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16. Putting on a Formal Vestment at the Sound of a Bell

Yunmen said, "The world is so wide, so vast; why put on a formal vestment at the sound of a bell?"

Wumen says, Whenever you investigate Zen and study the Way, it is urgent to avoid pursuing sound and chasing form. Even if you realize the Way on hearing sound, or understand the mind on seeing form, this is still ordinary; you do not yet know how Zen learners ride on sound and enclose form, everywhere clear, every experience sublime.

But even so, tell me: Does sound come to the ear, or does the ear go to sound? Even if echoes and silence are both forgotten, when you reach this, how do you understand verbally? If you use your ears to listen, it will be hard to understand; only when you hear sound through your eyes will you be close.

Wumen's Verse: Understand, and things are all one;/If you don't understand, there are myriad distinctions, a thousand differences./When you don't understand, things are all one;/Understand, and there are myriad distinctions, a thousand differences.

Additional Commentary

Gushan's Verse: The formal vestment goes on at the sound of a bell;/The whole world cannot hide the appearance of a monk./But if you see by way of form, or seek by way of sound,/The Buddha's successor, our teacher, was a fake.

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