Noticed how governments are scaring themselves silly and attempting to pretend they will provide a support system to would-be parents, now that so many aren't having children? It's pretty much the only time you'll ever see them try to provide for normal people.

Let's say you were on the fence. In my case, I'm referring to adopting a child, but let's not pretend that most people aren't still natalists. When you're not bothered either way whether you have them, the power returns to you:

• Is employment precarious? Guess I won't be having children until that changes then
• Is food and housing inflation out of control? Guess I won't be having children
• etc.

Otherwise they would be very upset with the existence of plants and microorganisms.

AN/EX are against life that "can" suffer and feel pain, but not all of life, right?

I mean, if the universe had only plants and microorganisms that couldn't suffer or feel pain, would you be upset about it?

Which is why, I think AN/EX will be able to accept advanced lifeforms that can't suffer or feel pain, if it's possible, right?

Like..........cybernetic transcended lifeforms?

Like nobody cares, people are busy surviving until they happen to be in fuck up state of action and next thing is a child kicking the hell out of a crying mother's womb until the shit happens.

He sat in silence, staring at the rain hitting the window , I didn’t ask to be here, he said quietly, to himself. “And yet, here I am, carrying pain I never agreed to, fighting battles I never chose, and searching for meaning in a world that never gave me a choice.

his parents called it love when they brought him into existence, but he wondered—if love is so selfless, why gamble with someone else’s life? why create a person only to watch them bear the crushing weight of survival, of heartbreak, of endless expectations?

he is not angry , he is just tired. tired of pretending the unasked burden of existence is a gift. tired of being told to be grateful for life ...

antinatalism is not about hate it’s about compassion and yet some people do not understand what does it mean , it is recognizing that existence is a gamble no one consents to, and the stakes are far too high for someone else to make that choice for you , kindest act is simply choosing not to create another soul to carry this weight

The epicurean view that death isn’t bad for the one who dies is, while not debunkable, false imo. death is bad because the self is annihilated and it often comes when we want to keep living. But life honestly isn’t that bad for me. I mean, it’s ok. I can enjoy myself pretty often.

My parents definitely should not have had kids, but here I am, in my 30s still dealing with the trauma they blessed me with.

I empathize with people who don't feel the urge to procreate, have predominantly a responsive libido. For women who aren't interested in sex much. Pressured to fit into the right boxes or something is inherently wrong with you. Even for men, if you don't like sex that much or require a emotional connection and have only responsive desire, you are seen as less manly. It is a weird world.

Someone commented this underneath a pic of someone who's recently given birth. I just cannot deal with this kind of people.

My parents wanted me to exist and that's on them. Frankly, why do people expect us to feel lucky that our parents gave us food and shelter? They still forced us into existence and made us suffer with external factors they can't or just won't fight against. They literary had selfish reasons to have children and, yet, we are the problem.

It's like they live on a different planet. None of them have ANY plans to save their children's future.

The planet is going to shake us up like ANTS. Why aren't they trying to improve things? They deny climate change, they deny the pollution, and they make no efforts to save their environment. "Clean energy is expensive." Well, it's better than seeing your grandchildren starving to death or getting blown up, no???

How SELFISH do you have to be to not give a fuck about your children's future on this planet, they're not just going to dissappear after you play with them for a few years. they don't think about anything. Oh my goddd

"It'S tHeiR chOice" yeah that's the fucking problem, it's always about them, me me me me me me who gives a fuck about the planet? the ecosystems, the inevitable chaos. As long as I get to have kids who cares about anything else, EVERYTHING WILL BE OKAY ❤️🌈✨️ GOD WILL SAVE US ALLLLLLL YOU GUYS

We use the term "existence" in anthropomorphic terms when communicating with others. For instance, when we say "a non-existent baby," we are really referring to the hypothetical arrangement of atoms that might occur if two individuals were to engage in unprotected sex.

Every atom that constitutes my body has always been there in time and space. The atoms in my arm, my intestines, my hair—every one of them—will persist even after what we anthropomorphically call "death." Death, like life, is simply a human interpretation of atomic rearrangement.

Even now, I am not composed of the same atoms as I was yesterday. Since then, I’ve shed hair, cut my nails, excreted waste, and so on. Our material composition, and the arrangement of those materials, is in a constant state of flux.

Through human language, we assign arbitrary names to these atomic shifts. When we alter the arrangement of the atoms in our hair, we call it shaving. When we rearrange the atoms in our intestines, we call it excretion. When the arrangement of atoms in our brain changes, we call it learning, forgetting, or death—depending on the nature of the change.

The atoms in your facial tissue are constantly changing—they die, dehydrate, burn due to heat, or even rupture. As a result, your facial appearance is perpetually evolving. Yet, you are not classified as "dead" simply because your face looks older than it did 20 years ago or because you now have a scar.

However, if a vein inside your skull bursts, that is when others in your species categorize you as "dead" and officially label you as such. This distinction is purely a linguistic and cultural construct, reflecting the arbitrary criteria we use to define life and death based on specific physical changes.

This logic applies to the "unborn child" as well. The atoms that might eventually form a child currently exist scattered across the soil, in animal waste, perhaps even on the moon, carried here by micro-asteroids. If you choose not to procreate, all you are doing is halting a biochemical chain reaction—a DNA molecule directing other molecules to behave and assemble in ways that result in what we label as a human body: a structure with organs and limbs capable of perceiving sensory stimuli and interpreting those signals as pain.

When we say "a non-existent baby," we are referring to an atomic arrangement that has not yet occurred—not the absence of actual matter. Non-existence, in the context of an unborn baby, simply means that the atoms in this universe have not yet come together in a specific permutation to form the body of an additional human being.

True non-existence is impossible. For something to even be spoken about, it must exist in some form. Even the fantastical deities humans imagine are, in reality, electrical signals in the brain—literal synapses and neurons firing.

When we talk about "a non-existent baby," we are not describing the lack of material, because such a lack is an impossibility. Instead, we are referring to a particular configuration of matter in the universe that has never taken shape.

Antinatalism is an absolute.

I don’t know if it’s just me, but I at times feel….out of (place kind of) here. Like I’m invited to the party but I’m stuck on the wall. And it’s not because I’m not a believer(?) but I keep coming back to how some people are really zealous about it. I mean to each their own I don’t care either way tbh , but it just seems odd to me sometimes. Or maybe my raging nihilism is the issue and I just think it’s weird ✨because ✨ I don’t or rather ✨can’t ✨ care? Idk don’t take this to heart my seizure meds make sleep nonexistent mostly for me and this is the product of only a cumulative amount of 6 hrs of sleep and a really busy week.

I’m new to the term, and I have total respect for the ideology whether my beliefs fully fit into it or not. I just want to be sure I have the complete picture as not to misrepresent myself or the antinatalist movement.

For my part, I am 1000% childfree and do not believe there are any non-selfish reasons to procreate. I personally don’t align with the understanding that to live is to suffer (not that that’s an incorrect way to feel, just not my own perspective.) But I think until ALL children can be guaranteed a loving, stable environment, it is simply unethical to continue bringing more lives into this world. Basically an “adopt, don’t shop” mentality, but for people. Which may sound crass, but especially as a fervent dog-lover, I say that with the utmost respect to human children.

I think that vulnerable beings like dogs and children that aren’t capable of fending for themselves deserve to be cared for, and in the same way that I can’t support people spending $8k on boutique breeding when shelters are literally overflowing by the thousands, I also can’t offer genuine happiness or excitement to people announcing pregnancies when children are sleeping overnight in CPS offices because there is a national shortage of safe foster homes.

So I honestly don’t know if that fits the definition of antinatalist or not.. Totally fine if I’m not one, just trying to find spaces to connect with like-minded people 🙂

I see my sister and my cousins and my friends, all with multiple kids and they all complain about “the state of the world” and the “future” for their children. And they genuinely seem like they care about their kids.

Umm… Just not enough to prevent all of this for them, apparently.

Im AN and Childfree, so I look at my kitties and I’m like “it’s cool, Mylo and Maggie, we’re gunna be just fine! Now who wants some catnip and TREAtS whilst momma relaxes with a book and a glass of wine?”

The negative connotation around being a “crazy cat lady” is a big psy op/propaganda that this fucked up world conjured to ensure the machine pumps out more slaves for its own gain.

They made it seem so sad and pathetic to enjoy a simple, calm, cosy life with your cats and not add to the suffering.

What’s crazy is, the entire time where I’ve been a so called “crazy cat lady” is actually the only time I’ve felt genuine peace and contentment in my life.

I look forward to everyday because I’m greeted with kisses and purrs from my cats and I can drink my coffee in peace as I decide what I wanna do with the day.

But what makes it sooo much better is that, when I die, that will be it.

I won’t have any kids suffering as a result of my actions for decades to come. This thought alone makes sleeping at night so much better.

So yeah, crazy cat ladies of Reddit, keep on being yourselves and don’t fall for the gimmick they’re tryna push on us.

No babies for me! Feeling proud that I ended the cycle of procreation. I also am so happy I got it done before the new president takes over office.

AMA about the procedure!

Suffering may influence someone to be antinatalist, but it's not the direct cause.

Just look at this. The numbers are shocking. Did you know 7.3 million children under 5 died this year?

https://www.worldometers.info/

Millions of people suffer from all sorts of things, but that still won't stop people from having kids. It's like humanity as a whole enjoys pain and enjoys creating more pain.

Although one could say nature made most people dumb so that we can die faster, who knows maybe natural selection is a real thing. But then again, the amount of idiots I talk to on a daily basis has me doubting everything.

Logic doesn't work with people, emotions doesn't work with them either. So how can we fix anything? How do you fix psychopaths with a low IQ and EQ.

The central idea of evolution is this: a species doesn’t adapt to survive - rather, it survives because its random mutations happened to be advantageous. Species that mutate in a way that doesn’t offer an advantage for survival die out. The rest continue on.

We’re not “special”, we’re just what’s left over.

Point being that everything in us, both on a metabolic and physiological level, revolves around keeping the species going. That’s why we happened to end up being the only species of Sapiens left, despite being neither as intelligent or as strong as some other species seem to have been.

So we end up with a species that spreads to every corner of the planet and has absolutely no instinct for finding balance. We evolved to use up a space and move on. It’s the fastest way to get the most calories in the shortest amount of time and helped us continue on despite drought, fire, or flood.

And the fossil record has shown the effects: entire ecosystems destroyed by primitive man. Before there was electricity we burned Australia’s forests to make hunting easier, and hunted the wooly mammoth to extinction purely because it was convenient. In the modern era we’re still eradicating 0.1% of all species on the planet every year. That’s a lot. Even just 1 a year is a lot.

We can’t help ourselves. Even the most “enlightened” of us survive in this world on the backs of others who thrive via domination and suffering of others.

So this leaves two options:

1. We dramatically decrease our ability to have kids. No movement or philosophy will do it; we need to physically make kids more rare in order for our species to make its constant trample of everything it beholds sustainable.

2. We eventually eat each other and choke to death on the ashes we leave behind.

There are some who feel escaping the planet is the best way to go, but I’ve gotta tell ya: if I was an alien species observing Earth, seeing how humans propagate and destroy everything they touch, I’d make damn sure they stayed isolated.

Humans running amok in this galaxy would certainly extinguish the stars.

This is the Lorenz wealth curve. The longer that tail representing vast numbers of impoverished people, the higher the wealth of the richest people on Earth. Antinatalism and childfreedom is the best way to resist the oligarchs! Be prepared they are already putting a target on us!

That’s it

To the cult of Abrahamic natalists, Seasons Greetings from your friends the Gnostic antinatalists at the Paper Street Soap Company!

Hi Everyone,

For the past year, I've been working on a documentary about antinatalism and thought you might be interested. I interviewed antinatalists in the UK and across the US, with a focus on the personal toll of holding the belief and what it means to speak about it publicly. 

The film also explores how the movement has spread and found new followers, and the ways it cross over with issues including climate change, reproductive rights, mental health and assisted suicide.

If you're interested, you can watch it below.

https://youtu.be/tnjC4GCHvA8

Jack

what the title says