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Gay marriage and definitions

I just thought of something having to do with the gay marriage debate, which really isn't a debate anymore. But hell, maybe it'll be interesting to someone. So, the main thing I heard in opposition to gay marriage was "I just don't want to change the definition of marriage." Am I right? Is that accurate? I don't want to misrepresent anyone, bigoted or not. But that's what I heard. Honestly it seems a bit of a copout. They don't want to say that they think a certain group of people should have less rights than another so they talk about definitions. So what then? We're supposed to be alright with the fact that it's really all about words and words are really important to them therefore, we don't take the rights of all people into account?

That sounds stupid to me. So I hope I'm not straw manning. But anyway, that's just how words work. Definitions change all the time. IOn fact, the MOMENT the gay marriage debate was in the public view, the definition changed. That's how words work. The dictionary is not a depository of definitions. They go around chasing the newer and mo0re accurate definitions. Which is good because, if we had a dictionary from Shakespeare's time, that wouldn't help much would it? Language is constantly in flux. It changes constantly. Try reading old English. Or was it Anglish back then? I think it depends on how for back you go. But there in lies the point. When people use a word differently, even if YOU don't use it like that, the definition expands to encompass it. It has to. We can't do words any other way. Therefore, the definition of marriage includes gay marriage. In fact, it included it for a long time. The idea that we'd want to not change a definition is just plain wrong. It's ludicrous. So that can't be a reason.

I think maybe it's because your pastor told you? And you're very close to obligated to agree with him or her. I mean, you don't HAVE to agree with your pastor but an educated guess tells me that most people who have one, do. And he believes it because Bible, God, Jesus and I don't know. I know the Bible is against it but so what? It's also against eating pork. The first of the 10 commandments is "I am the Lord thy God and thou shalt have no other gods before me." Okay so then the Bible is against other religions in a sense. At least in the sense that the Christian shouldn't worship their gods or presumedly to mess around with all that occultic stuff too. I know that Christians aren't fond of crystals and all that new age mumbo jumbo. That's fine for Christians but you can't outlaw Hinduism. Why can'y YOU just not get gay married? Isn't that the same? Wouldn't that be WAY more in line with how your Bible is suppose to integrate into American society? Unless you're a theocrat. And even then, who can say what parts to follow? Do you outlaw pork? Some Christians might say you should. A small number to be sure but at least SOME. Do you legalize slavery? Yes it is in there and it's not always indentured servitude. But that's not even the point. How would a Christian theocracy work? You've got thousands of denominations all of which believe SOME slight deviation.

It seems like you just don't want it. You don't like it. Well, that's okay. You don't HAVE to like it. It's your legally protected right to believe that it's a sin. But this is the law for everyone. The law in America, where we have religious freedom, CANNOT take one religious idea and give it a higher place than another. Some Christians think it's a sin to get divorced. Some think it's a sin to drink caffeine. Hell, according to some of the stricter Amish communities, it's a sin to be overjoyed. Should we make it illegal to look upon a woman with lust? How would we even do that?

I know I'm going on and on but I just cannot think of ANY rational reason that even a devout evangelical biblical literalist to believe gay marriage should be outlawed. Not sinful but outlawed. I think that if you believe that, you're simply wrong. You're wrong about words about law about religion about everything. There's just no legitimate stance on this. And if there is, please explain it to me. I've asked conservatives and they him and haw. I'll stop now. Again, I know this isn't a debate anymore but I was thinking about how definitions change today so what the hell right? Thanks if you actually read that.

22 Comments
2020/04/01
22:31 UTC

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The love is great, but the process seems so daunting. Help?!

Hi all. I’m 28 year old gay American that just got married to his Moldovan husband July 2019. I met him in Peace Corps and we got married in Denmark after my service. He’s currently working in the Liverpool & I’m working all over Africa. We see each other every 3-4 months, thankfully.

We’re saving for our process and will be starting it this summer. I found a lawyer and I’m praying she isn’t super expensive. Currently, I have about 11,000 usd saved. I’ve had this job since Aug 2019. I haven’t read the Visa stuff in awhile, but I believe that I need at least 20,000 for us. Or him and I combined. Him and I are doing this alone. I don’t have any family support which is fine, but it does make things harder should things go left.

My job contract is up in Aug 2021, but I am able to stay with the agency as long as I want. I don’t want to unless it’s remote in the states.I plan on leaving to enroll in a masters program in the states. Hopefully a fellowship and many scholarships. Otherwise, I’ll just get another job. I would like to time everything right, so he can be approved by the time I head to graduate school and we come back together. I don’t have a car or a home anymore, so I’ll need money for this stuff as well, but I plan on living in campus housing. Anyway, I’m scared about this whole process. I’m scared I won’t have enough for everything Ie. the process, the lawyer, money for the future. I’m just freaking out! This feels like a monkey in my back. I’m also scared he won’t get approval and we’ll be separated yet again. Does anyone have any tips, advice or suggestions?

Also, should things go wrong, is there somewhere in the world we can live without a huge process? I would love to move to England with him, but Brexit would be another difficult process for us again.

P.s. currently looking for a remote job, but it’s been rather difficult

1 Comment
2020/03/09
04:03 UTC

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It is not about gay marriage, lesbian marriage, or same sex marriage. It is about the fundamental right to marry the person you love.

0 Comments
2020/03/07
04:15 UTC

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Both of us from countries where it's illegal

Hi all.

Just wondering, me and my boyfriend are looking to make a future together, but both of us are from countries where same-sex marriage is illegal (i'm from Latvia, he is from China). We both live in the US right now, but under student visas.

The question is, how do couples like us get legally married and how does that impact citizenship and actually living in countries where it's legal?

For me as a Latvian, I have an EU passport, and even tough a lot of countries in the EU have legalized same-sex marriage, Latvia has not.

That being said, with an EU passport I can freely travel and work anywhere in Europe, but of course, I'm not a citizen of that country.

Could anyone recommend any resources or know anything about how these kinds of things work? Could we, for example, get married in Norway, even though we're not Norwegian citizens? I can legally reside in Norway, but I'm not a citizen and my boyfriend would need a visa, in that case how would that work? Would that kind of marriage also grant us some kind of more rights in Norway immigration wise, meaning, easier for my bf to acquire a EU passport? In a sense, that would make sense, since what's the point of getting married, if you can't live in a place where those rights are respected and taken into account, but then again, is that possible in the first place? If anyone knows anything about this, please share your knowledge and experience.

2 Comments
2019/07/29
20:42 UTC

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My SO have been together for almost 25 years and want to get married but wants to get married in a different city so it won't be in our local newspaper. We live in Michigan. Is this possible or do they notify the county you live in?

0 Comments
2019/07/23
12:06 UTC

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Name Change

I'm getting married in 3 weeks and am planning on taking my husband's last name. My parents are using the excuse that they don't want me to do it because they'll have to change all of their documents to reflect my new last name (such as their will and testament, and other legal papers).

Are they correct? If I can show them that they don't have to do all of this to earn their support, I would like to be able to.

Thank you!

2 Comments
2019/07/16
11:06 UTC

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Wedding song suggestions for two grooms?

2 Comments
2019/06/14
20:07 UTC

4

If you don't like gay marriage don't have one!

2 Comments
2019/06/10
05:42 UTC

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Family doesn’t approve gay marriage

I have family members that wouldn’t go to my wedding if I had one. They love me but wouldn’t go so I am hurt by that. Now I am getting older and I realized all those years on going to family events that I dreaded going. I realized I don’t have to go. For example, kids birthday parties.

I don’t have kids so why should I go to a two year birthday party. I am aware now that I don’t have to do anything that I don’t want too.

I felt that my own family help me realized that after the “gay marriage” subject came up.

Your thoughts?

3 Comments
2019/03/06
05:16 UTC

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Conflicted Doesn’t Cover It

I just need to get my head straight.

I’m a gay man. 35. 15 years into a relationship. My first relationship. We are married (gay), 10 years.

I love my husband. I love the thought of him, maybe the memory of our past.

We don’t really fight, but then again, we don’t really talk. We don’t talk about the meaningful stuff. You see, my husband has depression. If things get real he shuts down. So I chose (I acknowledge it’s my choice) to keep my feelings to myself.

We live separate lives despite living in the same house and working at the same company. He is a complete home body. I get out so I can breathe. Three years ago I told my husband that I couldn’t sit my life away on the couch. He was angry, we fought, but I forged ahead.

We don’t have sex anymore. Sure, I will blow him once a month if I bother him enough, but he doesn’t want to do anything back to me. Even though I still feel I can be intimate with him, I feel we’ve lost all sexual intimacy.

We get along very well. The thing is, we feel like roommates. We split the bills and go our separate ways. We don’t spend the evenings that I am home together. He’s in our room as I am upstairs.

I don’t mean to paint such a bleak picture, but more and more I feel like I can’t talk to him, and we are good friends, not in a committed romantic relationship.

To further confuse me, there is a new man at work. He’s made me feel things that I haven’t felt in years. In no way are we dating, fooling around, or anything. It’s purely been nagging thoughts that have built in my head. I find myself thinking about him in the evening, looking forward to going to work in the morning, and just simply happier. Hell, I don’t even know if the man is gay. (Although, I strongly suspect he is)

I’m not saying I want to break up my marriage for the chance to be with this guy. But, it has made me think about what is going on in my life. Should I stay or should I go? What can I do to make my life with my husband better?

My husband has been depressed our whole relationship. He has gotten progressively worse. He has not regularly seen a doctor because he doesn’t think it will help. I feel so guilty even for feeling like I do. I feel so selfish. So inconsiderate. I get love changes over time, but is this it? Is this what they mean?

3 Comments
2018/11/25
04:56 UTC

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My parents won't come to the wedding

My mother told me via text that she (they) can't support me in this marriage and cannot attend the wedding because of their religious convictions. I've never had a great relationship with my mother, and after a month and a half, I called my dad. He said that he loves me and my husband, and that if this makes me happy and feels right, it's what I should do. He said he'd do anything for us, and he won't let anyone talk bad about us. But he said that he cannot attend the wedding, because it goes against all he was raised to believe. He said he doesn't want me to be mad at them, that he respects the rules in my house and wants me to respect the rules of his. I'm uncertain about how I should feel.

TL;DR: I'm deeply confused about my parents refusal to attend my wedding.

3 Comments
2018/09/06
16:21 UTC

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I Cheated...Alot

I don't need everyone to attack me, I know what I did was wrong...I'm just confused. I am a gay male and I have been caught having extramarital relations multiple times and while my husband has been totally faithful to me he has forgiven me each time, staying mad for max two days before moving on like nothing has happened. We recently got tested for HIV and others STIs, we both came back clean. My husband then suggested that I get on PreP since I tend to have sex with other men. What does this mean? Is he essentially saying he doesn't care about the infidelity anymore? What would you make of it?

1 Comment
2018/06/27
16:44 UTC

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Mainstream wedding magazine with same-sex cover models (MM + FF)

0 Comments
2018/06/22
09:00 UTC

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Mainstream wedding magazine with same-sex cover models (MM + FF)

0 Comments
2018/06/21
16:04 UTC

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What are the legal implications of gay marriage?

  1. Are asset clauses identical to that of a heterosexual marriage?

  2. What happens if one or more party(ies) of the gay marriage are bisexual, and have children in wedlock? How does alimony work?

  3. Apart from the gender requirement differences, what else are the differences between homosexual and heterosexual marriages?

1 Comment
2018/01/24
10:54 UTC

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Legal issues same sex marriage

I have been experiencing some health issues and have been in the hospital. My wife and I asked a local church if they could help with legal expenses and they agreed. They were under the impression that we were just friends I suppose. Anyway, a nurse at the hospital let the leader of the church know that we are a same sex couple and they refused to help us after that. 1. Can we sue for a HIPAA violation for the nurse disclosing personal information? 2. Can a non for profit organization refuse help based on religious differences? If anyone can help me with this, I'd appreciate it.

3 Comments
2018/01/08
00:22 UTC

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Love story with happy end! Eric & Lavell are happy newlyweds now!

We are going to tell you a happy ending love story of our subscriber who asked us to give them a platform to showcase their true love. Here is their story of love! Our eyes first met in Atlanta, Ga., a day I will forever hold dear to my heart. My now-husband Eric is a vocalist and was competing for a well-known pageant, while I was a spectator supporting my sister who was competing as well. I stopped Eric, asked his name and vowed to get in contact with him that night. Sadly the conversation that night never happened but two days later we finally met again in person. The rest is history as we were clearly a match made in heaven. We dated long-distance for 1 year, which seemed like an eternity apart and so we moved in together shortly thereafter. We got married June 24, 2016 in Dania Beach accompanied by family and friends. It was a magical night. Congratulations, guys! Live long and happily! Wish everyone to love and be loved!!!

0 Comments
2018/01/05
00:07 UTC

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same sex marriage

Why can't people accept same-sex marriage or swinging dogs?

2 Comments
2018/01/04
12:52 UTC

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