I need to buy efficient laptop my region don’t sell new intel laptops and the ones they sell very expensive. I want to play rarely and the laptop well be used for web only and pdf. So i need efficient and snapdragon suitable, however i am uncertain if i open parsec in web will decode using h256. Any one has similar experience

Hi,

We knew that the S10 series had problems with emulation, but there are also problems with all cloud gaming services.

The S10 series uses a Mediatek processor. The Dimensity 9300+. Their drivers are completely different from the previous series, as is their video decoder.

Decoding time on a 9300+ video stream is between 15ms and 20ms. For comparison, an S9 does not exceed 5 ms, including very old qualcomm devices... This is unacceptable.

You'll encounter stuttering. No fast play, FPS or action game will be possible. You have to consider that this is the decoding latency of the tablet's video stream. 60 ms of network ping will not have the same impact than a decoding time of 15 ms.

As Microsoft points out in the following paragraph:

“Decode Measures how efficiently your device processes the incoming audio and video stream. Poor decoding can result in delayed video, audio desync, or choppy playback. Target range: Below 12ms. ”

Why ?

There's a major issue with our S10 tablets for this chipset. I also have a Xiaomi phone, with the same Mediatek chipset, and the same problem. All Mediatek CPUs are affected. It's not a question of raw power. Decoding a simple H264 stream at 60 fps doesn't require much power. It's the way the stream is decoded that's at issue.

With the Codec Info app, you'll see that your S10 has two different decoder versions for each video codec (AVC, HEVC and AV1).

A standard decoder: C2.mtk.avc.decoder and a low-latency one. C2.mtk.avc.decoder.lowlatency.

I've done a lot of logcat and the low latency decoder is never used.

This affects the followings services: Geforce now, Xbox Cloud, Luma. I was unable to test Boosteroid.

Applications such as Parsec / Moonlight / Artemis is selecting the correct low latency decoder and are not impacted.

How to check and reproduce the bug :

For Xcloud : Use the recommended browser (Chrome or Edge). Enable stats overlay : https://www.reddit.com/r/xcloud/comments/1gucr1p/psa_network_quality_indicator_and_stats_overlay/?share_id=C3WMwmQgWofNzfxO-eVUw&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

Check Decoding time.

For GFN : Use Chrome. Open a new tab : chrome://webrtc-internals .Open the video output and check decoding time.

Response from the various companies:

- Samsung: I sent two comments directly to the tablet. Each time, customer service indicated that a response would be provided within 15 days. This is not true, as the deadline has already passed.

The only reassuring thing is that they recently corrected the problem on Tizen-equipped TVs: https://www.reddit.com/r/xcloud/s/1vEbECd988

- Mediatek: It's very difficult to get in touch with mediatek. I persist but there is no tool to declare a bug with them.

- Xiaomi: For the moment, the worst. They told me to reboot my phone to solve the problem :). And since they don't answer anymore.

- Microsoft : Xcloud development teams are taking this mediatek issue very seriously. They are working with the Edge teams to resolve this issue. However, at this stage there are no ETAs.

- NVIDIA: I made several bug reports and contacted customer service. Impossible to get any feedback from the developers. This is all the more unacceptable in view of the premium subscription price and considering that tablets up to the S8 are recommended on the nvidia site:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce-now/system-reqs/#android

I'll edit the post accordingly if there is a new answer. In the meantime, I wouldn't recommend buying such an expensive tablet if you want to use it for a cloud gaming service. For those of you who already own an S10, I'm counting on your help to get in touch with Samsung.

Hey everyone,

I recently used the last stable version of Sunshine for game streaming, and after that, my second monitor completely stopped working. Windows 11 recognizes it, but it shows as inactive, and I can’t get it to turn back on.

I’ve tried everything I could think of: • Restarting my PC • Replugging the monitor and cables • Updating graphics drivers • Changing display settings • Trying different ports

Nothing seems to work. Has anyone else experienced this issue after using Sunshine? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

Hi all, I've been using Moonlight with Apollo for a while, and loving it. I use the virtual display capability of Apollo to exploit my 4K TV, and after following the usual advices for running apps/games on virtual displays everything seems fine. Until playnite came around: no matter what settings I try, it simply doesn't want to launch on the virtual display. What I've tried:

-Set Device Configuration as "Activate the display automatically and make it a primary display" under Advanced display device options -Setting the virtual display as primary on Windows settings -Setting "headless mode" on Apollo config -Setting "always use virtual display" for the Playnite app

The SudoVDA driver is installed and marked as ready. The Playnite executable is Playnite.FulldcreenApp.exe This seems strange to me, and probably related to some Playnite setting, since all the other applications run fine on the virtual display. Any advice?

EDIT: I can't believe I've found a solution now (an hour after posting this) after 3 days of troubleshooting: just set the display you want to use for Playnite in the Playnite Settings!

Woke up this morning to new drivers and Nvidia app with the dlss4 swapper feature. Excited! I only have gow ragnarok and Baldur's Gate 3 currently installed to test. Running with win11 24h2, current nightly builds of sunshine moonlight and MTT's Virtual display. on a 4080 13700K 48g ddr5

Hard to test when nvidia statistics overly is perma locked to N/A. I havn't gamed for a couple of months but I have used the overlay while streaming in the past. Thats how I remember it at least. I have set nvidia frametime sdk in win services to auto start and rebooted a couple of times.

Am I going crazy? Can anyone else confirm with Nvidia stat overlay and just a VDD if the statistics are getting streamed? When I head over to my PC and turn my actual monitor on I do get the relevant info there.

So it seems to be down to the VDD or the windows duplication API used in Sunshine... Would really appreciate anyone willing to test it for just 1 min to confirm.

Essentially I’m trying to figure out the best way to play my PC games on from the couch while minimizing latency / input lag and looking to take any suggestions. Currently my PC is in a small room besides my “living room” area where my couch is. The distance itself theoretically isnt that far but allowing for the cable to go around the wall etc and I’m probably looking at about a 25-30ft HDMI to be safe, I read recently that a standard HDMI cable that length might cause me some problems and I’d need some special type of HDMI cord about $40-50 bucks.

my initial plan involved taking an old laptop (i5-7700, gtx 1050) leaving it plugged up to my TV almost like a console and using Steam Link to stream games from my Gaming PC however since both my Gaming PC and the Laptop are both currently only on WiFi the experience was less than optimal & there was an unsatisfying input lag imo on the TV, as well as intermittent stutters due to what I believe is the WiFi.

I’ve been meaning to get myself a MoCa adapter for myself here in the basement to be able to get some ethernet/hard wiring capability for my PC for a while anyways. All in all to get the desirable MoCa setup for myself here in the basement I’m gonna be looking at around $100ish but with that I’d be able to hookup both my gaming PC and Laptop via ethernet to the same switch to hopefully solve the latency/input delay issues that I think are being caused by WiFi.

I guess my question is would the experience be good now using Steam Link and or possibly Moonlight/Sunshine with the MoCa setup with my PC and Laptop or will it be smoother using an extended 25 ft HDMI? Not necessarily on a budget but I’d also rather not spend extra money on another HDMI cord that may not work ideally as I want to. Looking to peoples thoughts also on if having the MoCa setup in general will be a better QoL update by providing the ability to hardwire my PC by my desk? and if overall it’d be more beneficial than NOT getting it and buying the special HDMI cord solely to connect directly from my gaming PC to the TV?

So on https://clouddeck.app

since we can play PC games on it, I was wondering if we are allowed to use stuff like the desktop mode and emulators like waydroid?

Recently decided to transition from steam link to Apollo and Artemis and have been enjoying streaming games to my s24 ultra. I also occasionally stream games (mostly emulators) to my NUC, which i have setup on my CRT TV. Typically, I use emulators I've manually added to my steam library, so i can stream them from steam big picture mode on the NUC. It works, but it is kind of a clunky experience. I was wondering if there is a way to set specific executables from my main pc to show up within the Artemis main screen, so instead of launching steam big picture or remoting into my desktop, I could directly launch, say for example, retroarch from the Artemis main page.

My guess is something like the playnite launcher might work, but ideally, I'd just like to set individual emulators or game shortcuts to show up on the Artemis screen. Any help would be appreciated!

Title. Bought and downloaded game today.

Ive been poking around and can't seem to get a straight answer and some of this stuff is above my head. I have a pc with a 7700k 32 gigs of ram and a 3070ti hooked to an older 4k hisense tv thats running sunshine. Then i have a tablet and a laptop with moonlight. Im hardwired from my pc to my laptop. For some reason i don't have virtual display adapter or dongle,, but im still able to turn off my display with no real issues per se. What is happening is everything will run fine smooth locked at 60 fps, then at random times , my game will start stuttering for like 10-20 seconds. If i do have my main host monitor on , the game itself is not doing it , just on the recieving end. I checked perf monitors and such and everything is reporting correctly with no packet loss or anything and non of my hardware is even getting maxed out. This behavior happens regardless if my primary monitor is off or on , or whatever I set moonlight to 1080 @ 60 at 20mb/s or 1440 at 100mb/s. Even turning all my setting down in game so my my pc is basically idling. Everything runs 100% smooth then the framerate goes to poop for 10-20 seconds. It might do it after a few mins or a half hour , its random. I experince this same behavior on my tablet on a different network with the same host pc. Since i can already stream with my monitor off withought dongles or a virtual driver. If i installed VDD , could that fix my jank? Also is disabling geforce experience a good idea, that is enabled on my host pc. Thanks in advance.

I'm looking to upgrade my host pc from an RTX 2060 to an Intel Arc B580.

Has anyone streaming from a host pc using an Intel Arc gpu? How has the experience been?

I have a 3080, and experience is good, but want to upgrade. Not happy with the 50xx-series of cards so was thinking about the 7900XTX...

My only experience with streaming on AMD was with a 5700XT and it was really bad... so much artifacting, stuttering and lag... not good at all, while the 3080 is rock solid.

Have the new AMD cards caught up in this regard, or is streaming still bad compared to nvidia?

It's not really a "cloud" PC if I'm taking it with me, amiright? Just wanted to share my setup. I take this PC with me when I go to my brother's house or when I go out of town back to my parents house.

I use the Pupis S1 to connect to it so that I have a full 3000Mbps direct connection without the need to be wired to any router, because it's basically a router itself; I don't even need an internet connection.

The device I use depends on what I feel like at the time: RP5 for quick play sessions. OnePlus Open for 120hz and full gamepad controls. Laptop for mouse and keyboard. Latency with m+kb using the Pupis is surprisingly good. GPD Win Max 2 - eh not so much, I included it just because.

I'm streaming moonlight HDR 90fps from my RTX 4080 host to my steam deck. I'm playing a somewhat heavy game and it's causing the encoding to slow down and drops frames. Changing the encode settings from P1 to P6 has helped a lot but it still drops a few frames. Is HDR this demanding even when stream at 800p?

Hey fellow Cloudy Gamers,

I've recently installed the latest Virtual Display Driver fromItsMikeTheTech's GitHubusing the Virtual.Display.Driver-v24.12.24-setup-x64.exe file.

Everything is working great except for HDR. I've enabled HDR10+ on the systray companion app, but HDR in Display settings is still greyed out. This is the only thing missing in my setup.(Unless HDR works but just happens to be greyed out in the display settings, so I need someone to confirm this)

So far, I'm enjoying 2K 120fps streaming, and I would love to have HDR working as well.

Has anyone here gotten HDR to work with this driver? Any tips or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

Hello,

I am searching for an Virtual Machine which i can use for gaming. The Plan is to let the VM run on the Background of the PC and if i want to play somewhere else i can connect with the VM and play.

For this i need a VM who is optimized for gaming especially with low latency or input lag in 4K.

Is there any Virtual machine out there who fits my need?

Thank you very much

I'm currently looking into a tablet for my streaming setup, and using it with something like the Memo S3 controller with it. For those of you with a similar setup, do you think that size of tablet is too much?

Edit: Thanks for everyone's feedback, decided to go with an 8.4" tablet!

Everyone says that A3 cloud gaming is an unlimited time cloud gaming app but when I played on it, I was disappointed. Not only does it say that free playing times are from 00:00 to 18:00, but it doesn't even let me play the game, it asks me to pay 0.09¥, which is basically false advertisement at this point, and people tell me other apps, but they don't even let you play let alone unlimited time, so my question is, are there any unlimited time cloud gaming apps?

I have confirmed that my host shows up on all of my smartphones and Apple TV, but for whatever reason it refuses to show up on the Xbox

When I was using Sunshine it would show up just fine but I wanted to start using Apollo mostly for the Intra Refresh feature to alleviate the graphical issues on the Xbox client

My other Host PC running Sunshine (that one hasn’t been switched to Apollo yet) shows up fine and I’d like to switch that PC to Apollo as well but I think I’ll refrain until I’ve solved this issue on my main PC first

I am currently don't know what to choose as my first paid cloud gaming experiance. I was thinking about GFN and boosteroid. The only thing that makes me compare this two because i want to play helldivers 2 but i am also don't like that 100 hour limit per month. So my question is should i choose boosteroid or GFN?

How would we go about getting the proper drivers for the linux vm?

Duo got updated recently to fix the sandbox issue but he said you'd have tk format to fix it. I relied on the fact that I could upgrade form an older version tk a newer one by upgrading with the github version form an older patreon version as this was allowed and intended if I format and reinstall 1.4.9 I'll face the same issue and won't be able tk upgrade. Any solutions?

I have tried GPU Paravirtualization using Hyper-V before. Using my Radeon Pro WX9100 as the shared GPU, It worked great, but only for single player games.

Online Multi-Player games like Fortnite, LoL, and most others all have Anti-Cheat software that will not let you run the game in a Virtual Machine.

I have tried searching around for solutions to let multiple users game from the same PC. Most of the posts I have found are 2-4yrs old and don't provide any solid guides or indications that it will even work with multi player games.

Has there been any updates in this area?

Hello everyone, newbie here! I recently discovered remote gaming after getting my Steam Deck, and I have a question. Is the Redmi Pad Pro a good device for remote play?

My planned setup is:

PC: Sunshine

Redmi Tablet: Moonlight (because its within my budget and has 120hz)

I already own a Steam Deck, but its screen size is ideal only for games like yakuza and baltro. I’d like to play The Witcher 3 on a larger screen with my new setup. Any advice or thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

Have a couple questions-

1. do i need to pair my nvidia shield pro with sunshine each time I startup my pc and launch moonlight? Or does it stay paired?

2. my moonlight is only displaying the steam app. Anyway I can display other apps that exist on my pc? Ie ubisoft, ea app, Xbox game app, battle net, etc

I've done it once and can launch steam. Just worried about each time I gotta pair . I know I have to have my pc on but it could get annoying to constantly pair moonlight with sunshine.

Thanks.

While tinkering with different devices I have, I noticed something really interesting: while most of the time they're totally fine, but in some scenarios like shaking the mouse on Start menu or shaking the mouse on my profile page in Steam Big Picture, SOME DEVICES (mostly SnapDragon 8Gen3 devices) will have strange slow down happening but SOME OTHERS(8Elite) don't. Even streaming the same virtual screen to different devices simntinuously they don't behave the same. My mouse has a polling rate of 2000hz, but using low polling rate mouse doesn't seem trigger this problem.

But sometimes, virtual displays started by certain device does not have the problem at all, even streamed to those devices that had slow down problems. I soon discovered that DPI config for these devices are different, and after further testing I find when DPI set to 200% and above, there's no slow down happening in any cases.

I'm on an Intel + Nvidia combo, but please note I don't have micro stutter issues, just weird slow down on these two places I mentioned. Most micro stutter issues are reported from AMD + Nvidia combo, IDK if this discovery would also help in these problems as well.

Please report back if you noticed any difference! 🙏

My buddy recently got an ROG Ally X and is trying to talk me into getting one. I'm roughly aware of people using sunshine and similar apps to just stream their PC or cloud games directly with a cell phone or tablet as a dummy terminal along with some kind of controller.

I'm just curious if the capabilities or use-case is similar for these? If I was to spend ~$1k on a handheld gaming solution, would it be a good bang for my buck to just buy a cheap tablet+controller and set up a local wifi streaming setup using one of these apps, or just get an rog ally or steam deck or similar?

I get it if you don't feel like explaining it to me, I'd be more than happy to read some pre-written write up or guide or something instead if someone wanted to point me to one?