If there were ever any Gargoyles novels would you prefer them to be totally in canon or allowed to do their own thing or just be adaptations? Seeing as how the dynamite comics have been doing well and Disney seems receptive to new Gargoyles m

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From not telling the rest of the clan to hide when the Vikings were coming, attacking the framer who would become "The Hunter" to betraying Macbeth which caused the deaths of all of her second clan. Demona always seems to make things worse and loves blaming the wrong people for her own fuck ups. Safe to say she needs a therapist.

My head canon is after he lost it, Katana tended the wound and when she was done they passionately made love.

Do you think Jonathan Frank should be a live action, David Xanotos I think it could work because imagine an older version getting scared with the fact that his health is failing him so he learns about the gargoyles legend and that’s why he put his plan in motion to get immortality. Instead of a man in his mid 20s to mid 30s it’s a man who’s knows his time is numbered. I think that would be pretty interesting.

Lex: No, please don't!

Writer: Greg Weisman

Artist: Pasquale Qualano

Editor: Nate Cosby

Logline:

GET READY FOR A NEW WORLD ORDER!

Demona's carefully calculated plan to gain control of the three New Keys to Power is almost complete - and the ultimate ability to rule over humans and Gargoyles alike is nearly within her grasp!

Share any thoughts on the issue. Within this post, unmarked spoilers for this and all prior issues are allowed.

Here In Manhattan Discussions:

• Chapter One: A Little Crazy

• Chapter Two: Idyll Or Nightmare

• Chapter Three: Miracle Child

• Chapter Four: Tale Old as Time

• Chapter Five: Render Unto Caesar

• Chapter Six: Underwater

• Chapter Seven: Everywhere

• Chapter Eight: Mayday

• Chapter Nine: Your Witness

• Chapter Ten: New Rules

• Chapter Eleven: Young At Heart

• Chapter Twelve: Cold Comfort

Gargoyles Quest Discussions

• Chapter One: Questions

• Chapter Two: Quo Vadis Cum Hoc?

• Chapter Three: Acquisitions

Dark Ages Discussions:

• Alliance Chapter One: The Reach

• Alliance Chapter Two: The Draw

• Alliance Chapter Three: The Oath

• Alliance Chapter Four: The Promise

• Alliance Chapter Five: The Dream

Special Issue Discussions:

• Halloween Special: Trick or Treat

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I mean, that's your leader's DAUGHTER. I know they're all not technically related, but it's still very weird to me. They're the definition of family. Gave me some real DCAU Batman and Batgirl vibes.

In the comics they are using helmets instead of hoods. I'm not much of a fan of the change with the hoods it was like anyone could be one of them which made them more intimidating. Besides the helmets feel off to me,

Title says it all, went back there after a long hiatus to 're-visit old friends' and to my horror and grief it was gone. Wayback Machine has failed. Does anyone know if there were any backups made of this god tier work of community based storyline continuation?

The creators say the third season is not canon, but I'm totally fine with it being canon. There really aren't any horrible episodes in the third season. Maybe none are as good as the ones in Seasons 1 and 2, but they aren't awful. I like the episode about Demona and Angela and the final episode where the clan saves the train and becomes heroes to the public. I'd much rather watch the final season of this show than the final seasons of most other shows.

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So does anyone have pictures of, or knows what Macbeth's jet bikes are called? I'm trying to find images of it or them for a possible project.

In my years moving casually in PR and Gargoyles fandoms, I have more than once encountered the opinion from various (though probably not the majority) of Gargoyles fans that Power Rangers was to blame for Greg Weisman being moved off of Gargoyles and the show being ultimately cancelled.

Whilst Greg Weisman has cited PR as a contributing factor to Gargoyles ultimate downfall, he has never, to my knowledge, held Power Rangers as a show or as a brand in contempt for that. However, as I said, I have seen more than a few Gargoyles fans do exactly that over the years.

Now, I am not going to sit here and pretend that the two shows are of equal quality. I am not trying to say that gun to my head, if I had to choose 1 of the shows to get cancelled and the other to continue I would have chosen PR to be discontinued.

However, I want to put some things into context and inevitably play a little defence for PR in the process.

For starters, if there is anyone to blame for what happened to the show in the 1990s it was in fact Disney themselves. Simply put, it was profoundly short sighted and foolish for anyone at Disney to consider Gargoyles potential competition for Power Rangers.

Regardless of the overall writing quality (or lack thereof) of Power Rangers, in the mid-1990s there was simply no brand on TV or on the toy shelves* that was able to compete with it, other than Ninja Turtles of course. Even the juggernauts that were X-Men the Animated Series and Batman the Animated Series were not doing Power Rangers ratings nor cracking Power Rangers merchandise sales. If longer running, historical brands like XTAS and BTAS weren’t threatening Power Rangers dominance, it was kind of insane to imagine a wholesale new brand was going to do similar business. In fact, the only new brand that DID eventually outperform Power Rangers was Pokemon, but even that came around when Power Rangers was already past its peak in popularity.

In 1994, Gargoyles had the misfortune of debuting not even when Power Rangers was building steam, but had already built steam. By the time ‘Awakening’ began airing Power Rangers had already accumulated 60+ episodes, had already begun its second season (which debuted during PRIME time, no less) and had already been THE megahit at toy stores the prior Christmas and was set to do the same the following Christmas (which it did). In fact, Power Rangers’ over all popularity hadn’t even peaked yet, as that wouldn’t happen until 1995 when the theatrical PR movie was released. Even after that, PR was still a very strong brand, gaining its best TV ratings in 1999! Basically Disney were pitting their new up and comer fighter against Muhammad Ali in his prime. It was setting Gargoyles up to fail.

Additionally, there is a big misunderstanding about the target demographics for both shows. Whilst they were both ‘kids’ shows, Gargoyles was skewing towards the older kids whilst PR was skewing younger. Gargoyles for example, was not primarily targeting 3-5 year olds, whilst that age group was 100% within Power Rangers’ target audience. And, unfortunate as it is, but younger kids are more accepting and less demanding than older ones. Simply put, Power Rangers could capture their target demo with less effort than Gargoyles could capture their own audience. And the same is true for the age groups that they both shows overlapped with.

Another sad but true fact? Most of the time, audiences prefer live action to animation, especially when it comes to action. Obviously there are exceptions, I count myself amongst them. However, one only needs to compare the box office of the classic Disney movies to their live action counterparts to see the difference, even adjusted for inflation. I even recall the Guinness book of records once broke down statistically what the criteria would be to make the most profitable movie possible and it specified that it needed to be live action, not animated.

The general American public unfortunately have historically held this idea that the closer to reality something is, the better it is. Live action>3D animation>2D animation>comics. I hate this mentality, I’d like to believe it is starting to shift, but it was very much entrenched circa the mid 1990s.

So, as well done as the action in Gargoyles tended to be, for the average child at home it couldn’t compare to the live action in camera martial arts the Power Rangers delivered every episode. Critique the martial arts and choreography as much as you like, but a child audience is unlikely to have spotted those glaring flaws.

On top of the martial arts Power Rangers featured other elements that the average child of the era was almost inevitably going to find appealing. Bright colours. Wacky monsters. Giants. Robots. Dinosaurs. Weapons. Costumes. Transformations. Even slapstick comedy. The show might as well have been engineered to be as absolutely appealing as possible to kids (mainly little boys) as anything could be. And that’s because it kind of was.

For those who do not know, Power Rangers was produced by taking the stock footage from a Japanese TV show called Super Sentai, dubbing over it and editing it together with original American filmed footage. Not only did this mean Power Rangers was fast and cheap to produce (much faster and cheaper than Gargoyles, TMNT, XTAS, BTAS, etc) but it also meant the show benefitted from over a decade of what you might call trail and error. See, whilst Power Rangers began in 1993, Super Sentai began airing in 1976 and has continued doing so practically every week since.

Like many American cartoons of the 80s onwards, the  business model for Super Sentai was for the show to both entertain the kids at home (generating ratings) but also to advertise merchandise. What we know as Mighty Morphin Power Rangers Season 1 is in fact adapted from the 16^(th) iteration of Super Sentai. In other words, Power Rangers was benefitting from over 15 years of ‘research’ into what would be the most appealing thing to put on TV to sell toys to kids. The proof in the pudding here is the fact that, whilst peaking in the 1990s, it was only very recently that Power Rangers as a brand was discontinued in the USA. It essentially made money for around 30 straight years.

By contrast Gargoyles was untested and was never intended to be a commercial from the ground up, nor was it clinically trying to be the single most appealing thing anything ever could be to kids at the time.

In short, Power Rangers may have contributed to Gargoyles (mercifully temporary) downfall in the 1990s, but the fault lies with Disney ever considering the latter competition for the former. Had Disney measured Gargoyles’ success against the success of almost any other brand and made proper allowances (obviously Batman merchandise was going to outsell Gargoyles, Batman was an established brand) the show would have fared much better. Regardless, however you personally might like or loathe Power Rangers unto itself, it should not be held in contempt for what happened to Gargoyles.

*Toy shelves are vital here as a lot of the funding a cartoon series receives is dependant upon the amount of merchandise it moves; or at least this is how it worked at the time. Young Justice was discontinued largely because its merchandise was aimed at the wrong demographic so it didn’t sell very well (the toys were also pretty lame to be honest). By contrast, Ninja Turtles had like 10 seasons in large part because the merchandise kept selling so well.

It's all a feedback loop. The cartoon sells the toys and other merchandise and they in turn help secure more funding for the cartoon which sells yet more merchandise. Power Rangers had the same business model despite not being a cartoon.

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As I’ve been rewatching the OG series and reconnecting with my childhood, I find myself noticing some wonderful anachronistic quirks of the time it was made, and I thought to myself:

“I hope they set the new show in the early 90’s again.”🫶

Bulky tube TV’s with antennas, brick-sized cell phones, no social media or cell phones with cameras—and most poignant of all; the Two Towers still standing tall in the New York skyline.

If shows like Stranger Things can make bank on nostalgia, I believe this could work too.

What do you all think? Any other anachronisms you noticed or want to see?

[ Artwork was found on Google, and I couldn’t trace ownership :c Whoever made it deserves credit, but it is in no way ‘official’ either. ]