Not sure if this is the right area for this, but my wife homeschools(cool the red flags she is a college educated elementary/early childhood tracher). The homeschool crowd seems heavily dominated by a lot of misnformed crowds. I won't go into left or right for this post. I will focus on the misinformation.

One of the families is heavily against even basic medication. Their child contracted Lymes disease. This disease is common where I live and entirely a nonissue with treatment of antibiotics. The family instead is using homeopathics. I have explained to my wife multiple times that these whoowhoo treatments can be benign for things like cold and flu, but in this case it is actually dangerous.

What can you do? This child is needlessly suffering and may become paralyzed or die from an easily treatable illness.

Joined an antivax group a while back to witness the madness & just came across this. Typically it’s just moms asking stupid questions about their plague rats but this is new for me. Yikes.

My understanding is that some (not all) people who are anti-vaccination object on the basis of maintaining bodily autonomy from government intervention. I'm wondering if that group overlaps with people who are pro-abortion, also on the basis of bodily autonomy. In other words, would someone who might say, "I'm anti-vaccination because I don't want the government dictating what I should do with my body" also say "I'm pro-abortion because I don't want the government dictating what I should do with my body."

One of the top antivax funders for years has been Dr. Mercola who sells some of "health" products. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2019/10/15/fdc01078-c29c-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html

I understand the motives of people like this.

I struggle to understand the antivaxxers who have a much smaller or no financial motive? Like why would a doctor give up a practice to lie about vaccines online just to sell a book that only makes what she would have by remaining a practicing physician. It doesn't make sense.

This latter type seems to convince people with limited knowledge on the subject and thus reduce herd immunity. It's frustrating as so many acquaintances get pulled in.

I’m a student who suddenly got into a debate about vaccines and my opponent says that I’m dumb for going the anti-vaccine route.

Edit. I believe that most of you didn’t get my point. NO WAY IN HELL AM I AN ANTI-VAXXER. the mofo doctor who put down the curriculum mandated a debate or a “makeshift trail” about antivax parents who their 11yo got whooping cough because of it. I got assigned with defending them and my opponent is a dumb colleague. The only reason i came to reddit was hoping that I somehow somewhere found an antivax community to have some grounds at least next sunday.

Question for y’all.

My small dog has been irritable because of a leg injury and my unvaxxed 14 month old came running at him and got bit on the forehead. Seemingly very minor and I’m not 100% sure it has broken the skin. Dog is vaccinated and receives dental care. No bleeding but a little swollen knot and maybe a hole?We are going to be cleaning the wound. Telehealth doc says we may need to get him tetanus shot and immunoglobulin iv therapy? I don’t really know much about this tetanus risk. What would y’all do?

Hey.

So I don't really know where to post this, so I'm doing it here. This post got deleted from r/DebateVaccines two times already now, both times without any explanation or notification. I even messaged the mods - no answer.

I hope this sub won't delete the post as well, because I'm genuinely curious about the topic of vaccine shedding.

So yeah, here it is. I'm looking forward to you guys' opinions.

I'm a pro-vaxxer and biology student (3rd semester).

I have no doubts about the effectiveness of covid vaccines, although I have to admit that the way politicians handled the topic during the pandemic was problematic to say the least. Absolute claims like "If you don't get vaxxed, you'll definitely get covid" and vice versa, are unscientific and harmful to society.

After we got that out of the way, here is what I want to know from antivaxxers/vaccine-sceptics:

We all know the term "vaccine shedding". People who use it, imply, that it is somehow possible to "shed" the spike protein after its synthesis got initiated by the RNA blueprint in covid vaccines. In other words: Vaccinated people can somehow shed the spike-protein to other people.

Now, here's my problem: How is this supposed to work?

I think we can all agree on how the mechanism of mRNA vaccines works:

The vaccine contains a RNA blueprint encapsulated in nanolipids. After vaccination, the RNA enters your cell's cytosol, where it then connects to a ribosome. This ribosome then reads the genetic information from the RNA strain and initiates the proteinbiosynthesis of the isolated spike-protein, which is normally found on the surface of SC2s viral body. SC2 uses those proteins to hijack host cells with ACE2 surface receptors.

Now, because the spike-protein has no relevant functionality without the rest of the viral structure and because it's already located inside of the cell after being synthesized, there is no reason to assume any relevant complications may arise after vaccination.

There is also no reason to assume that it's somehow possible for the spike-protein to infect other people. This would require the protein to somehow leave your cells and get transmitted to another person.

And even if that would happen: What damage could the spike-protein cause without the rest of the viral structure? It would enter your cells by hijacking the ACE2 surface receptors - fine. And then? It would immeadiatly get recognized and neutralized by your immune system, just like after vaccination.

So yeah, I would appreciate some scientific input regarding this topic. I'm not making this post in bad faith. It's always possible to miss new scientific data.

Im not sure if this sub is satire or not but i really have to know do you antivaxxers avoid vaccines bc you believe in traditional medicine or is it to avoid autism? The traditional medicine one is kinda iffy, nature is cruel and if you want to prioritize your survival why put urself at risk of diseases we are way past? And those trying to avoid autism do you genuinely believe that vaccines cause autism? Im really looking for an insightful debate, it genuinely makes no sense to me and im looking to help educate people on what autism is bc all the evidence that "proves" autism is caused by vaccines is vague and entirely backwards and i hate to know that thousands of kids are dying every year from diseases we have already cured all to avoid a communication and sensory disorder. Feel free to cite any data you have i genuinely wanna know every piece of evidence there is proving autism causes vaccines because its hard to wrap my head around

Hi,

I am completely (but ignorantly) pro-vaccine. I have no medical knowledge and trust my children’s doctors, so I have never questioned vaccines before.

I learned earlier this summer that a new friend of mine (I don’t have many friends) doesn’t vaccinate. She seems so down to earth, and is the first good friend I have made in a decade. She has sent me a few things and echos what I constantly hear “do the research and pick what’s best for your family”. I also live in a pretty conservative area and have seen recently that the majority of people in mom groups on various social platforms are strongly antivax. Like 9/10 moms. They have lots of links, and very scary info. Not sure if it is because I have looked at these links or what not but when I google vaccine research, particularly Covid vaccine research, most articles I read lean antivax unless government funded.

I know vaccines have saved so many people. I know I strongly believe they are safe and effective but I have hardly any evidence to back up my opinion.

I’m not asking for you to do my research for me, just for help. So for those of you that have done your research where did you start? How did you know who to trust?

I don’t want to be the type of person that is close minded to their opinion when presented with new information but how on earth can I know what is real!?? Please help.

Sad to say it’s the first time I’ve ever had to come to this sub. My brother thinks he knows it all. My step mom is a nurse and she’s actually backing him up.

He’s refusing any and all vaccines. Fucking help, what do I do or say?

I'm not anti-vax, but I know that one of the side effects of the mRNA vaccine for covid is precisely the increase in heart infections such as myocarditis and pericarditis.

I didn't want to debate whether this is harmful or not, whether or not it's worth taking the vaccine for this reason, etc.

I wanted to know if these chances are increased chronically, or if they last for a short time, in the sense that: if I took two Pfizer in 2022, do I still have an increased risk of contracting these diseases here in 2024?

Hi, I may need advice to handle the situation in right now, I'd prefer not to share too much of my personal life online but the story is that I've been dating this girl for about 1.5 years now and we like eachother but haven't talked much about politics or opinions on general events too much. Recently she's been watching of videos on why corona is not real and she's really gotten into it to the point she now claims it was intentional outbreak caused by the illimunati and the elite rich and that the covid vaccins are also deathly made by them, all in order to control world population, make money and kill people they wanted killed. The got deeply into this after her uncle died last year to a stroke a day after getting the pfizer vaccine. The few times we talked about this I kinda just scrubbed it off as a phase she's going through and hoped for her to see more truth after some time.

But yesterday she got sick and called off from work and I conviced her to buy a corona-test because all her symptons matched corona. Turns out she tested positive. I tell her to get vacced again because she's only been vacinated once but she thinks it will kill her and is now extremely angery with me because she thinks I'm suggesting her to kill herself. Todqy she's been feeling very sick and I'm begging her to do some proper research but shes saying she is doing research and is now sending me videos and screenshots claiming to be proof that corona is a hoax etc..

She is now telling me that if I truely love her and want to stay with her ( wich I do ) I need to watch these videos and do research on this: http://www.hclabs.nl/55544/

And need to look into the " rockefeller " document and that it claims to be that family responsible for creating corona in 2010.

I'm really not interested in watching and reading hours long of weird websites and conspiratory-theories wich she is very dissapointed now for.

What could I tell her or show her to resolve this situation?

I saw some people talking about vaccines causing autism again. And as someone who was born with autism, I have to ask.

What do anti vaxxers think happens to the millions of people who use vaccines and don't have autism?

Does anyone know? Cause I don't see the logic on why they they'd think it gives people autism (even though autism is something people are born with), but then just ignore all the people out there who don't have autism and use vaccines?

We have a immune system you know, we're made to lice in the wilderness filled with all kinds of diseases (ignore the absurdly high infant mortality rate and countless undocumented plagues). We don't need those government interventions to keep us "healthy", WE CAN deal with them ourselves!

Been debating with a family member and they said this would change their minds.

Do you know of any?

https://youtu.be/8BIcAZxFfrc?si=0Hh3D27ljlYpP74l

Just checking this is what you don’t want to put inside of you? acetaldehyde, ethyl acetate, 1-butanal, ethanol, 2-methylbutanal, 3-methylbutanal, ethyl propionate, ethyl 2-methylpropionate, ethyl butyrate, ethyl 2-methyl butyrate, hexanal, 1-butanol, 3-methylbutyl acetate, 2-methylbutyl acetate, 1-propyl butyrate, ethyl pentanoate, amyl acetate, 2-methyl-1-butanol, trans-2-hexenal, ethyl hexanoate, hexanol.

So me and my partner were having a talk on the way home from work and he talked about how he went to the doctors every year and got his yearly shots. He asked me when i got mine and I was like "were supposed to be getting yearly shots?". he was flabbergasted thought i was joking and asked when the last time i went to a doctor was and i told him it had been like 5 years (2019) and my last vaccine was the covid vaccine. Were both 17 and he urged me to talk to my parents about going to the doctors and getting my shots since he said they were no joke. I talked to my mother and all she said was that I didnt need the vaccines since they had mercury and that "good food will keep me healthy". Shes a woman whos obsessed with the facebook health gurus who try and sell you bunches of vitamins that "you need". Anyways, my question is if im screwed. My mother defiently would not take me to the doctor to get my shots and i feel like the only thing i can do is wait for my 18th birthday which is only a couple of months away. So is that my best bet currently or is there something else i could do?

Couple of my partners family are anti vax. One of them isn't vaccinating their kids. They claim they've done their "research". And the results they find are so horrible. Like what Research are they talking about lol It's so tempting to be like send me your sources. Anyone else go through the same BS?

"There is a strong link between autism and vaccines. No one likes to admit that, but the research is strong."

Then I provided links to the research.

Fascist fools.

Sacrifice your kids on the altar of Big Pharma. You can figure how how to support all the autistic kids in the future.