/r/clozemaster

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Language learning through mass exposure to vocabulary in context. Clozemaster answers the question "what will I do after after Duolingo?" and is the ideal app for intermediate language learners looking to get fluent faster.

/r/clozemaster

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30% off sale

“For one week only, get a 30% discount on Clozemaster Pro, including the lifetime option! Available now through April 30, only for new Pro users and only via the website.”

https://www.clozemaster.com/pro

The code should be applied automatically, if not it’s “SPRINGSALE24”

0 Comments
2024/04/23
14:11 UTC

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I judt got the new "I Don't Know" button

I don't see myself using it. Does it have to be so close to the "Submit" button? I know I am going to hit it by mistake sometimes.

11 Comments
2024/04/23
08:37 UTC

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Cloze without translation

Random post I know, but it's helping me tremendously.

I found out I can actually restrict the full sentence translation when doing vocab study. I have some level of ADD where I won't even read the full sentence and just pick off a word that seems appropriate. This has made it where I won't actually learn the words.

I found in settings I can shut off the translation when I'm doing the sentence and turn it on ONLY if I can't figure out the sentence context. I'm a bit more advanced now (A2), BUT, I wanted to share this in the event someone else also has the same issue I have ha.

Good luck in your language learning studying everyone :) I'd love to know if this has helped anyone else or if anyone has pros/cons about this method.

7 Comments
2024/04/18
13:55 UTC

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Easter sale?

Has there been any history of past Easter sales or no?

2 Comments
2024/03/30
17:14 UTC

5

Can I add new voices to my phone (android) to improve the TTS?

I saw there was the option to choose voices stored on my phone in the app. I only have the default ones which are not that much better than the 'clozemaster audio'. Has anyone been able to add better (german) voices to their phone to improve the quality of the TTS?

There are plenty of ways to do this for computer but I'm looking for a method that works with the android app. If you anyone can recommend some good german voices to use, that would be a bonus.

1 Comment
2024/03/23
10:55 UTC

4

editing sentences

Just wanted to ask about editing sentences... if I add alternative answer and/or write a note below the sentence, is it for everyone, or am I the only one that sees it? I found a few mistakes here and there, so that's why I am asking))

2 Comments
2024/02/28
20:46 UTC

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Explanation not working/error

No matter what I do, I always get an error when clicking the explanation option on mobile.

It says: "There was an error stating the explanation generation - sorry about that! Please close this modal and try again, and let us know if you see this message again."

I'm not sure why it says the last message cuz from what I see, theres no clear way to report the error. I see it every single time. Usually apps have a "report error" option but this doesn't. What do I do?

4 Comments
2024/02/24
05:06 UTC

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Explanation not working/error

No matter what I do, I always get an error when clicking the explanation option on mobile.

It says: "There was an error stating the explanation generation - sorry about that! Please close this modal and try again, and let us know if you see this message again."

I'm not sure why it says the last message cuz from what I see, theres no clear way to report the error. I see it every single time. Usually apps have a "report error" option but this doesn't. What do I do?

0 Comments
2024/02/24
05:06 UTC

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Will mobile offline mode ever work again?

Lifetime pro member and regular user of this app, and it's still by far my favorite language learning software, but I find myself using it so much less these days given that the offline function has simply not existed on mobile for years. If I ever open or reopen the app while not having internet, I'm never able to access the dashboard and instead just receive an error message. Additionally, when I turn offline mode on and then reopen the app, it's reverted to the original online state. The offline mode used to be my main way of studying while traveling. I reached out to the devs several times over the past year to reach out about this issue and every time they had an encouraging response about a fix, but every update so far has failed to change the "Error: Network request failed" screen. I was ectastic to see on the last Google Play update that it specifically mentioned this issue and acknowledged not being able to connect to offline when connection is lost. I eagerly updated the app and got the exact same error message as before 😭. I even un-installed the app, reinstalled and re-downloaded my collections, but still nothing. I'm studying Swedish and Japanese on a Galaxy A42 5G if that matters.

4 Comments
2024/02/23
08:56 UTC

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4 million points! Another milestone in my Spanish journey...

4 Comments
2024/02/22
12:01 UTC

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Personal collections

Is it possible to see (and use) the sentences other users have added in their personal collections or are they always private? I think it would be great to be able to share and add them easily to your own dashboard, particularly in the smaller languages where the number of sentences is quite limited.

0 Comments
2024/02/21
17:00 UTC

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Can someone explain how the "Fluency Fast Track" works, exactly?

I've been using the Fluency Fast Track for one of the languages where they have the "new" one of 10k words. However, the details are a bit unclear. It says there is one sentence per word, but I have encountered the same word multiple times in different sentences. I'm not following exactly how it is designed. Are there multiple words per sentence, are these counted as separate sentences? I would appreciate some clarification.

2 Comments
2024/02/21
07:12 UTC

4

Traditional Chinese alternative characters annoyance

Why are all the sentences in traditional Chinese using 麽 instead of the much more common 麼? It means they can’t easily be typed with pinyin or Zhuyin input methods! I reckon it should be pretty easy to mass edit these or to add alternative answers for them!

0 Comments
2024/02/04
19:41 UTC

2

Autocomplete issue

When I am on manual input (hard) mode, an autocomplete (auto-fill) email pop-up appears every time the text input field gets focus. Is there any way to disable this?

0 Comments
2024/01/29
00:36 UTC

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Text-input mode is often impossible

I'm doing French and Russian. My Russian is much weaker than my French so it may be a skill issue, but often it seems like it's impossible to guess what the app is looking for -- there will be some sentence like "He [told] her what happened" and it seems pretty much impossible to guess if "told" is going to be говорить/поговорить/сказать or something else. In general it seems impossible to guess the right aspect. For French, there will often be an adjective that agrees with a "vous" and it's impossible to know if it wants masculine/feminine singular/plural.

Any tips to work around this? Or am I better off just sticking to multiple choice?

8 Comments
2024/01/28
22:02 UTC

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Does it really work?

I mean I have been doing this app for a while now but I have no idea if it works or not. It seems to me I am stuck and not growing

14 Comments
2024/01/26
02:25 UTC

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There isn’t a way to add sentences via Clozemaster app?!

1 Comment
2024/01/23
19:34 UTC

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Transcribe marking incorrectly when I’ve answered correctly.

Has anyone ran into a way to fix this? I painstakingly put in several sentences I had saved from language reactor.

I love transcribe/listening mode! But I’m getting damned tired of the same 10 sentences (I entered a few hundred) now it only reviews the same ones and they’re all marked incorrect.
Like there’s never progress made on these sentences.

Does anyone else have this problem?

1 Comment
2024/01/20
15:39 UTC

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Can't seem to add another language to learn

I'm trying out clozemaster and I can't seem to start another language to learn. Well I can add it by searching but it doesn't give me the option to start playing the fluency fast track. I'm using free version for now, on Android. Is it because we can only have one language if we're not a pro member? I haven't used up my daily 30 sentences yet also.

3 Comments
2024/01/10
09:21 UTC

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What should I expect?

Hello, I was wondering generally what to expect from clozemaster compared to Duolingo. If it is better how so and is it better for specific languages? Will I need to purchase anything or is it really completely free? Do the same problems that plague Duolingo also occur with this app? For reference the only other language I can speak well is Spanish but I can get along in Vietnamese and Sign Language. I have some interest in the following languages Russian, French, Arabic, Khmer, and Thai.

3 Comments
2024/01/08
23:44 UTC

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Spanish Most Common Words

Hola todos, I’m fairly new to Clozemaster, and I’d like some help. I’m a mid to high B1 or low B2 in Spanish (depending on different teacher evaluations). I’d say I’m a solid B1 with B2 comprehension and A2 conversation😅. I started with the 2000 most common word collection, and I found it too easy. Then I tried the 5000, which also seemed too easy, although I really liked analyzing the grammatical components of the sentences and doing some shadowing. Now I am trying the 50,000 most common words where I’ve encountered new words but also easy ones as well. Any suggestions where I should begin? I would like to get to a high B2 or C1 in a year or so. I recently started private lessons twice a week and a group class once a week to help with speaking. I’m listening to podcasts, reading books and articles on LingQ and watching Netflix with Language Reactor. Your ideas regarding using Clozemaster effectively for my needs are appreciated.

6 Comments
2024/01/05
20:24 UTC

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Flemish Voice?

I was wondering if there was any way to change the Dutch voice to Flemish?

1 Comment
2024/01/04
12:29 UTC

7

Voices have become laughable

Is there anyway to fix this? I checked in settings to use voices available. But some are so terrible and like seriously 1980’s robotic sounding.

15 Comments
2024/01/03
06:02 UTC

3

Cantonese “explain” button error

I’m learning Cantonese and I find the Explain feature really useful. However, I get an error message on about 70% of the sentences. Is this a problem throughout or is it worth me reporting the error for every sentence?

5 Comments
2024/01/02
22:57 UTC

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365 days of Clozemaster sprinting

As described in previous posts (1 2), I spent 2023 using Clozemaster to learn Japanese as intensively as possible with no prior knowledge of the language. I gave an update at 100 days, and this is my final planned update.

My Clozemaster profile: https://www.clozemaster.com/players/cstuartroe

Screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/jTO9PH8

What's happened since the last update?

As of the last update, I was still chugging at 60 new sentences per day, at which pace I was on track to cover all 20000 sentences by the end of November. However, even at the time I posted it the cracks were beginning to show in that plan. Not only was I usually needing to do upwards of 400 sentences per day and spending around 3 hours per day just to kep up with reviews, which was a bigger time commitment than I had originally planned on. The real kicker was that my reviews were full of sentences that I felt like I didn't even remember ever having seen before. I was literally just taking on new sentences at such a high rate that I couldn't adequately form memories of them all. I think that for the first couple of months I was able to keep up at a pace that was completely unsustainable in the long term because I wasn't trying to remember as many things or for as long, but as more and more sentences accumulated into my rotation that I hadn't actually learned, the problem started to compound very quickly.

It was actually a very emotionally difficult decision for me to decrease the learning rate. I didn't like the feeling of failing to uphold a commitment I'd made so explicitly and intentionally. But at the same time, it was getting extremely taxing to keep trying to squeeze more information than was really cognitively possible for me. What ultimately allowed me to accept stepping down my learning rate was framing it as not a decision, but just an acknowledgement of the fact that I wasn't learning 60 sentences a day, and no learning plan could avoid that reality.

Initially I stepped down to 40 new sentences per day, then took a break on new sentences for a couple weeks while I went on vacation in July, then down to 30, then 20, and for the last three months I've only been doing 10 new sentences per day. It's not that I think more than 10 new sentences per day is an unsustainable rate, but that I had accumulated so many sentences in my review rotation that I hadn't actually learned, that I've been gradually learning that backlog as well.

The other major shift that happened was around what I considered "learn" to mean. Initially, as long as I could sort of remember or piece together the meaning of something if I took a moment to think about it, I would consider it learned. This is good enough for reading, and good enough for getting multiple choice questions right on Clozemaster. However, I started doing listening practice via podcasts, CrunchyRoll and YouTube in April or May, and in August I started doing conversation practice with an Italki tutor once a week. These experiences started to make it abundantly clear that I was using too loose a criteria for considering a word learned if I ever wanted to be able to use Japanese in a way other than reading. It sounds obvious in retrospect, but to understand a word in speech, it needs to be familiar enough that you can make the association between sound and meaning in a second or less. I definitely found that the four times it takes to get a sentence "mastered" on Clozemaster was very often too few reviews, so I started manually editing the mastery level of sentences as they came up in review, including sometimes sending them all the way back to 0% mastered. Funnily enough, Clozemaster seems to track how many times a sentence has reached the "mastered" level, so that in my activity summary it says MASTERED: 13175 even though I only had 11731 sentences mastered at the end of the year. Of course, doing so only increased my review burden, but this was also part of why I was doing fewer and fewer new sentences as the year went on; I was trying to spend more and more time increasing my familiarity with the sentences I had already seen.

For most of the year, my total number of sentences played per day was about 250-300, which usually took about two hours.

What Japanese did I learn?

So, with my continually revised learning rate, I ended up landing on 12000 sentences playing by the end of the year instead of the planned 20000. How many words did this translate into? Using https://glenn-sun.github.io/japanese-vocab-test/ and some other less precise metrics like auditing my knowledge of JLPT vocab lists, I think I have about 8000 lexical items in my passive reading vocabulary now. Which is quite a lot! In my 100 days post I said I had learned 1500-2000 lexical items, but I think this was actually a slight underestimate because I was uncertain and wanted to be overly conservative; I think the actual number at the time was something in the neighborhood of 2500. Even with my rate of new sentences constantly decreasing, I think the size of my actual passive vocabulary as measured by such tests grew at a pretty steady clip of 20-25 words per day for the entire year.

Just gaining all that vocabulary in one year is an accomplishment to be proud of and evidence that Clozemaster was doing the primary job it was supposed to be doing, but obviously there are many other aspects to language learning. Other language skills were not neglected by any means, but definitely continue to lag behind due to the outsize amount of time and energy I was putting into Clozemaster. I have been using a variety of materials for listening practice, including JLPT listening practice questions on YouTube that are taken from past years' tests; I pass most N3 listening questions but struggle with the speaking pace and some vocabulary on the N2 questions and probably don't have a better than 50% success rate on those. The only speaking I've done is meeting with an Italki tutor for conversation practice once a week. This was super challenging and awkward at first, but since I was already decent at reading and listening by the time I started in August, I more or less acclimated to it after two or three sessions. I used to have long gaps where I'd be trying to remember a word or figure out how to express a more complicated thought, but now I'm usually able to go through the hour-long conversation pretty comfortably and only look up a word every 3-5 minutes.

For grammar, I relied on Wikipedia and other written sources for the basics (verb conjugation, politeness levels, postpositions & sentence structure) early on and feel that I know all of those really well. For the more advanced "grammar", which really just encompasses specific constructions (e.g., ~うちに, 仕様がない), I've pretty much just been acquiring them via exposure, and I probably use a fairly constrained set of constructions/grammar points when I speak, even if I can understand more of them.

I did the written portions of some JLPT practice tests and comfortably get 75% or more of N2 reading questions and most N2 grammar questions right. As mentioned, my listening level is probably about N3.

How did it feel?

Honestly, it was generally quite grueling.

I undertook this project out of frustration I've had in the past with not feeling good enough in other languages I've studied, and in particular the frustration of not having a large enough vocabulary. The thesis was that if I took a hardcore, vocabulary-centric approach for long enough, I could acquire the rest of my language skills much more informally and enjoyably. I think what I didn't plan on was that even after a year of acquiring vocabulary as quickly as possible, I still come across words or collocations that I find difficult to understand all the time in the course of reading normal Japanese.

Prior to this year, my most advanced foreign language was Dutch, in which I probably know about 4000 words. But I feel pretty comfortable with Dutch, and I would have thought that knowing 8000 words in a language would be enough to not really feel the pain of vocabulary gaps much anymore. Unfortunately, I think the fact that Japanese is way more different from English than Dutch is makes the vocabulary requirements even greater. It's been difficult for me to characterize why I found Japanese so much harder to study than European languages, as the grammar, pronunciation, and even writing system barriers haven't been a huge issue. Obviously, the large cognate vocabulary of Dutch was faster for me to acquire than the mostly completely dissimilar Japanese vocabulary, but even once I know words in Japanese it feels harder to correctly apply them. My hypothesis is that in languages with extensive historical contact, words and phrases just gradually start to translate more directly with each other, with concepts from one language mapping more neatly onto concepts from the other.

But, yeah. Day to day, the act of pulling up Clozemaster and pushing through all my reviews was pretty tough and even took a mild toll on my mood and mental health this year. My assessment of the issue is that there's just kind of a hard cap on how much utility you can get out of spaced repetition systems, or at least dramatically diminishing returns on time and effort. Even if I didn't have a job and a life and could spend as much time as I wanted on Clozemaster, I really don't think I could have picked up the pace of acquiring vocabulary much more. The feeling I had all year was that I was pushing some piece of my brain, the memorization piece, to its absolute maximum every single day. I don't know whether this counts as an invalidation of the philosophy I started the year with, but certainly this experience has made me think it's not possible to sustainably push the pace of vocabulary acquisition past the widely regarded upper limit of 25 words per day.

What would I do differently?

I do plan to continue to use Clozemaster and other spaced repetition systems. I actually am working on programming a simple spaced repetition system for myself that I'll use for Dutch and other languages I already have a strong foundation in, which I'll add cards to via sentence mining while reading and which addresses some of my minor gripes with Clozemaster, such as wanting more reviews before a sentence is considered "mastered."

But in future I want to avoid the feeling of hitting a cognitive wall by using SRSs more slowly. I think it's healthy to cap SRS usage at one hour per day. Probably, instead of trying to make an SRS my only focus for an extended period of time, I'll use an SRS to acquire vocabulary in a language at a more moderate pace for two or three years, while making time for other languages I'm already advanced in or other hobbies altogether, then doing a bunch of real-world reading/listening/speaking practice in that language once I hit upwards of 5000 words. Basically, a more slowed down version of what I planned to do this year, so that I can multitask with other interests. I also think Japanese will be the last new language I try to start learning for a while, so it'll mostly be building vocabulary in languages I already use to some extent.

For other people attempting similar feats, my advice would be simple and straightforward: Spending more time on SRSs has diminishing returns. They're great, but don't try to learn more than 20-25 words or do more than 60-90 minutes per day.

For Clozemaster specifically, I still have an overwhelmingly positive review of it as a learning tool. As far as SRSs go, I think it's hard to beat a huge bank of sentence cards because there's a ton of vocabulary there to learn and you get it in context. For someone who spend 80+% of my learning time in an SRS, my competence with real-world language usage is kinda lopsided but still pretty good, and I attribute this to the variety and naturalism of content on Clozemaster. If anything, the fact that I was unable to finish the planned 20000 sentences in a year makes me think even more highly of Clozemaster - I think the 20000-sentence fluency fast track would get you to the point in term of vocab where almost everything left to learn is pretty niche slang or technical vocabulary. My estimate is that the upper limit of a sustainable long-term pace is 30-40 new sentences per day.

What will I do now?

My partner and I are going to Japan for a two-week vacation in February, and even though I still feel like there's a ton of Japanese left to learn, I'm very confident I'll be able to use the language in ways that go beyond just getting around. I think being in a setting where I can actually use the language for fun and get better acquainted with the culture is going to be a huge payoff.

In the meantime, yesterday (Dec 31) was my last day of new sentences but I'm continuing to keep up with Clozemaster reviews, tapering off the pace a bit. I want to use the extra time to really focus on listening and reading practice before I go. I'll probably come up with some kind of short-term daily routine for Satori Reader.

After our trip to Japan, I'll probably fully stop studying Japanese for a while, even allowing my review backlog to pile up on Clozemaster 😱. I want to keep improving, but there are lots of other things I want to work on to and after a year of grinding I'm happy to give it a rest for a while.


TL;DR If anyone out there can finish an entire 20000-sentence fluency fast track in one year I'll be damn impressed/think they're borderline superhuman. Couldn't be me.

15 Comments
2024/01/02
03:35 UTC

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Bengali Most Common Collections

Hi all! I was just wondering if there's any timeline to when most common collections will be added for Bengali?

I know that compiling those lists takes time; I'm just curious if anyone's working on that. Also, who are the ones that make the official collections we see on clozemaster, ie clozemaster maintainers or tatoeba?

1 Comment
2023/12/30
18:28 UTC

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Is there autopay ? I don't like autopay, I read clozemaster won't recharge at the end of a pay period. thanks

3 Comments
2023/12/27
23:32 UTC

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Question about most common words?

are most common words really contain the frequency that it says? like for example in the most common 5000 i see lexemes & words like past tense of listen, go etc. what do you think about that? if i complete until 5000 most common, am i really going to know 5000 different words?

3 Comments
2023/12/23
18:58 UTC

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Where did the reaction meme gifs quiz feature go?

I used anki till 2021. There was this feature of gifs poppint up during quizzes like good iob! 10 poimts or something like that or do better next time...for wrong questioms or something. It was anki i am sure i remember i since there was this retro quiz vibe cloze still has...but recently im playinf and its nowhere to be seen Where can i find this feature(im playing common words) or do i have to download older versions of apk? Does anyone kmow when this change was made?

2 Comments
2023/12/23
15:28 UTC

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In german, the word that seems not to fit within the space provided is very often correct.

0 Comments
2023/12/19
19:22 UTC

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