Seriously, I'm getting a lot more than fed up ( Fd off to be honest🙄 ) seeing limitless times every single day people telling others that you immediately in ketosis and Carnivore is a Ketogenic diet then arguing with me when I say it's not. I'm going to copy and paste what I tell people as I'm also fed up with constantly say and typing the same thing

Carnivore is not automatically keto, I keep telling people that, and certain 'Carnivore influencers '' are spreading disinformation, I'm shocked at some the the long term older ones who that people follow and quote like their Gods, and keep saying its ketogenic, if you eat too much protein it isn't.

You have to eat high fat and moderate protein my blood tests prove it , I have got keep i it at 15% protein, and 85% fat, and I'm doing the Carnivore version of the Dr Thomas Seyfried keto protocol to do it

I'm also coping and pasting why I'm doing the Carnivore version of the Dr Thomas Seyfried keto protocol, as I get asked that limitless time to also fed up with repeating that too 🙄.....😊

Are you doing this because of any health issues?

Yes Cancer 😊

Also, how do your meals look? 85 * 15

I eat up to 300g of fatty lamb per day sometimes less but I never under eat, that give me 61 to 75g of protein AFTER excluding the fat its self as I cut if off the meat before weighing as 100gof Lamb meat ( not the fat ) =25g of protein .

I eat homemade Lambs tallow with every mouthful of meat, which is at least 60g with every 100g of meat, and I eat tallow on its own as I like it, so I'm eating 200 or more grams per day, and I weigh everything as you need to to make sure my protein and fat intake is correct.

I use Carb manger free edition just as an extra check but it was really useful when I started out as Carnivore coming up 3 months shortly. But I know by weight now exactly what my protein and fat intake is. It usually 67 protein more often than not and 200g of fat .

And that's eating 300g of Lamb, plus eating tallow. So I eat 500 grams of meat and fat per day giving me over 2000 cals per day or slightly under at 1,987, and just In case you want to know I'm FM, 5ft.7inches, 145lb and 64 yrs young 😁

I only drink water. I was eating eggs and butter but cut them out to see if it made any difference 5 days ago and it's subtle, but it has, and I was eating butter like it was my job for the extra fat, but get more fat eating tallow and feel it better.

Also I was gaining Weight like mad eating butter and getting less fat as butters not 100% fat, now I'm eating tallow which is 100% fat eating higher fat and dropped 4 pounds in weight in 2 days, and I'm not trying to lose weight I don't need to for my height and build

And never thought I had a problem with eggs or butter until I cut them out plus I was only eating raw egg yolks no whites. And very rarely scrambled eggs cooked in butter and chicken wings weeks apart from everything else.

And I test my blood at least 2 times a day with a Keto Mojo, sometimes I leave it for 2 to 3 days to give my poor fingers a break as I need to keep my GKI ( Glucose Keto Index as invented by Dr Thomas Seyfried) low, as that's what matters not the 2 issues, at least 2 or lower 😊

BACK TO WHY I'M PISSED OFF

Biggest offenders are well-known YouTubers, especially the ones with 'Dr' in front of their names and are the most popular too, I am also pissed that these people are acting like they invented'Carnivore' when the moderator of this sub ( hope it's OK to say this Amber🥰 ) . L. Amber O'Hearn, is one of the OG of Carnivore, has been around for many years at least, since 2010 passing on information and help if I'm not mistaken about what year 😊 is truly knowledgable shares all this for free in books online and on YouTube, and on her website

And does it to help people not give them BS, then try to get them to sign up to join yet another 'Challenge' at extortionate prices full of disinformation. Without her and few other people from way back then, the rest of them would have no knowledge about eating solely Carnivore, for human health be it mental or physical

They ALL constantly Parrot each other and constantly do 'Guest appearances'' on each other channel, and invite everyone to 'Carnivore meat ups'' in Cost Rico which is mega bucks for a plane ticket, more mega bucks to meet them in person when you get there, then more money to eat food, then more money to by the merch and anything else they sell, do yet more of their bidding 'Do this for ex-amount of time get results lose weight fast'

Yeah, from your bank account, at this point it's extremely light if you're daft enough not to see these people for the imposters and the charlatans they are. And if I hear 'Plants are out to kill you' once more from yet another moronic follow the village idiot on their YouTube channel, I'm going to be out to kill them myself !! 🤬Plant are not trying to kill you, Plants medicinal, so just treat me as you would any medicine and don't just take them haphazardly either they can be just as harmful as chemical pharma drugs .

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Hi there,

I am trying to make sure my fat to protein ratio is at least 2:1 but I find it a little confusing.

Right now I'm ordering 70 : 30 ground beef and I cook it all in a pan for 5 - 10 minutes.

Also do I lose some of the fat from cooking or does it go back into the meat while cooking?
I prefer the meat to be a little crispy so I keep siring for awhile on medium heat.

Thanks

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I really need help. In 2.5 years I’ve tried high fat high protein low protein moderate protein 1:1 2:1 3:1. I haven’t felt good and I have gotten FAT for th first time in my life. I eat mainly beef and beef fat because I have mast cell activation I don’t tolerate histamine or salicylate. Before I got sick I had to use berberine and Metformin and insolitol to control my appetite and pcos. Now I don’t tolerate those Or the black coffee I used to use to kill my appetite and my eating is insatiable And my pcos is worse than before. I was always thin when I ate veggies and now I mactually overweight and uncomfortable. I need help figuring out macros because ratios don’t work for me my body doesn’t know when to stop eating my satiety hormones are broken. I’m sick of this diet and wish I could tolerate veggies to lose weight.

I’ve been reading about associations using high fat diet to help cure people. They say not to eat more than 300g (or which they say 50g of protein) and to keep fat high . Eating 2:1 fat. I am all for it and not denying it helps at all. I am wondering though, do organs count in that? Why would we not eat to get full and still heal at the same time eating what we were supposed to eat. We would always eat to get full. (ideally) . I also see how fasting helps people. What I feel now from people’s experiences is that we are probably meant to eat to get full and then fast until we eat again like a lion perhaps. However clearly if people eat more than 300g of meat (50-70g of protein) they have issues or else the protocols wouldn’t have that restriction. The restriction is there because people have been having issues eating more protein, even if they up their fat. Anyone open to brain storm with me

salt seems to give me dryness, is it possible to go without salt , just meat and fat, really want to know if anyone is doing it

I can eat fat all day. I recently got several pounds of pure beef trimmings from the butcher. I ate a ton of that plus a few bites of greasy ground chuck. Is it bad to be eating basically only fat and only a little muscle?

Hi everyone,

For convenience, I would like to start eating beef suet (kideny fat) cold. (Why? See *)

Here is my question: If anyone does this, how do they go about it? Were their certain aspects of the experience that you had to adapt to or get used to?

Do you cut it up into small pieces? Or instead, do you just grab a big chunk and take a bite out of it? Do you render it and create "bars" of fat? Do you salt your fat?

I find the texture of suet to be similar to eating a candle, a bit sticky and very slow to melt in one's mouth - which takes some getting used to. I also find it difficult to convince myself that it is okay to swallow the stuff. I find myself chewing a single bite for 15 minutes which takes entirely too long

*Why? Because I am struggling to get enough fat from standard cuts alone. Also for cost control, to allow more flexibility, and to find out what it is like to eat like one of the "Native Folk" described in various historical accounts. As a side note, I find most ground beef to be kind-of gross - usually the fats are much closer to being rancid than I prefer.

I keep hearing the advice that you should prioritize protein. What exactly does that mean? Are they saying that you should eat protein first or that you should eat more protein than fat or what the heck does that mean?

I have ketones of .7 today. I eat less than 5 carbs from trace amounts in meat that is it. Does ketosis get deeper by limiting protein? Does increasing fat increases ketones? Does exercising increase ketones? I haven’t had a carb in 1 year of carnivore/keto but my ketones are usually .4 from so much protein. I’m trying to do more traditional keto macros now for hormones and better satiety glucose and appetite control as well as energy and mood. Will upping fat alone increase ketones or is it all about lowering protein? Does fat have any effect on ketones? Thanks!

Reduce protein and up fat after 1 year carnivore to help my pcos and appetite. And lose weight. I’ve gained 40 lbs on carnivore and I am always hungry. Hormones are outta whack. I can eat 6000 calories a day easily. I need leptin and insulin sensitivity. I get tired with more than 3 oz protein at once so....I need to lose weight and stop gaining but my appetite is outta control.

How do I calculate this? I can’t carry a scale around to measure weight...I can eyeball ounces of meat and fat. I eat lamb and beef suet only because of intolerances. Should it be 2:1? Is that like 100g protein 200g fat in calories? For example if I have 1 oz suet and 3 oz lamb it’s like 21g protein and approx 40g fat. Is that correct? Not sure how to match these up for weight loss. Any tips appreciated. I’ve been on Carnivore 1 year and I have better satiety with protein but it has to be super high like 200g of protein. my blood glucose is super high when I do that. Like 155 fasting...Andi have histamine reactions to all the meat. but when I have more fat I seem to have trouble getting full. Will this go away Soon if I get my ketones higher? I just want to feel full on a normal amount of calories and go back to a normal weight about -20 lbs. thank you.

Want to try KetoAF for a while, but I am unsure, even after reading the "read this first" post, about what to do. Maybe I just need some coffee, lol.

What is throwing me of, I think, is the picture of the supposedly ideal ribeye, https://imgur.com/a/zkKxBP6.

What I do when I eat is I take a cut of lean meat, like a flank, flap or butchers steak, and then add as much fat (beef) as needed. So far I have been eating like 25-30% fat by weight, and assuming my lean steak is ~5% fat, that would get me a little bit higher. Watching my meal (maybe I'll post a picture of it later), it looks like a lot more fat than the "ideal" ribeye above, so I am not sure if I am misinterpreting how ketoAF is supposed to be done.

I've been eating regular carnivore for 5 weeks. For the past week and a half, I decided to try increasing my fat intake from seared grass fed beef fat. I couldn't eat too much otherwise I'd get diarrhea. But I was able to eat an additional 2 inch strip of beef fat with every rib eye meal. However, I've gotten very big pimples within the past week of trying to increase my fat. Has anyone else experienced this? I'm thinking I should just go back to eating lower fat for now, perhaps I can't benefit from ketoAF.

Fat quickly becomes unappealing but I don't get full on lean until I've eaten a lot. This keeps my blood glucose in the 90s and BHB under 1. If I restrict protein under 125g or so, I'm hungry all the time but I have zero interest in additional fat.

Any ideas?

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Ok I'm going to give this a shot! I was unable to get beef fat from my supermarket (butcher said they use it all in ground beef?) but I found a small grocer ~25 mins from me with a meat dept. that will sell it for $1.25/lb!

For lunch I had two quarter-pound 80/20 hamburger patties sandwiched with one slice of cheese between them. The nutrition facts for the hamburger patties said 23g fat/21 protein per serving, so 46/42 for the two that I ate. I did 42 * 2 - 46 = 38 and added 38g of the fat to the skillet while the burgers were cooking.

Am I doing it right so far??

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Hey folks!

I also posted this in the PKD subreddit, but figured this subreddit might also be a good place to ask, due to similarities in macronutrient recommendations.

I am starting PKD this week to manage what my physician thinks are symptoms rooted in autoimmunity.

I enjoy being quite physically active, doing a lot of relaxed walking in the mornings and then three times a week some form of strength training like lifting weights or calisthenics.

I am curious if any of you have seen effects of this diet on body composition, performance, etc.

I am 6’0”, 160-ish lbs (quite lean).

I am looking at eating about 80-85 g protein, then a minimum of 160-170 g fat (dialing up and/or down according to what satiates).

I'm coming from a pretty typical paleo diet, with around 200-220 g protein/day.

During a previous experiment with carnivore (not PKD) I was getting at least that amount also.

So, I'm a little hesitant about the lower protein intake.

The one concern I have is that I don’t have a crapload of muscle mass to start with.

I don’t care to gain any, but I sure as hell would prefer not to lose what I have.

Any of y’all have insight from personal experience regarding training or insight as to whether my estimated nutrients look problematic?

Thanks in advance!

I've noticed a couple cans of sardines make me feel anxious, make my heart race, and throw my sleep off. I have no problems with any other carnivore fare. Has anyone else noticed this? I was googling and maybe it's the histamines? Histamine intolerance wasn't on my radar until now. Maybe it has to do with the brand? I switched from Season brand (Costco) in olive oil which I've been eating for years with no problem to Wild Planet to avoid the olive oil. I prefer the olive oil ones taste-wise.

Hi community!

Lately I experienced that my satiety signals seems to be totally off, when starting my meal with eating the fat. My preferred added fat source is raw bone marrow. Typical meal is some beef + fat. No salt. All raw bc it tastes much better for me than burnt meat or liquid fats.

When starting with the fat I literally can eat a veeeery big amount of bone marrow lately. After some time I just stop with it and go for the lean. Thing is I’m coming from the area of dehydration. So maybe I just need that amount of fat right now or my signals are totally screwed. Same with lean. I can eat and eat and eat.

On this woe it would be nice to know my f2p ratios approx but I just can eat whenever I want. I’m 16 months in hiphopping between normal zc and higher fat amount. Just „Eat meat“ doesn’t seem to work. I definitely think I’m on the higher fat spectrum. But lately for the very first time being carnivore I had cravings for carbs/milk. Crazy.

Everyone here experienced the same? Could it be 2:1 can be far to less at some time. Or it is 2:1 or more fatwise but on a very high level? Thank you

Hi all, I've been following PKD for 5 months except eating slightly less liver than they suggest. I have seen good improvement in certain areas of my health but my gums have become very sore and inflamed and started receding since following this woe. I thought oral health improved when zero carb! I just wondered if anyone here has also had issues with sore gums and if anything helped? I'm wondering if I need to eat more than the 400-500g of food a day that Paleomedicina recommend. Many thanks.

Hi All,

I have been on the carnivore diet for a while, and I tried the KetoAF ratio before, but fail to lose weight and instead gained 4lb in a week. I thought it was because I wasn't compatible with the higher fat ratio, but I found out I was doing it "wrong", since I wasn't eating the fat first, and forcing the fat at the end of the meal to meet the ratio goal. I currently eat 1kg of 73/27 ground beef everyday, according to the Nutrition Label:

• Fat:30g
• Protein:17g

So is this adequate ratio for the KetoAF 2:1?

I read this and solved my problems: https://ketoanimalfoods.com/2019/07/21/easy-ways-to-ketoaf/

When I cook my ground beef, I have a pool of fat under it, should I just store it?

Would steak meat be better nutritionally than ground beef? When I eat steak do I eat the fat first then the lean parts?

Is butter good? Seasoning at all?

I appreciate all the responses! and Happy Chinese New Year! or Happy Friday! or Both! :)