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Learn, share and listen to the classical music of the Indian subcontinent!
For all your Indian classical music needs.
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Here's a humble tribute to this unforgettable Thumri in Bhairavi. Accompanied on tabla by Amod Dandawate, Rahul Zingde; harmonium by Pranav Palande, Mihika Maharana.
Frustrations with learning Indian classical music
So when I was young I always wanted to learn indian classical music and I’ve been told that I’m a natural. I’ve also had some 2 gurus that I have 🧿🧿“saraswati”🧿🧿in my 🧿🧿gala🧿🧿. Which I didn’t quiet understand what it means but seems lile a compliment I guess.
My frustration is that I just recently got back into learning indian classical music after a long break at the age of 23. I have two classes every week for an hour over a whatsapp video call with my teacher. And I’ve been stuck on one raag which is Bhupali with the song “laaj bachao krishna murari” which is a song dedicated for Drauhpadi and her singing to krishna about saving herself from Dhriyodan who is trying to pull her clothing off her, so she sings to Lord krishna trying to save her “laaj”(self respect) I do the words in taal, but when it comes to the taan my teacher always criticizes me or makes me stop mid-way. and do it again. Sometimes she says I’m too fast or too slow and she makes me change the BPM on the Tanpura/SurTaal app. It makes me feel bad and like I don’t have “saraswati” in my gala. I’ve learned a few basic raagas but seem to be stuck on bhupali. I feel bad cuz I want to learn things, but I’m just stuck on this raag which is meant for little children. I have not seen one professional singer singing this song. I want to learn the cool stuff professionals do like alaap and aakar.
When I practice on the Surtaal app, I can hear that my voice matches with the tanpura sound but then when I did it in front of my teacher, it didn’t sound as great, because my harmonium changed the texture of my voice when I played it. I’m doing a Banaras gharana which is quiet different from other gharanas. Not sure if its an actual vocal gharana. But It just seems like I keep being stuck on basic things. But yea its a vent about my progress in indian classical music.
I have been listening to the album “Manohar” by Pandit Venkatesh Kumar Ji. I love it. Especially The fast tunes at the end of each Raaga.
One question I have is the name of the the Raaga, “Rag Kaushik Kanada”. Should it be “Kaushiki” instead of “Kaushik”
Sharing the link to the album here https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k2MXoziVnCPBznnlQvYhqwGTkGoeZQOkk&si=uGTsIJlID-Hw_-sd
I am keen to attend a festival on Indian Classical Music.
Is there some scheduled for the coming months ?
is it raag yaman or some other raag?
I am a carnatic student, still not reached the phase of manodharma, was wondering how is raag taught in hindustani music, because I have heard that from the beginning itself raag and its improv is taught. I wanted to learn manodharma on my own, so I want to know how raag is taught and after reaching what is next raag is started?
I do not come from any history or learnings in music, but I'm very much inclined to learn the Veena in my 20s, I'm open to any and all suggestions for what type to learn, what instrument, where, how long and sources I could look up for inspo.
Thanks!
Hello , I would like to start learning Hindustani classical music very basic from alankaar1 and continue with exploring music. Could you please suggest app which will explain and help learning .. Thank you
After looking through Google and Spotify there are many official good quality studio recordings of artists like Amjad Ali, Hariprasad, Shivkumar Sharma etc but when it comes to Vilayat Khan there are only these poor quality concert recordings. Where can I find good quality studio recordings by him ?
I have learned harmonium for some years and now I want to learn santoor but it's really difficult to find any centre in Delhi that provides classes for santoor. Please help me 🙏
Hello all!
If it’s a Carnatic concert, South Indians usually call it and advertise it as a Kacheri. (Like ‘TM Krishna’s Kacheri’, or ‘Kacheri by Sanjay Subrahmanian’.) What’s the word equivalent for Kacheri in the context of Hindustani tradition?
Thank you!
I've known Electric guitar to be widely used in the west, mostly hard metal genre. I am not a big fan of that kind of music which is loud, lot of noise almost feeling like a disturbance. However, it looks like it is a perfect instrument that can "spell" good gamakas which are like crown jewels and distinguishing characteristic of Indian music (both Carnatic and Hindustani).
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Hello friends, I'm back with another ROTW.
This time it's Hanumatodi, often shortened to just Todi, sometimes spelled as Thodi. It's not related to the Hindustani Todi, in fact the notes are the same as Bhairavi thaat.
It's the 8th melakarta ragam (7 notes), and is called Janatodi in the Dikshitar school.
Arohana: S R1 G2 M1 P D1 N2 S Avarohana: S N2 D1 P M1 G2 R1 S
It's a very melodically dense raga, making it a great test bed for improvisation. There are also numerous excellent compositions.
For varnams there's Era Napai, and Daani Samajendra.
Among the Trinity there's Ninne Namminanu, Kamalaambike, Koti Nadulu Dhanuskotilo, among many others.
I also like Sarasijanabha Murare.
By far my favourite composition is Thaye Yashoda by Oothukkaadu Venkata Kavi. Chembai, MMI, and Yesudas all have ni ce versions. The best version, and the best Todi exponent imo, is Madurai Somu.
In fact, I'm going to link a bunch of Todi by Madurai Somu, like this, this, and this.
Hope you enjoyed the ROTW, and feel free to comment your favourite performances!
Hello everyone,
I'm delving into the application of Indian Classical Music (ICM) in promoting health and well-being, especially from a spiritual angle. With the rise of AI tools, I’ve been able to compile a collection of 32 sources, including two books, numerous articles, and journal papers, specifically focused on Raaga Chikitsa and its effectiveness in addressing various health concerns. I’m excited to share with you a comprehensive list of ragas and their associated benefits, compiled from these resources. Hope you find it enriching.
P.S. If anyone has questions about which ragas to listen to for specific needs or would like some personalized recommendations, feel free to ask! I will ask the AI tool (Notebook LM) to generate some recs.
Not sure if I can post this here. I will be directing a short film, and was wondering if there are any folks here who want to collaborate. Essentially looking to connect with creative folks with great/niche taste - who can also compose a score or create a track for the film. If nothing else, can have a look at my script and give any opinion or references.
If anybody is interested, do dm (with anything you've made!). You can also email me: nimbuxpani@gmail.com
Any suggestions are welcome.
Hello! For context I'm 17F
I'm currently learning Hindustani vocals and I've been to a few classes. Obviously that means my voice is still shaky and cracks but nonetheless I want to continue learning.
When I was 14 I used to go for Carnatic vocal classes (1 year) until I had to stop due to throat health issues.
I was truly disheartened because I loved learning Carnatic music, not just the singing part but also theory and would spend hours scrolling through Wikipedia pages (not 100% reliable I know) about the history of indian classical music. Again, I don't have much knowledge but you can tell I loved it.
I only have access to Hindustani classes right now, and while I enjoy it, I am a little confused as to if I should figure out a way to learn Carnatic, as I'm South Indian (I don't know if this makes sense)
But yeah, do you think I should just learn Hindustani (I do love it as well) and maybe later on just learn Carnatic as well (like much later when I'm confident in what I'm doing right now)?
Also if you know any resources where I can learn about both styles please do let me know! Any books, Youtube channels, websites, send them my way! Thank you
I am trying to remake this song to sound more cohesive and fluid mostly for my own sanity and because I'm a complete noob I would like help in identifying the instruments in the background, I have the original vocal sample just need to know the instruments and if anyone could provide samples for the tabla and other instruments I could use that would be great. I'm just trying something new so I don't know much, so any advice is appreciated. (p.s I'm on mobile only and am using fl studio mobile to put the song together)
If there's a piece a ICM that should be preserved forever, then this is one of it. This is a man suffering from lung cancer at its worse, 60+ years of music behind his life, many conflicting family issues, and yet he goes on to sing like none of it concerns him!
Mallikarjun Mansur did this concert just three months before he left this world. 🙏
The first is this performance by Anoushka Shankar - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CnhcGpmH9Y The title says it's a piece called Pancham se Gara.
The other is a piece called I feel your presence by Ustad Amjad Ali Khan - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSCY0UAtvZ0 Apparently based on Raag Hansa Dhwani
I stumbled upon both these works unexpectedly in the past few months. However, I have zero knowledge about Indian classical music (other than the names of some of the legends of this field), so please recommend to me some Ragas or music similar to these two.
I have always wanted to start listening to this genre properly. But, the first few pieces I heard were not really to my taste. I'm hoping you all can give me some good suggestions, so that I can restart my journey as an ICM listener. Thanks a lot!
Hi folks, I'm a Hindustani-trained singer and musician familiar with Western music theory. Invariably when jamming with a western trained musician, I have to break down a Raag and help them orient to the patti and identify the key.
I took some time to create this mapping table of Hindustani Thaats and how they relate to the different Modes in Western music. Please correct me if I got anything wrong in this exercise, and share it with anyone you think might find this useful.
https://www.classicalweekly.org/p/understanding-indian-classical-scales
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hi! i've been playing the harmonium for most of my life, usually learning different shabads and raags for kirtan, but i recently was asked to try and learn a song, Tere Naina (My Name Is Khan), by a friend. i've seen a lot of covers of the song on youtube using a harmonium but it's hard to decipher the notations from videos, if anyone has advice i'd appreciate it!
My understanding is that Alap is an exploration of scales and harmony and then the performer begins to build a melody during the Jor. But how does it differ from Jhala? Is it simply a matter of speed / intensity?