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“Hamari Atariya Pe” - a tribute to the legendary Begum Akhtar Sahiba by Saneyee Purandare Bhattacharjee

https://youtu.be/OEPTl6RpO7M?si=tOulzIzbsKd5IN3G

Here's a humble tribute to this unforgettable Thumri in Bhairavi. Accompanied on tabla by Amod Dandawate, Rahul Zingde; harmonium by Pranav Palande, Mihika Maharana.

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2024/11/20
10:14 UTC

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Frustrations with learning Hindustani classical music as an adult novice

Frustrations with learning Indian classical music

So when I was young I always wanted to learn indian classical music and I’ve been told that I’m a natural. I’ve also had some 2 gurus that I have 🧿🧿“saraswati”🧿🧿in my 🧿🧿gala🧿🧿. Which I didn’t quiet understand what it means but seems lile a compliment I guess.

My frustration is that I just recently got back into learning indian classical music after a long break at the age of 23. I have two classes every week for an hour over a whatsapp video call with my teacher. And I’ve been stuck on one raag which is Bhupali with the song “laaj bachao krishna murari” which is a song dedicated for Drauhpadi and her singing to krishna about saving herself from Dhriyodan who is trying to pull her clothing off her, so she sings to Lord krishna trying to save her “laaj”(self respect) I do the words in taal, but when it comes to the taan my teacher always criticizes me or makes me stop mid-way. and do it again. Sometimes she says I’m too fast or too slow and she makes me change the BPM on the Tanpura/SurTaal app. It makes me feel bad and like I don’t have “saraswati” in my gala. I’ve learned a few basic raagas but seem to be stuck on bhupali. I feel bad cuz I want to learn things, but I’m just stuck on this raag which is meant for little children. I have not seen one professional singer singing this song. I want to learn the cool stuff professionals do like alaap and aakar.

When I practice on the Surtaal app, I can hear that my voice matches with the tanpura sound but then when I did it in front of my teacher, it didn’t sound as great, because my harmonium changed the texture of my voice when I played it. I’m doing a Banaras gharana which is quiet different from other gharanas. Not sure if its an actual vocal gharana. But It just seems like I keep being stuck on basic things. But yea its a vent about my progress in indian classical music.

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2024/11/18
04:51 UTC

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Manohar by Pandit Venkatesh Kumar Ji

I have been listening to the album “Manohar” by Pandit Venkatesh Kumar Ji. I love it. Especially The fast tunes at the end of each Raaga.

One question I have is the name of the the Raaga, “Rag Kaushik Kanada”. Should it be “Kaushiki” instead of “Kaushik”

Sharing the link to the album here https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k2MXoziVnCPBznnlQvYhqwGTkGoeZQOkk&si=uGTsIJlID-Hw_-sd

4 Comments
2024/11/17
15:54 UTC

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Is there a calendar for icm festivals in India? Keen to attend in Nov-Dec.

I am keen to attend a festival on Indian Classical Music.

Is there some scheduled for the coming months ?

10 Comments
2024/11/17
09:02 UTC

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Does anyone have this particular album? If yes, I need the full length rendition of Nadaloludai including aalapana. If anyone has this, please hmu.

8 Comments
2024/11/15
12:14 UTC

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Which raag is the ghazal 'Kiya hai pyar jise' by ghulam ali is based on?

is it raag yaman or some other raag?

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2024/11/15
03:04 UTC

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How is raag learnt?

I am a carnatic student, still not reached the phase of manodharma, was wondering how is raag taught in hindustani music, because I have heard that from the beginning itself raag and its improv is taught. I wanted to learn manodharma on my own, so I want to know how raag is taught and after reaching what is next raag is started?

7 Comments
2024/11/14
14:07 UTC

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Beginner Veena in Mumbai

I do not come from any history or learnings in music, but I'm very much inclined to learn the Veena in my 20s, I'm open to any and all suggestions for what type to learn, what instrument, where, how long and sources I could look up for inspo.

Thanks!

2 Comments
2024/11/13
18:36 UTC

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App to learn Hindustani classical music

Hello , I would like to start learning Hindustani classical music very basic from alankaar1 and continue with exploring music. Could you please suggest app which will explain and help learning .. Thank you

2 Comments
2024/11/13
05:18 UTC

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Where can I find official studio recordings of Ustad Vilayat Khan's Raag pieces ?

After looking through Google and Spotify there are many official good quality studio recordings of artists like Amjad Ali, Hariprasad, Shivkumar Sharma etc but when it comes to Vilayat Khan there are only these poor quality concert recordings. Where can I find good quality studio recordings by him ?

6 Comments
2024/11/13
01:28 UTC

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Institutes to learn Santoor in Delhi

I have learned harmonium for some years and now I want to learn santoor but it's really difficult to find any centre in Delhi that provides classes for santoor. Please help me 🙏

2 Comments
2024/11/11
13:41 UTC

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Hindustani Kacheri?

Hello all!

If it’s a Carnatic concert, South Indians usually call it and advertise it as a Kacheri. (Like ‘TM Krishna’s Kacheri’, or ‘Kacheri by Sanjay Subrahmanian’.) What’s the word equivalent for Kacheri in the context of Hindustani tradition?

Thank you!

4 Comments
2024/11/11
10:31 UTC

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Ravi Shankar Yehudi Menuhin Sitar Violin Duet

1 Comment
2024/11/11
03:55 UTC

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Pt Shivkumar Sharma & Ustad Zakir Hussain - Raag Mishra Shivranjani

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2024/11/09
16:19 UTC

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I think Electric guitar might be just a perfect instrument for playing Indian classical music

I've known Electric guitar to be widely used in the west, mostly hard metal genre. I am not a big fan of that kind of music which is loud, lot of noise almost feeling like a disturbance. However, it looks like it is a perfect instrument that can "spell" good gamakas which are like crown jewels and distinguishing characteristic of Indian music (both Carnatic and Hindustani).

Check this out

3 Comments
2024/11/09
04:01 UTC

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ROTW: Hanumatodi

Hello friends, I'm back with another ROTW.

This time it's Hanumatodi, often shortened to just Todi, sometimes spelled as Thodi. It's not related to the Hindustani Todi, in fact the notes are the same as Bhairavi thaat.

It's the 8th melakarta ragam (7 notes), and is called Janatodi in the Dikshitar school.

Arohana: S R1 G2 M1 P D1 N2 S Avarohana: S N2 D1 P M1 G2 R1 S

It's a very melodically dense raga, making it a great test bed for improvisation. There are also numerous excellent compositions.

For varnams there's Era Napai, and Daani Samajendra.

Among the Trinity there's Ninne Namminanu, Kamalaambike, Koti Nadulu Dhanuskotilo, among many others.

I also like Sarasijanabha Murare.

By far my favourite composition is Thaye Yashoda by Oothukkaadu Venkata Kavi. Chembai, MMI, and Yesudas all have ni ce versions. The best version, and the best Todi exponent imo, is Madurai Somu.

In fact, I'm going to link a bunch of Todi by Madurai Somu, like this, this, and this.

Hope you enjoyed the ROTW, and feel free to comment your favourite performances!

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2024/11/08
19:07 UTC

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An Initial Guide to Raga Therapy

Hello everyone,

I'm delving into the application of Indian Classical Music (ICM) in promoting health and well-being, especially from a spiritual angle. With the rise of AI tools, I’ve been able to compile a collection of 32 sources, including two books, numerous articles, and journal papers, specifically focused on Raaga Chikitsa and its effectiveness in addressing various health concerns. I’m excited to share with you a comprehensive list of ragas and their associated benefits, compiled from these resources. Hope you find it enriching.

P.S. If anyone has questions about which ragas to listen to for specific needs or would like some personalized recommendations, feel free to ask! I will ask the AI tool (Notebook LM) to generate some recs.

  • Ahir Bhairav: This raga is said to be beneficial for indigestion, rheumatic arthritis, and hypertension. It's typically performed in the morning. [1, 2]
  • Amrutavarshini: This raga is believed to alleviate heat-related diseases. [3]
  • Ananda Bhairavi: This raga is thought to suppress stomach pain in both men and women, reduce kidney problems, and control blood pressure. [4]
  • Asavari: This raga is associated with confidence and is best heard in the morning. [2]
  • Bahar: This raga, along with Raga Bihag, Kafi, and Kamaj, is recommended for treating insomnia and is best played between 9 pm and 12 am. [5, 6]
  • Bageshri: This raga is known for its ability to cure insomnia. [1, 2, 7] It is said to arouse feelings of darkness, stability, depth, and calmness and may also be used in treating diabetes and hypertension, specifically low blood pressure. [8, 9] It may also be effective in uplifting mood and treating depression. [8] It's typically performed at night. [10]
  • Bairagi: This raga may enhance memory. [11, 12] It's best played between 6 am and 9 am. [12]
  • Basant: This raga is performed in the morning. [10]
  • Basant Bahar: This raga is said to be helpful for gallstones and is best heard in the morning. [2, 13]
  • Bhairav: This raga is associated with relief from tuberculosis, cancer, severe cold, phlegm, sinus, and toothache. [13] It is also believed to strengthen emotions. [11, 12] It may help treat rheumatic arthritis and sinusitis. [1] It's typically performed in the morning. [10, 14] It can also be used to activate the Anahata (Cardiac) chakra. [15]
  • Bhairavi: This raga, along with Darbari Kanada and Sindhubhairavi, can be used to activate the Sahasrar (Carotid Plexus) chakra. [16] It is also helpful for treating rheumatic arthritis. [1] It can be performed at any time. [14, 16]
  • Bihag: This raga is known for its ability to treat insomnia and provide peaceful sleep. [5, 13] It is best enjoyed with Raga Bahar. [13]
  • Bilahari: This raga is associated with joy and may help alleviate melancholic moods. [17]
  • Bhimpalasi: This raga, played between 3 pm and 7 pm, may increase concentration in daily activities. [4, 6] It can also treat anxiety and hypertension. [2]
  • Bhoop: This raga can be used to activate the Ajna chakra. [15]
  • Bhoopali: This raga may be beneficial in treating insomnia and is believed to promote good sleep. [18] Along with Raga Mohanam, it can activate all chakras except Anahata and Sahasrara. [15]
  • Brindavana Saranga: This raga is associated with wisdom, success, knowledge, joyfulness, and greater energy. [4]
  • Chandrakauns: This raga, along with Charukesi, Kalyani, and Sankarabharanam, may be beneficial for heart ailments. [4]
  • Charukesi: See Chandrakauns. [4]
  • Darbari: This raga is known for its sedative properties. [1]
  • Darbari Kanada: This raga is said to be effective in easing tension and anxiety, providing relief from headaches (acute), migraines, and grief, improving mental concentration, reducing mental shock, and promoting good sleep. [19] It may also help defuse mental tension, particularly in cases of hysteria, as well as bronchitis and asthma. [19] When played for 10 minutes before sleep, it has been shown to help elderly individuals suffering from depression, anxiety, stress, and sleeping disorders. [5, 20, 21] It's typically performed late at night. [11, 22] It is thought to have originated from Carnatic music and was introduced to North Indian music by Miyan Tansen, the legendary 16th-century composer in Emperor Akbar’s court. [11] It can activate the Sahasrar (Carotid Plexus) chakra. [16]
  • Deepak: This raga is said to help with indigestion, hyperacidity, and gallstones. [1] It was believed that Tansen, a great medieval composer, could light lamps by playing Raga Deepak. [23]
  • Desh: This raga is performed in the morning. [10]
  • Deshkar: This raga is performed in the morning. [14]
  • Dhani: This raga can be performed at any time. [14]
  • Durga: This raga, along with Raga Tilak-Kamod, Hansdhwani, and Kalvati, can be used to calm anxieties. [24] This raga can also activate the Anahata (Cardiac) chakra. [15]
  • Gaud Malhar: This raga is performed during the monsoon season. [14]
  • Gunkali: This raga may provide relief from constipation. [2, 25] It's typically performed in the morning. [14]
  • Gurjari Todi: This raga is used along with Raga Shyam Kalyan and Kedar to treat coughs. [26] The sources also mention that this raga can be used to activate the Swadhisthana (Sacral) chakra. [15]
  • Hameerkalyani: This raga is known for its calming effect, relaxing tension and bringing blood pressure down to normal (120/80). [4]
  • Hamsadhvani: This raga, also known as Hansdhwani, is said to cure coughs. [26] It can be used to activate the Vishuddhi (Pharyngeal) and Mooladhara (Coccygeal) chakras. [15, 16]
  • Hansdhwani: See Hamsadhvani. [27]
  • Hemshree: This raga can be used to activate the Sahasrar (Carotid Plexus) chakra. [16]
  • Hindol: This raga, along with Raga Marava, is believed to purify the blood. [13] It is also associated with springtime. [14]
  • Hindolam: This raga may be beneficial in treating intestinal gas and fever. [2, 25] It also purifies the blood and may help with high blood pressure, gastritis, and VathaRoga. [13]
  • Jaunpuri: This raga is said to be helpful for those experiencing diarrhea and constipation. [1] It may also cure constipation. [2, 25]
  • Jayawanti: This raga can be used to activate the Vishuddhi (Pharyngeal) chakra. [16]
  • Jayjaywanti: This raga, along with Raga Todi and Poorvi, is believed to offer relief from colds and headaches. [13]
  • Jog: This raga can be used to activate the Anahata (Cardiac) chakra. [15]
  • Kafi: This raga can be performed at any time. [14] It is also believed to help with insomnia. [6] The sources mention that Raga Kafi evokes a humid, cool, soothing, and deep mood. [9]
  • Kalyanavasantam: This raga, along with Raga Shankarabharanam, when played twice a day for a month, may alleviate depression and Alzheimer’s disease. [6, 13]
  • Kalyani: This raga can be performed at any time. [4, 14, 28] It is believed to be helpful for heart ailments. [4] It is also beneficial for treating mental illness, soothing a turbulent mind, and restoring peace and harmony. [29] If performed with total devotion for a specific period, it is believed to potentially cure mental disorders that medical treatment might not be able to address. [29] It is also associated with wealth. [29]
  • Kamaj: This raga may be beneficial in treating insomnia. [6]
  • Kedar: This raga is said to be effective against headaches and asthma. [1] It is also believed to cure coughs. [26] It's typically performed at night. [10]
  • Madhyamavati: This raga is believed to help with paralysis, giddiness, pain in the legs and hands, and nervous complaints. [3]
  • Malhar: This raga is known for its ability to treat asthma and sunstroke. [1, 13] Tansen, a great medieval composer, was said to be able to summon rainfall by playing Raga Malhar. [23] It's typically performed at night. [10]
  • Malkauns: This raga may alleviate intestinal gas and high fever. [25] It is also helpful for those experiencing hypotension. [24] It is believed to have supernatural energy and can be used to treat low blood pressure. [2] The sources also suggest that this raga can activate the Ajna and Mooladhara chakras. [15, 16] It is typically performed late at night. [10, 11, 22]
  • Mand: This raga can be performed at any time. [14]
  • Marava: This raga is believed to purify the blood. [13] It is also beneficial for indigestion. [26]
  • Marwa: This raga is believed to cure malaria. [25] It is also beneficial for indigestion. [26] It's typically performed in the afternoon. [10]
  • Mayamalavagoulam: This raga can be used to activate the Ajna chakra. [15]
  • Mechakalyani: This raga can be used to activate the Ajna chakra. [15]
  • Miyan Malhar: See Malhar.
  • Mishra Mand: This raga is described as having a pleasing, refreshing, light, and sweet touch. [9]
  • Mohanam: This raga may help with migraines. [4] It is best listened to in the evening between 7 pm and 10 pm. [4] Along with Raga Bhupali, it can activate all chakras except Anahata and Sahasrara. [15]
  • Multani: This raga is performed in the evening. [10]
  • Nat Bhairav: This raga is said to be helpful for indigestion. [26]
  • Nilambari: This raga is known for its ability to induce sleep. [17, 28]
  • Poorvi: This raga, along with Raga Todi and Jayjaywanti, is believed to offer relief from colds and headaches. [13] It is also performed in the afternoon. [10]
  • Punnagavarali: This raga, along with Raga Sahana, is beneficial in calming the mind and controlling anger. [30]
  • Puriya: It can be used to activate the Mooladhara (Coccygeal) chakra. [16]
  • Puriya Dhanasri: The sources mention that Raga Puriya Dhanasri evokes a sweet, deep, heavy, cloudy, and stable state of mind. [9]
  • Puriya Kalyan: This raga can activate the Mooladhara (Coccygeal) chakra. [16]
  • Ramkali: This raga is thought to be helpful in cases of colitis and piles. [1]
  • Reethigowla: This raga is believed to bestow direction when one seeks it. [3]
  • Sahana: This raga, along with Raga Punnagavarali, is beneficial in calming the mind and controlling anger. [30]
  • Sama: This raga may reduce anxiety. [17]
  • Sankarabharanam: This raga, along with Raga Kalyani, can be played at any time of the day. [28] It is believed to be helpful for heart ailments. [4] It's also thought to help with depression and alleviate the symptoms of Alzheimer’s disease. [6, 13] It is a powerful raga for meditation, which bestows the benevolence of God, and removes sadness. [29] It cures ear, nose, and eye diseases, relieves chronic colds, gives good sleep, and promotes a sense of freshness. [29]
  • Shankara: See Sankarabharanam.
  • Shankarabharanam: This raga, along with Raga Kalyanavasantam, when played twice a day for a month, may alleviate depression. [6]
  • Shyam Kalyan: This raga is used to treat coughs. [26] It can be used to activate the Mooladhara (Coccygeal) chakra. [16, 31]
  • Sindhubhairavi: This raga can activate the Sahasrar (Carotid Plexus) chakra. [16] It is also helpful in removing sins and sorrows and is believed to protect against unforeseen events. [29]
  • Sivaranjani: This raga is known for its ability to sharpen the intellect of both the performer and the listener. It also instills courage and replenishes energy. [29] It is a powerful raga for meditation and bestows the benevolence of God. [29] It removes sadness and ushana roga santi (diseases related to excess heat) and is good for general health. [29]
  • Sohini: This raga is said to be helpful for headaches. [26]
  • SudhSarang: This raga is performed in the afternoon. [10]
  • Tilak-Kamod: This raga, along with Raga Hansdhwani, Kalvati, and Durga, may help calm anxieties. [24]
  • Todi: This raga is believed to be helpful for hypertension and relieves colds and headaches. [2, 13] It is also associated with a contemplative and introspective mood and is thought to have a calming effect. [32] It's typically performed in the morning. [33]
  • Yaman: This raga may provide relief from stress and anxiety. [6, 11] It's typically performed in the evening between 6 pm and 9 pm. [6] It is also believed to activate the Swadhisthana (Sacral) chakra. [15]
20 Comments
2024/11/06
17:18 UTC

2

Best resources for learning ragas for electric guitar? (courses, books, videos) TIA!

3 Comments
2024/11/05
23:44 UTC

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Any music makers here who compose scores for short films?

Not sure if I can post this here. I will be directing a short film, and was wondering if there are any folks here who want to collaborate. Essentially looking to connect with creative folks with great/niche taste - who can also compose a score or create a track for the film. If nothing else, can have a look at my script and give any opinion or references.

If anybody is interested, do dm (with anything you've made!). You can also email me: nimbuxpani@gmail.com

Any suggestions are welcome.

4 Comments
2024/11/05
04:44 UTC

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Learning Carnatic and Hindustani Vocals

Hello! For context I'm 17F

I'm currently learning Hindustani vocals and I've been to a few classes. Obviously that means my voice is still shaky and cracks but nonetheless I want to continue learning.

When I was 14 I used to go for Carnatic vocal classes (1 year) until I had to stop due to throat health issues.

I was truly disheartened because I loved learning Carnatic music, not just the singing part but also theory and would spend hours scrolling through Wikipedia pages (not 100% reliable I know) about the history of indian classical music. Again, I don't have much knowledge but you can tell I loved it.

I only have access to Hindustani classes right now, and while I enjoy it, I am a little confused as to if I should figure out a way to learn Carnatic, as I'm South Indian (I don't know if this makes sense)

But yeah, do you think I should just learn Hindustani (I do love it as well) and maybe later on just learn Carnatic as well (like much later when I'm confident in what I'm doing right now)?

Also if you know any resources where I can learn about both styles please do let me know! Any books, Youtube channels, websites, send them my way! Thank you

4 Comments
2024/11/04
08:42 UTC

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Help identifying instruments

I am trying to remake this song to sound more cohesive and fluid mostly for my own sanity and because I'm a complete noob I would like help in identifying the instruments in the background, I have the original vocal sample just need to know the instruments and if anyone could provide samples for the tabla and other instruments I could use that would be great. I'm just trying something new so I don't know much, so any advice is appreciated. (p.s I'm on mobile only and am using fl studio mobile to put the song together)

the song

3 Comments
2024/11/03
22:51 UTC

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Mallikarjun Mansur - Bahaduri Todi

If there's a piece a ICM that should be preserved forever, then this is one of it. This is a man suffering from lung cancer at its worse, 60+ years of music behind his life, many conflicting family issues, and yet he goes on to sing like none of it concerns him!

Mallikarjun Mansur did this concert just three months before he left this world. 🙏

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2024/11/03
16:54 UTC

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Complete newbie looking for Ragas/music similar to two specific ICM compositions

The first is this performance by Anoushka Shankar - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CnhcGpmH9Y The title says it's a piece called Pancham se Gara.
The other is a piece called I feel your presence by Ustad Amjad Ali Khan - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSCY0UAtvZ0 Apparently based on Raag Hansa Dhwani

I stumbled upon both these works unexpectedly in the past few months. However, I have zero knowledge about Indian classical music (other than the names of some of the legends of this field), so please recommend to me some Ragas or music similar to these two.

I have always wanted to start listening to this genre properly. But, the first few pieces I heard were not really to my taste. I'm hoping you all can give me some good suggestions, so that I can restart my journey as an ICM listener. Thanks a lot!

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2024/11/03
04:15 UTC

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Indian Classical Scales: A Western Musician's Guide to Thaats & Raags

Hi folks, I'm a Hindustani-trained singer and musician familiar with Western music theory. Invariably when jamming with a western trained musician, I have to break down a Raag and help them orient to the patti and identify the key.

I took some time to create this mapping table of Hindustani Thaats and how they relate to the different Modes in Western music. Please correct me if I got anything wrong in this exercise, and share it with anyone you think might find this useful.

https://www.classicalweekly.org/p/understanding-indian-classical-scales

🙏🏽 R

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2024/11/02
13:04 UTC

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really random but i was wondering if anyone could help me figure out the notation to a song on the harmonium

hi! i've been playing the harmonium for most of my life, usually learning different shabads and raags for kirtan, but i recently was asked to try and learn a song, Tere Naina (My Name Is Khan), by a friend. i've seen a lot of covers of the song on youtube using a harmonium but it's hard to decipher the notations from videos, if anyone has advice i'd appreciate it!

2 Comments
2024/11/01
04:51 UTC

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Paulo Vinícius, Koushik Aithal and Shakthidhar Iyer - An Offering

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2024/11/01
02:35 UTC

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How to tell the difference between Jor and Jhala

My understanding is that Alap is an exploration of scales and harmony and then the performer begins to build a melody during the Jor. But how does it differ from Jhala? Is it simply a matter of speed / intensity?

5 Comments
2024/10/30
17:53 UTC

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