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Welcome to r/indianhistory, a community dedicated to exploring and discussing the rich and diverse history of India and the Indian subcontinent. Please familiarize yourself with the rules in the sidebar before posting, and let's learn and engage with each other in respectful and meaningful dialogue.

The Indian subcontinent or the subcontinent is a southern region of Asia, mostly situated on the Indian Plate and projecting southwards into the Indian Ocean from the Himalayas. Definitions of the extent of the Indian subcontinent differ but it usually includes the core lands of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh; Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, and the Maldives are often included as well. The region is also called by a number of other names including South Asia, a name that is increasingly popular.

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What do you mean by "debunking" Max Muller's theory?

I don't know where the original source of the information is but I trust it's true.

This is what Max Muller's theory is from my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong): the Aryan race from Central Asia brought about the decline of the Harappan Civilisation due to an "invasion".

It was "debunked" a while ago and I feel so many people have misunderstood WHICH part was debunked.

Aryans DID come to India and today make up a large portion of North Indian genes. They did NOT "invade" the IVC (this is the part that was proved false).

The number of people who think that aryans never came to India, and all Indians somehow spontaneously spawned in the continent is amazing.

Please correct me if my view is correct? If so why is nobody making efforts to correct this blatent misinformation. Or were there really no Aryans at all?

TL;DR: there's a difference between aryan MIGRATION and aryan INVASION

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2024/11/30
17:08 UTC

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What did Ancient Indian cities ACTUALLY look like?

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2024/11/30
16:17 UTC

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Historically accurate and politically neutral book regarding the partition of India

Hi can someone please recommend a book which is historically accurate and politically neutral regarding the partition of India? Thank you.

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2024/11/30
15:10 UTC

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In the Malay language of Malaysia, the word for “west” is “barat”.

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2024/11/30
13:30 UTC

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Could Indian empires have industrialized without British colonization?

I think the Mysore Sultanate, the Bengal Sultanate, and the Sikh Empire could have managed to industrialize in the 1800s.

What do you think?

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2024/11/30
09:32 UTC

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Greek tanagra art looks so similar to indian saree.

Could it be that greek influenced indian indian dressing style?

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2024/11/29
19:04 UTC

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Maharaja of Jaipur, Man Singh II, arrives in England by Flying Boat to attend the London Victory Day Celebrations (1946)

In this photo we see, from left to right, Raoraja Abhey Singh, ADC to the Maharaja, the maharaja’s two sons, the Maharaja of Jaipur and a Traffic Assistant of the British Overseas Airways Corporation. The Maharaja is in his uniform, as he served in the British Indian Army during WW2. He was the first to… Continue Reading

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2024/11/29
16:10 UTC

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Pahlavi Iran and the Indo-Pakistani War

Hello all,

I have long heard from other Iranians that both the Indian and Pahlavi regimes had relatively substantial expectations that Pakistan would collapse completely after they tried to attack India, to the point that they had a contingency plan in place to divide the remains of Pakistan between Iran and India, with Balochistan annexation and reuniting w/ Iranian Balochistan and the rest going to India to prevent utter chaos from forming in the region.

Is this something that is heard of or studied in India? I have not found many English sources, and only remember reading such things in Persian many years ago.

Thanks for any information

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2024/11/29
16:07 UTC

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Indian Troops charge a Pakistani Post in the Khem Karan-Kasur Sector on the Lahore Front (1965)

This photo shows Indian troops charging at a Pakistani post in Kasur, a township on the Lahore Front. If the date in the caption and location is to be believed, these are likely troops of the XI Corps during the push towards Lahore from September 9th onwards. Fighting at Kasur was intense, with a large… Continue Reading

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2024/11/29
16:06 UTC

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Was India called Bharat in any non-religious texts before 18th Century?

By this I mean the Maurya inscriptions refer India as Jambudvipa, did anyone refer it as Bharat/Bharatavarsha other than religious texts?

Thanks for any and all answers.

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2024/11/29
14:50 UTC

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2024/11/29
13:04 UTC

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Assuming Prevalent Form

One of the reasons a temporary unity was maintained in the kingdom was, each of the Maratha Sardar had a Watan-right or an Inam in the Chhatrapati’s own realms. Since these Sardars would be especially attached to such hereditary Watan-rights, due to the allurement, they would behave respectfully with the Chhatrapati.

https://ndhistories.wordpress.com/2023/05/26/assuming-prevalent-form/

Marathi Riyasat, G S Sardesai ISBN-10-8171856403, ISBN-13-‎978-8171856404.

The Era of Bajirao Uday S Kulkarni ISBN-10-8192108031 ISBN-13-978-8192108032.

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2024/11/29
02:20 UTC

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Were the different sects of Hinduism considered separate religions historically?

Sects like Shaivism, Vaishnavism etc.

If yes, how did debates with Buddhists occur? Do buddhists text refer to these sects differently or just "Brahmins"?

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2024/11/29
01:33 UTC

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I'm making a mod for CK3 that revolves around India, and I need help regarding culture

Google results for those who don't know what Crusader Kings 3 is.

Although Crusader Kings 3's map DOES include India, it's really obvious at a glance (example here) that the developers put almost no effort in adding it. They pretty much just took British India, made each province a Kingdom and culture, and called it a day.

I'm currently working on a mod called Rajas of Bharatavarsa that makes the game centered on India. Currently it's just a WIP combination of 2 other mods, however I want it to have some of it's own original changes, starting with the culture map.

Here's what I have with Bengal so far: (ignore Akan, those areas are bugged)

https://preview.redd.it/2twpyoy6uq3e1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=159e47094917ff054cd91745d133cf17f8e11c44

I was thinking on splitting Gaudiya up into multiple different cultures. Is that a good idea, and if so how should I do it? I'll also be making a discord server if anyone would like to give suggestions on other regions of India whenever I get to them. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

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2024/11/29
01:30 UTC

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Book recommendation on the medieval/precolonial economy of India?

Bonus point if theres a focus on south India please

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2024/11/29
00:22 UTC

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Anyone seen the TV series Porus?

Has anyone seen the TV series Porus, Can you comment on how historically accurate the show is?

I wish to know whether my investing of that much time(almost 300 episodes) is worth it, I don't want it be inaccurate. Although it wont be very accurate but is should not have convoluted facts.

On this Topic- which are some of the most historically and factually correct shows or tv made in context of Indian history?

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2024/11/28
13:11 UTC

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Does Sanskrit have any Dravidian influence ?

Does Vedic Sanskrit or Sanskrit have any Dravidian influence ?
If yes, how much ?

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2024/11/28
04:58 UTC

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Where to read Indian history books that is not written by a anti India or communist person?

I hate when I Google books on India and I find a book written by a foreigner or the type of people I described in the title

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2024/11/28
08:47 UTC

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Census in pre-colonial India?

Was there any census about population or anything else in pre-colonial india?

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2024/11/28
07:16 UTC

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Ancient indian winter garments?

Indian winters (from what i’ve heard) can still be relatively chilly. What did they wear during the winter?

7 Comments
2024/11/28
03:28 UTC

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What are the different aryan migration theories and which one is the most accurate so far?

I have read the different versions but now it's just has become messy in my mind. Arguments with credible sources to understand the migration theory.

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2024/11/27
18:01 UTC

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Book reccomendations on Casteism in India?

Hi,

Hope you are all well.

I would love suggestions for a book on Casteism in India. How it developed, the role of religion, society, empires etc, and how it has evolved of the years to where it currently is now. Also, different forms of casteism across India, the movements against it over the years.

If one book doesn't cover it, 2 or 3 suggestion would do.

Thank you 😊

27 Comments
2024/11/27
16:43 UTC

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Dolemens Of Hire Benekal | Stone Age Burials Of Koppal Karnataka | Hire Benekal Megalithic Site

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2024/11/27
15:27 UTC

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loot and thug in sanskrit as well as English

I personally do not believe in Aryan invasion theory but why do words like thug and loot which are terms very related to invasion and stuff are exactly same in sanskrit as well as English

6 Comments
2024/11/27
09:41 UTC

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How did the Muslim League get more prominent than Muslim Socialists?

From my understanding socialist and Bolshevik thought was also quite popular among Indian muslims in the start of 20th century. The Khilafat movement led to a wave of muslim communist thought in India and apparently the Aligarh Muslim University was a hotbed for socialists.

Muslim counterparts in Turkey, and Indonesia also saw a rise of communists around the same time but I understand the history of how socialism was crushed in those countries. What I don't understand is how were they defeated by the Muslim League? What was the relationship of the Muslim League with Indian socialists- or am I overestimating the influence of socialists in British India in general? I have a lot of gaps of knowledge on this topic and want to learn more.

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2024/11/27
14:37 UTC

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Indian history books

Hi! I was born in the US but I’ve been very interested in learning more about India and it’s history. I’m aware India has a very rich history and will require a lot of reading lol. I would like a wide variety of book recommendations that cover the indigenous populations of India, to the monarchies and then the ultimate British Invasion and consequent partition. Also I’d like if the books weren’t political in nature (if possible). Thank you in advance!

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2024/11/27
04:49 UTC

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Why do people assume Kalinga is Odisha instead of North Andhra? Isn't Kalinga North Andhra and Odisha Utkala?

Please help me understand this - I have been researching the Eastern (Prachya) Gangas. From my understanding Kalinga proper refers to Uttara Andhra - I.e. from the northern banks of Godavari to Ganjam. This Kalinga is where most the famous inscriptions of the Eastern Gangas are found (like Anantavarman Chodaganga's Vizag copper plates, Sri Kurmam, Ramatirtham, Simhachalam inscriptions) - and their capital was Kalinganagara (modern day Mukhalingam in Srikakulam dist.). Later when they conquered Cuttack and defeated the Somavanshi dynasty, they became Imperial Eastern Gangas and rulers of Trikalinga (I.e Kalinga (northern Andhra), Utkala (Odisha)and Dakshina Kosala) and called themselves rulers of two Gangas (Dakshina ganga Godavari and Uttara Ganga Ganges). So does Kalinga refer to Northern Andhra or Odisha?

The Northern Andhra belt also has the highest concentration of Buddhist monuments along the Eastern coast (from Amaravati, Bhattiprolu, Pavuralakonda, Bojjanakonda, Thotlakonda, all the way to Sankaram) - is this whom Asoka conquered too?

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2024/11/27
03:38 UTC

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is bhatner fort (hanumangarh, Raj.) oldest in india?

are there any forts older than this?

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2024/11/26
14:39 UTC

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Was partition of India done as per the percentage of Hindus and Muslims?

As per the 1941 census, Hindus were 69.5% while Muslims were 24.9% of the population of British India. But as we know, most of the Muslims stayed back after the partition. Even then, 22.5% of India’s land went to Pakistan.

Now if we look the current combined population of India, Bangladesh and Pakistan, then it is 32.3% Muslims and 62.8% Hindus. So Hindus reduced by 6% while Muslims increased by 8% in 83 years. So if partition were to happen today, India would lose more than one third of its land.

Note: All calculations done by Chatgpt.

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2024/11/26
16:57 UTC

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