhinged. Maybe they experimented at some point and decided they weren’t into each other in that way. Maybe one of them is ace, maybe one is undecided, like WHO TF KNOWS. And why should anyone care?

It’s like people get off to it being taboo. Dating shouldn’t be some taboo secretive scandal anyways, regardless of orientation. Just appreciate them for who they ARE, not who they COULD BE. Cause if it turns out different, are these shippers gonna be weirdly toxic about it?

That’s my rant. Y’all probably tired of hearing this stuff, but I just need to get it out somewhere.

Just most recently with RIIZE's Seunghan hiatus turned to definite leave from the group all due to his past dating life was unveiled, I just can't wrap my head around it. To be forced to leave your group all cause of what? Dating? All because of an idol being a normal person on their mid-20s experiencing dating irl? And it all boils down to this prevalent problem yet again: Parasocialism at the cost of disregarding an Idol's autonomy & humanity because its always about satisfying what the fans would "want" even at the expense of an Idol's well-being.

And I feel like its deeply ingrained within Kpop-spaces even on day-to-day interactions that we think its 'normal' when it shouldn't be. Like on how Idols must always be "polite" & "smile" towards the paparazzi everytime they land on airports lest they may be labelled as "rude". How when a male idol or a bg member has to sometimes 'flirt' with fans and entertain fans by referring themselves as their "boyfriends, lover, etc" or any other romantic interests during fancalls & lives. I mean I'm not saying that Idols are not allowed to be "flirty" as they're adults, but you would be obtuse and blind to not see how some of these "requests" are sometimes invasive and way too weird and these idols just have to "smile & laugh" and proceed as if there's nothing wrong even if they do look a bit uncomfortable.

And it's not just the fault lies in fans, It would be remiss of me to not say too that the label partake & participate with fanning the flames of Fanservice culture; with one most recent proof of this fact is the exposed HYBE internal report from admitting having studied "postype" (Korean AO3) to study fanservice methods in which member's duo-bond content they are going to produce & focus more on shooting, as if these idols are just soulless Sims you just mix-and-match up on a game, when they are not Dolls but actual real-live people. What's worse are not only are these contents are given on the idols to perform, they also generate a harmful narrative & just gives a free-pass for more rabid fans to make up delusional headcannons on an Idol's personality & relationship towards their own co-worker. Which also enables hate towards any member outside the chosen "fanservice" duo. So like these labels aren't stupid they study the fans.

Another thing is with a Seventeen's member most recent letter telling about how they're "overworked". It all comes down to it being caged to the realm of Parasocialism again; The need to do multiple back-to-back contents of promotion, the non-existent gaps to little-to-no-rest between comeback releases when normally an artist usually takes about 2-3 years to create an album. And let's not use that tired "artists =/= idols" excuse when the bottomline is they're STILL human. And if that's your argument, that's my "Point" because it's soo easy for you to dismiss them like they're robots that just churn out unlimited content for you without getting tired. Whilst for a non-kpop artist you have no problem giving them the grace of a "waiting time" cuz let's be real; Kpop stans are spoiled. Some don't even marinate a group's comeback till they're already want a new 'era' already.

So bottomline line is: The fans have actually more power than they think and it would be nice if we would be more responsible on how to "wield" it towards our idols. "Respect Idol's Mental Health" yeah that actually includes and accepting the harsh truth of allowing them to do things that sometimes won't 'Satisfy' you as a fan. Whether that includes taking a longer time to release music, not doing fanservice or aegyo, or not calling or even making music of a different genre that is not mainstream nor your type. Respect their decisions.

I'm sorry it's just a bit funny for me to see Armys moving faster to overreact to Mhj mentioning Tae kindly greeting her in passing when where were YOU during the Hybe Interim Report exposing themselves that they have not taken immediate action to sue against Sojang at all but rather subscribed too?

Were you defending Tae's behalf when Hybe exposed themselves to rather seeing the hate train brewing against V within DC Gallery but choose not to respond? Where were all of you when all of this is happening against V?

"Trust BTS" I don't think ya'll do, what are you gonna do when he comes back and he'll keep showing that he has good relations with MHJ? Why would he have beef with the person that is the creative director of his album? He chose her over BH for a reason. What then? See? You don't actually trust their decisions more than your own. You want their decisions to align with what you 'want', so you lie and would rather spread misinformation that he "broke military phone rules" just to deny such an innocent thing happened.

Hybe's Beef with MHJ is not Taehyung's Beef, that's between the company and her, You're not ready to hear it but Taehyung might not "hate" her like the way you do. You're gonna have to accept that the sooner the better or pack it up.

I am an army and I dont like min hee jin like majority of the fandom, but how the fandom reacted when min hee jin mentioned taehyung is ridlicious. They kept saying min hee jin is using him, he dont know what is happening, etc.

Min hee jin said he messaged her happy birthday last year. She also mentioned him tht he MESSAGED her AFTER her first press conference. It's clear as day that he probably supports her more than hybe. If he has a problem with her mentioning him, he would have done like jungkook did since hes a grown man. But he didnt. He probably dont care.

Plus, there is 90% chance that he doesnt care about her trying to destory his and other members' career. Like newjeans, he sees her as a friend who he wants to support than his own company. Dont be shocked he supports mhj and doesnt care she tried to ruin his life.

Stop speaking for him. Hes a grown man.

First of all, excuse my spelling or grammar mistakes english is not my first language and i wrote this in a hurry lol, also these are just my own thoughts, i dont plan on Inflicting my thoughts on others so please dont take this the wrong way! This is also more like a rant haha

Something ive struggled to understand in kpop is the tolerance for lipsyncing compared to the western music industry consumers are much more tolarent of lipsyncing lipsyncing is very much the norm in kpop to the point of calling it an open secret doesn't feel right to say bc its so out in the open and accepted.

It gets alot more push back in the music industry thats not to say it doesnt happen it obviously does but live vocals are expected and you'll receive much more criticism for lipsyncing from a western audience in fact the only times well hear kpop idols sing is when there peforming in the US because they know that lipsyncing wont go over well with an American audience and while they are alot of isuues in the western music industry with the western music industry being critical of artists who lipsync is something i wish we could in incorporate more into kpop this may sound harsh but personally i think being unable to sing live essentially makes you a glorified backup dancer idols who dont sing live provide no more than there backup dancers do.

Honestly companies would be better off just hiring back up dancers and having them lip sync than they would wasting time and money to train idols to sing because at the end of the day there not even using there voices its gotten to the point where i don't understand why compnies spend money on voice lessons for trainees and idols for the startiling lack of singing most of them do its genuinely jarring to me how much lipsyncing happens in kpop and how few people seem to realize or care about its implications lip syncing should be critized more and i cannot understand the mindset of people who aren't genuinely borthed by it. Ive seen youtubers point this out and kpop stans in the comment section will comment the dumbest shit on earth like "dancing and singing at the same time is difficult" "try singing and dancing yourslef and then talk" "and "i think lipsyncing is better for them" etc.... im not fucking stupid i know doing both of these things can be tiring ,but what do idols get training for? Training for 3+ years and u still are not able to handle ur stability ?? Why do companies invest in training yet it looks like the idols get trained for less than a day. beyonce had to sing while running on a tred mill to practice her stability and companies cant do proper training with all the monry they invest just sounds like a bunch of lies. Why do they pay sm trainee debt yet they have not improved one bit.

Or maybe this is just me ive been a kpop stan for less than 3 years and im slowly growing out of it.

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All people care about is which group has the most streams and “talent” (I mean obviously it’s awesome to be wickedly talented but people are so mean over it now)

Like I’m so tired of this “tanked, nugu payola, mediaplay” shit all the time

And it’s ironic how some people say the same thing as I’m saying right now but was just hating on another idol for having fun. I honestly think it’s the new aged kpop fans (Im saying this societally) reject actual fun and creativity now. Everything has to be a serve or a slay or be cvnt like pls. Why do you think most idols don’t even interact anymore or dance like that one Bts fancam at award shows or even look at each other, because people are f&cking insane. I mean wonhee is being bullied just because the Korean gp thought she was similar to wonyoung… yes, that’s literally it. Bc people think she’s similar

Plus the music has just gotten bland, sorry. I mean aespa has a good sound for themselves and you can hear a song be like “yup that’s so aespa coded” but I’m gonna be honest their music is not creative nor is it good😬 I have no idea how whiplash is going viral considering it’s the most bland techno song ever. Sm is getting embarrassingly desperate. I’m gonna round this back to what I said earlier, people only like it because of the girls themselves (valid, they’re cool) and because it’s a “serve” and they “ate”, so.

And the YG “sound” is getting tired. It’s like Teddy just grabbed a blackpink reject from 2022 and gave it to meovv ans that was the end of it. the reason why blackpink was so creative and popular at the time is because they were the first girl group to have music and the vibe like they did in 2016. now in 2024, it’s old. atp it’s rotten and molding😭😭 like we’re tired. where’s the spice and creativity??? How are you flexing about the money and fans you don’t have because your group just started existing 2 milliseconds ago bro??? The yg tactic isn’t working with them either, like the massive lack in content as soon as they were popped out the womb made everyone forget about them immediately and it’s sad. Idk what he’s doing. Baemon has the same problem except they’re not falling off (as I know of? Maybe their fans are just louder idk.) But anyways I’m not sure who does their music now but it’s just getting worse😭 They’re really living up to the blackpink 2.0 with every drip snippet released. You never thought it could get worse than sheesh. (Batter up was honestly good idk why people were hating) Like those girls are SO talented please give them an original concept and styling. And no, not one with cocomelon rhymes (woke up in Tokyo shade). But yea It feels weird seeing a 14 year old try really hard to be a baddie sometimes I’m ngl. Baemon seems to be branching out slightly in their creativity for this album though so we up (hopefully)🙂☝🏽↕️

What are your thoughts? By the way this is no hate to any group mentioned just my personal opinions and observations I don’t dislike any of them🙏🏼

Ok I can't believe I have to write this, but I've been seeing many threads titled of "Jessi assault victim" "Jessi victim" "Jessi beat up" It is so incredibly misleading because this makes it sound like she beat that kid up herself and it's so damaging because not only are we incriminating someone who did not put her hands on someone, we are also deflecting blame off of the inhumane scumbag who beat up a lil kid. Also: I don't give a frick if you think she's irresponsible or think she's a bad person or whatever, that's not the point I'm making

Their previous work is on my driving playlist but the MV put me off streaming the album. I can't take a pack of teens with an expensive car and grills seriously. Like, it's one thing to see a successful rapper doing that, but it just comes off as trying hard to be "hip hop cool" if it's a kpop group that doesn't have much of a history with rap.

from all that shit that has been reported. what they were saying about other groups is just amping up the bullet that those stans are gonna use against their own idols, like the comment about SM gg visuals and a certain SM groups Coachella performance (cough cough aespa)... its just like.. girl??!@?

speaking about vocals too, they are VERY AWARE of what people are saying about the vocals regarding illit and le sserafim but chose to either ignore that or continue that for what reason? I have no clue. Its prob soo far fetched to say I want all their groups to leave because some aren't being appreciated (fromis and to an extent newjeans) and some are just being sabotaged so bad by their own company (LE and illit).

also the whole thing about them pushing album sales is just.. sigh.

sorry for my sloppy messy writing.

TLDR: If the system will fuck you, you should fuck it back

Listen, the idol industry is an extremely abusive system that is SOOO in favor of the companies abusing ppl that the diets of people who have admitted to having eating disorders become trends. Not only do does 3Jeong have video proof of the cruelty of ATTARKT staff throwing away their parent's home cooked food, but ATTARKT also never revealed how much debt was left. When I say I believe that these two things constitute reasoning to leave the company I really mean it. That's without acknowledging the fact that an ATTARKT CEO used the money from investors in FiftyFifty to pay off the million+ dollar debt in his other failed group and as such can't be trusted to act successfully. There is no guarantee of success with them.

But, even without these two things the system is abusive as fuck. People are trained from a young age and bullied for debuting in their mid 20's, dating gets you harassed/kicked out, and people stan a company more than they stan you. Idols in general, but 3Jeong in particular, should get as much as they possibly can. Even if you argue that ATTARKT wasn't as abusive as other companies as we've seen with HYBE, STARSHIP, and WAKEONE even "kind" companies prove themselves to be the same. If you had a chance to leave a company that throws away food so, you'll be thinner and join one that will do the same but have a higher chance of success, then why wouldn't you? It's genuinely uncommon to have a group leave a company without some attempt at harassment (Gfriend and their old names/songs), so the og FiftyFifty would still be mistreated, even if they tried to leave respectfully. Everyone talks about how the industry should change, but nobody realizes that this is the closest thing to being able to actually switch companies for a better one.

No, actually, how would you suggest they switch companies without bringing up allegations of abuse? Like, give me an example.

Everyone talks about how this will negatively affect smaller companies if this is allowed to happen, but that's a bit of a slippery slope fallacy. By this logic the ability of trainees to switch companies will cause them to go to larger companies, when it's the opposite ( JYP->Black Label for Somi, YG -> CUBE for Miyeon, etc.). Everyone is saying that people from smaller companies will leave for bigger ones, which I think forgets the fact that management, control over concepts, and ability to be focused on one artist is the appeal of working at a smaller company, not success. These are things a bigger company will not allow as easily. It's also a bad assumption because it supposes that smaller companies, by the right of being small, deserve to have massively successful artists. If a smart person transfers from a state school to an Ivy league, they are not seen as betraying the state school. If a talented person moves from a startup to Google, should we then look down on Google and the employee? NO, this is a job you move up to a company that will benefit you the most when you can.

This was originally supposed to be on another subreddit, but they're werid so I'll post it here.

First of all, it’s fine to find your bias or these idols attractive and consider them your type I’m not one to take that away from you. My issue lies with corny ass fans who go to fansigns or get into fancalls and harass their fave and their members with corny lines or insist that they’re together. Is it not like weird to you people??? You genuinely believe your fave would want you? Even the fruity ones? Insanity.

I recently saw a boyND fansign where this jaehyun wife stan tells woonhak that she’s his son and to call her mum since jaehyun is her husband and he’s like a father to WH. When I tell yall a part of me died inside 💀 “Let people have fun!!” No, I don’t think I will.

Of course they are nothing compared to lunatic sasaengs but with the way some of these people act they come fairly close to becoming one. Maybe if you people could stop suspending disbelief and come back down to reality it would benefit your lives. Use kpop and your groups as escapism, fantasise all you want but the minute you start actually believing it to mention it to the real human being that’s when it becomes weird as fawk IJBOL

Of course I’m not immune to this either. I’m a huge Eunseo (WJSN) bias and often refer to her as my kpop GF. Do I suspend disbelief when she acts cute on my screen? Sure. But am I dming her and telling her over fancall that I’m in love with her and she has to refer to me as her lover? Well no! Idols entertain your delusion because that’s their job, they use you for profit never forget that.

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Once again a man is a man but this time it's after months and months of her being bashed when in reality this girl did nothing wrong + what he did is very twisted.

She just dropped a youtube video talking about her side of the story. As of right now we don't have the full translation but allkpop gave us some part of it. Basically Minhwan went to adult etablishment before their divorce (you know why), about her education choice like sending kids to kindergarten like it was also his choice and about him "touching her body in front of his family and put cash on her chest".

Mind you after this incident she still was with him for 1 year, probably for her own children more than her. I feel SO BAD for this woman because as a fan of FTISLAND I saw all the the hate she got all these years from koreans men... (which always made me angry bc she did nothing).

I really hope that this man will be kicked out quickly. For people who wonder in the fanbase it seems that the korean fans are angry about him and won't make any apologize for him. Like I saw some tweets also being angry at other members. I don't see him being in FTISLAND after this (let's pray)

source: youtube video: https://youtu.be/UXCTNP4cZ7Y?si=GaWh0hh1s62Q4Gg8 allkpop article: https://www.allkpop.com/article/2024/10/yulhee-reveals-minhwan-visited-adult-establishments-before-their-divorce

This might feel a bit random, and i know anything related to blackpink isn't positively perceived, especially on reddit, but i really need to vent.

As a blink, with lisa being my bias, I've went through years of hate trains, led by the dumbest of reasons. And i'm used to them. But what the type of comments and posts that are being written against lisa are truly disgusting.

Out of 1000 posts, i only find one actually providing criticism on her performances and her overall music. The others are basically slutshaming, body shaming, or throwing random insults.

Yesterday, an interview with lisa was posted. One of the questions she was asked, was which people would she like to collaborate with. Lisa answered Doja Cat. She was said that she was a huge fan of hers, and that she likes everything about her music. (mind you lisa has been a fan of doja ever since her mooo era)

This answer really got some people shaking, even some blinks. Everyone's starting to call her attention seeker, a person with no "music identity" and someone who only cares about streams and collabs. I don't get what answer people wanted. Was she supposed to say no?

Why does everyone care about idols' mental health but not hers? Yes, i know that the pinks have a large fandom, thus they also have lots of haters. But that doesn't justify the massive hate trains. People are making fun of her English, her music, her performance, heck even her looks. I once saw a post sharing nayeon's ABCD m/v, and half of the comments were about lisa... None of them were positive.

It's because of those reasons that i'm distancing myself from blackpink related topics on social media. But even when i check up once, it's the usual hate trains, sometimes 10 times worse.

And I know this may seem like an inappropriate and unfair comparison, but this situation reminds of sulli's. Back then, i was more into kdramas, and sulli was my favorite actress. So sometimes, i can't help but worry about lisa. I know she has a lot people who support her, but that's not enough when you see the hate that she's going through.

I just don't want to lose another favorite idol. Please take people's mental health seriously...

Edit: This post was a mistake. I can't believe people in the comments are normalizing the hate...

K-pop fans often create random Twitter/X accounts featuring blurred, pixelated images of idols in ambiguous situations, often leading to fabricated facts, then a slippery slope of misunderstanding and toxic exchange of communication.

I find it cringey when past actions are continually brought up, forcing an idol to debunk them over and over again.

I understand the concept of parasocial relationships, but if fans aren't satisfied with the highly curated, filtered, and staged information provided by companies, and they instead choose to believe random Twitter accounts without critical thinking, has our ability to think critically really diminished? It's almost laughable.

When an idol starts to reveal their true colors or attitude, fans tend to go ballistic. This is because what they've presented is not genuine; it’s an illusion or a concept. The person you admire might actually be someone you would normally dislike, a bursted bubble, that is.

However, not everyone is capable of being both bad and good; it is simply human nature. Just a lack of rationality.

*Edit: didn't realize how vague I was being 😅. This was on a discussion about Aespa's most recent EP. A few people said cohesion is limiting and monotonous, they like the diversity and multi genre projects. I said cohesion differentiates artists and also makes them reliable across projects. It can also find strength in telling a story and present an idea over the whole project. Then y'know... the title of this post.

Not the biggest fan of song selections in most Kpop albums and eps (doesn’t mean I don’t like the music). Saw people against the idea of cohesion. Tried to make an argument for my point rather than against their point, and it seems they still took it a little personally. Accused me of putting words in their mouth. Misunderstood me when I was talking more for myself rather than them. Their rant started veering away at times too. Was just trying to give critique for disconnect in albums and for why I think cohesion works. I mean like… I can accept differing opinions to a degree, but to call mine “super parasocial” and “American” sounds.. a bit out of touch.

I didn’t want to start a fight 🫠 ^(or maybe I really did and it still showed >.> lmao ) Also wasn’t sure if this was more appropriate for this sub or r/kpop_uncensored, new to both.

I know that most of the problems we face now between fandoms and such were present way before but things have gotten way worse as new generations debut.

You can clearly see the gradual decline in enjoyment of idols at award shows and just in general with each other and the last time it was actually comfortable for artists to have fun without it seeming like a brave 'idk' thing by idols is latest 3rd gen and I mean earlier on when GOT7 and the like were still active. Again, I'm not saying there aren't any artists who still enjoy award shows but let's be real here. 4th gen stans have made things difficult, not all, but enough that the atmosphere has gotten to this point in Kpop. Again, I am well aware that stuff was bad as well in 3rd and 2nd gen but what's happening now is plain ridiculous.

Idols getting cancelled at every corner for the dumbest things, fandoms turning male idol and female idol interactions into vile things, the increased use of funeral wreaths, etc. As a 3rd gen stan I feel like a zillenial...old enough to remember the good old days but young enough to experience and be in the thick of this decaying stan culture.

It's sad how Kpop is becoming less and less about music. I did not mind it becoming mainstream because I was tired of being shamed for liking Kpop but most people who enter do not bother to understand it or venture back to see what Kpop was like.

I know I'll probably receive some hate and honestly all opinions are valid. I'm also not talking about anyone specific in this rant unless stated so plz don't assume I'm talking about your bias or whoever.

Kpop isn't about music anymore. It's about how "visual" an idol is (that shouldn't even be a position in a group bc every single idol is attractive... you kinda have to be to be an idol) and that's pretty much it. Idols rarely ever produce their own music (I'm aware BTS and Seventeen produce their own, and I honestly feel bad for Woozi he seems incredibly stressed) and half of them aren't talented at all and can't sing (I am NOT talking about LS). Can't sing? We'll fix it with auto tune. Can't dance? Don't worry that's easy enough to learn. Ugly? Don't worry we have surgeries to fix that. And you can tell some of them don't even wanna be there. They just happen to be hot or be some nepo baby and use their spot in a group to become an actor/ influencer/ model which is another issue for another time.

A lot of them don't know shit about music theory or what goes into actually creating a good, timeless song that means something. Not all songs have to make you cry or connect with you, but when those types of songs are made and it's just "I have so much money and you're just a hater I'm gonna rise above you" is really damn repetitive and to me, honestly childish and laughable. I can't take a 25 year old person saying that seriously bc as a 25 year old, I would never and don't know anyone who would say that and legitimately mean it. Those that have gone solo and are now making their own music outside of the groups label don't even use the advantage of freedom to create their own music. It's still just 2 minute, trendy shit music made to go viral on tiktok. You don't even know what a song is about half the time bc it's just a bunch of random words thrown together with a semi decent beat (APT is actually a pretty good song and you can tell Rosé is enjoying herself and actually has a passion for music). There's a difference between someone who makes music and a musician who makes music. I'm not saying every idol has to be David Gilmore or Aaliyah or sound like Mylene Farmer or Axl Rose but COME ON, half of the kids in these new groups don't/ can't even sing, they just drag out their words to make it seem like they're singing.

I don't think the majority of idols fit into what I just described, but at the same time we don't know since these companies and labels don't allow idols to fully express themselves and show how truly talented they are. I mainly listen to boy groups bc to me, almost all girl groups sound the same. They're forced to sing in a higher pitch and for the life of me I cannot distinguish who is singing when. I think I understand why a lot of these fully grown women are forced to sound like young girls... but that's another topic. I'm glad but honestly surprised HYBE changed LS sound and allowed them to sing in their normal voices. Kpop hasn't been about music for a long time and it's sad how the companies are eventually going to just implode on themselves.

What are your thoughts?

Lately I've been rlly thinking about rv success and comparing it to others groups and wondering y they're not as big as they should be. Rv have won numerous of big awards like soty, aoty, best girl group, rookie of the year and etc, and yet they're still holding small arenas for their concerts. They even won more soty then bp, but when ppl think of kpop it's always bts,bp and twice never rv and i don't understand why.

If u look back at their fancams from other awards shows you could hear fans saying their fan charts and singing along their songs when it's not even their concert. That's how big they were/are.

So what has happened why aren't they as deemed as "big" as bts, bp and twice?

The reason for this is cuz SM never capitalised on their popularity. While they where winning numerous of big awards, they were barely going on world tours to promote themselves worldwide and the promotion for their own songs where ass. Like twice for example promoted heavily in Japan and that's how their popularity got up. But rv have never even been to Tokyo dome which I find absurd cuz their first ever Japanese concert was in Yokohama Arena and that was sold out, so why haven't they been to Tokyo dome? SM has been hindering their popularity and has never been 100% with rv. Look how they've been promoting asepa compared to how they've been promoting rv, the difference is acc sad. And im always wondering y they didn't do the same with rv. Even nct has had a better promotion then rv. Rv is already extremely popular with their lack of promotion so imagine if sm just promoted them way better, they truly would be so big. And I'm always thinking if rv was in any other big 3 companies like jyp or even big-hit they would hv been promoted way better, and those companies probably would hv capitalised on their success. I mean just look how hype is promoting 17 a 9yr group. They have world tour back to back in big arenas and stadiums idk y sm just can't do the same with rv.

But the thing is not late for them to be deemed as "big" and to have a better promotion. Ppl nowadays only think a group is popular depending on how big their concerts are. So while rv hv been winning lots of big awards their concerts hall are hella small and that's the main reason why ppl seem as not big or popular as bts, bp or twice. If rv still had the same bad promotions but sm was booking them bigger stadiums and arenas ppl would consider them as big.

So why isn't sm doing that?

I truly don't know. If aespa a 4 year group and even nct are getting given bigger arenas and are selling them out idk y rv 10yr group is not given even bigger. Their last world tour had over 245k ppl waiting to book for small ass stadiums, if that's not an enough evidence for sm to give them bigger stadiums then idk what is. It still baffles me how nct and asepa got given a Tokyo dome before rv. Ppl keep saying u hv to be invited to Tokyo dome or it's a request from fans. Either or rv should hv had one way before or even now.

In short rv deserves way better and it's not to late for them to get better. Sm needs stop forgetting about them and start capitalising on their success before it's too late. They've already won numerous of prestigious awards, they now need to go on more world tours with way BIGGER arenas and stadiums back to back. I honestly just want to see the girls perform in bigger arenas and stadiums like Tokyo dome so they know just how big there are, it’s acc so frustrating as an old fan to see them get such small arenas when they can get bigger, especially when newer groups from the same company r getting bigger ones. This is probably going to sound cringe but I can't help but get the feeling that the girls probably think they where left behind compared to their peers meaning twice, bp and bts. And this only cuz of how small their concerts are, cuz everything else from awards, ablum sales and charting are all bar by bar compared to the others and are very high.

So to summarise again the reasons why rv are not seen as big it's cuz of how small their concerts are that's literally it. And SM NEEDS TO DO BETTER!!! it’s so frustrating comparing their stadiums to other 3rd gen’s groups knowing they can also achieve it.

Hi everyone!

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I don't expect you guys to agree.

Can we not generalize? And can we not pretend like other unit fans don't do the same?

I'm sick and tired of NCT Dream fans being villainised because of a few stray toxic ones.

Not all of us are like them. If you are seeing toxic ones then oh my god just block and move on. Once everyone blocks themt he world is going to be so much more peaceful.

ETA : Context, there were a few Dreamzens changing Dreamscapes colors just for fun, and some people took it seriously.

And this isn't the first time stuff like this happen either.

This is tricky because I love the whole “big show” thing with crazy stages, outfit changes and amazing performances in general. But I would rather it’d be like 20% that and 80% singing and having fun instead of focusing on perfect dancing and formations. I think that’s the point of a concert, that it’s not just another music show.