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The place for all things Eastern Roman and Byzantine.

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Welcome to /r/Byzantium -the subreddit for all things Late Roman and Byzantine. Join your fellow Romaioi, in discussing all aspects of Byzantine history, politics, literature, science, warfare, theology, and anything else that pertains to this incredibly rich but wrongfully overlooked period of history.

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  • We encourage the use of accurate primary and secondary sources.

  • For more Byzantine history visit our esteemed fellow Romaioi at /r/eastrome. O STAVROS NIKA!

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“Time in its irresistible and ceaseless flow carries along on its flood all created things, and drowns them in the depths of obscurity, no matter if they be quite unworthy of mention, or most noteworthy and important, and thus, as the tragedian says: 'he brings from the darkness all things to the birth, and thus all things born are enveloped in the night.'

But the tale of history forms a mighty defense against the stream of time, and to some extent checks its irresistible flow, and, of all things done in it, as much as history has taken over, it secures and binds these things together, and does not allow them to slip away into the abyss of oblivion."

  • Anna Komnene, Princess of Byzantium
    (AD 1083 – AD 1153)

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Was Leo III of Arab origin?

I’m reading up on Leo III and see that he was born in the Umayyad Caliphate, known as “the Syrian”, fluent in Arabic, and described as being Saracen (Arab) minded (Wikipedia sources).

I couldn’t find any definitive explanation of his origin, so I was wondering if anyone here had any sources that do. Thanks

8 Comments
2025/02/01
10:06 UTC

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What's the story with Leo II and the Basilisk?

The 470s were certainly strange in the Eastern Roman Empire. A foreign Isaurian on the throne, and two child emperors between his reigns. But what's the story about Leo II, Zeno's son, not dying but being hidden by his mother and then sent to church, and that Basilisk might be that boy? The more references to this story I found, the more confused I became.

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2025/02/01
09:29 UTC

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Can a Byzantine enjoyer appreciate Norman Italy ?

This may sound like a stupid question but after all the invasions by the Normans,is it even possible to like them?

23 Comments
2025/02/01
05:54 UTC

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illustrated book about constantinople

Wanted a book that went on detail about the city and the citizens, showing architecture, daily life etc, with original illustrations, is there any such book?

2 Comments
2025/02/01
01:39 UTC

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Question on bulgarian identity post Basil II

I often wonder why the romans didn't or couldn't (re)integrate the bulgarians.

When the old romans claimed Greece, Gaul, Spain etc the inhabitants began to see themselves as Romans pretty fast (I think). Even post Arab conquest Egypt and N Africa deromanised to a new cultural identity relatively quickly.

Has there been any scholarship on the inability to homogenise/absorb groups of people like they used to do?

(If the facts in the question are wrong, Id be happy to hear that too)

21 Comments
2025/01/31
13:46 UTC

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Mary of Alania and Alexios Komnenos

Alexios Komnenos was probably the lover of Mary of Alania, daughter of the King of Georgia. But in 1081 Alexios when he became emperor decided to marry Irene Ducaeana to ally himself with the Ducas family. Could he have married Mary instead?

12 Comments
2025/01/31
06:36 UTC

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What is your opinion on Byzantine inspired rulers like Roger ii of Sicily?

Him and basil ii ar my favorite monarchs.

22 Comments
2025/01/31
04:02 UTC

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Book recommendation: Nikephoros II Phokas, 912–969: The White Death of the Saracens, by Ilkka Syvänne

Another promising book by Pen And Sword.

This one isn't available yet, and will come out in May of this year, naturally being the most recently and up-to-date dedicated biography of one of the most legendary generals and emperors of the medieval Roman Empire.

Emperor Nikephoros II Phokas: TheWhite Death of the Saracens is the first ever English-language biography of the man who broke the stranglehold of Islam over Byzantine Rome so that by the year 968 his forces could invade the Muslim lands virtually unopposed. This was the result of his military reforms and remarkable gifts as a military commander. The text provides thorough analysis of how he reformed military equipment, tactics and strategy to achieve this. The ambushes, battles and military campaigns are discussed in unprecedented detail. Special attention is also paid to the influence of the ascetic Christian lifestyle of Nikephoros on the morale of the armed forces.

In spite of his religiosity, Nikephoros was a military man through and through, and the civilian population of the Empire were constantly reminded of this. Soldiers were billeted in Constantinople and showered with favours and Nikephoros even pressured the Church to declare soldiers who died in combat as martyrs. Ilkka Syvänne meticulously explores the relationship between the Church and armed forces in the emperor’s policies. Of course Nikephoros had his human weaknesses which led to his untimely assassination. Why and how this happened is also analysed in detail. The assassination of Nikephoros deprived the Byzantine Romans of their ‘Bearer of Victory’, but his military reforms and campaigns had paved the way for Byzantine Rome to reach its apogee under his immediate successors.

The book is available on pre-order for almost 50 dollars, for those interested in purchasing it.

4 Comments
2025/01/31
01:38 UTC

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What's your view on an Andronikos II

I see his early reign as a train wreck of choices that hurt the Empire. But can you really blame him for not foreseeing the loss of Anatolia or his grandson Andronikos III rebellion. I believe most of his choices were forced upon him.

24 Comments
2025/01/30
11:22 UTC

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Are there contemporary sources on Harald Hardrada and his time in Constantinople?

I have to write a paper about him and want to focus on the places he visited, but I haven’t found many sources, so help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

4 Comments
2025/01/30
11:02 UTC

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Book recommendation: Emperor Leo III the Isaurian, by Peter Crawford

Disclaimer: I haven't read the book, but I have read Crawford's biography of emperor Zeno, and it was quite interesting. This book is also the only dedicated biography I can find of Leo III. It's also quite new, and was published last December. You can buy it online for about 38 dollars or you can download it from some free-sharing sites.

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2025/01/30
00:06 UTC

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Byzantine hymn used in PATRIARKH debut album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79T3DUgYCMY&ab_channel=NapalmRecords

After all the Batushka drama, the newly named band Patriarkh released their new album called Prorok Ilija. I just found it interesting how they used the Byzantine hymn "Εξομολογείσθε τω Κυρίω, Αγιορείτικο".

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2025/01/29
22:08 UTC

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How the Vandalic/Gothic Wars are similar to WW2

WW2 involves a Germanic war machine that has taken over and occupying Western Europe, but then the allies storm the beaches of Normandy and slowly defeat them. At the end the Allies occupy part of Europe and the Soviet Union occupies more so the East of Europe. The Soviet Union then has their ideology (economic social) of communism to spread and and "iron curtain" is created seperating east and west.

The Vandalic/Gothic wars involve a Germanic war machine (visagoths, ostrogoths, vandals) taking over Western Europe and occupying these countries. The allys (Byzantium) then storm the beaches of North Africa and take back Carthage etc. pushing the Vandals (Germanic people) out. They then take back Italy and part of Spain from the Germans, however the Franks control Gaul which the Byzantines decide not to take. An "iron curtain" is created seperating Northern Europe (eventually east and west) from the South of Europe. The Franks now have their ideology of feudalism (yes feudalism is an econimic and social ideology) to spread. A schism between the churches (catholic/orthodox) is basically the iron curtain.

Italy being divided in the centuries to come could be similar to how Germany was divided between the allies after WW2. The Frankis being the Soviet Union in this case, taking more satellite states into its control (Ireland, Britain, Spain, Austria etc.), (yes they spread their ideology of feudalism to Britain, Ireland and Spain via invasion).

4 Comments
2025/01/29
18:26 UTC

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Paliologan reconquest

Do you think that whithout the Serbians, and Ottomans the Paliologi could restore the empire to the state it was under the Komnenio.

11 Comments
2025/01/29
15:08 UTC

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Was 1204 the end of the Roman Empire

I was just thinking about how different the Empire after 1204 was and it brought up a interesting topic on how Roman these people after the recapture really were.

57 Comments
2025/01/28
23:15 UTC

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Romanos IV Diogenes needs to be blamed a lot more for the Mantzikert debacle

I see a lot of people of people praising Romanos calling him underated etc.On the other hand I believe he should get criticised a lot more for his blunders during the campaign that preceded Mantzikert.Some examples:

  • "Believing that Alp Arslan was nowhere near Manzikert, he decided to divide his army.Romanos himself advanced with the main body of the army on Manzikert, which he soon recaptured. At this point his advance guard met the Seljuk army, which was rapidly approaching Manzikert. Romanos ordered the forces attacking Akhlat to rejoin the army, but their portion of the army unexpectedly came across another large Turkish army, so Romanos' troops retreated toward Mesopotamia.Already understrength, Romanos' army was further weakened when his Uzes mercenaries deserted to the Turks". Dividing the army without proper scouting ahead was a tactical mistake that could have been avoided had Romanos followed the countless military manuals that existed.
  • "Arslan had no desire to take on the Byzantine army, so he proposed a peace treaty with favourable terms for Romanos".Another serious mistake.He should have taken the generous peace Alp Arslan offered him.
  • He haphazardly went to battle,instead of being cautious and follow the example of the generals at Kapetron,in which they defeated the Seljuk army.
  • Also Romanos army faced a serious discipling problem.He should have resolved that before marching to campaign.
42 Comments
2025/01/28
15:51 UTC

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(Follow up question to my previous post).If turkey authorized a dig underneath fatih mosque,what would you expect to find?

Perhaps any bodies?

6 Comments
2025/01/28
04:22 UTC

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Would the Turkish government approve a dig underneath the Fatih mosque to try to excavate the Church of the Holy Apostles?

27 Comments
2025/01/28
04:14 UTC

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Could Byzantium regain parts of Asia without the First Crusade?

Imagine First Crusade never happening. Could Byzantium claw back its hold on Asia Minor without the Turks being trashed by the passing crusaders?

18 Comments
2025/01/27
12:59 UTC

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Do you think the Roman state ended in 1204? Why or why not?

Question as above.

Cheers in advance for your response.

42 Comments
2025/01/27
11:43 UTC

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